Co-Driver dies at Wales

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vtec_guy
I hope there isnt any video footage or photographs of it. Why you'd like to watch a rally heroe die I dont know.


My heart goes out to Michael as well as all his friends and relatives.

I know it probably sounds in bad taste but I do want to see how it happened.....It must have been one of these rare situations where the car comes of a corner in an odd way or something.....

Gosh I was shocked nowadays people never expect people to die in motosport.....Its such a shame that he had to die so young leaving a family behind but as has been said he died doing what he loved.......
 
Greycap
What do you mean with this? I don't get it.

The differentials in current WRC cars are electronic, and are controlled by computer. I don't know how they work, but they're referred to as Active Differentials. When you hear the car making a "chirruping" sound, that's the diffs working to move power around and control the car's attitude (I had always thought that it was the anti-lag, but it's not).

I may well be wrong, but I thought that active differentials were banned from the start of the 2006 season, and that therefore all diffs had to be mechanical.
 
Oh come on guys! You're saying that they (FIA) should limit the power to 200bhp? The torque to 200 lb./ft? Install an electronic speed limiter that would kick in at 160km/h? Why the hell? Who the heck would want to watch rally driving with those rules? I sure wouldn't be going to any rally races anymore. I mean, you could drive faster by yourself, so why to pay of watching other people doing it? I just wonder. I'm not saying that these accidents that take human lives are nice but in the name of GOD, FIA shouldn't touch the rules of WRC in any way. Maybe some stiffer roll cages but that's it!
 
R.I.P Michael Park

You did the Co Driver part of Rally and WRC proud R.I.P.
 
I don't think reducing power or grip would have had any difference in this (or most) rally accidents - you hit a tree at the wrong angle at 70 or 80 and the consequence is going to be the same.

Its about time the FIA did something about the stages themselves. When Ratzenberger and Senna died at Imola most of the changes brought in were to the tracks, a move which has unfortunatly brought us some dull GP circuits. It was only a matter of time before WRC/top-end rallying would bring about another fatality - i'm just suprised that it wasn't a dozen spectators. The death of a competitor is absolutly tragic - the death of innocent bystanders is the kind of thing that could destroy a sport - LeMans '55?
 
Man motorsport is turning into a joke. Look the people in the sport know fully well of the risks and no one is forcing them to do it. If there are going to be some sort of casualties then so be it. The sport is safe enough as it is now and infact I think the Group B cars should come back and they should limit horsepower to 550hp. Because otherwise all the cars will soon be pretty much identical and it will all be down to the drivers and not what the manufactures put out.
 
TheCracker
I don't think reducing power or grip would have had any difference in this (or most) rally accidents - you hit a tree at the wrong angle at 70 or 80 and the consequence is going to be the same.

Its about time the FIA did something about the stages themselves. When Ratzenberger and Senna died at Imola most of the changes brought in were to the tracks, a move which has unfortunatly brought us some dull GP circuits.

The FIA's current rules would have stopped neither Senna's NOR Ratzenberger's crashes.
 
Im not a big fan of WRC but its a real loss to the motorsport im sure.

RIP Micheal Park. Thoughts are with his family and friends in what must be a unimagineably hard time.
 
vtec_guy
Well if video footage does show up, I hope it isnt the onboard video. That would be terrifying.

That would be disrespectful.
 
Bee
That would be disrespectful.
It would be. Also it might show how he directley died but not what caused it. Which is what we need to know.

Saw some pictures on TV of the car earlier. The side is pretty pushed in, though not completely. I assmue the emergency services cut the roof off.
 
First and foremost, rest in peace Mr. Park, you passed from this earth doing something you love. My thoughts and prayers are with your family and friends. Also my sympathies to Markko Martin, I cannot imagine what you are going through right now.

Now, as to everyone arguing over safety, it has be understood that physics is physics and universal laws are inmutable. Regardless of the sport, when people push themselves and in most instances their equipment to the limit, failure is bound to occur. That is not to say that I wish ill of anyone participating, just that injuries/fatalites are a part of any sport. To regulate the competiveness out of the sport kills said sport, and I honestly doubt those who have paid the ultimate price wish to see their legacy as the death-knell of that which they love.

