"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[EinsTheOne]

Was really hoping Spa would be race B, but I avoid race C too much and should probably stop doing that.

I completely forgot about the rolling starts, that'll be a challenge in itself so quali will be key.

It'll be late, but gonna try a test lobby with these settings tonight to see what I'm getting in to.

My case is the complete opposite...
I avoid races A and B entirely...

PD uses tyre wear as a way to balance cars, so removing tyre wear out of the equation kinda breaks the game IMO...

 

[Ashthebash]

Just jumped into a lobby to test next week's Race C. Fair to say that next week I won't be racing in the Huracan, it spent the whole time trying to kill me! I know it's twitchy at the best of times but I'm capable of driving it at a good pace and was hanging onto it on nearly every part of the track that wasn't straight!

It'll be interesting where the penalty zone will be and if, as it was in the lobby, it'll be a 0.5s penalty for cutting Raidillon. As I foresee a lot of deliberate cutting due to the amount of time that can be gained

 

[EinsTheOne]

It also helps with keeping a clear view of the track and what's ahead of the car you're behind.

As someone who races in 1st person, this is crucial.... Driving too close to someone means I often can't see my braking points...

I have to run practice sessions in which I simply look for braking points in taller objects in the environment...

 

[sturk0167]

I wonder how much the penalty would be for this?


@Pigems I really tried not to hit you. Almost

 

[EinsTheOne]

Applying pressure also makes the car ahead slower, giving the field behind a chance to close the gap. Save some fuel, pick the right time to floor it.

Unfortunately this can't be applied to every situation...
I remember last time out at Interlagos, there was an F-Type in 2nd place in the opening laps and my plan was to follow him so the 3 of us upfront could build a gap from the rest of the field, but the F-Type was so slow on pace and basically the guy in 1st just took off...

I couldn't pass him in the corners because he was all over the place and it was too dangerous, I couldn't pass him on the straights because I was driving the Gr.4 NSX which is much slower than the F-Type and fuel wasn't an issue in that specific race...
It was the most frustrating 4th place finish ever...

 

[Sven Jurgens]

My case is the complete opposite...
I avoid races A and B entirely...

PD uses tyre wear as a way to balance cars, so removing tyre wear out of the equation kinda breaks the game IMO...

You sure about that? In my experience tire wear and fuel saving are unbalancing bop. They also give a slight advantage to wheel users. GR.3 and GR.4 it's not that bad, GR.1 is terribly unbalanced with tires and fuel. (Although GR.1 is a mess anyway)

It's more fun for me though, lot of free passes when people pit. Learning MT is crucial to do well in race C. Short shifting is the biggest tool to do well in fuel use races. I'm just not good at preserving tires on a DS4, thus some cars always try to kill me after a few laps

Just jumped into a lobby to test next week's Race C. Fair to say that next week I won't be racing in the Huracan, it spent the whole time trying to kill me! I know it's twitchy at the best of times but I'm capable of driving it at a good pace and was hanging onto it on nearly every part of the track that wasn't straight!

It'll be interesting where the penalty zone will be and if, as it was in the lobby, it'll be a 0.5s penalty for cutting Raidillon. As I foresee a lot of deliberate cutting due to the amount of time that can be gained

Right before the braking zone for the chicane just to troll everyone I wonder if there will be a reset for going straight at Eau Rouge. There is a nice service road there to skip the whole thing



I went back to the Supra, give it another go for 4 races. Very nice car to drive from the back

13:00 S14 F05 8:26.535 SR 91 DR 43139 No Stop, Toyota Supra, FL, FM2 part lap 1, bugged start, rammed off in NGP lap 1 to last
13:30 S16 F04 8:25.603 SR 94 DR 43536 No Stop, Toyota Supra, FL, FM2 part lap 1
14:00 S14 F03 8:25.660 SR 99 DR 43903 No Stop, Toyota Supra, FL, CRB, FM2 part lap 1
14:30 S15 F06 8:25.959 SR 99 DR 43838 No Stop, Toyota Supra, FL, CRB, FM2 part lap 1

Very consistent. Unfortunately no draft opportunities in lap 2, can go faster. My updated top 5

