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I don't have a lot of experience at this week's C race. I did my first 2 last night, and noticed a couple of things.

I didn't qualify, and didn't care where I finished, so I wasn't as aggressive as normal, and got blue SR marks at the end of both.

One of the things I noticed was that some people pitted for gas only. :lol: If you have to stop for gas, it means you're pushing hard and not conserving, which chews up tires a lot more that someone who's no-stopping.

One guy who entered the pits right behind me at the end of lap 5, did fuel only, and left the pits about 7 seconds ahead of me. Within a couple of laps, I passed him, and in the end was about 5 seconds ahead of him. If you're gonna pit anyways, just get tires while you're there.

Another thing is that I think the Lancer would do pretty well for no-stopping. The handling is good, the tire wear is good (BB+3 gets you pretty even front/rear tire wear). Also, after 5 laps of driving at FM1 and no attempt to conserve, I had 30% fuel when I stopped. I don't think it would take much effort to get 10 laps out of it. It took me from 20th to 11th, while making a full pit stop. 👍
 
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Not bad eh! Gee it was fun. We gave each other just enough space and didn't go all crazy if we rubbed a little. Only thing i struggled with was when chasing him, I'd pull out of the correct line through fear of rear ending him. Hurt me a little but less than braking too early.
Gr4 is great for bumpin' and grinding, just like real TCR. I think it might be my favorite- but it's a toss-up with Gr3.
 
Head is definitely not in the game today. I did manage to trim my time slightly but no even close to my opt, maybe tomorrow....

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Just raced in C where we did a grid start lol. Someone left the lobby making all cars glitch and stop. I been knocked around and backed out of a disaster about to happen at T1 lol

Also people keeps hitting me making my tyres go bad early.
 
Another thing is that I think the Lancer would do pretty well for no-stopping. The handling is good, the tire wear is good (BB+3 gets you pretty even front/rear tire wear). Also, after 5 laps of driving at FM1 and no attempt to conserve, I had 30% fuel when I stopped. I don't think it would take much effort to get 10 laps out of it. It took me from 20th to 11th, while making a full pit stop.

Let's focus on that one sentence and really think about this. Dragon Trails Seaside is 3.26 miles long (5.21 KM for those not in the U.S.). Now in @sturk0167 example, he's using the Lancer (which from my research is only a GTS car, not a real one, similar to the GR4 Huracan) so I can't find how many gallons the gas tank is; but, the Cayman, which is a popular choice this week, according to Porsche, has a 21 gallon gas tank.

So 10 laps = 32.6 miles. So this means the Cayman is getting a whopping 1.55 miles per gallon in race C :lol::lol::lol: yes, the "real" simulator indeed. Again, Race C is so forced and convoluted.

Rant over.
 
Let's focus on that one sentence and really think about this. Dragon Trails Seaside is 3.26 miles long (5.21 KM for those not in the U.S.). Now in @sturk0167 example, he's using the Lancer (which from my research is only a GTS car, not a real one, similar to the GR4 Huracan) so I can't find how many gallons the gas tank is; but, the Cayman, which is a popular choice this week, according to Porsche, has a 21 gallon gas tank.

So 10 laps = 32.6 miles. So this means the Cayman is getting a whopping 1.55 miles per gallon in race C :lol::lol::lol: yes, the "real" simulator indeed. Again, Race C is so forced and convoluted.

Rant over.
Does anyone have actual information from motorsport competitions and fuel mpg per different cars.
 
Does anyone have actual information from motorsport competitions and fuel mpg per different cars.

The only confirmation I have ever read was from this article, where he got the drive the now-retired Audi R18. It states that it got a little over 7 MPG.

Obviously, what I posted above was kind of tongue in cheek, but also just using basic math. But I'm sure it's not quite as simple as I made it out to be.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/big-reads/driving-audis-lmp1-le-mans-car

Is the article.
 
Let's focus on that one sentence and really think about this. Dragon Trails Seaside is 3.26 miles long (5.21 KM for those not in the U.S.). Now in @sturk0167 example, he's using the Lancer (which from my research is only a GTS car, not a real one, similar to the GR4 Huracan) so I can't find how many gallons the gas tank is; but, the Cayman, which is a popular choice this week, according to Porsche, has a 21 gallon gas tank.

So 10 laps = 32.6 miles. So this means the Cayman is getting a whopping 1.55 miles per gallon in race C :lol::lol::lol: yes, the "real" simulator indeed. Again, Race C is so forced and convoluted.

Rant over.

Well, that's 10 miles to the gallon in full race speed. That's pretty good actually.
The multiplier is 7, remember?
 
