Classic and Muscle Cars

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Milefile, I love how you talk so condescending in every thread i've seen with you having no knowledge of anything your slamming.

Anyone read the September Super Chevy? Now they are mass producing bolt on clips to bring current technology easily and efficiently to the older muscle cars. This includes independent front and rear suspension, Tubular A-Arm packages, Steering Shafts, New 4 link pachages, torison bars, new coil springs, et cetera. For around 3-4 grand you could have any muscle car handeling like a Vette. Also, look at it like this, I'll talk imports to you.

The escudo's handeling sucks, I mean, really sucks. But it's really, really fast, and you can just completely stop to make a turn, and still out run everyone by laps at a time. Well, imagine these big blocks, especially if you can put Blowers on them in the new Gran Turismo, they will be FASTER then an escudo until the Superchargers pulleys outweigh the HP advantages, which happens about 3/4's to 7/8's through the powerband. Or, in the case of a normal racing transmission, about 130 or so mph, or if geared for topend, probably anywhere from 150-170 depending on the motor.

These old cars, they can be made to turn, because thats all rad racing is, Acceleration through turns. Once the master of Acceleration turn well,.. well... you'll see what I mean in GT4.
 
take the bottle of NOS out of the ricer and all you have is a bunch of bright lights and funny exhast sounds:( :( Camaros can be built to race any type of car. drag or street.
 
Originally posted by camaro454
take the bottle of NOS out of the ricer and all you have is a bunch of bright lights and funny exhast sounds:( :( Camaros can be built to race any type of car. drag or street.
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Exactly I've seen Camaros ripping it up on the track on TV, and in the street ? Sorry Civic owners, the 4 banger just won't do this time around.
 
Originally posted by Sominon
Milefile, I love how you talk so condescending in every thread i've seen with you having no knowledge of anything your slamming.
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and I love how you made an absolute fool of yourself pretending you know oh.so.much. what milefile said is ABSOLUTELY right. muscle cars didnt make modifying cars popular, it was the model Ts, As and Bs from Ford that actually started this crazy thing called hot rodding. Detroir saw that, and saw the potential of the engines they were building in the 60s, and launched the muscle car as a response to the people prefering to modify an older car rather than buying one off the showroom. why would they want a new car that was slower than the deuce roadster they had in the garage? then muscle cars were became popular for modifying too, because they ARE good plataforms to start with. they were the "factory hot rods" but no hot rods, because they were factory issued. just factory fast. and if you said that because he said japan was rebuilding nagasaki... well, its true too.

now, as for the muscle cars having modern underpinnings, well, it has been happening for quite some time... its because people are finally driving their hot rods, and they want them to perform as real cars, not just straight-line rockets. you dont have to have a track-prepped muscle car... you can pull 1G with any street muscle thing you want. I read about an AMC wich utilized some beefed up stock suspension and pulled 1.2 Gs on the skid. so, yeah, you can make a muscle car a killer corner carver now, but its like no one will care because its not a gizmo-shod, japanese mostrosity with four wheel drive and a turbo and intercoler and blah blah blah. look at all those dudes out there. you noticed how many topics talk about skylines? its sickening!!! why in hell no one appreciates that a 69 street, HOMEBUILT camaro can OUTRUN and OUTHANDLE a fekken skyline? but, oh, no, they go nuts over a thing that Top Secret built with unlimited budget. IDIOOOOOTS! at least, that for me would mean nothing.

Cano

haha, the problem will be that, if pollyphony doesnt make a modded muscle car capable of poutrunning and outhandling a skyline, stupid kids will tell you "its not true what we are saying here, because in gran turismo 4, the GTO couldnt overrun my absolutely ****ing awesome skyline"
 
how come import tunners and ricers never give muscle any respect or even just a chance? why is such a big deal when an import runs 13's but it means nothing when a domestic runs 12's? why are most imports fwd when rwd cars handle better, are easier to drive, and launch better?(thats why most cop cars and race cars are rwd)why do people want EVERYTHING jdm?

well i can answer one of my questions. most imports are fwd for gas mileage. cuz its easier to pull then to push and i think if they were rwd those little tiny 1.5 ltr motors would have a hell of a time tring to push the car around.
 
Originally posted by Sominon
Milefile, I love how you talk so condescending in every thread i've seen with you having no knowledge of anything your slamming.
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NASCAR sucks.

Muscle cars did not popularize modifying.

You are an ass.
 
Cars before muscle cars. Hot rods and jalopies. Muscle cars didn't need to be modified. They were made for the non-greasemonkey who wanted a fast car off the lot.
 