8:24.449 (8:23.010) Lexus RC F '17, good on fuel
8:24.674 (8:29.450) Corvette C7, tight on fuel ***
8:25.600 (8:26.630) AMG, good on fuel
8:25.603 (8:30.220) Toyota Supra, low on fuel FM2
8:26.083 (8:31.016) Ford GT, good on fuel

Ford GT is an anomaly in there. I happened to have the perfect drafting combination with that car, towed along to set that second lap time. Corvette is next up for some further 'testing'. Just an excuse to play more

 

[Redneckchef]

@Mc_Yavel There is nothing wrong with that overtake at all. Clean with no contact. At the Nord I've found that in several places that is the only way possible as a car driving in the middle completely blocks the track. Wait until you try that and they hit you, crash and you get the penalty for knocking them off even though they had to drive onto the grass to get a shot at you.
I say Great Pass

 

[Tea_Leaves]

Next week's races are up

A: Another cookie cutter Race A. This will mark the 17th(!) time Central Outer Loop has been used. If PD are going to consistently use Tokyo, why not South Inner Loop, Central Inner Loop or East Inner Loop... N100 will likely be the Mazda Demio.

B: Not a fan of RBR. Previous Gr.4 race here was in December last year so at least not a recent repeat.

C: This saves the week from being very mediocre. Gr.3 fits like a glove, IMO. Looking forward to it.

 

[Granadier]

Looks like Spa all week then. RBR is a death trap for me.

edit: Taking bets on how many cars will be able to fit through Eau Rouge/Raidillon at once

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Looks like Spa all week then. RBR is a death trap for me.

No doubt Spa will be a death trap as well while people figure out the track limits or are busy looking at the mini map to figure out what turn comes up next

 

[Mistah_MCA]

Race C: SPA - Gr.3 (8 laps, RH tires, Fuel x5, Tires x7)
(YASSSS BOYS)

400 IQ prediction. I knew it was going to happen.*

*I made a preview lap guide on Spa (the night it came out) with a Gr. 3 car, using Racing Hard tires.

 

[Mc_Yavel]

I've found that you gotta find your rhythm, and be consistent even around traffic . If someone ahead of you has good racecraft and decent speed, apply steady pressure and try to force a mistake . I figure even if I can't get by there's a chance that we'll gap the field behind us .

Yeah, it's so hard to overtake on that track. With the chance of getting a penality for no good reason, I also prefer to put pressure.

Sometimes it work well.

 

[Granadier]

No doubt Spa will be a death trap as well while people figure out the track limits or are busy looking at the mini map to figure out what turn comes up next

And I'll have my lap experience in and way out front from everyone! this won't actually happen i predict a belgian bloodbath

400 IQ prediction. I knew it was going to happen.*

*I made a preview lap guide on Spa (the night it came out) with a Gr. 3 car, using Racing Hard tires.

Quick, what are the winning lotto numbers!?

 

[Sven Jurgens]

The Vette has taken the top spot again in my list

8:24.180 (8:29.450) Corvette C7, tight on fuel ***
8:24.449 (8:23.010) Lexus RC F '17, good on fuel

I'm getting closer to that 8:23

Yet just now a Beetle did 8:22 while drafting an AMG that won with 8:18 lap. I'm so slow
That old time of 8:23.010 is bugging me!

 

[Mistah_MCA]

Quick, what are the winning lotto numbers!?

42 23 1 16 38 50

 

[Granadier]

The Vette has taken the top spot again in my list

8:24.180 (8:29.450) Corvette C7, tight on fuel ***
8:24.449 (8:23.010) Lexus RC F '17, good on fuel

I'm getting closer to that 8:23

Yet just now a Beetle did 8:22 while drafting an AMG that won with 8:18 lap. I'm so slow
That old time of 8:23.010 is bugging me!

Sitting here with my 8:34 lap time wondering how the hell the top 10 is into the 8:04 range

 

[250Cal]

The Vette has taken the top spot again in my list

8:24.180 (8:29.450) Corvette C7, tight on fuel ***
8:24.449 (8:23.010) Lexus RC F '17, good on fuel

I'm getting closer to that 8:23

Yet just now a Beetle did 8:22 while drafting an AMG that won with 8:18 lap. I'm so slow
That old time of 8:23.010 is bugging me!

