"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[CTRL Garage]

So I'm back! Last week didn't light my fire so used the 2nd account and did a few 930 round Tokyo races since it was a free car in a new account,

Today I did some laps in the 911 for race C, weird track for me... Got the braking points right(I think) but when to come off the brake and how much speed to carry through the corner I have no idea at the moment but a 1:47.55something so far after 15laps, Thursday I'm off work and just have to wait for a delivery so I'll be practicing and racing all day

 

[Pigems]

I recall the TC being particularly useful at the recent FF-only Gr.4 race at Nurburgring GP.

It’s good to use TCS1 for a Grid starts with any powerful car that will spin off the line, just rev it up and dump it, then let TCS sort it out, then take it off as soon as you gain traction so doesn’t hinder acceleration.

 

[Ashthebash]

Ok fellow enthusiasts. Had some time to test the honda at daily A.
This time took the replay from the actual game screen, so you can see better the inputs etc.
Tryes to adjust the BB on fly, and managed to cut .1 sec of my qualy.
But most important thing, was that it was much more easy to keep consistent in T1.
Q time 1:04.270 opt was x:xx.17x



Oh, and Pigems, you can't test this, you are fast enough allready

You appear to have that pretty much nailed! I've been practicing the first couple of corners at Suzuka (was pretty good at them last week), have decided the best way to do them this week is to turn in, close my eyes and hope for the best! Absolutely no guarantee I'll make the corner unless I slow right down, shame because I'm quick around the rest of it and could definitely chalk up a few wins with a bit of consistency

Edit, think I've quoted the wrong guy!!

Edit edit... fixed!!

 

[MIE1992]

I'm digging Race A this week. Also, as far as the Porsche 930 goes (either for last week's Race A or the Time Trial @ Nordschliefe), it feels like there's no better car for learning about throttle control. Is that why it was dubbed "the widowmaker?"

 

[williams_v_r]

Racing in Catalunya with Evo

Fuel map 2 (or 3) in curves zones
1 in straight

Tire wear = Don't worry

 

[T_702_Balone]

I'm not aware of a trick but they were probably using the handbrake rather than the foot brake. I do this myself as it's easier when using a wheel to just hold and release a button on the wheel rather than hold the foot brake down.

Reaction speed plays into it too and some (I guess) anticipate the lights going out for a flying start. I had one last week too where it felt like I timed it pretty well, yet the car behind got an absolute flyer off the line.

I didn't use TC with the Mazda last week but usually do for grid starts with more powerful cars.

thanks! that was it. that is why no false start and no foot brake bar lit, it also explains the dash light icon that ive never seen before (a circle with a !). in the races i did, there was no indication of TC use, but eerieissss used TC 1 and the hand brake, and had a .4 sec lead into T1. next time.....

I have yet to see any of you guys in dailys, i usually stick with one for the week, ecchymotic (alt) or Tone_702_Balone. I watch my replays to critique myself, and to see if I was at fault for an incident. i am in pacific time, race usually in the evening, sometimes late evening. if i screw up, feel free to call me out here.

 

[Lazybike]

Is that why it was dubbed "the widowmaker?"

I think it was named that because husbands were buying them and when they got home their wives were killing them..

 

[Mistah_MCA]

The new round of Time Trial is supposed to happens tomorrow. This mode does not affect the DR.
Prizes? Well, there could be a prize according to the ranking position... 💡

At the very least, a big credit bonus for finishing #th place would be nice. That could help with the quest to get those 10m+ credit cars.

Or even a free car voucher to get a car of your choice if you finish really well, that would be neat.

 

[Groundfish]

Hmm tried about 30 laps on the a qual.
Seems to me -5 at least makes t1 drivable.
Rears lock WAAAAY to easy.
First car in game I have had to change bb.

 

[JoeyLeonine]

Autopolis... Picked the Evo

20 mins of QTT. 56.6xx about the same pace as we've managed in previous iterations of Gr.4s around the never ending corners.

Race 1. P9 > P10. Got a given an all inclusive free holiday to the beach at T1 L1. Recovered from P15 to P8 before it happened again start of L3. I think P10 was fortunate by then end, though I did make a nice pass on the last lap to get it. It wasn't enough however to save my fingernails that had been dearly clinging on to DR/C for the last couple of game days so back home we returned once more.

