Combating forza 4

[Zoom!Zoom!]

Ironically, if GT5 had been better, you would be playing GT5 and not reading forums... thus resulting in just what you desire... not seeing his posts anymore

But alas that is not how it was to be!

I often visit a game's site while I'm playing a game (who plays a game 24/7?) but very seldom after I've done with it so your post makes less sense.

 

[KopparbergDave]

One thing I'd be worried about with PD is that indeed they might bring a Spec2 update with some new cars and tracks, but it'd be likely you have to grind and grind and grind before you can unlock them all again.... I'd not be into that, that would not be fun, I'd rather pay and just get the content than even if it was free but then had to be unlocked through gameplay...

 

[CarreraGT]

PD need to do something special or I'm trading the PS3 for an Xbox 360. With Forza 4 looking as good as it is, I'd be stupid not to.

An overhaul of the AI system, a few new cars/tracks and some new events would suffice, although even then I would probably end up buying an Xbox as well...

 

[JeffKill]

I've got both consoles and I've played every iteration of both titles. I probably won't be buying FM4 (I'll rent it from gamefly though). Reason being is the steering wheel. This is the first GT I've played with a wheel and I couldn't imagine going back to a pad to play the game. If FM4 doesn't support the DFGT or other wheels, thus requiring me to purchase the Microsoft wheel I probably won't be buying it and I'll just stick with GT.

That being said...there is a small chance that car porn that will be all over the internet when FM4 is released might convince me to buy the Microsoft wheel. :x

The MS wheel was awful with FM3. So bad that I preferred to play with a controller over it. Hoping I can get sorted with a Fanatec wheel for FM4, otherwise I'll be stuck playing with a controller again. Would definitely be nice if MS would support the Logitech wheels.

 

[Daverytimes]

Wait a minute here.

When you guys say GT5 Spec II are you meaning that if PD put out a seperate game sort of like prologue called GT 5 Spec II and put in 24 tracks that should already be in GT5 and tossed in a few premium models that should already be in GT5, additional ASpec events that should already be in GT5, fast forward and rewind in replays that should already be in GT5 you would be pleased and buy that game? Doesn't that sound crazy to you?

I'm not a hater, or a fanboy, I have both systems, and both games (FM3, and GT5) I like them both, but the only way GT5 is going to combat anything is to release an update, not no damn DLC, but an update, that swaps over some of these standard cars into premiums and changes the garbage ASpec.

The simple fact that GT5 (a new game that came out in November of 2010) is being compared to FM3 (a game that came out in October of 2009) is silly, there shouldn't be any comparing, it should be pure and utter domination on GT5's part, and it's a total shame that it isn't.

Just from that leaked footage video showing a few features and some minor content of the new Forza game if Turn 10 just does a halfway decent job of putting this game together it's going to crush GT5 and any other game out guys, denying that is simply crazy talk, fanboy or not.

For people who don't have an XBOX I get it, but for people with both consoles, you'd be a fool to not go to Forza 4 if it's done HALF as well as GT5.

I know this is a matter of opinion...

That first paragraph sounds very foolish and childish of you. If you put it that way then no game should ever receive DLC because with your logic "It should have been their in the beginning". But like you said it's a matter of opinion.








DAVE

I hope forza 4 gets you busy enough so i dont have to read your posts anymore

👍👍

 

[kimi123]

I hope forza 4 gets you busy enough so i dont have to read your posts anymore

Well said. I just

 

[Lil Ape]

PD will have to make a lot of changes and additions to even be on the same level as forza.

 

[Antonisbob]

PD should defiantly make use of the Drift mode in A-spec. Have other AI drifting, or try to beat other AI's drift's. 👍

 

[Villain]

*Clicks on GT5 Section*
*Wonders why there's another thread about Forza*

 

[porsche 9146]

Some questions...
If some of you guys love Forza so much and only can say that GT sucks in one way or in another (which I'm not saying is not true), why:
1) Are you still playing GT? Videogames are not like football teams ya!
2) Why don't you just go play Forza, if is so much better (I'm not saying that it is/isn't)
3) WTF are you doing on a Gran Turismo site bothering other people with things that they are sick of reading? GT sucks, standart cars, stupid editor bla bla bla...
Can somebody create a Forzaplanet.net PLEASE!!!!

