Cobalt wins time attack?

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Even looking at just NASCAR, Chevy has only something like 10-15 more wins than Ford, which isn't that much of a gap...

The numbers are something like 250-260 wins apiece.
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Actually, I don't remember where I read it, or the exact number, but early this year Chevy won something like its 570th race in NASCAR, with over 450 or something in the "modern era" of the series from 1972 on. Which sounds like a lot. But, NASCAR is like 50 years old, so that only averages out to 10 a year. Its a lot for NASCAR, for sure. But, worldwide Chevy doesn't do a whole lot of racing.

I think, if anyone can find a real stat, that it will be either Porsche, Ferrari, or possibly Audi. I don't think Audi races in enough series, but they have been at it for a long time. Who knows. I've been digging for a while, and I can't seem to find any real figures to know who is tops for sure.

Hilg
 
How about we look beyond NASCAR in American oval track racing?

ASA, USAR Hooters Pro Cup, NASCAR Featherlite Modifieds, ISMA and MSA Supermodifieds (all of which are powered by big block Chevies), all manner of sprint cars, dirt late models and modifieds, the list goes on and on of touring divisions that are Chevy dominated.

AND WE AREN'T EVEN TOUCHING LOCAL RACING. Consider that there are over 40 ovals in OHIO ALONE with weekly racing divisions typically contended by Monte Carlos, Camaros, Malibus, and many small block Chevy powered pure race cars, and the claim that Chevrolet is the winningest marque in motorsport doesn't seem nearly so absurd.
 
i think chevy does a lot of racing how about the series that started this forum? theres 3 for chevy how about the c5 corvettes? yeah they've won more races than other companys by faaaarr
 
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how about the c5 corvettes? yeah they've won more races than other companys by faaaarr
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How about the 911??? That car alone has won MANY races in the many years its been sold. And again, give us some real stats here before you blather more Chevy fan-boy slurp.

Hilg
 
911's have won alot more comps than corvettes.

edito.

Got beaten to it. Gonna have a look for some figures.Maybe this is somthing to email someoeboy who deals with things like this about.
 
i must say you guys can jabber all you want here about these other companys being worldwide but guess what? europe cars only race in europe! japan cars in japan so guess what? europe doesnt constitute the whole world either!
nascar--its whole history--no less than 30 no more than 50 races per year
biggest other form? maybe 20? per year? if they're lucky--well indy or cart might oh well at least toyota had the brass ones to try nascar--still waiting for mercedes to give it a go
& porsche & ferrari
 
Layla's Keeper
How about we look beyond NASCAR in American oval track racing?
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Thats true, but you also have to look beyond just America. Think about all the F2, F3, one-make, and other series like that. There are many of the same types of things over seas. And, I guess it also depends on where you draw the line. Are we talking races won by something with a Chevy engine, or an actual Chevy car. Personally, I don't consider a dirt slinger super-mod with a Chevy engine a win for Chevy. I guess its all in the interpretation. But, I'm thinking mostly manufacturer backed races.

Hilg
 
LeadSlead#2
i must say you guys can jabber all you want here about these other companys being worldwide but guess what? europe cars only race in europe! japan cars in japan so guess what? europe doesnt constitute the whole world either!
nascar--its whole history--no less than 30 no more than 50 races per year
biggest other form? maybe 20? per year? if they're lucky--well indy or cart might oh well at least toyota had the brass ones to try nascar--still waiting for mercedes to give it a go
& porsche & ferrari
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The last 3 automakers you mentioned dont need to give it a go because theres nothing much that they can do in that series to ensure winning as your just going round and round and quite frankly nascar and indy is not glamaourous enough and the those car comapnaies have a big enough following as it is.

To be fully truthfully european manufactures do the most racing outside of europe followed by the japanese. American manufactures dont live america much as well they dont need to as there is hardly a want for american cars in europe or japan as it is.
 
LeadSlead#2
i must say you guys can jabber all you want here about these other companys being worldwide but guess what? europe cars only race in europe! japan cars in japan so guess what? europe doesnt constitute the whole world either!
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So, in your world, a european car can only race in europe??? HA HA HA, thats funny. You have no clue about any of this, do you???