Set a new QT of 55.8xx which is actually faster than anything I've put together before by nearly .6-.7 sec. I reckon there's another .5 in there though somewhere. If I want it.

Race 2. P4 > P3. Lovely, lovely, lovely race. Clean as you like. I was running P2 for a bit but got passed through T1-2 on L3 by a Spaniard in a not-so-Slophy. He had a nice drag and I couldn't defend the inside, but we went side by side through the 2 right handers and I have no higher praise for him. Restored a little bit of hope, given how race 1 went.

Race 3. P4 > P8. L1 was almost a carbon copy of the previous race. Good clean, close fun. but then I got punted at T1 on L2 by a fellow Brit in a Viper who came from quite a way back. The same fellow Brit in a Viper who'd finished the previous race in last place with SR down and a red dot next to his name. He didn't get a penalty for this misdemenour. But funnily enough come the end lobby he had a red S next to his name where every other person in the lobby had blue. He finished P4. I decided to lead with a bit of sass -

JoeyLeonine: @FellowBrit cheers...

To which he responded -

FellowBrit: @JoeyLeonine Thank You.

Clearly I had too much sass and he didn't get it. Thankfully my wifey interrupted me before I had a sense of humour failure and entered another race on a search and destroy mission...

If you ignore the -1000 or whatever it is the game gives you for dropping down a rung of the ladder I think I actually ended up with a positive net DR this evening. Somehow.

Oh and once again I'm addicted to Autopolis...

 

[NevilleNobody]

Catalunya is a nice track for sure, but in my world Autopolis along with Kyoto Yamagiwa is some of the best flowing tracks in the game. So much turns are linked together.

Huh? It's not as bad as fuji but autopolis feels completely void of flow, complete opposite to yamagiwa. The corners feel completely contrived.

 

[El_Beardo]

1:47.827 at Catalunya. Not a clean lap, really. But happy enough with it, considering my still not fully recovered, post festival condition. I'll jump into a race once I'm in the 46s range.

What's the strategy for Race C this week? Can you no stop with a bit of short shifting?

 

[Sven Jurgens]

1:47.827 at Catalunya. Not a clean lap, really. But happy enough with it, considering my still not fully recovered, post festival condition. I'll jump into a race once I'm in the 46s range.

What's the strategy for Race C this week? Can you no stop with a bit of short shifting?

Depends on the car. You can no stop with any car but some require so extreme short shifting that it becomes useless. Pitting is no good, fuel save to be competitive.

Daily C is very dirty atm, it's full on bump to pass in B/S land. I got 5 SR Downs in my first race this evening (and still blue S...) from all the bumps received. Some knocking me off the track, I still get SR Down, the bumper passes. One was a laggy 1 bar connection, could not predict where his car was SR Down for me lol.

Next race disconnected during matchmaking. Good start...

 

[GTP_TO Blue]

Race B in the B/S rating is just brutal and down right dirty in North America tonight. Do a clean pass and get rammed off at the next few corners. Come across a crash well ahead and have the crashers retaliate against me. And then just random racers never seen before trying to take you out at any opportunity. The worst of them was an A/S driver who couldn't take being passed by a lowly B/S driver!!

But as an aside, the BMW M4 is awesome around this awful track.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

DR C and SR 91 after a few races tonight

Race B in the B/S rating is just brutal and down right dirty in North America tonight. Do a clean pass and get rammed off at the next few corners. Come across a crash well ahead and have the crashers retaliate against me. And then just random racers never seen before trying to take you out at any opportunity. The worst of them was an A/S driver who couldn't take being passed by a lowly B/S driver!!

But as an aside, the BMW M4 is awesome around this awful track.

Was the same in EMEA tonight. Always comes out at night. Clean in the morning, dirty at night.

 

[El_Beardo]

"I'll race when I get into the 46 range."

OK . . Guess I'm racing.

Depends on the car. You can no stop with any car but some require so extreme short shifting that it becomes useless. Pitting is no good, fuel save to be competitive.

