Corporate Influence

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KrazyM82 nothing you've said really makes any sense. PD can bang out a new round of seasonals in less than a week. All they have to do for the Academy is make one time trial, every few weeks. One of the PD devs could probably do that before his morning coffee.

Nissan is a sponsor. They aren't standing over PD's shoulder telling them what to do. If that's what you think sponsors do then you should take a marketing course.

Yes, Im sure they are not standing over their shoulder, and they don't have to. I'm sure PD has to HONOR the contract / agreement they have with Nissan.
 
Man! It's not Nissan's fault. Show me proof that they told PD to remove races and force the players to grind. You need to get your head checked.

Yes, I would like to see proof too!
If you could show me proof that Nissan didn't influence PD. As it is with any other argument,

show me the proof.

Regardless, I, already said it's PD's fault ultimately, but, because of Nissan's agenda.
 
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What effing contract? PD designed the game, not Nissan.

PD planned out the event structure, not Nissan.

PD is issuing out the patches, not Nissan.

Do you see the trend here? Nissan. Doesn't. Have. Any. Involvement.
 
Next he's gonna tell us Minolta paid PD to make the 88-C a grind car. Somehow the people that make various parts for the PS3 and the Sri Lankan government have something to do with it.

KrazyM82, you're living up to your name. You are a crazy mate. When you come in with wild theories, you need to back them up with sources. If you can't produce facts from reliable sources then people aren't going to believe you. That's how it works in the real world.
 
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What effing contract? PD designed the game, not Nissan.

PD planned out the event structure, not Nissan.

PD is issuing out the patches, not Nissan.

Do you see the trend here? Nissan. Doesn't. Have. Any. Involvement.

so,
your answer is PD, then. Thanks.
 
I'll agree that Nissan played influence in the game design, so did every other manufacturer. Unless you want a game full of X2010's and fantasy tracks there will be corporate influence.

Would you still have an issue if it were the Honda GT Academy? How about the Lotus GT Academy?
 
I'll agree that Nissan played influence in the game design, so did every other manufacturer. Unless you want a game full of X2010's and fantasy tracks there will be corporate influence.

Would you still have an issue if it were the Honda GT Academy? How about the Lotus GT Academy?

I probably would, since PD would most likely make a grinding game just the same.
 
I probably would, since PD would most likely make a grinding game just the same.

Your really mad at PD but are blaming Nissan?

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go complain to PD that Nissan makes a hideous thing known as the Juke.
 
I think it's PDs fault ultimately but, the way I see it, Nissan (being a BIG sponsor) wanted a driver(s), so PD made a grinding game to see who the best grinder is for Nissan.

That's not true. Nissan bought a rubber band company and is looking for the strongest rubber band to use to build their next car so they made a grinding game for field rubber band testing. Why else would they put an Indy Dream Car race that can be beaten by using rubber band and a X1? You can win that race just perfectly by seconds. Seems to me it's per design.

Increase rubber band sales also increase their revenue. It's a win-win situation.
 
This thread is great. Failing to see how the person who can spend the most time grinding/racing at Indy has any influence on how Nissan picks their next driver. :lol:
 
Then why is NISSAN in the, Nissan GT Academy?
Because maybe Polyphony came up with the idea of the GT Academy and so approached various car maunfacturers to sponsor it. The nature of the competition dictates that all players must use the same car in order to keep things fair, so having them use a car made by the sponsor is a natural extension of that.

The suggestion that Nissan somehow influenced the content of the game and the development process and can therefore be held accountable for its shortcomings is ridiculous.
 
Then why is NISSAN in the, Nissan GT Academy? Maybe for good looks, huh?

Why is there a barcode on the back of every GT5 sold? It's certainly not for the look. There is 666 code imbedded in every barcode on every product sold in America. It's the Mark of the Beast. GT5 is sponsored by Satan himself!!!

It all comes together now. How else would people grind willingly? We are under control!!!
 
and except for famine's response, I'm wondering if anyone is going to actually answer my question.

Yes, Nice.
I was trying to narrow it down though.

What wasn't specific enough about the answer "Sixty"? Would you like the names of them all?

Yes, I would like to see proof too!
If you could show me proof that Nissan didn't influence PD. As it is with any other argument,

You cannot prove non-existence.