Hilg
 
european cars only race in europe? are you drunk?

Speed GT....
SCCA.....
Petite le mans...
American Le mans...
Mazda series...etc etc etc

But the fact remains there are more annual races probably in Europe than the US and japan combined...meaning whoever wins the most there chances are..has won the most worldwide.
 
Even with Nascar, no way has Chevy won the most. Maybe GM motors are the winningest, though I doubt it. But there is no way in hell a Chevy or any GM is the most winningest car company in all of racing. I'm almost sure its MB, just because they've been racing since auto racing started.

People know I'm a die-hard GM fan, but even I know when enough it enough.
 
Driftster, again I have to disagree with you. The sheer number of short tracks in this country with weekly racing completely blows the proportions out of the water.

I'll grant Jnasty that there isn't much "Chevy" left in the Chevy small blocks many purpose built short track race cars use. That's why most of 'em wear names like Gaerte, Kinsler, Kears, Malcuit, R&R, Draime, and Wind it Tight on their valve covers.

But the fact remains that the lineage traces right back to Chevy, and that the whole country over it's routine for entire fields of cars to be made up of Chevies.
 
Layla's Keeper
I'll grant Jnasty that there isn't much "Chevy" left in the Chevy small blocks many purpose built short track race cars use. That's why most of 'em wear names like Gaerte, Kinsler, Kears, Malcuit, R&R, Draime, and Wind it Tight on their valve covers.
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See, thats all I'm saying. I'm with you on the fact that there is tons of short track and dirt ovals here in the states. Hell, you can't drive more than an hour in any direction from Omaha here and not see at least a few. But, like I said, I'm not really considering those cars "Chevy" racers.

Yes, they use Chevrolet engines and what not. But, this isn't GM funding a race program. And, I think thats what is up for arguement here. There is a ton of small block Chev V8s out there racing. But I'm talking about GM actually getting out there and racing a car and backing a program.

Hilg
 
Well then....Old porsches arn't porsche victories then they're VW...and if a Gransport won a race it wouldn't be a win for maserati...it's a ferrari win
 
Driftster
Well then....Old porsches arn't porsche victories then they're VW...and if a Gransport won a race it wouldn't be a win for maserati...it's a ferrari win
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Thats not what I'm saying. I'm saying that some of the dirt track cars are nothing more than a mish-mash of parts and possibly a Chevy engine. I don't consider that a Chevy victory in the grand scheme of things. But, if the car is an actual Chevy model, thats fine. So, if a Porsche wins a race, its a Porsche victory. See what I'm saying???

Hilg
 
JNasty4G63
Actually, I don't remember where I read it, or the exact number, but early this year Chevy won something like its 570th race in NASCAR, with over 450 or something in the "modern era" of the series from 1972 on. Which sounds like a lot. But, NASCAR is like 50 years old, so that only averages out to 10 a year. Its a lot for NASCAR, for sure. But, worldwide Chevy doesn't do a whole lot of racing.

Hilg
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Yep, you're totally right. I was way off.

Make - Wins [last win]
Chevy - 572 [Martinsville 10/23/2005 Jeff Gordon]
Ford - 568 [Atlanta 10/30/2005 Carl Edwards]
Plymouth - 191 [Talladega 8/12/1973 Dick Brooks]
Dodge - 187 [New Hampshire 9/18/2005 Ryan Newman]
Pontiac - 154 [Darlington 3/16/2003 Ricky Craven]
Oldsmobile - 115 [Michigan 8/16/1992 Harry Gant]
Mercury - 95 [Talladega 8/3/1980 Neil Bonnett]
Hudson - 79 [West Palm Beach 2/6/1955 Herb Thomas]
Buick - 65 [North Wilkesboro 4/22/1990 Brett Bodine]
Chrysler - 59 [Hartsfield SC 6/23/1961 Buck Baker]
AMC - 5 [Darlington 9/1/75 Bobby Allison]
Lincoln - 4 [Charlotte 4/2/1950 Tim Flock]
Studebaker - 3 [Mobile, AL 11/25/1951 Frank Mundy]
Nash - 1 [Charlotte Speedway 4/1/1951 Curtis Turner]
Jaguar - 1 [Linden Airport NJ 6/13/54 Al Keller]