The only confirmation I have ever read was from this article, where he got the drive the now-retired Audi R18. It states that it got a little over 7 MPG.

Obviously, what I posted above was kind of tongue in cheek, but also just using basic math. But I'm sure it's not quite as simple as I made it out to be.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/big-reads/driving-audis-lmp1-le-mans-car

Is the article.
I believe PD might be running a more arcade-like experience because not a lot of people will drive over 70 laps for a "casual" online racing session without having them experience the pitting strategy.
 
Let's focus on that one sentence and really think about this. Dragon Trails Seaside is 3.26 miles long (5.21 KM for those not in the U.S.). Now in @sturk0167 example, he's using the Lancer (which from my research is only a GTS car, not a real one, similar to the GR4 Huracan) so I can't find how many gallons the gas tank is; but, the Cayman, which is a popular choice this week, according to Porsche, has a 21 gallon gas tank.

So 10 laps = 32.6 miles. So this means the Cayman is getting a whopping 1.55 miles per gallon in race C :lol::lol::lol: yes, the "real" simulator indeed. Again, Race C is so forced and convoluted.

Rant over.

Race C is on a x7 fuel consumption multiplier.
 
Let's focus on that one sentence and really think about this. Dragon Trails Seaside is 3.26 miles long (5.21 KM for those not in the U.S.). Now in @sturk0167 example, he's using the Lancer (which from my research is only a GTS car, not a real one, similar to the GR4 Huracan) so I can't find how many gallons the gas tank is; but, the Cayman, which is a popular choice this week, according to Porsche, has a 21 gallon gas tank.

So 10 laps = 32.6 miles. So this means the Cayman is getting a whopping 1.55 miles per gallon in race C :lol::lol::lol: yes, the "real" simulator indeed. Again, Race C is so forced and convoluted.

Rant over.
All this talk about real racing simulation, prompted me to look up the GT4 European Series regulations. There are hundreds of things in there that don't exist in GTS. I never thought of it as an accurate simulation of real racing.

I found one thing in the rule book that I guarantee would put an end to dirty driving. Obviously this real-life GT4 rule will never be added to the game, but it would be pretty funny it was.
Here it is:

19.5
Financial penalties issued under these regulations will be paid by cash or when possible Credit
Card (Mastercard / Visa / Amex ONLY plus additional transaction costs) to SRO Motorsports
Group, or his representative, which shall remain the sole beneficiary. SRO Motorsports Group
will donate this Financial penalty to a foundation. Cars will not be allowed to start the next
session unless issued financial penalties have been paid.

:lol:
 
All this talk about real racing simulation, prompted me to look up the GT4 European Series regulations. There are hundreds of things in there that don't exist in GTS. I never thought of it as an accurate simulation of real racing.

I found one thing in the rule book that I guarantee would put an end to dirty driving. Obviously this real-life GT4 rule will never be added to the game, but it would be pretty funny it was.
Here it is:

19.5
Financial penalties issued under these regulations will be paid by cash or when possible Credit
Card (Mastercard / Visa / Amex ONLY plus additional transaction costs) to SRO Motorsports
Group, or his representative, which shall remain the sole beneficiary. SRO Motorsports Group
will donate this Financial penalty to a foundation. Cars will not be allowed to start the next
session unless issued financial penalties have been paid.

:lol:
Not done online wise but I remember, in Forza Motorsports 1 and 2, a cut was taken from your winning wages whenever you had too much damage on your car.
I believe NFS Pro Street did that as well.
Don't know why it got taken out.
It was a brilliant idea.
 
Not done online wise but I remember, in Forza Motorsports 1 and 2, a cut was taken from your winning wages whenever you had too much damage on your car.
I believe NFS Pro Street did that as well.
Don't know why it got taken out.
It was a brilliant idea.
That would be no big deal. I'm talking about someone who crashes into a bunch of people having to get up and go find his debit card if he wants to enter another race. :lol:
 