People have died piloting planes, cars, mo-bikes, boats, bicycles, horses, and even in foot races people have died, however most governing bodies can understand that as the limit is pushed, eventually the limit will push back. If my memory serves correctly the FIA is already set about standards to limit the speed of Rally Cars for '06 and beyond by taking away the turbos, making the diffs mechanical as said before and limiting the engines to a transverse mounted inline-4 not to exceed 2.0 litres. All well and good, but given that F1 engines are currently at 3.0 litres and capable of 900ps +/- , I don't really see how killing the turbo will truly reduce speeds in the WRC. All I can see is that the engines will rev higher on shorter strokes, so that even more wheel spin will be needed to get through corners to maintain speed, instilling even more opportunites for corners to go badly. I do not have any great answers to simply solve the issue an I doubt that any one person or even governing body does, but I have rarely seen the FIA make the correct call. All I can say is now is not the time to toss the regulations for the WRC and start from scratch. Yes, a person has died competing, but that does not instantly make the stauts quo unsuitable. Had Michael Park died as a consequence of FIA Regulations, yes, let's take it to committee as of right now and fix the issue, but as far as I can tell, it was just bad fortune that got "Beef", let the man rest, let his family greive, but please don't kill that which he loved enough to lay down his life for.
 
People have died piloting planes, cars, mo-bikes, boats, bicycles, horses, and even in foot races people have died, however most governing bodies can understand that as the limit is pushed, eventually the limit will push back.
I've heard (so far only rumour) that he was only doing 50...
 
Everythings a rumour at the moment me thinks.

Just out of interest, where did you see the pictures? Personally i dont want to see pictures but it concerns me.
 
I read "about 100kph" (about 60mph) in the newspaper. Gilles Panizzi went sideways into a tree in the rain in Germany last year, and all that happened to him was a sore hand, despite the car looking like this:

WRC_04_Germany_Day2_Panizzi_Crashes.jpg


I think Beef was just unlucky. Unfortunatly, that's motor racing, and luck plays a major part in any crash, regardless of the safety precautions taken. At Goodwood this weekend, 2 1950s F1 cars were rolled. The driver of a Maserati 250F was thrown out of the car and then had the Maser run him over and ended up in hospital in a fairly critcal condition, whereas the driver of a Cooper walked away completely unharmed, as the car was upside down in mid air and it didn't land on him. Either accident could've been different with the luck involved; if the Cooper had landed upside down the driver would've been badly hurt (no roll bars back then); if the 250F hadn't hit the driver after throwing him out, he would've been in a much better state.

Panizzi hit that tree at a similar speed, in what I believe to be a similar angle (I haven't seen the picture of the 307 post-accident) and was unscathed. Michael Park died when the tree and door met in the same way. I doubt anything could've be done to prevent it; a fraction further forward or back on the side of the car and he would've survived.

It was slightly scary, watching the highlights today from Friday and Saturday, and seeing him reading the pace notes, knowing he wasn't with us anymore.

Rest in Peace, Mr. Park, and my condolenses go to his wife and children.
 
Roo
Panizzi hit that tree at a similar speed, in what I believe to be a similar angle (I haven't seen the picture of the 307 post-accident) and was unscathed.

I have. It was.
 
I didnt watch the last 30 minutes of coverage on Speed. I'm guessing thats when it happened. I hate to see this happen, but it was just a freak accident. I don't think any amount of rule changes could have prevented it. Sebastian Loeb showed us all just how much these guys mean to each other and how tight nit the WRC community is. I don't think you could have seen that in any other sport.
 
R.I.P.

Beef was too young to become dead meat, so to speak. It's a damn shame.
 
This is very sad news for sure. I was speechless when I saw the rally on Speed last night and they annouced he had been killed. This hit me pretty hard as he and Martin are my favorite team. :(
 
Famine
The FIA's current rules would have stopped neither Senna's NOR Ratzenberger's crashes.

You don't think that the changes at 'tamburello' would have stopped Senna's crash? Or the subsequent lower speeds entering 'villeneuve' given Ratzenberger a better chance of not going off?

Not to mention the higher cockpit sides saving their lives.
 
No.

I should point out that I'm not advocating change, merely predicting it. The FIA are renowned for messing around with rules - rarely for the better (either for spectators or safety) - following competitor deaths.
 
graveslids
First and foremost, rest in peace Mr. Park, you passed from this earth doing something you love. My thoughts and prayers are with your family and friends. Also my sympathies to Markko Martin, I cannot imagine what you are going through right now.