I assert that there is an invisible, green violin on your head - only you can't feel it because it has antigravity, inertial compensating and phase shift technology. I know I am right because you cannot prove that you don't have an invisible, green violin on your head that you cannot feel.

Doesn't work, does it?

You need to prove your assertion that Nissan has influenced PD to create a game structure for Sony's biggest PS3 title that most people won't enjoy and which will lose Sony sales in order to find a novice driver for a privately-run racing team that has to be paid by Nissan rather than a professional driver bringing thousands of pounds of sponsorship money with him which will ultimately not benefit PD, Sony or Nissan, which is a big risk for RJN Motorsport and which only benefits the one guy who wins - and then only in the first stages of his driving career. It's not up to anyone else to disprove it.

Incidentally, I've attended a GT Academy final. There was no-one from Nissan - not even Nissan UK, based in Sunderland - present, just the staff of Silverstone, representatives of a public relations company called Jardine International and several personnel from Sony Computer Entertainment Europe, including the European Brand Manager Penrose Tackie. Hope this helps.


And, more importantly, what does GTP have to do with it all, to put this in our Site Feedback forum?
 
And, more importantly, what does GTP have to do with it all, to put this in our Site Feedback forum?
Simple: he has an audience here.

Regardless, I, already said it's PD's fault ultimately, but, because of Nissan's agenda.
And what agenda would that be? What would Nissan possibly stand to gain by forcing Polyphony to deliver a game of overall lower quality than they normally would?
 
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Who said anything about comparing an actual endurance racer to video game players?

You did.
I think it's PDs fault ultimately but, the way I see it, Nissan (being a BIG sponsor) wanted a driver(s), so PD made a grinding game to see who the best grinder is for Nissan.

Don't get me wrong I think using the game to find a driver is genius, but not at the expense of GT fans


and who said professional drivers don't play video games?

Nobody said that, infact we have a few on GTPlanet. I'd like you to point out in any of my posts where I said that no professional racing drivers play video games.
 
How do I put this in GT5 Q&A? does a mod need to do it?

and answers are comming. I'm at work right now and can't spend a lot of time.
 
Rub the GTP genie lamp. Though he doesn't work weekends (he's got a weekend job at Nissan), so you're screwed for another 36 hours.
 
How about writing a stern letter to Nissan?

Let them know what the deal is, stop 🤬 with our games.
 
How do I put this in GT5 Q&A? does a mod need to do it?
A mod needs to do it. This was originally in Q&A, but it was moved out because it was in the wrong subforum. It's unlikely it will be put back.

and answers are comming. I'm at work right now and can't spend a lot of time.
Does anybody else have an image of KrazyM82 dressed all in black in the middle of the night and crouched behind a crate of soemthing that smells fishy? Holding a small torch in his mouth, he quickly rifles through the pages of a manila folder stamped with a big red CONFIDENTIAL across the front. Sweat starts to bead on his brow as he can hear the sounds of German Shepherds barking as they search for him. He flicks the torch off and holds his breath as an armed guard races past, oblivious to his presence. In a moment of silence, KrazyM82 breaks cover, running across the pier at a crouch to a shipping container. He peers around the corner, giving him a clear view of the inside of a brightly-lit warehouse. Kazunori Yamauchi is there, being held at gunpoint by a group of armed heavies. KrazyM82 whips out his camera, using the telephoto lens to zoom in on the suit commanding the thugs. A corporate body from Nissan. He rattles off a dozen pictures of the scene, before shouts arise from behind him. He's been made. The thugs in the warehouse instantly turn their attention away from the hapless Yamauchi, and the chase begins. KrazyM82 scrambles through the docks, running in a zig-zag pattern to make it harder for his pursuers tocatch up with him. He stumbles and drops the camera, destroying whatever proof he had of the transaction. Picking himself up, he resumes his flight, weaving around the abandoned warehouses and shipping containers before he gets to the edge of the pier. Without a second thought, he launches himself off it in a graceful dive into the dark waters below, before swimming towards the inflatably dinghy that he used to get here, tied up under the pier. It's not there. In his panic, he looks around for it. The light of a passing tugboat betrays its silhouette, tied up under the next pier over - in his haste to get back to his boat, KrazyM82 has dived off the wrong pier. He now has to swim the fifty metres to the boat, but the guards and the dogs are marshalling on the pier above him, commanded by the corporate suit from Nissan. KrazyM82 has no choice; he starts to swim out from under the pier. Automatic gunfire opens up straight away, and he dives under the surface. He's seen enough Jason Bourne movies to know that bullets lose their velocity in two feet of water. He surfaces for breath and instantly feels the thwip! of a bullet as it just misses him. That was too close. Taking a deep breath, he dips back under the water and keeps swimming for the boat, surfacing once more for air. The bullets are less of a danger now; the darkness obscures him and the tide is coming in, meaning heavier waves move him about. He finally makes it to the boat and ungracefully hauls himself over the side. Regretfully, he starts the boat up. His camera is lost, and the documents that led him here destoryed by his swim. But it is too dangerous to go back now. The boat's motor catches life, and he steers himself out from under the pier and races away into the dark night. His next destination: the forums, to share what he has seen. He has no proof to substantiate his claims, but who would make up a story like this?
 
