Cobalt wins time attack?

[xcsti]

Wow leadsled you love to bend the rules for yourself don't you.

F1 should be left in because the manufacturor made the chasis also and it the engine is tailored for the car. It's not some shop throwing a small block they prepared themselves into a chasis they built.

I don't theink your claim that american cars get banned or moved to harder classes is legit or at least moreso than european manufacturors. Look at what happened to maserati with the mc-12, tons of restrictions thrown on it. I know the cts-vs have had weight restrictions thrown on because of thier success but you have to realize that it happens everywhere.

The drag ecotecs don't have a humongous amount of factory competition from what I remember,

 

[Joey D]

For FWD NHRA drag racing I know you have the Chevy Team, Mopar, Scion, I'm sure Honda and Acura has one, and I'm pretty sure Toyota has one too.

 

[skip0110]

HFP sponsors a RWD Civic, but I dont think they do FWD at all...

 

[Joey D]

Wait, shouldn't the RWD cars use the same motors? Just mounted differently? I know zilch about compact drag racing.

 

[skip0110]

I dunno, the only reason I know about the HFP car is that I saw a picture of it at the Honda parts counter

 

[JNasty4G63]

Oh, where to start with you.....

Also....if vehicle with chevy engines like sprint cars dont count....neither do any indy or cart or formula 1 vehicles----since it's a frame with a company motor stuck in it---that's gonna really hurt ferrari's small chance- & eliminate honda just about.

But, your forgetting that Ferrari is the only manufacturer that builds the entire car. None of the other teams do that. You have a Williams chassis with a BMW engine. Or a McLaren chassis with a Benz engine. But, with Ferrari, its their chassis with their engine. So yes, Ferrari F1 wins count for Ferrari.

also note that when american cars dominate they get banned and put in higher classes & such so it's harder

And, its only American cars that get that treatment, right??? Oh wait, no, its not. Thats why you have a Porsche 911 GT3 racing against the big block C6 Z06 and Caddy CTV-V in Speed GT. The Porsche is far underpowered compared to those cars, and yet the races are just fine.

It has nothing to do with what nationality it is. Racing sanctioning bodys have the control to keep things competitive. If a car is too fast, or slow, to help keep it competitive, they get moved. Same thing happens all the time in SCCA auto-x races. And, its not just american cars.

and one more---Audi own Volkswagon-who now owns Lamborghini as well and no they dont get credit for any volkswagon or Lamborghini wins--unless, that is GM counts as a whole & we're not just talking about Chevy anymore

No, Volkswagen owns all those brands. VAG is the company that owns the Volkswagen, Audi, Skoda, Seat, Lambo, Bently, and Bugatti name. VAG is to them, as GM is to Chevy, Pontiac, and Caddy to name a few. So, no, when a Lambo wins a race, which is very little since they don't race, Lambo gets the victory. Its the car that gets the victory, not the company that owns the rights to the name of the car. Just because they own the name now, all of Bugatti's historical wins are not now a Volkswagen win. Bugatti won a race, they get the victory.

fact is chevy & GM are involved in far more motorsport activities than other companys--partially because they also hold more events in a year to---the fact that(i believe & is actually a fairly common phrase to be heard--search "winningest name in racing & you'll see) Chevy would win more races than other companies makes a lot of sense, & if they didnt, they would have to suck--since Ford is their only real competition in many of their races.

Now, your just blathering again. You probably couldn't name 5 racing series outside the states, and yet you just KNOW that Chevy races more than anyone. Just because you can't find any facts, that doesn't just default to Chevy having the most because they're your favorite. Thats just fan-boy slurp. Think logically about this. They win a lot in the states, but outside there, they don't do much. There are many other brands out there that race world-wide. That can add up quick.

--BMW just may be the greatest name in racing,...but chevy is still the winningest

Again, more slurping there. Find some actual figures that state that, otherwise your still just blathering.

Hilg

 

[JNasty4G63]

Wait, shouldn't the RWD cars use the same motors? Just mounted differently? I know zilch about compact drag racing.

Most of the time, they just use a "Honda" engine. Like Steph Papadakis old RWD Civic had a turbo NSX engine in it. And, the Bullish Racing Toyota Solaras have the old 2JZ from the Supra in them, not the V6 from the Solora. As long as its the same brand of engine, in those classes, its fine.

Hilg

 

[Joey D]

Can't find any figures but if you go to Google and type in "Winningest Name in Racing" you definatly get Chevy. I would guess Chevy is the winningest name in American Racing, but in the world I doubt it.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Winningest+name+in+racing&btnG=Google+Search

 

[Joey D]

Most of the time, they just use a "Honda" engine. Like Steph Papadakis old RWD Civic had a turbo NSX engine in it. And, the Bullish Racing Toyota Solaras have the old 2JZ from the Supra in them, not the V6 from the Solora. As long as its the same brand of engine, in those classes, its fine.

