"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[JoeyLeonine]

So I tied on a Wooly Bugger and went in with a bow cast, with out much success. I figured they were down a bit deeper, so I changed to a nymph and watched the nice graceful arc of the line unwind as it gently alighted upon the water. Suddenly the quiet is shattered as the line slips through my hand and erupts in a spray of water, punctuated by the banshee wail of the reel as the line peels off! It truly is a great time for the Hatch .

I could read your posts all day.

I apologised to the guy I punted (he was easy to pick because he was the only other R8). He apologised back, which I don't understand. He didn't do anything wrong, it was all on me . Another day above DR 1 .

Common courtesy will hide a multitude of racing inadequacies. It's the little things that go a long way to making a disappointing and frustrating race result feel a bit easier to take

That being said, I do enjoy a bit of post-race salt, especially when there's actually no one to blame... even if I plead guilty on that on myself

 

[Mr P]

Man this RBJ is the most fun I've had in long time in this game. No need to struggle horible understeer.

Race C Qualy
Optimum 1:59.9xx atm. Best lap 2:00.447.

Great lap keep pushing!! Here's an onboard vid of my best lap from last night maybe you can see something different to make use of.. I hope to beat this lap tonight when I go back.. another couple of tenths for me to get 👍 GL with it

 

[Qyn]

race b:
its difficult to race against that porshe, it clearly its faster and at the moment I'm bored with the R8(which is also very fast).
Atenza is fast but its so fun drive the McLaren 650S - but its hard to control and maybe not so fast.

Have you tried the mustang yet, or is it not competitive at higher DR? I picked it because I did a livery for it lol. I'm currently low B, but lately I've thrown DR to the wind. I'm only racing now to test my racecraft as well as everyone else around me lol.

I had about 5 or 6 great close door to door, bumper to bumper races last night in Race B. Got sandwiched between two people talking about a rematch between the two of them, so naturally I threw myself on the mix lol. One even commented "I don't know how we didn't wreck the whole race lol". Hope today is just as fun.

 

[jaquelinesv]

Have you tried the mustang yet, or is it not competitive at higher DR? I picked it because I did a livery for it lol. I'm currently low B, but lately I've thrown DR to the wind. I'm only racing now to test my racecraft as well as everyone else around me lol.

I had about 5 or 6 great close door to door, bumper to bumper races last night in Race B. Got sandwiched between two people talking about a rematch between the two of them, so naturally I threw myself on the mix lol. One even commented "I don't know how we didn't wreck the whole race lol". Hope today is just as fun.

i think brands hatch needs good gearing, like porsche, r8 and maybe the corvette c7, so maybe the mustang can fit here, and it is not a meta car! not sure how i ended in group a, i think play to much.

 

[dlshearon]

@jaquelinesv the Mustang is a sleeper, might not get the win but for sure competitive. I haven’t seen anyone try the Vette but it should do well.

Give em a try and let us know.

 

[beegentoo]

Just two B‘s today since I needed a livery for the R.S.01. I love that car: I‘s not the fastest but it goes smootly through the turns, has very good handling in general and imho a great sound.

My Mission: ascend from SR B.

First attempt: I was the Renault-Eight-Ball being hit by a Ford-GT-White-Ball which got pushed by a GT-R-Queue. The white ball fell: 3s penalty for me and no SR increase in the first race.

Fortunately I gained some DR and that put me and my 1:26 to 13th in the Grid for my second attempt. I short shifted after the start and had every other driver pass me before Druids. Now I just followed the pack in respectful distance and gained Green SR after Green SR. Due to other drivers brawling, fighting and rage-quitting I finished 8th.

Back to SR A.

 

[MaxAttack]

@jaquelinesv the Mustang is a sleeper, might not get the win but for sure competitive. I haven’t seen anyone try the Vette but it should do well.

Give em a try and let us know.

I've run the Corvette. Very tidy around Brands. Had to chuck the race and only gained one place overall to 13th, had to autodrive half a lap due to a phonecall. Was up in 6th battling a few cars. Very chuckable around the back end of the course.