Daily C is very dirty atm, it's full on bump to pass in B/S land. I got 5 SR Downs in my first race this evening (and still blue S...) from all the bumps received. Some knocking me off the track, I still get SR Down, the bumper passes. One was a laggy 1 bar connection, could not predict where his car was SR Down for me lol.

Next race disconnected during matchmaking. Good start...

I'll try it in the AMG, and see how I get on. I've generally found very late/early (01:30/02:00) races to be fairly clean. Let's hope that continues this week.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Attempt 2 at CRB in the NSX spoiled by getting stuck between a 3 bar connection in front and 1 bar connection behind. The one in front stalls on the apex, the one behind shoots forward, rip. Just one SR Down but that's enough. I should pull over when a 1 bar connection gets close....

I did set my fastest lap yet in the nsx before getting stuck behind the wobbly 3 bar connection. 1:49.410. Not that fast, but tires and fuel saving...

3rd attempt already spoiled in T1. The car behind me bumps me wide, I get SR Down. It's an 11 lap race, you could at least brake conservatively for the very first corner on cold tires. So I did the dirty, gave him a real brake check and ran off the road, 3 sec for you.

I finished 6th in the end, 11 positions up, DR still about 50 points less than where it was this morning, proving once again that racing in the evening is pointless. No crb, no change in DR, a disconnect during matchmaking, lag everywhere. But I had my practice with the NSX, should be a cakewalk tomorrow morning

 

[El_Beardo]

Not bad. Got rammed off (intentional or not, I don't know) and picked up a 1 second pen for exceeding limits, and short shifted a little too much. That said, it did give me the ability to go flat out the last few laps. But, not bad for my first race back.

Now we try it with a little less fuel saving.

 

[CurbHog]

Im enjoying the Race C at Catalunya and I have seen @Sven Jurgens a few times starting from the back.
The last race got me a penalty that I really don't think is correct. Note that the driver had served a penalty so he was at a disadvantage. Did I do a Verstappen ? I think this is racing... Let me know. The full race is below.


Full race:

 

[El_Beardo]

And, now we sleep.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Im enjoying the Race C at Catalunya and I have seen @Sven Jurgens a few times starting from the back.
The last race got me a penalty that I really don't think is correct. Note that the driver had served a penalty so he was at a disadvantage. Did I do a Verstappen ? I think this is racing... Let me know. The full race is below.


Full race:

That nicely illustrates the problem with the penalty zones.

According to the rules of racing in F1 you are in the clear:

The guiding principle is that the driver on the outside should be at least level (front axle in line with front axle) with the driver on the inside to have a claim to the racing line on corner exit. Depending on the type of corner and the cars involved, either the outside or inside line may be quicker through the corner, meaning the driver on the outside may gain or lose ground from corner entry to corner exit. It is relative positions of the cars at exit — not at entry or apex — that is therefore crucial in judging these cases.
https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/the-rules-of-racing/

You are definitely ahead at corner exit, you are already ahead at the apex. The other car should have seen it coming and undercut you instead. The penalty is wrong, but so are most of them. The penalty system doesn't look at anything besides contact, who goes off.

It is of course more respectful to always leave room. It's also safer for avoiding penalties. Plus never trust a driver that just served a penalty!

It's exactly these kind of penalties (outside car turning in on you, usually sooner though) that make overtaking through corners so risky in GTS. Plus you never know if the other driver has the radar or the fuel map up.... Another fault of the game, why can't we have both!

 

[CurbHog]

That nicely illustrates the problem with the penalty zones.

According to the rules of racing in F1 you are in the clear:

The guiding principle is that the driver on the outside should be at least level (front axle in line with front axle) with the driver on the inside to have a claim to the racing line on corner exit. Depending on the type of corner and the cars involved, either the outside or inside line may be quicker through the corner, meaning the driver on the outside may gain or lose ground from corner entry to corner exit. It is relative positions of the cars at exit — not at entry or apex — that is therefore crucial in judging these cases.
https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/the-rules-of-racing/

You are definitely ahead at corner exit, you are already ahead at the apex. The other car should have seen it coming and undercut you instead. The penalty is wrong, but so are most of them. The penalty system doesn't look at anything besides contact, who goes off.