heres a link

http://www.carpages.co.uk/nissan/nissan-playstation-06-05-08.asp

I'll focus on the part that says,

"GT Academy builds on the long-standing partnership between PlayStation and Nissan that began with Nissan working with Gran Turismo developers Polyphony Digital. Nissan provided vehicles, racing drivers and feedback to help perfect the game’s ultra-realistic driving simulation.

Roles were reversed in 2007 when Nissan called upon Polyphony Digital to design the interface for the onboard computer for the GT-R, Nissan’s new supercar. The ‘multifunction meter’ provides drivers with updates on the car’s performance and systems – a collaboration recognised as a motoring industry first. In the latest game, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue on PLAYSTATION®3 (PS3™), Nissan’s GT-R joins a garage filled with 71 dream cars including seven other top Nissan sports cars"

heres another link,

http://www.gaming-age.com/news/2010/11/16-37

again, I'll focus on,

"Sony Computer Entertainment America LLC (SCEA) and Polyphony Digital Inc., in collaboration with Nissan North America, announced today the opportunity of a lifetime for gaming and racing enthusiasts -- the debut of the GT Academy in the U.S. Starting December 20th, fans can compete in Gran Turismo 5 exclusively on the PlayStation 3 (PS3) for a chance to make dreams of becoming a race driver with a professional team a reality. Registration for the GT Academy competition begins on December 6th, and fans who think they have what it takes can find more information about the program at: http://us.gran-turismo.com/. "

more links to follow.
 
heres a link

http://www.carpages.co.uk/nissan/nissan-playstation-06-05-08.asp

I'll focus on the part that says,

"GT Academy builds on the long-standing partnership between PlayStation and Nissan that began with Nissan working with Gran Turismo developers Polyphony Digital. Nissan provided vehicles, racing drivers and feedback to help perfect the game’s ultra-realistic driving simulation.

Roles were reversed in 2007 when Nissan called upon Polyphony Digital to design the interface for the onboard computer for the GT-R, Nissan’s new supercar. The ‘multifunction meter’ provides drivers with updates on the car’s performance and systems – a collaboration recognised as a motoring industry first. In the latest game, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue on PLAYSTATION®3 (PS3™), Nissan’s GT-R joins a garage filled with 71 dream cars including seven other top Nissan sports cars"

heres another link,

http://www.gaming-age.com/news/2010/11/16-37

again, I'll focus on,

"Sony Computer Entertainment America LLC (SCEA) and Polyphony Digital Inc., in collaboration with Nissan North America, announced today the opportunity of a lifetime for gaming and racing enthusiasts -- the debut of the GT Academy in the U.S. Starting December 20th, fans can compete in Gran Turismo 5 exclusively on the PlayStation 3 (PS3) for a chance to make dreams of becoming a race driver with a professional team a reality. Registration for the GT Academy competition begins on December 6th, and fans who think they have what it takes can find more information about the program at: http://us.gran-turismo.com/. "

more links to follow.

You poor fool. I'll start at the bottom, PD collaborated with Nissan to make the GT Academy, NOT GT5.

Explain to me how you can model driving physics without the help of a manufacturer or industry experts.

I don't qualify anything you've said as evidence. When you can provide me concrete evidence that Nissan told PD to do something or else, you're just trying to manipulate words.
 
This thread is giving me diabetes.