Cars during the fifties and before?:lol:
I suppose so, but muscle cars bought a new (popular, affordable)era to modifiying
 
again mile file is right. damn, what was the first muscle car? a pontiac tempest with hi-perf mods from the factory. I supose no one read my post. I have to stop ranting that much... or at least try to make my rants much shorter.
well, again I said that what made modifying cars so popular were the T, A and B-model fords from the 1910-1930s, when modding a four banger or a flathead was ass-cheap.

Cano
 
ford had all the young car buyers cuz they had the V8 and it was fast and cheap for the time. then GM thought that it was only a matter of time before the young car buyers got the older ones buying fords too. so GM made there own V8. the 265. they put it in the 1955 bel air which is the first factory built hot rod.
 
Originally posted by wana b drifter
ford had all the young car buyers cuz they had the V8 and it was fast and cheap for the time. then GM thought that it was only a matter of time before the young car buyers got the older ones buying fords too. so GM made there own V8. the 265. they put it in the 1955 bel air which is the first factory built hot rod.
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wrong. the first factory built hot rod WAs by chevy, but it came two years later, when chevrolet put the high-output 265 engine with some racing cam, a mechanical injection system and some other stuff, and began to sell it so it would compete in the stock car racing circuit. these things were scarce and rare and killed everything at the tracks in those times. they were called "black widows" and they were the first factory built hot rods. if you call cramming a V8 into a car a "factory built hot rod" you are absolutely wrong. then the first factoryhot rod would have been the 1932 ford, the first model to have a V8 from the factory, the now-legend flathead. the difference is that, neither the 32's flattie nor the 55's 265 were MODDED. the 57 black widow's was. so that's why it IS the first factory hot rod.

Cano

you must think that any muscle car is a hot rod, no? even a viperor vette should be hot rods to you. oh, god.
 
in 1955 when the 265 powered bel-air was made it was ment to be a fast car, and it was for the time. which makes it a factory hot rod. once new parts were developed and race proven they put them one the cars. in 1955 the 265 was a new motor and there where few race parts for it.
 
Originally posted by Cano

you must think that any muscle car is a hot rod, no? even a viperor vette should be hot rods to you. oh, god.
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why would i say any muscle car is a hot rod? i would never say that. where do you get tah from?
 
okay... everyone stop... look i may only be 18 but i would tottally rather drive a say the 64 GTO in gran turismo rather then a supra thats built up through the nose... why you ask... the sound, the ride, the looks, the feel the engine gives you, room... and think of this your cruising down the beach and someone checks you out in the 64... why its a car thats been built that way, like no added part no "body kits" i mean these cars look good with only primer and a lil rust... they see a supra thats normal and they don't really care.. they see one that tottaly "tricked out"(as importers would say) and they think rich kid.. who cares my dad had 32 MUSCLE CARS from the age of 16 to 18 he bought one and sold it most of the time... i'm talkin a real buick gs javlins goats gtx road runner barracuda malibu nova charger and trans ams.. and these cars were in perfect condition.. like basically off showroom floor.. one car he only had for about 2 minutes litterally he bought it and walked into his shop, then some guy came over and asked to buy it.. lol.. basically he was building his money up... now he has a 69 buick skylark(GS Clone)... http://www.geocities.com/blue_phoenix84/misc/69buick.html ... 77 trans-am... http://www.geocities.com/blue_phoenix84/misc/77ta.html ... the picture just doesn't do it justice though... so i gues what my point is that who cares how fast the muscle cars go and how you can beaf up there suspension and handling.. i just think there fun cars to drive... i was lucky enough to drive my dads car a few times and its farely stock they don't make muscle like that anymore. I just think it'd be fun to see them in video games cuz alot of them did make history.

Erich
 
Of anyone cares this site is about my first car... well acctually there isn't much of any txt cuz i haven't had the time but.. you get the idea.... http://www.geocities.com/blue_phoenix84/index.html ... all the pictures and photos were taken by yours truly... except the pictures of me of course lol... but yeah my car isn't much at all just an 84 monte ls that i might drop a 350 or 400 if i can find one that runs for farely cheap and i have 87 monte ss rims that i am putting on it.. they look really cool i haven't done much some of the pictures were before and some after you can't really tell much cuz they are mixed up and i didn't do much.. i hope to get the roof done soon.. then once the new tires are on i'm selling it for a REAL MUSCLE CAR hehehehehehehe:D acctually i'm looking for a 69or 70 goat style muscle car or a 71 to 73 trans-am but i'll settle for a firebird or formula hehe.. well i don't know why i am showing this off cuz its for GT4 only but what the hey its my car and i'm proud of my sites too :)
 
Originally posted by milefile
Cars before muscle cars. Hot rods and jalopies. Muscle cars didn't need to be modified. They were made for the non-greasemonkey who wanted a fast car off the lot.
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No they werent. People modified them like crazy and they were meant to be modified. That's why there were countless tuners back then like Yenko, and a Dodge dealer in Michigan (you muscle guys know who I am talking about :trouble: )...
 