Problem I have with the vette is I think other drivers misjudge what it's going to do. Most seem to not drive it and view it as a top-speed straight line quick exit type of car, and then are surprised by how nimble it is. Had a lot of porsches surprised I was on their bumper through turns and passing at the hairpin.

Will definitely run a few more races with it. The brakes are like a nuclear train hitting you in the chest.

 

[meekrab]

Also, when it comes to FF cars, is there any downside to setting the brake balance all the way rearwards? I wouldn't imagine so, given that the rear wheels aren't doing much compared to the front. And especially at a course like Autopolis.

Yes, the rear wheels don't have as much grip as the fronts do, so setting the brake balance fully rearward will cause the ABS to trigger much earlier, limiting your braking power. There's also no tire wear in the race so there's no need to balance the utilization of front vs rear tires, you can hammer on the fronts all race with no ill effect. FWIW I've found I'm fastest with BB +2 or +3.

 

[JoeyLeonine]

Yes, the rear wheels don't have as much grip as the fronts do, so setting the brake balance fully rearward will cause the ABS to trigger much earlier, limiting your braking power. There's also no tire wear in the race so there's no need to balance the utilization of front vs rear tires, you can hammer on the fronts all race with no ill effect. FWIW I've found I'm fastest with BB +2 or +3.

You can't change the BB I'm the set up though, so I'm not convinced it actually does anything on track?!

Any how. The Mrs occupied the living room with some mates this evening, so no racing for me. But I thought if I can't race, I'll watch someone else race instead. Spent an hour watching SuperGT's live stream...

Do I have a problem?!

 

[Melbourne Park]

He's on my friend's list. Great talent and he tends to gravitate away from the META cars. To get that Beetle to go fast, he has to take a line that puts him way out near the grass and it's super easy to touch the grass and throw it all away. I tried the Beetle and my best is 1:23.9, so props to him for being in the mid 1:22's with it.

But in the Oceana area, in my few races last night, a Beetle won two races; best lap too was a 1:22.4 ... in the darn race!! I think it must be quick.

It does seem though that at Brands, most cars are quick ... it seems to be how you drive them IMO.

My disappointing car though is the Renault; its got the Nissan GTR engine in it; why isn't if faster ... it seems to me that PD have a secret deal with VW and the companies they own ... namely VW, Porsche (well Porsche sort of controlled VW for a while but whatever), Lamborghini Huricans, Audi TT, Scirocco, the ridiculous Beetle which has an aero CD value applied by PD that is just impossible - thank goodness there isn't a GR.4 VW Combi van - and the R8 ... it seems too that Ferrari don't have a deal with PD despite having to agree about Ferrari branding every time one re-starts the game ... and b4 I started the game I watched the championships, and sure enough, even in the hands of the top drivers, the cars are far from equal. With the BoP system, why are they not equal in the hands of the Aliens?

 

[Scotchboy]

Race B is killing me, I always start mid-pack and get murdered during the first 2 corners. Ended up down in 14th and the guy in 15th punted me off at Westfield which won me a 3 second penalty. All my experience of Race A and B this week has been aggressive/dirty other drivers and my SR is sinking. I don't understand the mentality.
In terms of cars, I've been using the Scirocco for Race A and generally succeeding in being quick, managed a win and a couple of podiums from mid-pack start but if it's not that, it's coming towards the tail after being shoved off in a non-typical place.
For Race B, I'm comfortable enough in the R8 but I've not managed a top 10 finish in any race from starting mid-pack because of all the drama.
I don't know how some of you guys are managing to get clean or civilised racing!

 

[JoeyLeonine]

I watched the championships, and sure enough, even in the hands of the top drivers, the cars are far from equal. With the BoP system, why are they not equal in the hands of the Aliens?

All cars are equal. But some are more equal that others...

