"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Pigems]

I loved the Porsche but I tried it for race B and couldn't get under 1:25. I don't know where I have lost the pace from it, but maybe I am impatient.

I've go the Audi down a little bit to 1:22.9; there is more there, I have learn't a bit in the races. The problem is I have been crashing ... its strange - I ran two 7 lap sessions, without interruption, didn't miss a corner, average speed of 1:22.8 which included a lap with 3 best sectors that I blew on the entry to the main straight, it ended up a 1.24.7, so the average was more like

Nice lap man!! I’ll have to try the R8 tonight, thanks for the tips

 

[NevilleNobody]

Man Brands is tough isn't it. You absolutely have to push to turn good times but one tiny slip up and boom you're off. 4 races and not done one without some sort of spin.

 

[Melbourne Park]

Nice lap man!! I’ll have to try the R8 tonight, thanks for the tips

You want some tips then.

OK.

Firstly, try to get to the apex on the first corner after the straight, you can use left foot braking, I like to be close to the apex as its safe there, but if you just back off the throttle the tail will swing out and you can hold the curve, then get on the throttle as early as you can. It might be faster a touch out from the right side, play with the throttle there and get on it, 3rd gear there of course. BB +3 (to the right of the dial, rear wheel biased)

2nd corner:
Brake late in the Audi there, it has incredible brakes.
Go around in 2nd, not first.
Back off the throttle and then ease into the throttle as you try to hit the curbs second apex on the right, when your there you can lean right into the throttle.

3rd corner
The secret is to only touch the brakes, turn the car by lifting the throttle, from the right side clip the left apex corner, its a second gear corner. Full throttle then and if the car is straight there's no issues. Run onto the concrete green stuff on the right, whatever, it doesn't pay IMO stick to the black top there.

4th corner
Stay to the right when you approach the left corner, stick and follow the right hand side curbing around as it swings around to the left, until you see the apex on the left side, then brake although I tend to brake softly as I enter that area, and lift the throttle so the tail swings out, then balance the car with the throttle and smoothly try to get on the power as early as possible. I've tried to turn the wheel harder and push the throttle there - but it slows me down a lot ... so balance the car and when you see the next apex on the right side ahead, feed in to full throttle.

5th Corner
Fairly obvious one this but brake and lift the throttle, sweep around, you can go to 3rd for a second to punch / tighten the car there if the corner is not perfect, power through and the Audi will tighten its corner. I always feel I have gotten on to the power too late there.

6th corner
Brake a bit, Cut the corner while lifting, turn the wheel and go for the power. A sweet corner when you time it right, and when you get it right, you now truly know that the Audi is absolutely georgeous.

7th corner
Its all about how you get the tail out there IMO. Some come from the right side of the track, then touch the brakes and power through ... by coming from the right the tail would swing out more ... but I tend to come from the left side of the track. The fast way for me is to cut the corner after touching the brakes, lifting the throttle, then really give it heaps early while turning the wheel. My issue is sometimes I don't turn the wheel enough. ai've got more speed to gain in the area. But it doesn't work there in the race, I guess due to our Net.

8th corner
My good tip is to not use 2nd gear. I am always faster out of there in 3rd. Touch the brakes and lift in 3rd gear, then power through.

9th onto the straight
Try to balance the throttle through there and if you turn the cones on, turn right when you get to the cone on the left, and then go to the cone on the right, always trying to be smooth and not slow down, avoid braking as much as possible, too much turning of the wheel there and it will slow the car down a lot IMO.

You know this but maybe it will help someone. I am not very fast but i can remember the corners.

oh and my improvement for this week is to try to relax my hands. its tough but I'm determined to master having soft hands, letting the wheel dance around more.

 

[Tea_Leaves]

Depending on how seriously you want to take a given event -

Spin up a Custom Race with the necessary settings/BOP against the AI and give it a couple of laps practicing driving in bad air.

Also quite useful for working out Fuel saving and Tyre degradation in advance.

