Cockpit ''shake ''

[zqxwjv]

Realistic or not, I get eye-strain migranes using the cockpit view

Something that like this that causes physical problems for some players should be a priority for an upcoming patch. But this is Polyphony Digital, they either aren't listening or don't seem to care.

 

[WolfpackS2k]

People who complain at this have never actually been in a race car before, or even looked at the footage from one.
Headshake:
By Kaz (can't give you the exact quote but it's something like this) "After I've been in Nurburgring 24h I just felt I had to put the shake in the game" - From GT-TV Nurburgring 24h

The difference is, that when you're actually racing, you're in the car that is shaking and thus you're shaking as well. When you view the shaking on the TV screen playing the game you're not shaking up and down. So no, that's not realistic at all.👎

 

[AndyKosch]

The difference is, that when you're actually racing, you're in the car that is shaking and thus you're shaking as well. When you view the shaking on the TV screen playing the game you're not shaking up and down. So no, that's not realistic at all.👎

That may be true but your head does not shake in syncronisation with the car and shaking is very much there in real life lowered cars with stiff suspension.. like my old '96 prelude with koni coilovers, it was lowered 30mm front and back and had very stiff springs. Shaky as hell on normal roads even at only 100km/h.

 

[WolfpackS2k]

How would you know this, exactly? This entire thread is about how there's so much more to being in the driver's seat than meets the eye of the observer. Are you just using a post to ignorantly bash a sport that you don't like?

On topic, I wish GT5 would continue with the cockpit shake and make the driver's seat more like SHIFT. I love the immersion

Or it could be b/c NASCARs only turn in one direction and their speeds don't vary as greatly compared to other types of car racing. Thus, while their races are in some cases longer the primary g force on their body is in one direction, to the right. Whereas a Formula One driver is having his body torn apart by extreme G forces in every direction possible (well, not up or down ).

 

[DareDevyl]

There is the ability to use the Playstation Eye - according to the GT website under peripherals they state:

"Using the face tracking feature will enable you to move your point of view just with the movements of your head while driving."

I did try to get this working a while back but never really had it working properly. Anyone else had any luck? Might help the OP with the shakey shakey.

-DD

 

[maxpontiac]

Anyone else want an option to adjust the ''cockpit bop''?
I wish I could race the 24 hours of Le Mans using the fantastic cockpit view of my 908, but the cockpit shake gives me headaches after ten or so laps. Its so horrible, especially when taking corners the shake irritates me so much that I keep missing the apex.
It really makes me seasick.

And before some people say ''dood, cockpit view is only for the pros noob'' - I looooved Richard Burns rally and the cockpit view was fantastic, the shake was much smoother and realistic.
GT5 makes me feel like I have vibrators sticking in my ears.

I for one really like the cockpit shake. Others do not. Therefore an option would be ideal.

However, this shake sure beats the Fast and Furious look that Shift 2 gives you and the "Hollywood effects" planned for Forza 4:tdown:

 

[another_jakhole]

Something that like this that causes physical problems for some players should be a priority for an upcoming patch. But this is Polyphony Digital, they either aren't listening or don't seem to care.

Good God, you shouldn't even be allowed here. Just disgusting. What makes this guy think so highly of himself and his statements? Seriously, like why would he say that? He has no idea at all! what he's talking about. Phsyical Problems?!??!!?? Priority!?!!?!?!? Not Listening!?!?!??!

OK DUDE. 25,000 lives lost in a month and theres been another big aftershock in the past day. I really wish people would stop being selfish in the most disgusting ways possible.

I for one really like the cockpit shake. Others do not. Therefore an option would be ideal.

However, this shake sure beats the Fast and Furious look that Shift 2 gives you and the "Hollywood effects" planned for Forza 4:tdown:

Me too. I really don't understand how people are complaining and still think Kaz added a feature that shouldn't be in there when he barely found out about it something like 8 months before the release of GT5. Because most of you have no faith and don't know what Kaz stands for, I'll just have enough faith for all of us. He added it because it was important. Don't say 8 months isn't long enough to "perfect" a shake cam. Shaking/vibration would be unpredictable and depends on speed, as well, when going around corners. of course, suspension too.

 

[another_jakhole]

Do you guys like helmet cam in Shift 2? Is it more realistic, and does it do the motions that you wish GT5 would do in cockpit? Just curious. I don't have any problem with the shake myself but I wonder if the Shift 2 concept of cockpit/helmet/driver movements and physics is what you are talking about as far as realism?