Hilg

Gotcha, thanks for clearing that up 👍

 

[Young_Warrior]

Can't find any figures but if you go to Google and type in "Winningest Name in Racing" you definatly get Chevy. I would guess Chevy is the winningest name in American Racing, but in the world I doubt it.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Winningest+name+in+racing&btnG=Google+Search

Is winningest even a word or is it common in america cause Ive never heard it used before so if it is a common american word the companies that it will be about will most likely be american.

 

[Joey D]

Yup its in the dictionary

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Winningest

 

[LeadSlead#2]

why is it I need facts to prove chevy wins but nobody needs facts to disagree?
and maybe in 1 series ferrari builds their chassis, but in most Indy leagues they use pre-built chassis like the reynard chassis & such<-- or did I make that up to?
I still havent heard about european cars being BANNED--not restricted Banned.
and the porsche might might a smaller engine, but it has turbos--the V8's don't second so who cares? second off hasent the corvette been winning that class lately? or are they just winning the 24hr races? i don't know they cant be doing to bad though
no other cars in the class of the ecotecs that run 6.9's use FF they all use 350's & RWD--any other FF cars that tried would get killed---the FF Ecotec's usually don't win---they're just proving they can be competitive -- but they still have the record & the enigine's been out for what? 3 years? maybe 4.
Winningest----to win more than the other guys yes it is a word no-- Chevy didnt make it up

P.S. I never counted Sprint cars--that was somebody else--it just brought to lite--thanx to you--that most kind(well at least CART) use pre-built chassis the Reynard & i forget the other one because its not real important to me--but they have 2 chassis to chose from
Also---the ecotec doesnt have a lot of comp.---because nobody has been able to build a car that can go close to a 6.9 @ 211mph---last I saw, SRT-4's were in the 8's & they were doing good

 

[LeadSlead#2]

Moter Trend just ran a new Vette ZO6 to a 11.6 @ 126.6 MPH--pretty impressive for 65K
wait till the supercharged one comes out that they've been testing at the 'Ring---assuming they go through with it---(which you can bet they will) why? because GM's out to prove they can kick more @$$ than anybody for half(if that) of the $$$

 

[JNasty4G63]

why is it I need facts to prove chevy wins but nobody needs facts to disagree?

Because, we are discussing, and thinking about possible answers. You are just blabbering nonsense. You like Chevy, so they must be the most, right???

and maybe in 1 series ferrari builds their chassis, but in most Indy leagues they use pre-built chassis like the reynard chassis & such<-- or did I make that up to?

Ferrari doesn't race in Indy or CART. But then again, neither does Chevy now, anyway. They couldn't keep up with Honda, so they're getting out. No more Chevy in INDY.

I still havent heard about european cars being BANNED--not restricted Banned.

Do a search for the "Killer B" rally cars from back in the day. There are plenty of cars that get banned outside the states.

and the porsche might might a smaller engine, but it has turbos--the V8's don't second so who cares? second off hasent the corvette been winning that class lately? or are they just winning the 24hr races? i don't know they cant be doing to bad though

Porsche doesn't race a Turbo motor. The GT3-RS and the RS-Spyder both use NA engines. The Caddy won Speed GT this year by 4 points over the Porsche. The Vette was 20 points back, in a distant 3rd.

Hilg

 

[JNasty4G63]

Moter Trend just ran a new Vette ZO6 to a 11.6 @ 126.6 MPH--pretty impressive for 65K
wait till the supercharged one comes out that they've been testing at the 'Ring---assuming they go through with it---(which you can bet they will) why? because GM's out to prove they can kick more @$$ than anybody for half(if that) of the $$$

Don't start that again. Do a search, there are many, MANY threads about that car. Don't get it going again here.

Hilg

 

[LeadSlead#2]

so I shouldnt mention that it beat a Viper & A Ford GT on the road course?-(in that order)
P.S. for those of you who call me a Chevy fan---I prefer Vipers--& I love M3's & Fiebirds-Most cars I like are not Chevy--& for every chevy model, I like another car in it's class better
I also hate most american cars---& they do use Ferrari engines in CART I just read about them in Motor Trend as well<---Unless we should trust you over one of the most respected car magazines out there

I almost forgot--the porsches are lighter--I believe than the caddys & corvettes because they have less power(if they do) clearly they have something working good enough so quit complaining about engine size--Porsche chose it not GM

 

[Blackbird.]

Pffft...go drive one, they are serious as quick as an SRT'4 and they have the best handeling in its class (well the Ion techincally does, but same car).

