"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[El_Beardo]

Definitely more thirsty. By as much as half a lap.

When are you shifting? I've just finished with 8% left, running FM1 the entire race. For reference, I shift up as soon as the rev bar flashes blue.​

 

[Pigems]

What has changed since yesterday? The Toyota now runs out of gas.

I was on for my first clean race at La Sarthe. Then I thought about it too much and missed the braking point for the first chicane. Then Indianapolis. Then ran out of gas.

FML!

You still have to fuel save slightly with the Toyota, you can’t just wind it out every shift, every lap. It’s just the car the requires the least amount of fuel savings is all. Shift slightly early when you can for the first 4 laps and then you can wind it right out on the last one.

 

[250Cal]

When are you shifting? I've just finished with 8% left, running FM1 the entire race. For reference, I shift up as soon as the rev bar flashes blue.​

I'm using the same car, doing the same lap times, same controller, same BB, everything, but I'm apparently burning way more gas. Confusing!

 

[Pigems]

Got the Alpine down to a 23.2, Optimal is .4 lower. Gonna try a few more laps.

 

[GhostCaliber]

What has changed since yesterday? The Toyota now runs out of gas.

I was on for my first clean race at La Sarthe. Then I thought about it too much and missed the braking point for the first chicane. Then Indianapolis. Then ran out of gas.

FML!

You talking about Race C? it's still an easy nostop with the toyota.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Back down to SR.C now. Got bumped into the wall by someone, then crashed into by traffic coming from behind, 1 sec + 3 sec penalty from traffic ramming me and SR Down for getting bumped off the first time. 37 SR left, dirty hour is serious business in the lower SR range

Oh cleanest race yet happens in SR.C of course. Victory from 7th place, clean race bonus, plus the boost for low SR, +8 SR to 45. Back in the danger zone. Oh and back up to 21K DR already after the reset to 15K last evening. DR bucks are much easier to come by in the low SR rooms (and having low DR of course)

 

[twitcher]

OMG I finally did it, 15 CRB in a row. Box checked!! That was the most stressful video gaming I’ve ever done. The SR system completely sucks, the racing got worse and worse as I worked my way up from SR:C to SR:S. The last two races I just did, my own SR at 99, against a full room of S rated drivers, saw me stuck behind two of the worst drivers I have ever seen.

It’s not just the law mowing that you can get away with in Race B. One of the people I was stuck behind pin-balled off the walls at least 3 separate times. He was literally turning the wrong way into some corners, but I couldn’t risk my CRB streak by passing him. The only times I could have safely got past him was when he went completely off the circuit, but in those cases, he was bouncing off the wall and coming back onto the circuit at crazy angles like Seb Vettel, with no penalty, and without really losing much time.

In the higher SR rated lobbies, the racing at the front seems to be clean, borderline sweaty sometimes, but the racing mid pack and down is awful. Sure, people have SR:S, probably at 99, but they can’t drive or race to save their life. Not necessarily dirty on purpose, just completely clueless and out of control.

I know we won’t see any major changes to the SR system in this game, but for the next time around, I really think SR should NOT be rewarded if you don’t finish within X seconds of the leader. This whole idea that you can literally park on the side of the road a few times and end up racing in the highest category of match making is a farce. I don’t think you should lose SR for being to slow, but it shouldn’t go up if you are so slow that you’re clearly not even racing.

Whatever though....I never have to worry about CRB ever again, thank goodness

Edit: forgot to mention...buddy who kept bouncing off the walls....no penalties, and had a blue S beside their name after the race, which as far as I know, means they gained SR or stayed at 99 that race.

This is a yoke, the FI-yay, a yoke.

 

[Pigems]

Got it down to a 22.8 now but that’s all I’ve got in me for tonight, gonna try again tomorrow. There’s so many small mistakes, and even a few big ones. Great Lap @Mistah_MCA and Thanks for the loan of your ghost.