It makes me want to jump out of the car. Shift2 is ulta-exaggerated. Every single detail is exaggerated. Tracks, cars, camera. It's nice to see we're not like that though.

 

[another_jakhole]

That may be true but your head does not shake in syncronisation with the car and shaking is very much there in real life lowered cars with stiff suspension.. like my old '96 prelude with koni coilovers, it was lowered 30mm front and back and had very stiff springs. Shaky as hell on normal roads even at only 100km/h.

thank youuuuuuuuuu

 

[freedomweasel]

Me too. I really don't understand how people are complaining and still think Kaz added a feature that shouldn't be in there when he barely found out about it something like 8 months before the release of GT5. Because most of you have no faith and don't know what Kaz stands for, I'll just have enough faith for all of us. He added it because it was important. Don't say 8 months isn't long enough to "perfect" a shake cam. Shaking/vibration would be unpredictable and depends on speed, as well, when going around corners. of course, suspension too.

Good lord man, he's a game designer, not a god. People get annoyed or get motion sick from it, and would like an option to turn it off. I don't think the guy needs people defending him online.

 

[another_jakhole]

Good lord man, he's a game designer, not a god. People get annoyed or get motion sick from it, and would like an option to turn it off. I don't think the guy needs people defending him online.

Lol i know man. He's just done so much ever since he started GT and people don't seem to know how great Kaz is. His passions are gaming and automobiles. I have so much respect for him because he's always strove to make a car simulator and so many people just don't understand that.

He's the antithesis of Turn 10, lets put it that way. And I have a "Buddha" statue of Kaz.

Agreed about the on/off. I just don't think it'll come. I have a hunch.

 

[OwensRacing]

Wonder why my previous nitrous gulping drag car that cut 1.4sec 60' times never shook me and hampered vision.

Wonder why the two retired dirt race car drivers I asked about shake and ability to focus. Said you always have focus. No matter what the car is doing. They elaborated.

This feature is not even close to reality.


To the Honda kid that claims his car "bounces" him into shaky vision. Please stop driving you have a medical condition of sorts.

I say this cause I have had lowered and do have a lowered Evo. Not even remotely close to ever losing vision. Not even when making boost coming out of a turn at 30psi with tires screaming for traction. Besides this car is slow compared to the previous straight line cars. So either way it's just not real.

You guys need to get your eyes checked or get into so racing.

As much as I would love to use cockpit the shake makes it unbearable and ruins all realism.

For god sakes I grew up on quads and watercraft too. Not one causes you to lose vision or focus.

Very sad when the inexperienced, under educated come with opinions.


Then again ignorance is bliss.

 

[OwensRacing]

Btw. I don't have any I'll feelings towards Kaz or anyone for that matter over this.

However it is obviously a unrefined feature. With some work could be a good thing.

I think making car and all move is cool. However if they could keep all outside features from moving this would be dang close.

 

[Tower Turn 13]

if they could keep all outside features from moving this would be dang close.

That's what I was asking if Shift 2 did (though most people apparently think the game is exaggerated crap--I don't know I've never played). I think that would be a good compromise between shake and the problems some have with it. The one thing I don't like that I've seen on previews is the blur thing. I want to see the dashboard whenever I want all the time. In GT5 I sometimes turn off the HUD stuff and it would be really annoying to hit the rev limiter because of screen blur.

 

[freedomweasel]

That's what I was asking if Shift 2 did (though most people apparently think the game is exaggerated crap--I don't know I've never played). I think that would be a good compromise between shake and the problems some have with it. The one thing I don't like that I've seen on previews is the blur thing. I want to see the dashboard whenever I want all the time. In GT5 I sometimes turn off the HUD stuff and it would be really annoying to hit the rev limiter because of screen blur.

In regular cockpit view there is much less shaking and blur compared to the helmet cam. I think you get a slight blur around 120mph or so, but I can still make out the tach on most of the cars, the sound usually gives you the hint of when to shift anyway though. Basically, the only times I can't see the tach&speedo are the times that I'm going fast enough that I'd crash if I looked.

I couldn't say for sure if it shakes more or less than GT5 though, as I haven't really been bothered by either. There is much more front to back motion under braking, but I don't think there is as much vibrating and shaking. If you dig around I bet there are some cockpit view videos up somewhere.