8:18 for both the Corvette and AMG in qually. 8:19 for the Supra. I've hit a bit of a glass ceiling here now. Can't see the obvious error that I'm making that would be worth the 5-6 seconds to get me back to where I've been before.

 

[Voodoovaj]

8:18 for both the Corvette and AMG in qually. 8:19 for the Supra. I've hit a bit of a glass ceiling here now. Can't see the obvious error that I'm making that would be worth the 5-6 seconds to get me back to where I've been before.

Sitting here with my 8:34 lap time wondering how the hell the top 10 is into the 8:04 range

8:0X is rarefied air. It takes some special skills to get down that low.

Mid teens is good. The Vette is a good event car, but I wouldn't call it a good qualifying car. I would say the same is the case for the AMG. I think high teens are great Q times for those cars.

My fastest times were set with the NSX, RCZ, and Huracan. The Huracan delivered my fastest time (8:15). They aren't necessarily good event cars, but they will put down a good Q lap.

 

[Invisigoth]

Porsche is also best on fuel, next to Peugeot RCZ and Atenza.
BMW and McLaren are out again, Supra will be very tight, Corvette as well but that car likes short shifting.

I'm not as good at tyre management, so second lap I tend to use more fuel having to drop gears to save the car from coming off the track. Both the M6 and Supra ran out of fuel on me. I'm surprised the Porsche did well for you fuel wise. For me it's at it's bet when it's revving it' nuts off...not the best thing for fuel saving ! I'm glad they havn't nerfed the Lexus. So far for me that's been the best for fuel saving. I had 0.3 laps if fuel left when I crossed the line *and* I could actually keep the darn thing on the track!

And this is how I got my first win

Honestly, in the cockpit vue I thouth I was at least 2 wheels on track.
Last week I lost a win like that. Karma I suppose.

If someone manages a pass like that on me and they don't hit me in the process I say good on em 👍,

 

[Sven Jurgens]

8:18 for both the Corvette and AMG in qually. 8:19 for the Supra. I've hit a bit of a glass ceiling here now. Can't see the obvious error that I'm making that would be worth the 5-6 seconds to get me back to where I've been before.

I think the 8:14 qualy I did in March was when PD had it's medium tire streak. There was a period when all the races were on mediums. That would explain the 5 seconds difference since in June I was at 8:19

I'm not as good at tyre management, so second lap I tend to use more fuel having to drop gears to save the car from coming off the track. Both the M6 and Supra ran out of fuel on me. I'm surprised the Porsche did well for you fuel wise. For me it's at it's bet when it's revving it' nuts off...not the best thing for fuel saving ! I'm glad they havn't nerfed the Lexus. So far for me that's been the best for fuel saving. I had 0.3 laps if fuel left when I crossed the line *and* I could actually keep the darn thing on the track!

Both the M6 and Supra benefit from running most of lap 1 in fm2. Easy for me since I'm drafting from the back. I short shift the Porsche, didn't think about that making it slower. Probably why it didn't make my top 10.

Although when I tested for the N24 endurance race it was both faster and better at fuel

On one tank:
8:15.784 4.6 laps Porsche 911
8:17.196 4.4 laps Lexus RC F '17

That was just an estimate though, I didn't run the full laps so Lexus was probably faster in the end.

 

[CTRL Garage]

I've found that you gotta find your rhythm, and be consistent even around traffic . If someone ahead of you has good racecraft and decent speed, apply steady pressure and try to force a mistake . I figure even if I can't get by there's a chance that we'll gap the field behind us .

Yeah I'm usually hanging back and letting guys take each other out or only overtaking where comfortable or in a decent manner, seen way too many attempts into last apex of willow where whoever is on the outside just gets pushed off because a ridiculous divebomb

 

[El_Beardo]

I'm not as good at tyre management

I'm no pro. But, lift off the throttle before you need to brake. Trail brake as little as possible. Accelerate in as straight a line as possible. The less you're asking the tyres to do, the longer they'll last.