I play GT because it's a great series that provides me with cars, tracks and features that I cannot experience in forza, despite still playing FM3 more often. I do play forza quite often, I don't know why you'd assume that I wouldn't. I came onto a GT forum because I like to hear news about a car game that I also enjoy.

video games are not black-and-white, y'know. it's not wrong to like multiple games in a genre.

 

[sandboxgod]

Naw PD unfortunately isn't threatened by Forza whatsoever. I can tell you why in two words:

Racing Wheels

Xbox 360 is barren, desolate, and hostile to racing wheels. Only 2 choice is Fanatec GT2 (like $500 with clubsports, $300 with standard pedals or shifter) & Mad Catz Mc2 (cheap, no shifter, no FFB, & vastly inferior to a budget Logitech DFGT in every way possible from what I can tell).

Think bout it- GT5/PS3 has an abundance of racing accessories. Surely GT5 outsells Forza 3 by a wide margin? Why would PD be worried??? I wish PD was worried. I do. Forza 3 is a superior 'game' (but not superior sim due to physics and wheels).

All you got on xbox 360 is a Fanatec GT2. They got a monopoly on that market. They can charge what they want and make you wait for many months for their products.

If you want the full experience, you will want a racing game on PS3. GT5 fits that bill for many

So what does PD have to do to fight Forza 4?? Nothing, sadly not a darn thing. I wish PD would be threatened and sparked into action. I really do!

 

[kimi123]

I agree if they fear their fans will stop supporting them and go and play games likes NFS, Codemasters, Forza then they will act swiftly. But I think they know what they are doing next and how to make it better.

DLC, some updates or announcing GT5 SpecII or GT6P. That's all I can think of

 

[VQuick]

Turn10 tried very hard last year to steal attention from GT5 with the release of FM3 Platinum Hits Edition. It included all the DLC they had released, along with some additional exclusive content(more cars, and video). It was set to launch the last week of October, a week before GT5's original release date.

Problem was, owners of FM3 had no access to this additional content. They couldn't buy it, even if they wanted to, without essentially purchasing the game all over again. Some fans were really turned off by this.


I see no reason why PD couldn't try to do something similar for the launch of FM4 and release some new content. Lets just hope their execution of the idea works out.

They did it in a stupid way so i didnt buy it. They made a total of 13 new cars. 10 of which you could get in a dlc and the other 3 you actually had to buy the ultimate edition of the game. Yup buy the game you already have again. No thanks.

Well i bought it i got about 160 new cars + some Unicorn cars i dont know where you get your information.

Again, the Platinum Hits edition of FM3 that you purchased included:
*all of the monthly DLC released by T10
*10 additional cars advertised as new, but some were repeats with liveries
*A Top Gear video
*Three additional new cars advertised as a 'Stig's Garage Pack.' They aren't the unicorn cars, btw.

That's great for you, but for others like JoeMa and myself who already had the game and likely most if not all of the DLC, it was a bit of a 'So what?' To make matters worse, we could not buy the extra content separately. Like JoeMa said, we would have had to buy the Platinum Hits just like you did, which would mean buying the game all over again.

Turn10 mishandled things by not making the content available as DLC, especially after setting the community up with a 'We've got big news for you guys!' announcement. It really didn't matter to the community at all, because they already had the game.

We're just hoping that if PD tries to release some new content to steal attention from FM4, that their execution of the plan will be better than Turn10's.

 

[pantherjag]

Jings crivens!!!!!! Some people dont half get on their high horse a bit to easily on these forums!!!

Contary to believe of a minority off people that have posted here the aim off this thread was not to start a gran turismo versus forza debate but simply to discuss what PD may have in store as an answer to forza 4 coming out. The thread was borne from myself and 5-6 other GT5 players having a similar discussion on an online session so therefore i thought it would be a relevant discussion to have on a GT5 website with a GT5 discussion forum.

Gladly the majority off people have understood the nature of the title off the thread, the content and discussed it relevantly rather than making smart comments like "dont make it a war" or "its not a disease" etc............wont name names but they know who they are and most likely never read the original post nor the thread where they would have realised that the thread has not descended into a "GT v Forza". If it had im pretty sure the moderators would have put the brakes on because this forum has enough threads like that already.