I've been trying Race C tonight.
1st attempt I couldn't get the Huracan to behave (it really didn't want to steer at any speed), so I trashed my DR with a low finish.
2nd attempt, switched to the NSX. Abandoned my no-stop plan when it became clear it wasn't happening, didn't improve my position much, had a few annoying lower DR drivers that kept braking super early or essentially stopping on faster apexes causing me to brake hard and evade, resulting in inevitable contact.
3rd attempt, stuck with the NSX. Had the pain of being pushed by the car behind at the chicane into the right hand wall on exit while running in 5th stuck behind the Lexus in 4th, killing my race. No penalty for the other guy. Got worse from there on. On exiting the pits, was stuck behind a Cayman that was driving erratically. Was making a legit clean pass in the walled section just after the tight corner at the bottom of the hill when he very purposefully moved hard left and slammed my nose into the wall. He got a well-deserved 3s penalty, during which I passed him. Final corner of lap 10, he doesn't brake at all and punts me off as I'm turning in. Means instead of us finishing 8th and 9th, I finish 9th and he finishes 11th due to the penalty... so it was a nonsense decision. But I guess he had to punish me for having the audacity to pass him. Utter joke.
After all this my SR climbed back to only 61 despite my best efforts. It's nigh on impossible to raise SR at this stage, because I'm still being matched with lower DR drivers who don't move predictably or logically. Might try a no-stop with the NSX tomorrow if I can be bothered, but honestly other drivers are exhausting. It's not fun to lose DR and SR because someone else screws up on their own then gets mad when you clean pass them. No way I can avoid any of the incidents that occurred today.

I'd agree with losing credits for not driving clean or causing incidents, buuuut the penalty system is BS at the moment so there's no way I'm paying because someone else with a lower DR hit me from behind then drove off on their own into the grass/sand/wall.
 
That wouldn't be a bad idea for losing Cr. after a race: Damage penalty. I understand that's what the CRB and the orange arrow are basically for, but deducting Cr would be cool too.
Maybe expand the concept of the driving etiquette and have a more serious group with people that have good standings and bar anyone with aggressive driving from entering those competitive events.
Also have these competitive events earn the highest amount of money and DR as well.
This way, people will drive better for the sake of having a better rank.
 
A fair idea with the that of penalising people who cause problems with bad driving through deducting Cr.... And also I've thought about a type of "sin bin" scenario......Where if someone gets a penalty, say for 2 races in a row, they get blocked, and locked out from entering another Daily Race for an hour, something like that.

The only problem is, with the penalty system not always penalising when it should, those bummers could still pass though the net at times.

But whatever, something has to be done with these morons! Naming and shaming isn't allowed, but it should be in some instances.
 
My first 3 races in Race C of the week in the F-Type Jaguar, and tales of missed chances.....

Race 1, started 8 and finished 6th, should've been more, but my tyres went away, and I just couldn't catch 4th and 5th in front of me...I pitted on lap 6 for fuel, but still had to manage it til the end, as it was only a splash 'n dash! But not bad for a first attempt, and learning how this race works with the fuel margin etc...View attachment 844661

Race 2, again started 8th, and got bumped down to last at turn 3, lap 1...Down to 19th place, so decided to stay out, and trundle around with no stop, boring as hell haha! 9th was the result!

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Race 3, and started 4th this time around, and got up to second out of the turn 2/3 chicane....Then was pushing the leader hard, and on lap 3 started to feel more confident, and the video will show......But then........



If there's something that really annoys me, it's this kind of behaviour....God knows how they get an "S" rating!! :rolleyes:, and sure it's been said here a million times already, but they didn't even get a penalty from it! I pitted straight after the foul, for fuel and tyres, came out last, and just drove my Hamster nuts off, and got 4th place, with the rammer finishing ahead of me in 3rd, there's justice for you..... :(

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But anyway, on to the next races later, feeling like I'm understanding how Race C works now....Next race, I want a podium at least, but that depends on the other competitors, it's quite a wild bunch in these races this week.


I don't think he tried to ram you. Looks like lag to me. It was close. What gives it away is that he is did not lose speed when he bumped you.

Anyway Race C in the Lambo. Great qualy with 1.45.38X. Started on 2nd place once and 1st twice. Went for the fuel saving strat and... it is a tricky one. If the guys behind you are overly optimistic they can clearly ruin your race while overtaking in the first part of the race. I murdered a guy in the first chicane when he dive bombed me from two cars length. How you may ask? Closed the door and when we hit he got sent onto the barrier coming to a full stop. Of course that means I got a 5 second penalty for that. I later died at the death chicane and incredibly managed to finish 4th despite all that.

Second attempt another overly optimistic lounge but this time in the last corner of the track. Made contact sideways and he spun and another tasty 5 sec penalty. Back to 14th after serving it which means I ended up in murder town. Got killed by batman (Citroen Gt Batman Livery car) when overtaking him on the fast S. Beautiful sideswipe I have to give him credit for his perfect murdering skills. Touched the gravel that sent me again into the track after bouncing on the wall. At that point we were playing ping ping instead of racing big accident with various cars involved. Karma came back for batman later and his murderous ways in the shape of death chicane. Managed another 4th place despite that.