And SRT-4 beats it off the line but in any start at a roll the Cobalt would win.

 

[JNasty4G63]

so I shouldnt mention that it beat a Viper & A Ford GT on the road course?-(in that order)

If your talking about that "Automobile" mag article, it lost to the GT, but did beat the Viper.

...they do use Ferrari engines in CART I just read about them in Motor Trend as well But yes, put that in another thread.

There is no Ferrari in CART, you read that wrong. Trust me. The only open-wheel that Ferrari does is F1. You read something wrong there.

Hilg

 

[Joey D]

I don't know about that one, my buddy has an Ion Redline (there are pictures in my Blazer thread of it) and I've been with him were he has beat SRT-4's off the line, the only time he's lost to one was when we pulled up on a modded one with some after market goodies. The only thing his Ion has is a Weapon R Short Ram Intake good for maybe and I say MAYBE 5 hp if that.

And before anyone says anything the Cobalt/Ion are the same car.

 

[Blackbird.]

I've seen numerous videos of the Cobalt comparing itself with the SRT-4 and it always got beaten off the line but won by quite a distance when they start at a roll.

 

[Driftster]

how many Rally events has Chevy won?
How many Le mans has chevy won?
how many Formula 1's has chevy won..
How many Speed Gt's has Chevy won..
How many Club car races has Chevy won...
how many Ferrari Challenges has Chevy won...
How many Dakar's has chevy won...
How many JGTC events has chevy won...

 

[Joey D]

But that doesn't make since, you got turbo lag off the line with the SRT-4. I'm not real sure I've only ever driven an SRT-4 once and I didn't push it at all.

 

[Blackbird.]

But that doesn't make since, you got turbo lag off the line with the SRT-4. I'm not real sure I've only ever driven an SRT-4 once and I didn't push it at all.

Well we own one and first gear has little to no turbo lag. And in second there is absolutely none. It's quite responsive in second gear.

how many Rally events has Chevy won?
How many Le mans has chevy won?
how many Formula 1's has chevy won..
How many Speed Gt's has Chevy won..
How many Club car races has Chevy won...
how many Ferrari Challenges has Chevy won...
How many Dakar's has chevy won...
How many JGTC events has chevy won...

Chevy doesn't run rally....
Chevy doesn't run F1
I'm not sure on this one they may or may not run it
dunno
Didn't know Chevy's were allowed in a FERARRI challenge
dunno
Dunno

But I know they have won some races with their C5R

 

[Joey D]

how many Rally events has Chevy won?
How many Le mans has chevy won?
how many Formula 1's has chevy won..
How many Speed Gt's has Chevy won..
How many Club car races has Chevy won...
how many Ferrari Challenges has Chevy won...
How many Dakar's has chevy won...
How many JGTC events has chevy won...

They don't win WRC, but I'm sure there are some SCCA wins in there somewhere
Le Mans, the Vette has done pretty good at winning
Formula 1, I don't think GM has ever had a program
I don't know what Speed GT is, but I would assume the Vette runs in it
Same with the club car
I think Ferrari Challenges are only open to Ferraris...no?
Dakar could be a possiblity, not sure
JGTC is for Japanese cars...no?

Well we own one and first gear has little to no turbo lag. And in second there is absolutely none. It's quite responsive in second gear.

Alright I'll buy that, because like I said I've never pushed one.

 

[JNasty4G63]

But that doesn't make since, you got turbo lag off the line with the SRT-4. I'm not real sure I've only ever driven an SRT-4 once and I didn't push it at all.

Simple. LSD. The SRT-4s have a standard limited slip, the Cobalt/Ion don't. That will get you off the line real good.

Hilg

 

[Joey D]

You can get the Ion with the LSD in the Competition package...and Chevy really needs to add it in the Cobalt because it needs it.

 

[Blackbird.]

Isn't it better for the car when exhaust has less restriction (no mufflers). It only has 2 resonators.

 

[Blackbird.]

You can get the Ion with the LSD in the Competition package...and Chevy really needs to add it in the Cobalt because it needs it.

Well... Did the Ion that you saw race the SRT-4 have this "Competition Package"?

 

[JNasty4G63]

JGTC is for Japanese cars...no?

No. There are MacF1s, Murcielagos, and 911s that race in there. Its just "Japanese" in the sense that it takes place there, for the most part. Not that all the cars are Japanese.

Hilg

 

[Blackbird.]

No. There are MacF1s, Murcielagos, and 911s that race in there. Its just "Japanese" in the sense that it takes place there, for the most part. Not that all the cars are Japanese.

Hilg

Don't for get Dodge/Chrysler with their Competition Coupe Viper. Or is it PVO?