Finally id just like to add that i normally wouldnt type a post like this and would just ignore such negative posts but since im up a 5 in the morn with my 18 month old and pretty tired and grumpy iv just decided that some folk need to know there being numpty's lol

As said this only applies to a small minority off posters rather than the majority who have stayed on topic(mostly lol)

 

[Villain]

@pantherjag - that's why you don't start a thread like this one. It happens like this every time.

 

[pantherjag]

@pantherjag - that's why you don't start a thread like this one. It happens like this every time.

Trust me mate lesson learned lol!!!!!

 

[Dragunov]

Ironically, if GT5 had been better, you would be playing GT5 and not reading forums... thus resulting in just what you desire... not seeing his posts anymore

But alas that is not how it was to be!

I´m reading GT5 forums because i´m still playing this half-assed game not the other way

On-topic: I'm not sure if Kaz an company even realized that there's other racing games out there, if anything they have to combat Forza 3 because as a whole game is probably better.

 

[Moglet]

If you have both consoles you have 1.) Too much money. 2.) Too much time. 3.) No life.

Oh dear......jealous much?

 

[JoeMaPampang]

That first paragraph sounds very foolish and childish of you. If you put it that way then no game should ever receive DLC because with your logic "It should have been their in the beginning". But like you said it's a matter of opinion.

DAVE

👍👍

Dude it actually makes a lot of sense.

Again, the Platinum Hits edition of FM3 that you purchased included:
*all of the monthly DLC released by T10
*10 additional cars advertised as new, but some were repeats with liveries
*A Top Gear video
*Three additional new cars advertised as a 'Stig's Garage Pack.' They aren't the unicorn cars, btw.

That's great for you, but for others like JoeMa and myself who already had the game and likely most if not all of the DLC, it was a bit of a 'So what?' To make matters worse, we could not buy the extra content separately. Like JoeMa said, we would have had to buy the Platinum Hits just like you did, which would mean buying the game all over again.

Turn10 mishandled things by not making the content available as DLC, especially after setting the community up with a 'We've got big news for you guys!' announcement. It really didn't matter to the community at all, because they already had the game.

We're just hoping that if PD tries to release some new content to steal attention from FM4, that their execution of the plan will be better than Turn10's.

i agree their was a lot of **** on the Forza forum about this. But when i finally bought my copy it was worth every penny i paid for it.

-btw i never said the Stig's carpack were Unicorns
-I did receive about 30 gift cars together with 6 unicorn cars on top of the new 150+ cars. that makes this game 550 cars.

 

[kollosson]

I think Kaz was not ready to release GT5 and needed more time, however it just had to come out because it was starting to get a bit silly. So i think they made the game playable knowing they can add to it and tweak it which is exactly what is happening.
I think, if there is a huge update we will have GT5 as Kaz wanted it on release.
I'm hoping anyway

 

[bSUPERSPORT]

Oh dear......jealous much?

No.. it is a legitimate assumption.

 

[Mubble]

And i draw out my "course editor" card(never played forza3, so tell me if im wrong), followed by my "photomode" card, and top it off, with my "seasonal events" card. Is that z royal flush or what? Haha.

Mubble's in a Muddle, You just gave one example, therefore ill reluctantly just give two.
1. You can spent time taking pictures which is actually not bad considering how good the graphics are,
2. Would be the track editor; self explanatory really.
These are non racing aspects too

FM3 has a photomode too.

Track editor in GT5 - too limited in its options, locations, customisation to be considered a long-term attraction in the game.

I agree that the seasonal events help with the game's longevity.

 

[bSUPERSPORT]

FM3 has a photomode too.

Track editor in GT5 - too limited in its options, locations, customisation to be considered a long-term attraction in the game.

I agree that the seasonal events help with the game's longevity.

I hope you do because you was starting to fall in the deep end there. But seriously what do you want to create, Alice in wonderland? you can still create satisfactory tracks

 

[GTWelsh]

Photo mode in gt5 can be photo realistic.
Doubt forza can do that. Although I don't actally know myself. Never had the need to get it.
I do know forza in game graphics suck.
Everyone I know has said forza is easy compared to gt5. Which is good for gt5.
Gt5 uses the same physics model for drifting and racing. Because its a good one. Forza can't do that.
I imagine forza 4 will have better track list. Car list. Mod list. Feature list. But will have different physics for drifting and racing still. Because the model is crap.
Graphics will be ok. Probably have to many effects to compensate for poor in game rendering.
But will look nice.
Damage will be good also I bet.
Gt5 will still be the more pure game. The more realistic. The game of choice for sim racers that want better graphics.
But forza 4 will definitely be a better GAME, by a long way.