Now, as to everyone arguing over safety, it has be understood that physics is physics and universal laws are inmutable. Regardless of the sport, when people push themselves and in most instances their equipment to the limit, failure is bound to occur. That is not to say that I wish ill of anyone participating, just that injuries/fatalites are a part of any sport. To regulate the competiveness out of the sport kills said sport, and I honestly doubt those who have paid the ultimate price wish to see their legacy as the death-knell of that which they love.

People have died piloting planes, cars, mo-bikes, boats, bicycles, horses, and even in foot races people have died, however most governing bodies can understand that as the limit is pushed, eventually the limit will push back. If my memory serves correctly the FIA is already set about standards to limit the speed of Rally Cars for '06 and beyond by taking away the turbos, making the diffs mechanical as said before and limiting the engines to a transverse mounted inline-4 not to exceed 2.0 litres. All well and good, but given that F1 engines are currently at 3.0 litres and capable of 900ps +/- , I don't really see how killing the turbo will truly reduce speeds in the WRC. All I can see is that the engines will rev higher on shorter strokes, so that even more wheel spin will be needed to get through corners to maintain speed, instilling even more opportunites for corners to go badly. I do not have any great answers to simply solve the issue an I doubt that any one person or even governing body does, but I have rarely seen the FIA make the correct call. All I can say is now is not the time to toss the regulations for the WRC and start from scratch. Yes, a person has died competing, but that does not instantly make the stauts quo unsuitable. Had Michael Park died as a consequence of FIA Regulations, yes, let's take it to committee as of right now and fix the issue, but as far as I can tell, it was just bad fortune that got "Beef", let the man rest, let his family greive, but please don't kill that which he loved enough to lay down his life for.


Fantastic post 👍
 
Famine
No.

I should point out that I'm not advocating change, merely predicting it. The FIA are renowned for messing around with rules - rarely for the better (either for spectators or safety) - following competitor deaths.

No?!?

- Wasn't Imola altered because of Senna's & Ratzenberger's deaths?

- Would Senna still have piled into tamburello at full throttle had the chicane been in place? - i don't believe he would have.

Berger's crash at the same corner in '89 should have been enough for the authorities to do something about it. Had this been so and they'd done something a little less drastic like moving the retaining wall back 50 yards or so, we might not have the sterile circuits we do these days (not that its a bad thing for safety reasons) and Senna would probably be alive today. Ratzenberger's death was more of a freak accident - parts still fall of F1 cars to this day (just ask Kimmi) the track wasn't really to blame, although because of the 'new' tamburello, villeneuve is now approached slower.

The FIA don't seem to have much power, at least within F1, to make the changes to the regs that they need to. Manufactures have far too much say in what can and can't be changed. Its been 11 years since the last F1 fatality, the changes to cockpit height and tub strength have surely saved the life of many drivers.
 
Yet their perpetual attempts to slow the cars themselves down are met with ever-faster cars. The track changes are secondary (and more preventative) to the grooved tyres (which offer less grip than slicks), reduced engine capacity (which has had no effect at all - so much so that they're lopping two whole cylinders off), reduced wing area (which reduces grip through the corners). It's true that unregulated - or at least unaltered regulation from 1994 - vehicle specs would see massively fast F1 cars today, whereas we only have awesomely fast ones. They're still faster than they were in 1994, just as today's WRC cars are faster than 1986's Group B cars...

Imola outright lap record: 1'19.753 (J. Button; 2004)
Imola race lap record: 1'20.411 (M. Schumacher; 2004)
Imola 2005 race fastest lap (4.933km): 1'21.858 (M. Schumacher) - 134.8mph
Imola 2005 qualifying fastest lap (4.933km): 1'19.886 (M. Schumacher) - 138.2mph
Imola 1994 race fastest lap (5.040km): 1'24.335 (D. Hill) - 133.7mph
Imola 1994 qualifying fastest lap (5.040km): 1'21.548 (A. Senna) - 138.3mph

(check out Senna's qualifying lap... The cars are markedly faster in race trim, but Senna's average speed in qualifying is scary. Button is marginally faster though, on a track which has been "slowed down")
 
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