 

[playnthru]

This thread is pointless. Real cars shake.

 

[zqxwjv]

Good God, you shouldn't even be allowed here ...

You have quite a flair for the dramatic!

PD had several months prior to 3/11 to address player concerns if they chose to do so. With the exception of a few drama queens, most can discuss player concerns rationally, thankfully.

 

[ClassicMini]

I like it as it is, here is some reasons:

1. yes a car shakes heavily when rpm are more than 5000, think about a group b "car" at 250 kmph
Just focus on the road, not the interior, zooming the interior camera will help

2. the video with the cam on f1 drivers helmet shakes as much as the gt5, its the big difference in youtube resolution and 1080p that makes u think gt5 shakes more, notice how much more the f1 car shakes than the driver's head and he is driving in flat ground. Don't expect this in the Ring.

3. if there was a way to make your real head shake as much as in reality, then only a handful of martial arts or army guys could even be able to play the game in 200+ hp cars.

4. whether someone likes it or not, this simulates really. There are other games that are more towards what the gamer wants.

5. In endurance races, don't cry on the net, push the select button for an easier view, this is gt5-a game not some torture you must endure, just admit that ok, nice the inside view, not for LeMans...

 

[Tower Turn 13]

I found out today something way worse than your pitiful camera shake.

Drive an Audi R10 on Special Stage 7 in the snow. JESUS. If you like driving through the STARGATE in 2001, try this out. You will see your older self and your eyes will change colors!

Shake is child's play by comparison.

 

[OwensRacing]

I found out today something way worse than your pitiful camera shake.

Drive an Audi R10 on Special Stage 7 in the snow. JESUS. If you like driving through the STARGATE in 2001, try this out. You will see your older self and your eyes will change colors!

Shake is child's play by comparison.

Know what you mean. X2010 in the snow there. Warp speed! ! !

 

[charliec]

Wonder why my previous nitrous gulping drag car that cut 1.4sec 60' times never shook me and hampered vision.

Wonder why the two retired dirt race car drivers I asked about shake and ability to focus. Said you always have focus. No matter what the car is doing. They elaborated.

This feature is not even close to reality.


To the Honda kid that claims his car "bounces" him into shaky vision. Please stop driving you have a medical condition of sorts.

I say this cause I have had lowered and do have a lowered Evo. Not even remotely close to ever losing vision. Not even when making boost coming out of a turn at 30psi with tires screaming for traction. Besides this car is slow compared to the previous straight line cars. So either way it's just not real.

You guys need to get your eyes checked or get into so racing.

As much as I would love to use cockpit the shake makes it unbearable and ruins all realism.

For god sakes I grew up on quads and watercraft too. Not one causes you to lose vision or focus.

Very sad when the inexperienced, under educated come with opinions.


Then again ignorance is bliss.

Not sure if the "Honda kid" dig was aimed at me, but my point was that you can make your vision shake if you transfer enough motion to it. It's not that hard to do when your head is directly in contact with something that's shaking, especially with higher frequency vibrations. Regardless of what two retired dirt racers said, the human eyes can only compensate for a certain frequency and magnitude of movement, after that...your vision shakes.

Anyways, I don't recall ever reading anywhere that the cockpit view is supposed to simulate human vision. It's just the equivalent of a camera mounted to the helmet or something, which I think it does pretty accurately. It functions the same as every other camera in the game, just from a different location.

Closer to this:


than this:


Honestly I don't think either is that great. One has too much up-down motion, the other has too much forward-back motion. Neither looks like what I see when I drive.

 

[OwensRacing]

If it was to simulate a hard mounted camera. Then it is can make sense to an extent.

Just seems to make more sense to simulate what the driver actually sees with relevance to reality.

Here is just hoping something is patched on this. As mentioned it ruins the wonderfully modeled cockpit views for many racers.

 

[charliec]

If it was to simulate a hard mounted camera. Then it is can make sense to an extent.

Just seems to make more sense to simulate what the driver actually sees with relevance to reality.

Here is just hoping something is patched on this. As mentioned it ruins the wonderfully modeled cockpit views for many racers.

👍

Yeah I can't use it for any bumpy high speed courses (Nordeschliefe, Sarthe, etc). I'd love a good head tracking implementation and a better cockpit cam (and a nice multipanel display setup, but that's neither here nor there).