I don't do it a lot, because there's no direct comparison between the consistent-on-rails nature of the AI and the variable Mr A.N. Other, but sometimes it can be useful as an idea of the 'expected' environment...

Yep, I know I could do this but I'm a semi-casual player and only do events if it's a combo I like or one which hasn't featured in daily races for a while. Sometimes I enter events without ever practicing them. I just see them as an extension of daily races.

I also like the surprise of not knowing what to expect during a race in terms of strategy. It creates more excitement and tension that way. Setting up an AI lobby beforehand would kind of kill that.

 

[Redsea666]

2 races at Brands last night- first was an ugly nightmare, and I apologize to all of those involved. I was all over the place, Q12 and finished P14. Lost 11 DR and deserved it.

Second was MUCH better- Q10 and finished P3 with a clean race. I feel my Lexus isn't going to cut it by the end of the week and will practice more with the Porsche tonight. It's so insane how the tail on that thing can slide out through a corner and still remain so composed through the apex and exit. Kept sliding around T3 (Graham Hill?) during practice and I don't want to take it out until I get a handle on it. Love the 911.

Tried the RBJ. That's all I'll say about that for know.

 

[SmokeyMR2]

I know it’s harsh. It ruins the experience for me dealing with crap like that. I know everyone can’t afford or get better net. My hotheadedness gets the best of me at times.

I can understand that, I think everyone has been there bud. Personally the part of Ireland I live in only has upto 4MB Download Broadband which at times gives me a bad connection but other races its fine. The problem been I never know until i'm in the race whether its going to be good or bad at which point if I quit because its bad my Sr would plummet. No hard feelings anyway bud

 

[sturk0167]

From 15th to 5th before the end of lap one.

Not that I did anything special, other than stay on the track (mostly). And this was the S group.

 

[GTWolverine]

My RBJ experience has been kind of weird. I did a Nations race for it last week (what a mistake that was since I 🤬 big time and finished 18th from 2nd place.) It never felt like I was in total control around the first turn (Blue Moon Bay, for reference) unlike my practice laps which were fine.

I managed to throw myself into the wall 5 times so ended up with 1.5 seconds x 5 in penalties. I think part of this might be down to dirty air (like I said, I didn't have any issue at all during practice) which can cause more oversteer. I wasn't expecting it to have the impact it did and this was using soft tyres.

I think that was mostly down to the car's weight distribution changing as fuel burned off. I made my own private lobby with the same tire and fuel consumption settings as that Nations Cup race. Even running solo, I could do the first 2 or 3 laps flat out, but after that I'd have to lift for entry to Turn 1 and run around the outside to avoid spinning.

 

[GTWolverine]

It looks like this might be another good week for me. The RB Jr. is a pain to drive, but I seem to have much better relative results with the harder to drive open-wheel cars (technically the RB isn't "open-wheel" but aside from the fenders it's built like one).

 

[RZQSPEED]

Got my quali time down to a 1:22.385 for Race B in the R8, which gave me a 3rd place in the grid spot for the 21:50 Race. An extremely fast FSR driver sits on pole in an Atenza out of all cars, and he did 1:22s throughout the entire race!! I came 2nd after a green 458 Italia binned himself exiting Clearways at the end of Lap 3.

 

[JoeyLeonine]

Yep, I know I could do this but I'm a semi-casual player and only do events if it's a combo I like or one which hasn't featured in daily races for a while. Sometimes I enter events without ever practicing them. I just see them as an extension of daily races.

I also like the surprise of not knowing what to expect during a race in terms of strategy. It creates more excitement and tension that way. Setting up an AI lobby beforehand would kind of kill that.

I mean, yeah, it's a super attention to detail kinda thing. Very rarely will I be affected by the small gains for me to bother with chasing the fine lines and making minor adjustments, so I don't really bother. Like you, semi-casual over here.

Having said that, this week in the QTT I have been doing practice starts off of the grid for Race A, so I know where my braking point is for Lap1 T1 - that, plus the no TCS quick launching Megane has been super effective.