On subject, gt5 needs more features that go around the nice "base" it has. It looks like a completely and utterly amazing UNFINISHED game.

 

[Mubble]

I hope you do because you was starting to fall in the deep end there. But seriously what do you want to create, Alice in wonderland? you can still create satisfactory tracks

You're being silly now.

Starting to fall in the deepend? lol. Not even close son.

My opinion is my opinion. I played GT5 every day for the first 3 months. Now, I only log in once a week. I've completed all but the endurance events, created half a dozen tracks, collected all the cars I want. Now there's little to do. This isn't just my opinion, it's common throughout the forum. If there was a livery editor I could spend time off the track being creative. If the track editor had more depth I could recreate classic tracks from around the world. If there was a store front / auction house, I could look at and purchase other people's uniquely-liveried creations. As it stands, I just wait for new seasonal events and occasionally check the used car lot and take part in the odd organised race. The game has become 'meh'.

Here's hoping updates in the coming months add some good new content.

 

[ZSPaulus]

Photo mode in gt5 can be photo realistic.
Doubt forza can do that. Although I don't actally know myself. Never had the need to get it.
I do know forza in game graphics suck.
Everyone I know has said forza is easy compared to gt5. Which is good for gt5.
Gt5 uses the same physics model for drifting and racing. Because its a good one. Forza can't do that.
I imagine forza 4 will have better track list. Car list. Mod list. Feature list. But will have different physics for drifting and racing still. Because the model is crap.
Graphics will be ok. Probably have to many effects to compensate for poor in game rendering.
But will look nice.
Damage will be good also I bet.
Gt5 will still be the more pure game. The more realistic. The game of choice for sim racers that want better graphics.
But forza 4 will definitely be a better GAME, by a long way.

On subject, gt5 needs more features that go around the nice "base" it has. It looks like a completely and utterly amazing UNFINISHED game.

Sorry; i have to dissagree;
I own and have played both games extensivly.

Graphics:
Yes the premium cars look a lot better. But the tracks, environments and standard cars all look less good then they do in FM3. Adding to that the fact that FM3 has no screentears, no jagged edges, no framerate drops, no shadowbugs, very few environmental glitches; makes me say; the graphics (except for the premium models) are better in FM3.

forza is easy compared to gt5
Forza can be made as easy or as difficult as you want it to be. A nice comparison: when you need to do a rece in FM3 where you need to drive the same (stock!) car as your apponents and the difficulty level is set to hard; you need some (serious) skills to get to the front of the pack. In gt5 i would easily win all of those races because of the terrible AI drivers. Now im not saying the AI in FM3 was all that, but they were better then in gt5. So; in my opinion gt5 was easier. I do admit that FM3 does not have stuff like the vettel challenges that really require some serious skill..


Conclusion: we all have stuff we like, and stuff we dont like in FM3 and GT5. Fact is i like to enjoy both games... But there is a lot of room for improvement in both games...

 

[MNLumberjack]

You're looking at this all wrong.
First, anyone who said I'm not buying a console, right on, plus for those of use who use wheels would need a the xbox wheel not to mention live.
Second, dirt 3 comes out in may, but its outside weather already so come next fall I'm playing dirt 3 not spending somewhere upwards of $500 to play forza 4

 

[Willfred_1]

i was thinking:
as the stores open we use a mortar barrage to stun and destroy.
then use the calvary to flank them and attack from where they least expect it (behind)
then move in the tanks and light infantry to finish them off .
then release the mother of all updates to create gt5 vII
the plan commences at 6am sharp
is this what u were thinking of when u say 'combating'

 

[MNLumberjack]

i was thinking:
as the stores open we use a mortar barrage to stun and destroy.
then use the calvary to flank them and attack from where they least expect it (behind)
then move in the tanks and light infantry to finish them off .
then release the mother of all updates to create gt5 vII
the plan commences at 6am sharp
is this what u were thinking of when u say 'combating'

Um mornings aren't good for me.
So I'm in if we can start early afternoon, or late night. Maybe hit a midnight release if there is one.

 

[Willfred_1]

^^
sure or we could just set up a mg so when they Que up we mow them down and then use the plan for the rest