 

[CodeRedR51]

I'm undefeated so far with the Renault in Race A. Eager to try out the 2nd gear no TCS start tonight. Aside from that I've been running TCS on 1, haven't touched the brake bias. Car is good for low 53's which so far has been plenty fast enough.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I've been driving a bunch of cars today. It seems the 'careful' initial period is over. Races have steadily been declining with more and more reckless attempts at 'overtakes' resulting in accidents and needless door banging. It could also just be the school kids joining in.

Best results today are

I only got a faster lap in the Lexus '16, BMW M3 '11 is currently holding second place for fastest lap.

Not as fast but fun to drive.

The Porsche was the hardest to get a clean race bonus, which had more to do with matchmaking, after school races with a lot of messy drivers and faulty penalties. In one race I got bumped off twice, got a penalty both times and lost 17 SR. The only time my SR took a dive.

My list of best laps so far

1:24.711 Lexus RC F 16
1:24.766 BMW M3 11
1:24.858 Mercedes AMG
1:24.883 Volkswagen VGT
1:24.891 Honda NSX
1:24.905 Hyundai Genesis
1:24.965 Porsche 911
1:25.066 Alfa Romeo 4C
1:25.175 Volkswagen Beetle
1:25.199 Aston Martin
1:25.277 Renault R.S.01
1:25.337 Citroen GT
1:25.338 Jaguar F-Type
1:25.370 Mitsubishi Lancer
1:25.635 Toyota FT-1
1:25.698 BMW Z4

That's all in race, best out of minimum 2 races per car. Some had the benefit of slipstream, some I was stuck in traffic for both races. The Porsche isn't that great as everyone is driving it. You need a car that's stronger on some sections to be able to make a clean pass or otherwise you're stuck waiting until they slip up somewhere and leave an opening.

 

[meekrab]

You can't change the BB I'm the set up though, so I'm not convinced it actually does anything on track?!

I think you're right, I just ran two practically identical laps with the BB at 0 and 5, car behaves identically.

 

[Winnie847]

i think brands hatch needs good gearing, like porsche, r8 and maybe the corvette c7, so maybe the mustang can fit here, and it is not a meta car! not sure how i ended in group a, i think play to much.

Hey there! I've seen you in a couple daily races here and there, but I don't do them often anymore so it's probably been awhile. It's always nice to meet GTP members here and on track.

I know the Porsche and R8 are probably the best cars for the track, but I tend to be a little slower and less consistent with MR cars so I usually try to find FR cars that are comparable in speed. At Brands Hatch, I also like the WRX, Z4, Lancer, Beetle, and the M3. There are others, but those are my favorite. Unfortunately the WRX and the Lancer lost some power in the last couple updates, but I used to be able to qualify in the 1:22's in each of them. The M6 and the Vette are both good there too, with more power, but they understeer a little more than those others.

You can't change the BB I'm the set up though, so I'm not convinced it actually does anything on track?!

Any how. The Mrs occupied the living room with some mates this evening, so no racing for me. But I thought if I can't race, I'll watch someone else race instead. Spent an hour watching SuperGT's live stream...

Do I have a problem?!

Actually, there are plenty of weeks where I probably spend more time watching GT Sport streams and videos than I do actually playing the game. I don't want it to be that way, but I can watch those at various times throughout the day when I don't necessarily have time for racing. One hour is nothing! If you have a problem after one hour, I have a debilitating addiction in comparison. The good part is that I truly believe I've become better at driving and racecraft due to watching all these real fast guys online.

Yes, the rear wheels don't have as much grip as the fronts do, so setting the brake balance fully rearward will cause the ABS to trigger much earlier, limiting your braking power. There's also no tire wear in the race so there's no need to balance the utilization of front vs rear tires, you can hammer on the fronts all race with no ill effect. FWIW I've found I'm fastest with BB +2 or +3.

I think you're right, I just ran two practically identical laps with the BB at 0 and 5, car behaves identically.