All of the above has given me an epiphany on how to promote clean driving.

Apply the same penalties and standards in the career mode across the board and don't allow a person to join Sports Mode without having first completed a certain portion of it. i.e. encourage and mandate clean/respectful driving from the off. In career mode, it's too easy to just whap all the upgrades on your car and smash and grab your way to the front to achieve the win. If you have to have completed 50% of career mode at a certain standard (you can still be 'rubbish', just not dirty!) to play Sport Mode, and you make it harder to do that bumper car style, you never know, you might get better racers in the long run.

Call it say, I don't know, a 'Driving Examination'?

Those who don't 'need' and for whom it is personally a waste of time will wizz through it Gold Standard in hours.

Those who could probably do with it and could see the benefit of it, will most likely benefit from it.

Those who want to play dodgems will get bored and decide that this isn't the game for them and go elsewhere.

 

[jaquelinesv]

Have you tried the Citroen?

the gt-by-citroen? yes I used this one once, feels heawy, I also tought it would be fast on the corners, maybe again later on the week after some more experience.

 

[Tea_Leaves]

I think that was mostly down to the car's weight distribution changing as fuel burned off. I made my own private lobby with the same tire and fuel consumption settings as that Nations Cup race. Even running solo, I could do the first 2 or 3 laps flat out, but after that I'd have to lift for entry to Turn 1 and run around the outside to avoid spinning.

Interesting, I didn't consider fuel consumption in the first few laps to make a great deal of difference, I guess the RBJ is more sensitive in that respect. Practice beforehand was kind of detrimental in a way since I immediately went into a habit of driving around corners without braking. A shame that the practice mode doesn't give you an option to enable dirty air simulation and fuel consumption.

promote clean driving.

If you have to have completed 50% of career mode at a certain standard (you can still be 'rubbish', just not dirty!) to play Sport Mode, and you make it harder to do that bumper car style

My experience of racing against AI is limited but the AI can be dirty. Not sure if it's to "simulate" amateur drivers in the earlier leagues or whatever but I remember being punted, bumped and side swiped off the track. I don't know if people will become any cleaner racing against AI if this still happens. I've had cleaner races against humans.

 

[DanSHW]

Tried all 3 races today after nearly a week off for various reasons. Started from the back in a Megane in A, as I don't know Autopolis very well, got bumped off in lap 1, and finished last after pretty much matching P11 for pace, staying about 7s back the whole time. Still don't like Autopolis then.

Onto B in my trusty Aston, started about 14th, had a fairly lonely race and think I ended up 8th or 9th after passing 3 cars that had spun off on the last lap, Brands is pretty unforgiving.

Enjoying the Red Bull Jr, can see why some aren't though, it's very twitchy past a certain point, careful steering needed. I seem to be a little outpaced, but better at keeping it inbetween the lines, first time went ok, 14th to11th, then in the second race went from 11th to 5th, about 2 or 3 drivers in that one who were much faster, but couldn't keep it out of the gravel.

Think C might be my go to race this week which is unusual for me, but don't think any of them will be the one to finally bump me up to a B rating.

 

[Invisigoth]

So I tied on a Wooly Bugger and went in with a bow cast, with out much success. I figured they were down a bit deeper, so I changed to a nymph and watched the nice graceful arc of the line unwind as it gently alighted upon the water. Suddenly the quiet is shattered as the line slips through my hand and erupts in a spray of water, punctuated by the banshee wail of the reel as the line peels off! It truly is a great time for the Hatch .

Did 3 laps qualifying with the R8 and beat my M3 time by 3s. I had a 50/50 shot at this being a good thing, as quite often setting a faster time has me starting lower down the grid due to match fixing. This time I lucked out and started P6/16 on a grid with a couple of DR/Bs, an A, and the rest like myself, D 👍.