The last one got overtaken by 5 or 6 cars without being murdered and with the no stop strat won by 3 secs I think it was.

I think a 1 stop strat may be safer as you don't have to trust the other drivers so much.
 
It seems there is a large portion of mostly Huracáns for this weeks Daily Race C. During the many hours I've attempted the race I've observed that the RC F and NSX are good at managing fuel, as well as the Mégane, I've seen them get through the whole 10 laps without pitting in fairly decently.

The car I've used, the WRX, seems to struggle on the straights in Dragon Trail. As for fuel management, there wasn't much difference between pitting in or finishing the race in one stint.



Good work with the Cayman, I was at the race. It's definitely an underrated vehicle for the job.

I was in one of the races you were no stopping in the WRX ( I think you were no stopping) and as long as I came out of the turns halfway decent you are right in that the WRX became a moving chicane on the straights. Had to pass you twice during the race that way, but it was just fast enough to make it iffy on a couple of corners as I was in the Jag and you had a touch more stability to fight me in the corners if I didn't clear you well in advance. I remember having to back off for a lap when I didn't have you lined up right early for one of the two passes. I'm not a great driver but showed the difference of the right strategy for whatever car. If I could no-stop the Jag (not possible while I'm driving my AT) it would be a great choice. Even with more than 0.5 missing from my best lap I'm still at a 47.0 for a qually, and I'm not usually good at qualifying.

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A comedy of errors from me tonight. First the good news. The F-Type is lovely.

Managed a 48.403 QTT - @Kuraudo @RacingGrandpa, your moves!

Then the racing.

Race 1. P7 > P17. I was up to P5 by the esses but got punted by an inpatient Lambo. I then dropped it when trying to get going again (that's what happens when you turn TCS off!) So we were dead last by about 20 seconds by the time we were back up to speed. Tried something different. Running AT so no short shifting here, just whack it into Mix 6 and see what happens. Don't do that. Finished 17... Out of 17... Didn't make the time out!!!

Race 2. P4 > P6. Made P3 by the Bus Stop and held that until the very last corner of the very last lap... Ran out of fuel... I was in no danger. I could have done the last lap in Mix 6 and still have podiumed. But alas we rolled over the line in 6th. Would have taken that at the start in fairness. But I'm competitive in DR/C at the moment... HOLD IT TOGETHER MAN!!!:lol:
 
A fair idea with the that of penalising people who cause problems with bad driving through deducting Cr.... And also I've thought about a type of "sin bin" scenario......Where if someone gets a penalty, say for 2 races in a row, they get blocked, and locked out from entering another Daily Race for an hour, something like that.

The only problem is, with the penalty system not always penalising when it should, those bummers could still pass though the net at times.

But whatever, something has to be done with these morons! Naming and shaming isn't allowed, but it should be in some instances.

You can, within the rules of the site, post a video of any incident/race that clearly shows the persons name in the video, you just can’t type that name into your post because it then becomes searchable, you can’t search for words that are held within a video though. ;)
 
i hate when i beat my qualy time on a consistant basis in the race , but i cannot for the love of god reproduce those laps in qualy :banghead:
I hate it when I beat my qualifying time while waiting for the race and then those spots I gained starting turns out to be the spots I lose in the race and end up losing DR. Thanks matchmaking machine. :irked:
 
That guy is a well known rammer, he gets very offended by anyone daring to pass him, he needs to be avoided
I confronted him on his GT profile and this was his response:

"...Maybe you piss me off before and I was returning the favor...I don't usually ram ppl without reason like brasilian!"
"Or maybe u r a divebomber..."

Anyway, I am looking forward to doing some daily races this week with all of you clean drivers.
 
You can, within the rules of the site, post a video of any incident/race that clearly shows the persons name in the video, you just can’t type that name into your post because it then becomes searchable, you can’t search for words that are held within a video though. ;)
We don't need to know about it as much as the people in the race do. Name and shame all you want in the pre/post race chats. I've seen lots of pre-race warnings from a driver that's warning everyone about another driver. :lol:
Of course, that happens way more in the post-race chat.
 
How is Race A this week? I tried Dragon Trail last night. Two goes, got put off three times in the first one, ran out of petrol and ragequit the second. I could do with something simpler.
 
I don't think he tried to ram you. Looks like lag to me. It was close. What gives it away is that he is did not lose speed when he bumped you.

No lag mate, if you watch the end of the video again, he didn't even brake until he was about to hit my car at the 50 metre board, and if he hadn't of hit me, he would've ended up where I was, in the kitty litter. I may have braked a little early, as I don't use abs, but he hit me fair and square lol!
 
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