Please, for the love of God, stop posting and making yourself look ridiculously stupid.
 
hers a link,

http://www.techday.co.nz/gameconsole/news/over-6000-nzers-enter-gt-academy/15160/

and I'll focus on,

"The competition, a collaboration between Nissan and PlayStation, aims to uncover a real-world racing talent from the virtual-racing world of Gran Turismo."

Here's another,

http://www.fullboost.com.au/news.php?newsId=2210

quote,
"Nissan and Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) have joined forces again to bring gaming and motor sport fans the ultimate racing competition. GT Academy 2010 will go live on 17 December, 2009 and will use the virtual world of the new PlayStation® Gran Turismo®5 game to find a real-world racing driver. The stakes are high, with an intensive race training programme and a season-long drive in a full race-spec Nissan 370Z in the European GT4 Cup as the ultimate prize. Also announced today is the first time involvement of Australia and New Zealand.

GT Academy 2010 is the second instalment of this incredible competition. In 2008/09, Lucas Ordoñez, a 23-year-old Spanish student, graduated from his PlayStation®3 (PS3TM) console to become a full-on racing driver via the GT Academy. Lucas is living proof that the answer to the question posed by PlayStation and Nissan - “can the world of virtual racing unearth a real racing talent?” - was a resounding “yes”.
After a debut in the Dubai International 24 Hour race alongside former F1 driver Johnny Herbert, Lucas teamed-up with British driver Alex Buncombe to campaign a Nissan 350Z. Driving for the RJN Motorsport GT Academy team, the pair took part in the full European GT4 Cup season, mostly run alongside the prestigious FIA GT series. Their stunning performances included two race wins and two second-place finishes that left them an agonisingly close second in the drivers’ classification, but winners of the Teams’ Championship.

The success of Nissan and PlayStations’ ‘experiment’ spurred them on to make GT Academy 2010 even bigger and better. The competition falls into four main stages:

Now, if you need more proof,
I'll have to get access to Nissan's and Polyphony Digital's legal documents and some videos of their conferences/board meetings, which might take me a while, so be patient.
 
You poor fool. I'll start at the bottom, PD collaborated with Nissan to make the GT Academy, NOT GT5.

Explain to me how you can model driving physics without the help of a manufacturer or industry experts.

I don't qualify anything you've said as evidence. When you can provide me concrete evidence that Nissan told PD to do something or else, you're just trying to manipulate words.

nice name calling.
 
I think it's PDs fault ultimately but, the way I see it, Nissan (being a BIG sponsor) wanted a driver(s), so PD made a grinding game to see who the best grinder is for Nissan.

It's not 'grinder', it's hotlapper. Grinding is a different thing all together. If you don't know the difference between the two then how can you expect to be taken seriously.

Hotlapping came about in GT1 (1998). Two lap races, whereby the first lap was the warm up, the second was the hot lap.

 
Now, if you need more proof,
I'll have to get access to Nissan's and Polyphony Digital's legal documents and some videos of their conferences/board meetings, which might take me a while, so be patient.
More proof is needed. So far, all you have managed to do is demonstrate that Nissan and Polyphony worked together. You have shonw no evidence of your initial claims, that Nissan influenced the content of the actual game by having events removed and forcing players to grind for experience.
 
More proof is needed. So far, all you have managed to do is demonstrate that Nissan and Polyphony worked together. You have shonw no evidence of your initial claims, that Nissan influenced the content of the actual game by having events removed and forcing players to grind for experience.

The fact that they worked together, implies influencing of the game content. I think they influenced PD to the point that, PD focused on the online content in order to find Nissan their drivers and in doing so, PD neglected the off line content.
Working together implies influencing does it not? If you work with someone to achieve a goal, does that person not influence the outcome? Nissan is not the only manufacturer to blame, I understand that, but in PD's case they focused on one part of the game, which detracts from the game as a whole. PD focused on the sponsors agenda at the expense of the rest of the game.
 
The fact that they worked together, implies influencing of the game content. I think they influenced PD to the point that, PD focused on the online content in order to find Nissan their drivers and in doing so, PD neglected the off line content.
Working together implies influencing does it not? If you work with someone to achieve a goal, does that person not influence the outcome? Nissan is not the only manufacturer to blame, I understand that, but in PD's case they focused on one part of the game, which detracts from the game as a whole. PD focused on the sponsors agenda at the expense of the rest of the game.

Again, without real proof that Nissan forced PD to make users grind, your claims are a joke.
 
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