 

[GhostCaliber]

Back down to SR.C now. Got bumped into the wall by someone, then crashed into by traffic coming from behind, 1 sec + 3 sec penalty from traffic ramming me and SR Down for getting bumped off the first time. 37 SR left, dirty hour is serious business in the lower SR range

Oh cleanest race yet happens in SR.C of course. Victory from 7th place, clean race bonus, plus the boost for low SR, +8 SR to 45. Back in the danger zone. Oh and back up to 21K DR already after the reset to 15K last evening. DR bucks are much easier to come by in the low SR rooms (and having low DR of course)

The DR reset back to C honestly sucks.

I'm currently at my highest DR i've ever been (45K) and honestly in race C I came close to C SR and a DR reset yesterday with all the horse**** that was going on. But I kept composed didn't revenge punt people, and climbed back into S SR safety zone lol.

if i had to get back to my current DR from 15K, I'd probably quit for life

 

[Sven Jurgens]

The DR reset back to C honestly sucks.

I'm currently at my highest DR i've ever been (45K) and honestly in race C I came close to C SR and a DR reset yesterday with all the horse**** that was going on. But I kept composed didn't revenge punt people, and climbed back into S SR safety zone lol.

if i had to get back to my current DR from 15K, I'd probably quit for life

It's not that bad, a good quali time on a track you're good at. It goes fast from the bottom.

I'm already back to 23K since yesterday without qualifying. Your DR may be reset, but your race craft is still the same. DR aren't points to collect, it simply reflects your avg speed. So pointless. The only thing a DR reset does is show you how far you have come, you'll be out running everyone around you for the first bunch of races.

Lol back to SR.C cause the room crashed at race start, -5 SR. Another reason why I don't care about DR anymore, one simple disconnect can cost you thousands at high DR and SR.S since the room is filled up with D/S players that suck up all the points when you get disconnected.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Race C has treated me nicely this week, 2 more clean races and I equal my PB:

I love this Toyota.

 

[GhostCaliber]

It's not that bad, a good quali time on a track you're good at. It goes fast from the bottom.

I'm already back to 23K since yesterday without qualifying. Your DR may be reset, but your race craft is still the same. DR aren't points to collect, it simply reflects your avg speed. So pointless. The only thing a DR reset does is show you how far you have come, you'll be out running everyone around you for the first bunch of races.

Lol back to SR.C cause the room crashed at race start, -5 SR. Another reason why I don't care about DR anymore, one simple disconnect can cost you thousands at high DR and SR.S since the room is filled up with D/S players that suck up all the points when you get disconnected.

Idk, maybe for you it's easier, but for me I'm still on Dualshock and it's a slog right now because I'm coming up against some legit fast as fk people that I struggle to stay with.

Although Sarthe right now is an absolute beauty of a race for me this week, picked up a bunch of wins in the higher lobbies and gone from I think 37K dr to 46K dr.

It's just been such a slog to even get to this point, because basically since I went from the 25K DR range to what I am now, that's all since I switched to manual and no traction on controller, and it seems like now I have to almost win or be 2nd to keep increasing point.

I just won a super hard race against two other A+ drivers, and I only got 600 DR score I think... literally won by 0.037 seconds because of a mistake over the last kerb!

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Idk, maybe for you it's easier, but for me I'm still on Dualshock and it's a slog right now because I'm coming up against some legit fast as fk people that I struggle to stay with.

Although Sarthe right now is an absolute beauty of a race for me this week, picked up a bunch of wins in the higher lobbies and gone from I think 37K dr to 46K dr.

It's just been such a slog to even get to this point, because basically since I went from the 25K DR range to what I am now, that's all since I switched to manual and no traction on controller, and it seems like now I have to almost win or be 2nd to keep increasing point.

I just won a super hard race against two other A+ drivers, and I only got 600 DR score I think... literally won by 0.037 seconds because of a mistake over the last kerb!

Oh it doesn't come easy, and I can only reach A+ on Nordschleife or N24 with a lot of grinding. At some point first place might only get you 100 DR due to matchmaking being so uneven at SR.S. Yep you can lose points finishing 3rd at 46K DR, it can be frustrating. I use a controller too btw, manual with TC.

Great job! I can't keep up with the A+ crowd at Sarthe, only on the Nord.

 

[twitcher]

The DR reset back to C honestly sucks.