BB does make a difference, but it's subtle. If you don't trail brake very much, you might not notice the difference. I too was skeptical of BB affecting anything besides tire wear, but when I started to analyze how the fastest guys were outbraking me and carrying more speed through corners, I learned about trail braking. BB more to the rear on FR cars will allow more rotation under partial braking. BB more toward the front will make the car understeer a little more under braking. BB toward the front can help manage oversteer in MR cars as well. If you are used to doing all of your braking in a straight line and coasting or accelerating out of corners, you probably won't feel much of a difference. Tidgney's Driving School episode about braking goes into some good detail if you're interested.

 

[Pigems]

I had some questions on FF cars, trail braking, and brake balance, especially in regards to Race A this week.

First, is trail-braking the best method of braking with FF cars, and only FF cars? Also, when it comes to FF cars, is there any downside to setting the brake balance all the way rearwards? I wouldn't imagine so, given that the rear wheels aren't doing much compared to the front. And especially at a course like Autopolis.

And in the context of trail braking with these FF cars, should I still be pressing the brakes as hard as possible as I go through the turn? Or is it better to slowly increase braking as I approach the apex?

EDIT: I see! It seems that it's better to trail brake with cars that have power going to the front wheels (e.g. FF & 4WD) because of the load transfer of weight shifting to the front under braking - so perhaps this helps to compensate for understeer, which I think can happen more in FF & 4WD cars since the front wheels are both exerting two forces at once, being acceleration and turning at the same time. Not to mention load transfer lifting weight (and thus grip) off the front wheels under acceleration, too...



I think a good compromise would be to mostly have light damage on. This way, contact is still consequential beyond the SR/penalties, but it's not a total show-stopper, either. IMO light damage should be a standard parameter, much like BoP being on with tuning disabled.

I trail brake in every car, a lot. I find it’s more corner dependant than car dependant as far as when and how much. The whole idea behind trail braking is that it lets you start braking slightly later, which it turn means you’re also braking farther into the corner, which cuts down on coasting/maintenance throttle time between the point where you fully release the brake and the point you can start to accelerate again and usually means your moving at a slightly higher speed between turn in and apex. Typically you start to brake hard like normal, then you start to trail off the brake progressively as you begin to turn in and until the point you can release it fully just before the apex, ideally. The car won’t turn at 100% braking, the tires can only do 100% of something, so if you’re 100% brake you get 0% turn, 80% braking will allow for 20% turning ability, and so on. I read a book that explains it very nicely but the name of the books escapes me at the moment, I’ll PM you the title when I remember it. Good luck, once you learn it you’ll never go back to straight line braking.

Edit: I shouldn’t have added, I left foot brake, which makes trail braking waaay easier.

Edit 2: This is the book, I definitely recommend it to anyone wanting to get faster/better at racing. I don’t read books, ever, but I thoroughly enjoyed this one.

 

[kemmac]

Here goes again... the Race C is stupid cuz junior car cant handle the front turning at high speed. Its skidded plus bounced at same time. Result losing alot of times. I carried DR-A and SR-A. Perhap its the way I drive that cause it. Dunno! So I just race the A and B this week. Not much of gain point lol.!!

 

[sturk0167]

I've been driving a bunch of cars today. It seems the 'careful' initial period is over. Races have steadily been declining with more and more reckless attempts at 'overtakes' resulting in accidents and needless door banging. It could also just be the school kids joining in.

Best results today are

I only got a faster lap in the Lexus '16, BMW M3 '11 is currently holding second place for fastest lap.

Not as fast but fun to drive.

The Porsche was the hardest to get a clean race bonus, which had more to do with matchmaking, after school races with a lot of messy drivers and faulty penalties. In one race I got bumped off twice, got a penalty both times and lost 17 SR. The only time my SR took a dive.