Originally posted by Frustrated Palm
No they werent. People modified them like crazy and they were meant to be modified. That's why there were countless tuners back then like Yenko, and a Dodge dealer in Michigan (you muscle guys know who I am talking about :trouble: )...
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They were not meant to be modified. Why, then, did they come with functional hood scoops? Why did they come painted with racing stripes? Why did they come with dual four-barrel carbs? Why did they come with posi-traction? Why did they come with sprint tuned trannies? Why did they come off the lot able to burn rubber in four gears? The modifications you're thinking of are nothing at all like a Civic body kit. A few people, serious gearheads, turned their muscle cars into dragsters. But that's something totally different from "modifying". It was called motorsports. Not what people mean by "modifying" today at all.
 
damn this is going out of control.
OK, I agree again with mile file. muscle cars, and NOT A SINGLE CAR IN THE HISTORY OF CAR MAKING, has been MEANT to be modded. at least not street cars. as versatile and good starting points this platforms may have been from the begining, factory didnt made them and sell them for you to modify them. I think we got that right. its another thing whatsoever that EVEN factory dudes realized that they had made a completely cool platform to start with. yeah, that is the why of don yenkos chevy and grand spaulding dodge and the stock car drag series and the factory built funny cars and stuff. but NOT EVEN the charger daytona got off the factory to be modded. that is absolutely wrong.a car might BEG for mods, but it isnt meant for that. and they were done precisely for the dude that didnt want to get on all the fuss of hot-rodding a damned model A and have better performance. its another thing that EVEN this dudes realized how good platforms they were and how easy and supported (factory hi perf and aftermarket engineering) it would be to modify it, so they did it. they had nothing to do but change the intake, carb, headers and bolt on slicks to crack 11s. hell Id do it. its EASY dude!! EASY!!

Cano

hey, this is turning onto some great muscle talk. keep it goin! its my fave thread rite now!!
 
Originally posted by BIGBEN
thank god thats over:crazy:
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well then, to get things goin again....what do you guys think is the best muscle car? be sure to give a reason why you think this.

i think it would be the L88 camaro, because they have that all aluminum 427 that weighed about as much as a sbc. it also looked slow, no strips or logos, and dog dish hubcaps.
 
Originally posted by wana b drifter
well then, to get things goin again....what do you guys think is the best muscle car? be sure to give a reason why you think this.

i think it would be the L88 camaro, because they have that all aluminum 427 that weighed about as much as a sbc. it also looked slow, no strips or logos, and dog dish hubcaps.
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What about the 1969 ZL1 Corvette.
All alloy 427 and only two ever made, and those vettes just look awesome
 
If you guys don't know about this place already, you need to visit this web site!

yearone

Spend some time and explore. They have just about every classic muscle car you can think of and project cars too.:D
 
Well, I know wht year one is, but I havent surfed their page. thanks.

Cano

as for the muscle cars... well, the ZL1 was really slow in the low end, but once it hooked up, gawd you had to be carefull on that. I think Id choose the ford thunderbolt, the galaxy-based stock comper... 427 hiriser, fiberglass frontend...
that, or the damned sleepy early 64-65 plymouth belvederes with the 426 hemis... those werent even noticeable!!

for looks... well. I dont know. the 70 chevelle looks astounding. I like the 69 charger, and the 69 Camaro too. but for looks, I think Id go with a 70 mach 1
 
Okay.. the 1969 GTO Judge... why... well... 454... hurst shifter... the look the fact that it came with exhaust drop... i know you may not agree with me but thats okay... because no muscle car is the best they each have there own qualities... i mean i also love the trans-am and chevelle and so on... i mean you can't ask a person a question like that.. because its all personal preference.:D
 
Originally posted by Blue Phoenix
Okay.. the 1969 GTO Judge... why... well... 454... hurst shifter... the look the fact that it came with exhaust drop... i know you may not agree with me but thats okay... because no muscle car is the best they each have there own qualities... i mean i also love the trans-am and chevelle and so on... i mean you can't ask a person a question like that.. because its all personal preference.:D
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454 is chev the judge has 455:)
 
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