I'm currently at my highest DR i've ever been (45K) and honestly in race C I came close to C SR and a DR reset yesterday with all the horse**** that was going on. But I kept composed didn't revenge punt people, and climbed back into S SR safety zone lol.

if i had to get back to my current DR from 15K, I'd probably quit for life

I can’t really speak for going from 30k to 45k, that’s uncharted territory for me. From 10k to 30k though, that’s a cake walk. My DR reset about 2 weeks ago, and just last week at Tokyo, doing what I’d guess was roughly 25ish races (I could be off on that, it might have been closer to 35 races, the last week has been a blur), I gained nearly 20k DR. Maybe I got lucky in that Tokyo is a track I enjoy, and apparently am not entirely slow around (who’da thunk it), but it’s definitely doable without too much effort. My quali time was a 2:08.5xx, which I was pretty stoked about, but I know the really fast people were sub 2:07. My average race laps were in the high 2:10s, low 2:11s. Nothing really that special, I just mention it to show that with what I would call slightly above average pace, I was able to beat majority of the SR:A&B crowd.

Full disclosure I basically ignored my SR during Tokyo week (I started the week low to begin with), so I wasn’t facing the top guys who are fast in SR:S, mostly I was racing against SR:B and A rated drivers, and beating most of them no problem. I would guess that, in theory, you could drop your SR to B or A, get slightly slower folk at the pointy end of the grid, farm a bunch of DR, and then do a couple clean races to get back up to SR:S.

 

[GhostCaliber]

Oh it doesn't come easy, and I can only reach A+ on Nordschleife or N24 with a lot of grinding. At some point first place might only get you 100 DR due to matchmaking being so uneven at SR.S. Yep you can lose points finishing 3rd at 46K DR, it can be frustrating. I use a controller too btw, manual with TC.

Great job! I can't keep up with the A+ crowd at Sarthe, only on the Nord.

With TC? that's a surprise to me, I just assumed all the best guys switched TC off so I forced myself to not use it, which is also why I had a nightmare in the last nations race of the last season with those red bull cars haha...

But yeah, i just honestly didn't assume someone could get beyond 30K or whatever with traction on, I was under the impression that it was that much of a barrier.

I avoided Nord this week tbh, I know the track but I'm also prone to mistakes so I just don't trust myself at that circuit lol

I can’t really speak for going from 30k to 45k, that’s uncharted territory for me. From 10k to 30k though, that’s a cake walk. My DR reset about 2 weeks ago, and just last week at Tokyo, doing what I’d guess was roughly 25ish races (I could be off on that, it might have been closer to 35 races, the last week has been a blur), I gained nearly 20k DR. Maybe I got lucky in that Tokyo is a track I enjoy, and apparently am not entirely slow around (who’da thunk it), but it’s definitely doable without too much effort. My quali time was a 2:08.5xx, which I was pretty stoked about, but I know the really fast people were sub 2:07. My average race laps were in the high 2:10s, low 2:11s. Nothing really that special, I just mention it to show that with what I would call slightly above average pace, I was able to beat majority of the SR:A&B crowd.

Full disclosure I basically ignored my SR during Tokyo week (I started the week low to begin with), so I wasn’t facing the top guys who are fast in SR:S, mostly I was racing against SR:B and A rated drivers, and beating most of them no problem. I would guess that, in theory, you could drop your SR to B or A, get slightly slower folk at the pointy end of the grid, farm a bunch of DR, and then do a couple clean races to get back up to SR:S.

Yeah I guess if you were able to lower your SR by being somewhat dirty, without ruining your positon in the race too much, you could probably keep building your DR through dubious methods haha.

One thing I was wondering is lets say you have a really bad race and you start off and get a penalty and an orange down arrow to your SR because you hit someone by mistake... at what point does quitting the match outweigh staying in and trying to get a clean recovery to reduce the SR points lost?

Is it a fixed amount you lose if you quit? and if so, does it take into account any penalties you incurred at that point?

 

[NoStopN]

Just do your daily workouts, in a few days you'll have a whole collection of Mazda Atenza's in any colour you could dream of 👍

I have a fleet of Mercedes Gr. 4 cars from all of the daily workouts on my main account. Variety is the spice of life GTS.