My list of best laps so far

1:24.711 Lexus RC F 16
1:24.766 BMW M3 11
1:24.858 Mercedes AMG
1:24.883 Volkswagen VGT
1:24.891 Honda NSX
1:24.905 Hyundai Genesis
1:24.965 Porsche 911
1:25.066 Alfa Romeo 4C
1:25.175 Volkswagen Beetle
1:25.199 Aston Martin
1:25.277 Renault R.S.01
1:25.337 Citroen GT
1:25.338 Jaguar F-Type
1:25.370 Mitsubishi Lancer
1:25.635 Toyota FT-1
1:25.698 BMW Z4

That's all in race, best out of minimum 2 races per car. Some had the benefit of slipstream, some I was stuck in traffic for both races. The Porsche isn't that great as everyone is driving it. You need a car that's stronger on some sections to be able to make a clean pass or otherwise you're stuck waiting until they slip up somewhere and leave an opening.

Nothing from Detroit? I'm gonna have to buy a Mustang for my Murph account. I think it should be able to make some passes on the straights. I had good success using it at Bathurst on my other account. Of course, it benefited from longer straights, but it should be ok at Brands. I feel like I should have one in the garage, anyway.


@Pigems, I believe the deal about 100% braking = 0% turning, is meant for traditional race cars. Modern cars using ABS should't have that same restriction.

Maybe someone here with more automotive expertise can confirm or deny that?

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Nothing from Detroit? I'm gonna have to buy a Mustang for my Murph account. I think it should be able to make some passes on the straights. I had good success using it at Bathurst on my other account. Of course, it benefited from longer straights, but it should be ok at Brands. I feel like I should have one in the garage, anyway.

Random order, or whatever this cheap random number generator comes up with. I just drove the Dodge Viper SRT, best lap of 1:24.826, currently in 3rd place. Drives nicely around this track. RNG gave me the Peugeot VGT next.

@Pigems, I believe the deal about 100% braking = 0% turning, is meant for traditional race cars. Modern cars using ABS should't have that same restriction.

Maybe someone here with more automotive expertise can confirm or deny that?

From my experience cycling 100% front brakes provide plenty rotation

 

[Pigems]

I didn’t get to do any racing today unfortunately, but I did come across this video while roaming YT tonight. It seemed like something you guys may enjoy so I figured I’d share it.



Buddy’s footwork is absolutely insane!!

 

[Qyn]

Wow! The struggle is REAL tonight!

Edit:

Never really raced this early before. The dirty bunch is definitely out here lol.

 

[05XR8]

Yesterday, I played GTAV before GTS. After I was getting a bit aggressive with players that were still coming to grips with FF. I switched back to GTAV.
Maybe I shouldn't play GTA first.

 

[Melbourne Park]

Thanks for the video ... I had a SAAB 99 turbo, and did a track meet at Calder race track, via an invite from SAAB. Alan Jones the Australian F1 ex WC was there, driving a 900 SAAB, being paid by SAAB. Yep I had decent fuel and the boost was turned right up. I was holding him no worries around the track, and I used left foot braking before the exit of the corners, to keep the turbo boost going. This was about 1980. The only problem was that with the race track abuse on a road car, I boiled the hydraulic fluid in the clutch ... and trying to figure out what was going on, I lost it at the end of the main straight. Alan Jones had a big laugh about it after the race, and no doubt during, but not in front of others there ... he claimed he did not know about left foot braking back then ...

I was having a drive in the countryside with a fast friend who had a turbo charged Alfetta Coupe (the factory didn't have turbos of course), and we pulled over at night ... I lifted the SAAB's bonnet and everything around us was glowing red ... incidentally the SAAB killed the Alfa in every way - the SAAB's big turbo was bright orange red in colour - almost white red it was so hot ... the SAAB turbo was right there, in the engine bay, for all to see. It was a 5 door turbo, and I sold it a few years later ... I later found out they only made 100 of those 99 series 5 door Turbo Coupes. Darn it. Got a 280 CE Benz instead ... got married ... the Benz was a much easier higher speed tourer though - my wife and I did Brisbane to Brighton (further out from the Melbourne CBD) in 13 and a half hours. That's Brisbane to Melbourne in 13 hours and 10 minutes ... I did not speed through the towns, and had a radar detector. Also lost time time when a police car followed us for a huge amount of time ... like 12 minutes. The freeway speed limit in our state of Victoria was then 100KMH ... I only did 130 KMH in Victoria - I did not want to loose my license.