It is of course more respectful to always leave room. It's also safer for avoiding penalties. Plus never trust a driver that just served a penalty!

It's exactly these kind of penalties (outside car turning in on you, usually sooner though) that make overtaking through corners so risky in GTS. Plus you never know if the other driver has the radar or the fuel map up.... Another fault of the game, why can't we have both!

Thank you. I appreciate that you took the time to comment and provide the link.
You are certainly right that this is a risky move as people dont know when they have lost the corner..
In your part of the race you are really taking the hard way as you start in the back with no time and then slug your way trough. I need to watch my replay and follow you. Hats off to you for your perseverance ...

"I'll race when I get into the 46 range."

OK . . Guess I'm racing.



I'll try it in the AMG, and see how I get on. I've generally found very late/early (01:30/02:00) races to be fairly clean. Let's hope that continues this week.

The 911 is the one. I did not even try and I did well on fuel and on tires.

 

[Standroid]

Ok fellow enthusiasts. Had some time to test the honda at daily A.
This time took the replay from the actual game screen, so you can see better the inputs etc.
Tryes to adjust the BB on fly, and managed to cut .1 sec of my qualy.
But most important thing, was that it was much more easy to keep consistent in T1.
Q time 1:04.270 opt was x:xx.17x

Excuse the dumb question but how do you adjust BB on the fly?

 

[05XR8]

Ah, yes. Ye ol bump n' run. Got bumped out of 1st place 2nd lap T3&4.

aEdit: This thing is quick. It's NA, but feels like it's smoother with more grunt. I thanked the 2nd placed 4C for a good race. The car behind it was the character that bumped me off the race before.

 

[TomBrady]

The R8 is nearly useless since the major Nerf in July

Then why does it still top the leaderboard on some tracks? It just did over the weekend at Maggiore Reverse. In my opinion, any car that can top a leaderboard isn't that badly nerfed. I mean, when's the last time the 4C GT3 (Gr. 3, NOT 4. the 4C Gr. 4 tops certain tracks, and I love it) topped one? Even with the brilliant CAR_LAMB driving it, I can't even remember a time, and I would, since that's what I drive. Not that I'm whining, there are plenty of other cars that never top the leaderboard either. Sometimes rightfully so.

TLDR the 4C never tops Gr. 3 leaderboards, yet I can tell from experience it's not "nearly useless", so how can a car that does top leaderboards occasionally like the R8 Gr.3 be useless then?

 

[sdi_03]

Excuse the dumb question but how do you adjust BB on the fly?

With same buttons you use to adjust TCS. I have T300RS and use the arrow pad to jump between hud screens (Map, Radar, TCS, Times and BB)
Left right arrows change screen and up/down works inside of that screen - adjusts the values.

If you use pad, check the settings where these functions are mapped.

 

[05XR8]

That Slophy time is still netting me Pole.

 

[Saipra]

That Slophy time is still netting me Pole.

What is your QT on this car?

 

[MaxAttack]

Then why does it still top the leaderboard on some tracks? It just did over the weekend at Maggiore Reverse. In my opinion, any car that can top a leaderboard isn't that badly nerfed. I mean, when's the last time the 4C GT3 (Gr. 3, NOT 4. the 4C Gr. 4 tops certain tracks, and I love it) topped one? Even with the brilliant CAR_LAMB driving it, I can't even remember a time, and I would, since that's what I drive. Not that I'm whining, there are plenty of other cars that never top the leaderboard either. Sometimes rightfully so.

TLDR the 4C never tops Gr. 3 leaderboards, yet I can tell from experience it's not "nearly useless", so how can a car that does top leaderboards occasionally like the R8 Gr.3 be useless then?

As far as I'm aware, it's considered nerfed because it annihilates its tyres. The car has a tendency to step out at the rear ever so slightly and slide around corners, and this makes it very fast if controlled properly but munches up the rears something fierce.

The R8 used to be a great qualifying car and a great race car, but now it's not so great a pick for races with tyre wear. Hope that makes sense for ya.

 

[05XR8]

What is your QT on this car?

I didn't set a time with the Mustang. My top QT is, 1:52.204 in the Slophy. My fastest lap, in that race, in that Mustang, was 1:53.35.