Can't believe there's gonna be a rainy Tokyo Expressway. That's gonna be nuts.

I will grab the popcorn to watch the carnage. I wouldn't drive that track in the dry & am not suicidal enough to try it in the wet.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I can’t really speak for going from 30k to 45k, that’s uncharted territory for me. From 10k to 30k though, that’s a cake walk. My DR reset about 2 weeks ago, and just last week at Tokyo, doing what I’d guess was roughly 25ish races (I could be off on that, it might have been closer to 35 races, the last week has been a blur), I gained nearly 20k DR. Maybe I got lucky in that Tokyo is a track I enjoy, and apparently am not entirely slow around (who’da thunk it), but it’s definitely doable without too much effort. My quali time was a 2:08.5xx, which I was pretty stoked about, but I know the really fast people were sub 2:07. My average race laps were in the high 2:10s, low 2:11s. Nothing really that special, I just mention it to show that with what I would call slightly above average pace, I was able to beat majority of the SR:A&B crowd.

Full disclosure I basically ignored my SR during Tokyo week (I started the week low to begin with), so I wasn’t facing the top guys who are fast in SR:S, mostly I was racing against SR:B and A rated drivers, and beating most of them no problem. I would guess that, in theory, you could drop your SR to B or A, get slightly slower folk at the pointy end of the grid, farm a bunch of DR, and then do a couple clean races to get back up to SR:S.

The thing about lower SR is that matchmaking is more even. At SR.S you get a few A/S drivers, maybe an A+/S yet mostly D/S unless you only race at prime time. At SR.B you get a full room of B/B drivers, at SR.A you get a lot more A/A drivers than at SR.S. Average room DR is higher at lower SR, thus you can gain more points. Also you have a higher chance of starting on pole and get an easy win.

Reaching A+ is more difficult though. With how the scoring system works you don't get any points from someone with 40K DR less than you. So when you get closer to that 50K, DR.B players will only give you 1 to 40 points each. However getting disconnected or getting punted to last will cost you 120 to 160 points per DR.B player in the room.

Yeah I guess if you were able to lower your SR by being somewhat dirty, without ruining your positon in the race too much, you could probably keep building your DR through dubious methods haha.

One thing I was wondering is lets say you have a really bad race and you start off and get a penalty and an orange down arrow to your SR because you hit someone by mistake... at what point does quitting the match outweigh staying in and trying to get a clean recovery to reduce the SR points lost?

Is it a fixed amount you lose if you quit? and if so, does it take into account any penalties you incurred at that point?

It costs 5 SR when you quit and you lose the chance to gain SR for the remaining sectors. You already lost the SR for the penalties so you might as well stick around. However you also risk getting more penalties since the PZ puts you back in the mess. You can sit the rest of the race out in the pit if it's too dangerous to continue. That won't cost any SR and lower your DR loss since you will still get DR from others that do quit. (But you won't get SR from the remaining sectors if you don't drive)

At some point you need to win at SR.S to get further, however the risks of a bad race or disconnect increase exponentially. The worst is one bad race putting you in the lower SR.S room, then find yourself starting in a full D/S room with you as A/S at the top, then seeing the disconnect message, It has happened to me once. In a race C that will cost you 3k DR Very rare, but it can happen.

With TC? that's a surprise to me, I just assumed all the best guys switched TC off so I forced myself to not use it, which is also why I had a nightmare in the last nations race of the last season with those red bull cars haha...

But yeah, i just honestly didn't assume someone could get beyond 30K or whatever with traction on, I was under the impression that it was that much of a barrier.

I avoided Nord this week tbh, I know the track but I'm also prone to mistakes so I just don't trust myself at that circuit lol

I don't have the finger dexterity anymore for that fine throttle control. In GR.4 last week and N300 this week I don't use TC as it makes zero difference. I still go full power without any loss of traction. GR.3 and GR.1, I need TC or I'll be a danger on the road. Yet perhaps that's why I can't keep up with the A+ crowd at Sarthe. Without TC I won't be able to keep up with the DR.D crowd in GR.1

Oddly the first time I reached DR.S (before it was called A+) was on Monza in GR.1. Thanks to the strict and high shortcut penalties on Monza I was able to snatch many wins from the fast but not so within the lines drivers. An inch too tight could get you up to 8 secs at the chicane. Good old days!

