Civic Sadness

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Wolfe2x7
...which are all slow and/or odd, unpopular cars/versions of cars, then ~Sp33~ can wish for whatever car he wants, especially since the car he wants is much more common than all of the cars I just mentioned.
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LOL.. so true, thanks dude.
 
Ive tried (and almost succesfully) turned this into a civic/general honda thread. I figure thats much more amusing. BTW im over the whole missing out on muh 4door civic. The pulsar that you can buy in the early ninetys second hand lot is dam close. So i just put the camera on the ground view and imagine im driving muh civic XD.
 
yeahs. I can see why theyre in the game, but i wouldnt have them high on my priority list to put on the GT4 car archive.
 
if cars made for only daily driving dont do well racing, how come the mini cooper, vw beetle and other such cars have done so well?

i do have specs for the sedans. the weight of the usdm models ranged from 2039lbs to nearly 2300lbs. i dont know if they came with any engine better then the sohc zc over seas though. the ef5 had awd. what else do you want to know?
 
~Sp33~
i wouldnt have them high on my priority list to put on the GT4 car archive.
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TachiTJRS
Guys, are we still on this topic about not having sedans in GT4? *slaps forehead* Cmon, get over it already...grow up....just enjoy the game as it is. Hopefully the next installment will include the sedans and many other cars that fans like.

Now for the topic of the sedans and wings. Yes, it may be true that putting a wing may make it handle like a sedan in the game. But the point is that the weight distribution is dractically different. In fact, the reasons Japanese FF derived touring cars are sedans are because of the longer wheelbase (therefore more stable with slicks and rear camber) and the weight distrbution that makes it less twitchy and unflickable than a hatch. Yes, it is more difficult to get a longer, heavier sedan through a twisty track than a hot hatch, but that is a catagory nontheless.
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Fairplay on the point about stability ect. but I feel that twitchy feeling is what helps the car change directions in the twisties (ok scary at fisrt but with a little practice can be mastered).But what I cant really understand is the need for high speed stability in a FF as thats not what such cars are designed for.
The thing that really bugs me about the civic (and I do love the car) is the power in the lower revs.From standstill how long do is take to get out of first?
I know this is one of the gripes about FF's and it will never be sorted cause if there is more low end power weelspin is a problem. Try taking the traction control off the Mugen Motol Civic and you'll understand.I know its great with TC but lets face it how many FF's come with TC?
But all-in-all a great car, I love taking the Type-R stock around the ring.

Please correct me if i'm wrong.
 
TribalTone
Fairplay on the point about stability ect. but I feel that twitchy feeling is what helps the car change directions in the twisties (ok scary at fisrt but with a little practice can be mastered).But what I cant really understand is the need for high speed stability in a FF as thats not what such cars are designed for.
The thing that really bugs me about the civic (and I do love the car) is the power in the lower revs.From standstill how long do is take to get out of first?
I know this is one of the gripes about FF's and it will never be sorted cause if there is more low end power weelspin is a problem. Try taking the traction control off the Mugen Motol Civic and you'll understand.I know its great with TC but lets face it how many FF's come with TC?
But all-in-all a great car, I love taking the Type-R stock around the ring.

Please correct me if i'm wrong.
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Sedans are much better for racing. Better stable understeer than twitchy oversteer for consistent lap times. The problem with Civics and low revs is real bad. If you don't do a wheelspinning launch from a standing start, I reckon 0-60 on a B16 or B18 Civic is something like 11++ seconds. The problem is compounded in GT because you're not allowed to "slip" the clutch once the car is moving.

A lot of new FF's come with TCS. The Mazda6 and most of the Volvo's come to mind. But for sport compacts... can't think of any either. :p
 
What I don't understand is why in the Used Car Lot 1 they have Honda Civic SiR-IIs from '91-'95 and all of them are exactly the same. Exact same looks, exact same specs, why? Why did we need 5 different versions of the same car? Even the colors appear to be exactly the same. I'm not a Civic fan but I do wish that they would have included a '96-'98 Civic sedan rather than only hatches.
 
niky
A lot of new FF's come with TCS. The Mazda6 and most of the Volvo's come to mind. But for sport compacts... can't think of any either. :p
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Yeah only the top end market seems to have TCS, really though I can't seem to justify spending large amounts of money on a top-end FF for say 16k when a 16k FR will be better (generaly) in racing terms, but for everyday use a Civic is exellent.
 