TCS on 1 will also help the rears. Less spinning, less wear. Obviously.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Ugh awful race. I was racing someone going plenty fast, but he caught me out in one corner (before the middle straight) where he suddenly braked super early. I couldn't avoid, hit him, 4 sec penalty, and got nailed by the traffic behind, to last. Then on lap 2 I'm behind him again and he does the same thing in just that one corner. No traffic behind so I kept my distance. Then he swerve blocks me on the straight :/

Oh well, filed in the back of my mind for future races. I got quite a database floating around in there of people's driving styles Only 1 SR lost and 700 DR. That's about 8 good races where I am currently lol.

 

[250Cal]

I think the 8:14 qualy I did in March was when PD had it's medium tire streak. There was a period when all the races were on mediums. That would explain the 5 seconds difference since in June I was at 8:19

Could be wrong but I'd expect the medium tyre to be worth a lot more than 5 seconds.

8:18.2 is top 500 EMEA, 8:17.3 is top 400, 8:16.1 is top 300, 8:14.9 top 200, 8:13 top 100. Basically, it's 100 positions per second. Then you see that the fastest time in the region is 2.2 seconds faster than 2nd, which is screwing my %age delta. Looking at the times and names, it's me that's slower.

It's amazing how over an 8 min lap it's hard to find a few tenths, never mind the 10 seconds.

 

[Mistah_MCA]

I'm no pro. But, lift off the throttle before you need to brake. Trail brake as little as possible. Accelerate in as straight a line as possible. The less you're asking the tyres to do, the longer they'll last.

TCS on 1 will also help the rears. Less spinning, less wear. Obviously.

Another thing to add: consider adjusting brake balance. It'll vary between each car and track, but when it comes to tire wear, you want to try to have even wear. Front tires wearing fast? Move the brake balance to the rear. Rear tires wearing fast? Move brake balance to the front.

It's not a cure to the wear, especially on tracks where either the front or back tires are really stressed, but it helps your tires last a little bit longer.

 

[NoStopN]

Taking bets on how many cars will be able to fit through Eau Rouge/Raidillon at once

One is pushing the limit.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Could be wrong but I'd expect the medium tyre to be worth a lot more than 5 seconds.

8:18.2 is top 500 EMEA, 8:17.3 is top 400, 8:16.1 is top 300, 8:14.9 top 200, 8:13 top 100. Basically, it's 100 positions per second. Then you see that the fastest time in the region is 2.2 seconds faster than 2nd, which is screwing my %age delta. Looking at the times and names, it's me that's slower.

It's amazing how over an 8 min lap it's hard to find a few tenths, never mind the 10 seconds.

I dunno, comparing the 2 leaderboards for Americas

https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/rankings.php?sec=daily&eid=17942
https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/rankings.php?sec=daily&eid=19330

June is definitely slower than March. Is that just a physics change or tires?
Those outliers are weird too. 3 seconds between 1st and 2nd in June

 

[Odiesback]

Nice battles today at N24 with SvennoJ. - too bad in one of them I miscalculated the fuel usage and run out of gas approaching the bridge on back straight.

Last one finished in 10th and now on to Friday’s night out!

 

[Mistah_MCA]

One is pushing the limit.

If anyone here comes across their Daily Race where people go at least three-wide through Eau Rouge, PLEASE save a replay of it and share it here, as it will be a treasured moment, and perhaps mark the peak of GTSport.

 

[Redneckchef]

So what I'm seeing all over the place is that I am definitely going to have to learn Spa, and work on fuel saving while doing it? This is going to be a challenge. Not exactly excited to go to the Bull Ring again. I was having a nightmare last time in the GR3 cars but haven't ever done it in GR4 as far as I know. Hmmm.
As for the Nord, you guys getting under 8:30 seems to mystify me, but I keep screwing up so I suppose there isn't a whole lot of mystery as to why I am slow. I need to check some of my replays, seen plenty of people trying a pass around the outside of the last turn at Big Willow?!?!? Never seen anyone pull it off and haven't seen anyone survive without going off track either. Any of you dealt with this?