What I don't understand is why my wife no longer allows me to drive like that ...

 

[Shearzy]

Wow! The struggle is REAL tonight!

Edit:

Never really raced this early before. The dirty bunch is definitely out here lol.

Glad I took a day off! Probably log on early in the morning.. hopefully doesn't sour my day

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

Has anybody else seen a guy from behind who rams you and then drives off of the track to give you a 3 second penalty? I swear this guy did it on purpose as he was actively weave blocking me until he finally cut into my braking line and got rammed off of the track. Then he caught up and bumped me and then just veered hard left off of the track giving me a penalty. It's weird if the off track penalty can be given from rear cars.

These people are weird.

 

[beegentoo]

Has anybody else seen a guy from behind who rams you and then drives off of the track to give you a 3 second penalty? I swear this guy did it on purpose as he was actively weave blocking me until he finally cut into my braking line and got rammed off of the track. Then he caught up and bumped me and then just veered hard left off of the track giving me a penalty. It's weird if the off track penalty can be given from rear cars.

These people are weird.

I know what you’re talking about. Has happened a few times this week.

 

[05XR8]

Thanks for the video ... I had a SAAB 99 turbo, and did a track meet at Calder race track, via an invite from SAAB. Alan Jones the Australian F1 ex WC was there, driving a 900 SAAB, being paid by SAAB. Yep I had decent fuel and the boost was turned right up. I was holding him no worries around the track, and I used left foot braking before the exit of the corners, to keep the turbo boost going. This was about 1980. The only problem was that with the race track abuse on a road car, I boiled the hydraulic fluid in the clutch ... and trying to figure out what was going on, I lost it at the end of the main straight. Alan Jones had a big laugh about it after the race, and no doubt during, but not in front of others there ... he claimed he did not know about left foot braking back then ...

I was having a drive in the countryside with a fast friend who had a turbo charged Alfetta Coupe (the factory didn't have turbos of course), and we pulled over at night ... I lifted the SAAB's bonnet and everything around us was glowing red ... incidentally the SAAB killed the Alfa in every way - the SAAB's big turbo was bright orange red in colour - almost white red it was so hot ... the SAAB turbo was right there, in the engine bay, for all to see. It was a 5 door turbo, and I sold it a few years later ... I later found out they only made 100 of those 99 series 5 door Turbo Coupes. Darn it. Got a 280 CE Benz instead ... got married ... the Benz was a much easier higher speed tourer though - my wife and I did Brisbane to Brighton (further out from the Melbourne CBD) in 13 and a half hours. That's Brisbane to Melbourne in 13 hours and 10 minutes ... I did not speed through the towns, and had a radar detector. Also lost time time when a police car followed us for a huge amount of time ... like 12 minutes. The freeway speed limit in our state of Victoria was then 100KMH ... I only did 130 KMH in Victoria - I did not want to loose my license.

What I don't understand is why my wife no longer allows me to drive like that ...

I hadn't a 1990 9000 turbo Auto as my first car. Wish I also bought an SPG, but the 9000T was perfect for interstate blasts from NY to North Carolina.

 

[meekrab]

BB does make a difference, but it's subtle. If you don't trail brake very much, you might not notice the difference. I too was skeptical of BB affecting anything besides tire wear, but when I started to analyze how the fastest guys were outbraking me and carrying more speed through corners, I learned about trail braking. BB more to the rear on FR cars will allow more rotation under partial braking. BB more toward the front will make the car understeer a little more under braking. BB toward the front can help manage oversteer in MR cars as well. If you are used to doing all of your braking in a straight line and coasting or accelerating out of corners, you probably won't feel much of a difference. Tidgney's Driving School episode about braking goes into some good detail if you're interested.

Nah we're talking about this week's Race A, where you can't change Brake Balance in the settings screen. You can change the setting on the track but it doesn't do anything.

 

[RACECAR]

So, my first attempt in the Renault for Race A went well:

Got the start of a lifetime from 4th and that was all there was to it.