 

[GhostCaliber]

At some point you need to win at SR.S to get further, however the risks of a bad race or disconnect increase exponentially. The worst is one bad race putting you in the lower SR.S room, then find yourself starting in a full D/S room with you as A/S at the top, then seeing the disconnect message, It has happened to me once. In a race C that will cost you 3k DR Very rare, but it can happen.


I don't have the finger dexterity anymore for that fine throttle control. In GR.4 last week and N300 this week I don't use TC as it makes zero difference. I still go full power without any loss of traction. GR.3 and GR.1, I need TC or I'll be a danger on the road. Yet perhaps that's why I can't keep up with the A+ crowd at Sarthe. Without TC I won't be able to keep up with the DR.D crowd in GR.1

Oddly the first time I reached DR.S (before it was called A+) was on Monza in GR.1. Thanks to the strict and high shortcut penalties on Monza I was able to snatch many wins from the fast but not so within the lines drivers. An inch too tight could get you up to 8 secs at the chicane. Good old days!

The disconnection issue is something I never deal with tbh. I can count on one hand how many times I've been disconnected from GT Sport in the last 6 months, & I put that partly down to the internet speed I've got, but mainly down to the solid state drive I fitted in the console. The biggest weakness of the PS4 Pro, besides the cooling problems, is it's god awful old technology standard HDDs, and it seems like a lot of errors, crashes and disconnections in lots of games happen because there's an overload or whatever on the drive, something which an SSD basically eradicates.

Not to mention all bootup times, installs, and all menus generally being super fast & the cooling issues were negated when i re-pasted the APU on the console.

That makes sense with the TC issue, I absolutely love group 1 cars, I think they're the perfect speed for me because I've always been an F1 game person and it took me a while to adjust to slower groups, but Gr.1 is just a joy to drive, even with TC off.

As for finger dexterity, dude how old are you? I dont know why I assumed that you were probably around my age (29), but that cant be the case if you've got old man fingers

 

[Redneckchef]

It is good never to assume someone's age online, especially at an all ages game like GT Sport. Wife stepped in front of TV to put something down as I entered the porsche curves last night in a tight race with an LM55. Bumped them, luckily nothing happened but when I apologized after race got called gramps. It was some young kid. Hell, I'm over 40 but the kids aren't that old yet. I also still do well in higher group cars like Gr. 1 even with my DS4. Not great mind you, but driving style really plays into some of it.

 

[GhostCaliber]

It is good never to assume someone's age online, especially at an all ages game like GT Sport. Wife stepped in front of TV to put something down as I entered the porsche curves last night in a tight race with an LM55. Bumped them, luckily nothing happened but when I apologized after race got called gramps. It was some young kid. Hell, I'm over 40 but the kids aren't that old yet. I also still do well in higher group cars like Gr. 1 even with my DS4. Not great mind you, but driving style really plays into some of it.

I just didn't think you old codgers would play GT Sport

 

[05XR8]

JUst having fun

 

[Sven Jurgens]

The disconnection issue is something I never deal with tbh. I can count on one hand how many times I've been disconnected from GT Sport in the last 6 months, & I put that partly down to the internet speed I've got, but mainly down to the solid state drive I fitted in the console. The biggest weakness of the PS4 Pro, besides the cooling problems, is it's god awful old technology standard HDDs, and it seems like a lot of errors, crashes and disconnections in lots of games happen because there's an overload or whatever on the drive, something which an SSD basically eradicates.

Not to mention all bootup times, installs, and all menus generally being super fast & the cooling issues were negated when i re-pasted the APU on the console.

That makes sense with the TC issue, I absolutely love group 1 cars, I think they're the perfect speed for me because I've always been an F1 game person and it took me a while to adjust to slower groups, but Gr.1 is just a joy to drive, even with TC off.