It was nice to start the race in a strait line. I kinda felt that yesterday's race was pure fluke and that tonight would be a smash fest and I'd be knocked back to last place . It was fairly orderly... till I got to the final corner of the first lap . I think I had managed to sneak up into P5, when I caught some grass with my rear right wheel (was gunna say driver side, but that would have confused anyone who wasn't Aussie, Kiwi, Pom or the odd Japanese who strayed into the thread ) and promptly spun out. I was headed towards a wall with the "If you don't turn the 🤬 around you will be disqualified " warning glaring at me when I was re-spawned on the track.... on the racing line . Expected to be in last place, but found I got moving again in P9. I was passed briefly by P10, but re-gained position and set about finishing the race in P9.

You can imagine my surprise when P8 loomed into view and I was suddenly right up them. I was following too close to , looking for an opening, and I guess the slip stream caught me by surprise, because I didn't brake in time and gave P8 a sudden boost in speed... then they went off . I deserved a penalty for that, or at least an SR down, but neither appeared. After that I started chasing down P7. I caught up and then we swapped places a few times without swapping paint. Passed a couple of wrecks, but I guess one of them must have been down a lap.

Brands Hatch is hypnotic. I'm chasing P6 and getting ready for another lap when my car suddenly slows down and "Finish" flashed up on a the screen. Wait what? It's over? Noooooooooooooooooo! I had no idea how many laps I had done.

SR blue, DR up nearly 400. I apologised to the guy I punted (he was easy to pick because he was the only other R8). He apologised back, which I don't understand. He didn't do anything wrong, it was all on me . Another day above DR 1 .

 

[sturk0167]

the gt-by-citroen? yes I used this one once, feels heawy, I also tought it would be fast on the corners, maybe again later on the week after some more experience.

Were you at race B this morning, with me and Sven?

 

[Cerebral303]

I love the Red Bull Junior cars, controlable on a pad, fast but not too frantic, very good handling. They inspire a lot more confidence in me than the bigger version.

It is so well suited to Suzuka with the fast sweeping curves and technical corners I have rediscovered this track after many Gr3 and Gr2 races here.

 

[zzz_pt]

Those who could probably do with it and could see the benefit of it, will most likely benefit from it.

Those who want to play dodgems will get bored and decide that this isn't the game for them and go elsewhere.

Except most players never ever try Sport Mode or care about it. Also the game is pegi 3. IMO that's not a good solution. You don't want to make the game annoying for the vast majority of the player base.

Better than that would simply have a driving school dedicated to Sport Mode etiquette, instead of a couple of useless videos, and heavy damage.

 

[Mr P]

Hows the racing in the RBJ? done some laps in the quali and this car is wicked to drive but how is it in amongst the esses with company?

Might dip my toe online with this tonight.. while it's there might as well make the most of it

 

[brianloch]

Got my quali time down to a 1:22.385 for Race B in the R8, which gave me a 3rd place in the grid spot for the 21:50 Race. An extremely fast FSR driver sits on pole in an Atenza out of all cars, and he did 1:22s throughout the entire race!! I came 2nd after a green 458 Italia binned himself exiting Clearways at the end of Lap 3.

The top players in Asia race B lobby this week is quick and clean as well. My q time is 1.23.1xx and doing 1:24 in race. Didn't managed to race today but races on Monday is clean and few spinning/crashing out, and my race pace really struggled to keep up with those ahead of me.

 

[Redsea666]

Except most players never ever try Sport Mode or care about it. Also the game is pegi 3. IMO that's not a good solution. You don't want to make the game annoying for the vast majority of the player base.

Better than that would simply have a driving school dedicated to Sport Mode etiquette, instead of a couple of useless videos, and heavy damage.

I feel like damage would be the best option for me. I miss it from PC2 where every corner was deadly serious. Force people to clean up their act. Probably not a popular solution, but it should at least be an option. Having the opportunity to crash out of a race makes it so much more intense.

 

[CrimsonKing]

I love post-race chat drama.

 

[sturk0167]

I love post-race chat drama.