Duke
Hey! You learned how to spell it! Congratulations! Your mother and I are very proud.
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Um, duke?.. Since when have you ever acted like that?.. Thats usually something that Famine would say.
 
I've always been like that! Go read my "Common Sense Rules For Posting" on the Rumble Strip, written several years ago. I was like that even before I joined the staff.
 
~Sp33~
I was REALY dissapointed when i realised there is no sedan of any civic varient in the whole of GT4!!!.. i was like 👎 .. i couldnt believe this, especially due to its popularity, im a huge honda fan and got all teary over this ;_;.

Another thing that ive noticed is that when you open up the Driving park menu there are many Honda Civic RS's lined up in the background. Now this is a sedan, but can we access them?.. this is so stupid if you cant, its as if PD is teasing us somehow, with their little mind games.

Is there any other dissapointed fans out there? Is their other models that you loved and were dropped in the making of the new GT?
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I Totally agree I also as a big fan of honda,acura and really stupid that they put stupid car like the Nike car instead of yeah more civics or basicly more japanese cars... I'm With You All Over The Line ...
 
Sparxxx
I Totally agree I also as a big fan of honda,acura and really stupid that they put stupid car like the Nike car instead of yeah more civics or basicly more japanese cars... I'm With You All Over The Line ...
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no need for that kind of sarcastic shyte here... basically, the original post was to the point of "How could they not put the damn car in the game but still have its picture used in the menus?", not blah blah BLAH dumbass americans, HONDAH forever... get with the program, man. Sheesh... it's Honda-haters more than anything keeping this thread alive... :yuck:
 
Maybe they planned for the sedans but took them out.
Btw are they in the NTSC version? Understand if they're not in the PAL vers as they are more popular in the States.
 
hatchs are the way to go. light, better, better looking too. who the hell wants to drive a 4 door civic around? not me...but ill take a 4 door JDM integra type r.
 
your a huge block head. 4 doors are better then hatchs. they are more stable, hardly weigh more then a hatch some even weigh less then a hatch and they can make just as much power. i have no idea why you would want a hatch over a sedan. as to the integra, i couldnt care less about the dc integra. its ugly. i'd rather own a da.
 
nismounlmtd
hatchs are the way to go. light, better, better looking too. who the hell wants to drive a 4 door civic around? not me...but ill take a 4 door JDM integra type r.
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Looks are subjective, if you cant see why other people like sedans, stay out of the kitchen ie: thread.
 
I would just like to bring attention to Honda, who has now officially anounced that there will be a successor to the current NSX. they also hinted at being a v10. this is official news retrieved from Honda spokespeople themselves and printed in the september issue of Wheels magazine.

".. since the buzz surrounding the 2007 Nissan Skyline GT-R, honda has been prompted to fight fire with fire."

"The cylinder count for the new car, due in 2008/2009 is a complez issue. Honda boss Takeo Fukui talked about an F1 link with the v10, but with the F1 rules set to see a switch to V8's from 2006, its not immediately clear how his will mesh up with the new engine proposed for the new NSX."

This new made disco dance like it twas 1975. I hope they keep the v10, but who knows with all these formula one troubles, seeing this is Hondas heritage, its goin gto be a hard decision.

~Sp33~
 
The hatchback ( im talking about the EK) has less length behind the front wheels resulting in less of a dragging effect whilst taking a corner, this also improves grip on the rear tires, because of less lateral wieght.

The sedan also had the 'family car' status, which is another reason they opted for the hatch. They could make the type R cheaper as well if they started with the cheaper hatchback model.
 
~Sp33~
The hatchback ( im talking about the EK) has less length behind the front wheels resulting in less of a dragging effect whilst taking a corner, this also improves grip on the rear tires, because of less lateral wieght.

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Also the sedan is more areodynamic, therefore has less rear downforce on high speed corners or is it more downforce I don't remember? Enlighten me please. :dunce:
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A hatchback is inherently more aerodynamic, because there is no complicated path for the air to travel over the car. A sedan has less usable downforce from a wing than a hatchback, that's why racing wings are so high up. On HBs, they can just be stuck to the roof.
 
niky
A hatchback is inherently more aerodynamic, because there is no complicated path for the air to travel over the car.
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Actually, that's not really true. One of the problems of hatchbacks is a large, flat, near-vertical rear area. This creates a large area of low pressure behind the car, in effect creating vacuum which slows the car down. A 3-box design, on the other hand, has a smoother path for the air to travel and requires less of a spoiler to break up the low-pressure area.
 

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