As for finger dexterity, dude how old are you? I dont know why I assumed that you were probably around my age (29), but that cant be the case if you've got old man fingers

The ps4 has little to do with it, my isp tends to act up now and then. Router issues, too many connections, wifi issues (drill a hole in the hard wood floors for a cable, big no no) and last time it was the power cycling that screwed everything up. Power failures still happen as well :/

I'm at the point where if you round up my age it's the big five O. Still some years to reach that but I better get used to getting close to that number... Too old for fps, but still competitive racing. My fingers has more to do with working behind computers all my life then playing video games in my free time. I didn't think I could use MT anymore but that still works, except now and then my thumb twitches and I find myself in the wrong gear

GR.1 is still fine, I've always been a wipeout / burnout fan. Red bull / Tomahawk however, way too twitchy.

Anyway what I lack in reaction speed I more than make up with patience and experience. Some tracks I've been racing on for over 30 years!

I just didn't think you old codgers would play GT Sport

I tried Fortnite but my 10 year old keeps killing me

 

[williams_v_r]

I must finish the job for race B

 

[05XR8]

Do players really drive like this ALLL the time?

 

[JoeyLeonine]

@Bivittavus88

We could just start our own racing team for the facially insulated, with a 'beard' prefix/suffix...

Beard_JoeyLeonine
JoeyBeard
LionBeard

etc...

Though I may also just make a R4M_LionBeard for the hell of it now...

 

[Redneckchef]

Do players really drive like this ALLL the time?

Yes, yes they do.
@GhostCaliber how dare you call me an old codger, I can still round down to 40(ish)
But I think a lot of us are here because this is the type of game we've always played. I never was remotely competent at fps, but was always good at and enjoyed racing games, back to the old outrun and Road blasters days. Remember a friend who had money getting Gt when it first came out and having me over to pass his driving tests as I could do it but he couldn't. Ahh 🤬, I think I am old

 

[Epic B]

Gonna try no stopping Le Mans in the LM55 again. Has anyone else no stopped that race at least on fuel? The LM55 can make it on tires (not sure about other cars) but I had to limp home on fuel on my first try. This time I'll try a more consistent hypermiling strategy.

 

[JoeyLeonine]

Do players really drive like this ALLL the time?

Ah. Well. Yes.

To be fair, I'd say only 10% is intentional malice though...

90% is a mixture of impatience, incompetence but also unawareness - I.e. no radar/mirror checking...

Impatience is the real killer though in my mind. Autopolis does tend to bring out the worst in people too. Because it's a long lap of following behind people taking slightly different, inconsistent lines and suddenly a little hint of space appears on the inside of a corner for a split second and everyone goes full send out of frustration.

Just wait! There's a long straight and a hairpin coming up. You can make the pass then! In fact, I'll even let you through so we avoid carnage... But no... You wanna come through there in that ridiculous place because I've got a smidge of understeer and you've got a bit more traction, oh, I'm spinning in the grass and you have a penalty. Well done. Well done.

 

[El_Beardo]

Last night's efforts.

Seeing as I ruined my "from the back" week by accidentally crossing the line in the Peugeot, I'm going to set a proper quali time tonight, and go for a couple of wins.

Race pace is now in the high 3:26/low 3:27s.

Over the weekend, I'll improve my EMEA quali time, and try not to lose too much DR.

 

[Leftcurl]

absolute bloody nonsense sometimes this game... and i'm the guy that normally laughs in the face of a puntfest and just gets on with it. Last night race C - started P2 and thought ok, there's a Toyota on pole so just stick in his slip and we're all good. An LM55 in P3, so i'm thinking he'll have me on Mulsanne but will probably pit at some point - either way - there's a chance of a win.
First chicane on Mulsanne and i'm still P2 - all good - in the approach to the 2nd chicane i can see the LM55 is fast on my tail, but then you think... just brake early and we all get through safely... no chance.. divebomb and fishtail combo bonus with me being used as a nice guide rail and sent to next week in the sand!
It didn't get any better.. ridiculous overtaking attempts into Arnage and Indianapolis gave me my first 3 lap times of 3:48, 3:48, 3:43... then managed a 3:28 and 3:27 to finish in about P6 or some crap!
And still.... I love Sarthe!