http://www.jayski.com/stats/2005/manu2005.htm
 
Driftster
Well then....Old porsches arn't porsche victories then they're VW...and if a Gransport won a race it wouldn't be a win for maserati...it's a ferrari win
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Of course, you don't realise that Porsche was never owned by Volkswagen and Maserati hasn't won a single thing since Ferrari took control (and it doesn't even own it anymore).
BlazinXtreme
But I think its funny they had to put the ACR SRT-4 Neon in there to even make it a contender. As far as I know the Cobalt/Ion did not have the competition packages on them, but I could be wrong.
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They did.
Combine that with the $1375 Competition package, and SoCal import tuners suddenly have a reason to stop snickering. Sort of.
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I wonder why the Saturn finished below the Chevy. Probably because it was a Saturn.
 
BlazinXtreme
I'm pretty sure the SS isn't sold in Canada, in fact I'm not even sure you guys get the Cobalt. You guys get a bastardize Pontiac version of it called the Pursuit.

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The Cobalt, including the SS is sold in Canada; I've sat in one at a Chevy dealership. I wasn't too impressed with the interior, and I got a good laugh out of the boost gauge (I know it's functional, but it's not necessary on a 230hp car). Me and my friend also got a good laugh out of the cheap 'spoiler'.

The Pursuit is also sold here. People in Toronto have a fetish for crappy Pontiacs though; the Pursuit, G6, and that horrible minivan are very common there.
 
God I hate it when people complain about the interior. For Chirst sakes this isn't a Caddy, its a econo box with a supercharger. And no it doesn't need a boost gauge, but neither does the SRT-4, people like them though.
 
It looks a lot like the Jetta interior to me--not bad, not winning any points for originality either...
 
Like I think I said, GM bench marked the Jetta when making the Cobalt.
 
no, ppl here in toronto dont have a fetish the pursuit and G6's and those other GM stuff like the aveo etc etc.

The ppl who buy them like them because they are cheap and havent realized that there's something better.
 
I guess you guys are right, it seems america is the only place where we keep records as to how many races each company wins---i guess--I can't find stats for anything outside of america, so I guess unless people can state how many victories mercedes or ferrari--yeah right--or audi have so far---Chevy wins by default

Also....if vehicle with chevy engines like sprint cars dont count....neither do any indy or cart or formula 1 vehicles----since it's a frame with a company motor stuck in it---that's gonna really hurt ferrari's small chance- & eliminate honda just about.

also note that when american cars dominate they get banned and put in higher classes & such so it's harder--a.k.a. I do believe non-supercharged Cobalts got banned from the class below the one with Mazdas & BMW's--thats why a 205HP FF car is racing 240HP FR cars
anyone ever heard of an Oldsmobile Aerotech? I do believe that was banned as well

and one more---Audi own Volkswagon-who now owns Lamborghini as well and no they dont get credit for any volkswagon or Lamborghini wins--unless, that is GM counts as a whole & we're not just talking about Chevy anymore

o yeah drag racing does count to---pro stock & top fuel & pro street--all that drag racing they show on tv-- like the new cobalts with Ecotecs that set world records for FF 4cyls running i think 6.9--it might be down from that now though
fact is chevy & GM are involved in far more motorsport activities than other companys--partially because they also hold more events in a year to---the fact that(i believe & is actually a fairly common phrase to be heard--search "winningest name in racing & you'll see) Chevy would win more races than other companies makes a lot of sense, & if they didnt, they would have to suck--since Ford is their only real competition in many of their races.

Edit: Porsche is owned by Porsche---Nobody else
also Audi probabley has the best winning % of all companys<--however they don't always race, & they take breaks for many years at a time sometimes. Props must be directed to BMW for their continued & undying support to racing, as they always race & are always competitive--BMW just may be the greatest name in racing,...but chevy is still the winningest :sly:
 
There are so many different types of racing I don't even see the point in trying to find out who's got the most wins. Thats a nearly impossible debate.
 

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