Saw some of that, this morning. I saved the replay to see what it was all about. Didn't look that bad to me, but the guy who went off the track freaked out in the post-race. He was mad at one of the regulars from this thread.

 

[MIE1992]

I had some questions on FF cars, trail braking, and brake balance, especially in regards to Race A this week.

First, is trail-braking the best method of braking with FF cars, and only FF cars? Also, when it comes to FF cars, is there any downside to setting the brake balance all the way rearwards? I wouldn't imagine so, given that the rear wheels aren't doing much compared to the front. And especially at a course like Autopolis.

And in the context of trail braking with these FF cars, should I still be pressing the brakes as hard as possible as I go through the turn? Or is it better to slowly increase braking as I approach the apex?

EDIT: I see! It seems that it's better to trail brake with cars that have power going to the front wheels (e.g. FF & 4WD) because of the load transfer of weight shifting to the front under braking - so perhaps this helps to compensate for understeer, which I think can happen more in FF & 4WD cars since the front wheels are both exerting two forces at once, being acceleration and turning at the same time. Not to mention load transfer lifting weight (and thus grip) off the front wheels under acceleration, too...

I feel like damage would be the best option for me. I miss it from PC2 where every corner was deadly serious. Force people to clean up their act. Probably not a popular solution, but it should at least be an option. Having the opportunity to crash out of a race makes it so much more intense.

I think a good compromise would be to mostly have light damage on. This way, contact is still consequential beyond the SR/penalties, but it's not a total show-stopper, either. IMO light damage should be a standard parameter, much like BoP being on with tuning disabled.

 

[SmokeyMR2]

I love post-race chat drama.

I love the salty post race lobbies, very amusing to watch after a hard race

 

[Voodoovaj]

Saw some of that, this morning. I saved the replay to see what it was all about. Didn't look that bad to me, but the guy who went off the track freaked out in the post-race. He was mad at one of the regulars from this thread.

I think I know the race you're talking about . Did the driver who freaked out happen to be driving a Porsche? Did he also happen to shift himself into 1st gear in a 2nd gear corner and drive himself off track?

Someone people have a very one sided view of fairness and an unrealistic sense of entitlement.

 

[sturk0167]

I think I know the race you're talking about . Did the driver who freaked out happen to be driving a Porsche? Did he also happen to shift himself into 1st gear in a 2nd gear corner and drive himself off track?

Someone people have a very one sided view of fairness and an unrealistic sense of entitlement.

Yeah, that's the one. 👍 Didn't want to name you. I figured it was your choice. In the replay, I saw that there was a tiny bit of contact, but it didn't really appear to do much to his car. He recovered, then drove himself off. I was more curious about what the deal was with the pole-sitter in the Beetle who crashed himself in turn 3, then kept spinning out, and ended up last.

 

[sdi_03]

Man this RBJ is the most fun I've had in long time in this game. No need to struggle horible understeer.

Race C Qualy
Optimum 1:59.9xx atm. Best lap 2:00.447.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Yeah, that's the one. 👍 Didn't want to name you. I figured it was your choice. In the replay, I saw that there was a tiny bit of contact, but it didn't really appear to do much to his car. He recovered, then drove himself off. I was more curious about what the deal was with the pole-sitter in the Beetle who crashed himself in turn 3, then kept spinning out, and ended up last.

He's on my friend's list. Great talent and he tends to gravitate away from the META cars. To get that Beetle to go fast, he has to take a line that puts him way out near the grass and it's super easy to touch the grass and throw it all away. I tried the Beetle and my best is 1:23.9, so props to him for being in the mid 1:22's with it.

 

[MortosDer]

Yeah. I think I'm done with dailies this week. I don't like anything below gr2. And I specially hate brands hatch.

And the rbj is just too much work for me. Might try to lower my trial time.
59.8. Optimal is 59.0
Talk about lack of consistency.

Time to practice for nations, I guess. God I hate gr3 cars.