 

[AndyKosch]

Wonder why my previous nitrous gulping drag car that cut 1.4sec 60' times never shook me and hampered vision.

Wonder why the two retired dirt race car drivers I asked about shake and ability to focus. Said you always have focus. No matter what the car is doing. They elaborated.

This feature is not even close to reality.

To the Honda kid that claims his car "bounces" him into shaky vision. Please stop driving you have a medical condition of sorts.

I say this cause I have had lowered and do have a lowered Evo. Not even remotely close to ever losing vision. Not even when making boost coming out of a turn at 30psi with tires screaming for traction. Besides this car is slow compared to the previous straight line cars. So either way it's just not real.

You guys need to get your eyes checked or get into so racing.

As much as I would love to use cockpit the shake makes it unbearable and ruins all realism.

For god sakes I grew up on quads and watercraft too. Not one causes you to lose vision or focus.

Very sad when the inexperienced, under educated come with opinions.

Then again ignorance is bliss.

I don't lose focus or visibility, neither do i get motion sickness off any kind, the only time i even find the camera shake close to violent is during hard hard brakeing. I drive with the narrowest cockpit view angle.

 

[another_jakhole]

Wonder why my previous nitrous gulping drag car that cut 1.4sec 60' times never shook me and hampered vision.

Because the suspension. Why would that car have the worst suspension in the world? at least you asked real drivers. but i don't remember seeing crazy ass shaking in dirt races. i really don't remember seeing shaking.

 

[another_jakhole]

I don't lose focus or visibility, neither do i get motion sickness off any kind, the only time i even find the camera shake close to violent is during hard hard brakeing. I drive with the narrowest cockpit view angle.

That's what I was thinking. Turning and braking have to be made aggressively to notice a lot of shaking. otherwise it shouldn't even be considered shaking.

 

[another_jakhole]

I like it as it is, here is some reasons:

1. yes a car shakes heavily when rpm are more than 5000, think about a group b "car" at 250 kmph
Just focus on the road, not the interior, zooming the interior camera will help

2. the video with the cam on f1 drivers helmet shakes as much as the gt5, its the big difference in youtube resolution and 1080p that makes u think gt5 shakes more, notice how much more the f1 car shakes than the driver's head and he is driving in flat ground. Don't expect this in the Ring.

3. if there was a way to make your real head shake as much as in reality, then only a handful of martial arts or army guys could even be able to play the game in 200+ hp cars.

4. whether someone likes it or not, this simulates really. There are other games that are more towards what the gamer wants.

5. In endurance races, don't cry on the net, push the select button for an easier view, this is gt5-a game not some torture you must endure, just admit that ok, nice the inside view, not for LeMans...

Nice. Watching the Nurburgring comparison video made me notice something. That head cam in the real one is shakier than GT5 by a looooooong shot. I never noticed GT to be that bouncy on that first part in the video.

 

[another_jakhole]

Wonder why the two retired dirt race car drivers I asked about shake and ability to focus. Said you always have focus. No matter what the car is doing. They elaborated.

This feature is not even close to reality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoqZxjlRjTE

I was right. There isn't a crazy shake in rally. Why'd you even mention that to rally racers? They musta thought we were stupid. Go tell them otherwise before they think I'm stupid.

 

[OwensRacing]

Human eye and camera ate not close to the same.


That is the argument here. I agreed that is simulating a mounted camera is the goal then they did well. However I prefer to see what a driver would see with his two eyes.


Dirt track reference was world of Outlaws Late Models.

 

[mykem]

Unlike the one in SHIFT2. the movement in GT5 is more towards simulating the motion of the car/road as oppose to the driver's POV. Neither is wrong but personally I find it easier for my eyes to adjust to the fast and somewhat more fluid movement in GT5 than the the slow and somewhat uniform movement in SHIFT2 (non-helmet cam view). Of course, when it comes to the replay, I would hand my vote to the way SHIFT2 handle the cockpit view.

Human eye and camera ate not close to the same.


That is the argument here. I agreed that is simulating a mounted camera is the goal then they did well. However I prefer to see what a driver would see with his two eyes.


Dirt track reference was world of Outlaws Late Models.

Exactly. If our eyes were camera, it would be one that has a very sophisticated method of image stabilization. Of course, like everything else it varies depending on the person. Someone that handles rapid movement daily are more in tune than those unused to the motion. And to some degree congenital.