"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Sven Jurgens]

Nice battles today at N24 with SvennoJ. - too bad in one of them I miscalculated the fuel usage and run out of gas approaching the bridge on back straight.

Last one finished in 10th and now on to Friday’s night out!

Aye, always a pleasure racing you! Very consistent, saving me lots of fuel
See you again tomorrow on the track. It's going to rain all day here, good excuse to waste the day at the ring.

 

[Qyn]

I use it as an opportunity to save fuel, coast a bit into turns, use higher gears. Applying pressure doesn't really work as when the car ahead messes up you either have to brake to avoid them or run into them. I find that keeping a few car lengths distance gives me the perfect position to pounce when the car ahead struggles with a corner. It also helps with keeping a clear view of the track and what's ahead of the car you're behind.

Applying pressure also makes the car ahead slower, giving the field behind a chance to close the gap. Save some fuel, pick the right time to floor it.

(erm oops, was going to merge that, sorry for double post)

I use it as an opportunity to save fuel, coast a bit into turns, use higher gears. Applying pressure doesn't really work as when the car ahead messes up you either have to brake to avoid them or run into them. I find that keeping a few car lengths distance gives me the perfect position to pounce when the car ahead struggles with a corner. It also helps with keeping a clear view of the track and what's ahead of the car you're behind.

Applying pressure also makes the car ahead slower, giving the field behind a chance to close the gap. Save some fuel, pick the right time to floor it.

(erm oops, was going to merge that, sorry for double post)

I can understand keeping a little distance. Especially at N24. That's what I mean when I say steady pressure . Just being in their rear view constantly. Doesn't have to be right on their bumper.

Yeah I'm usually hanging back and letting guys take each other out or only overtaking where comfortable or in a decent manner, seen way too many attempts into last apex of willow where whoever is on the outside just gets pushed off because a ridiculous divebomb

I never attempt a pass at the final turn at willow . I lift waaaaay before and give the car ahead just enough room to maneuver. Then wait to see if they drop a tire off track .

 

[NoStopN]

Not exactly excited to go to the Bull Ring again. I was having a nightmare last time in the GR3 cars but haven't ever done it in GR4 as far as I know. I need to check some of my replays, seen plenty of people trying a pass around the outside of the last turn at Big Willow?!?!? Never seen anyone pull it off and haven't seen anyone survive without going off track either. Any of you dealt with this?

I haven't run RBR in GR. 4 either, but the last time with Gr. 3, I snagged a win, so I'm there next week. As for passing on the outside of the final turn at Willow, I haven't seen it end well. I had someone go inside of me there & I gave him space. I was in the gravel when all was said & done. I did pull an outside pass on the long uphill turn 2 the other night. 👍

As for right now, I bought an 86 on my R4M account & 5 laps later, a new PB of 1:17.490 with optimal 17.356.

 

[sturk0167]

Here's what I do when P1 tries to hand me a victory.
Only alternative was to hit him, but I would have lost anyway, because of a penalty. Oh well.


On a brighter note, after that race, I got myself back in the top 10.

 

[Kevstah2004]

There's this GT-R, but that's kind of the opposite way round:
https://www.gtplanet.net/drove-nissan-gt-r-playstation-controller-worked/

I remember when Villeneuve said games where harder because you just don’t get the same feedback.
People would probably a lot quicker if the viewpoint was more realistic imo, like Verstappen preferring to use the nose cam in Projects Cars Pro.
If PD has telemetry though, why is the AI so slow???

 

[Redsea666]

This week has positively crushed my DR, but it's been fun. I can either do great or finish last it seems, depending on the night. Last night was the latter again. Here I am at N24, completely outclassed in my lobby, awaiting another spanking. We'll see.....

 

[astrarobotica]

I'm excited for Spa next week. It seems like tyre wear and track limit penalties will be the biggest issues. There's such a fine margin between going too easy and losing time or going too fast and over the limits of the circuit. I'm gonna try to practice a bit this weekend because I know a lot of people will just be going into that race blind.

I remember when Villeneuve said games where harder because you just don’t get the same feedback.
People would probably a lot quicker if the viewpoint was more realistic imo, like Verstappen preferring to use the nose cam in Projects Cars Pro.
If PD has telemetry though, why is the AI so slow???

I think it's also much easier to push too hard in a game since there's no real risk outside of having a bad race. I still think GT Sport has the best organised online racing on consoles, and I'll always prefer that. But sometimes I just wanna do a custom race (like a two hour race on N24 at night), and it sucks the challenge is just nonexistent 95% of the time. It's not even just that they're too slow, but you can't even race them closely because of how early they brake. I appreciate the focus on online racing, but the AI feels intentionally bad sometimes.

 

[Redsea666]

Yup. Hit the wall overgassing at start in the chicane at P14. Fought back to P12 and then was continually rammed until the no qt douchebags got in front, all serving penalties that didn't help me at all. P16 finish and almost back to 1 DR. Let's see if I can find some traction (literally) at Willow Springs.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I remember when Villeneuve said games where harder because you just don’t get the same feedback.
People would probably a lot quicker if the viewpoint was more realistic imo, like Verstappen preferring to use the nose cam in Projects Cars Pro.
If PD has telemetry though, why is the AI so slow???

It is indeed easier in VR. Peripheral vision helps a lot to feel your lateral movement. I can set faster lap times in VR.

 

[Granadier]

Has PD forgotten about the other tire compounds? Fourth week in a row where only hard is available.

 

[astrarobotica]

Has PD forgotten about the other tire compounds? Fourth week in a row where only hard is available.

I would appreciate it if they could strike a balance more often between one-stop on mediums or no-stop on hards for Daily Race C. It's even more frustrating when tyre wear and fuel consumption don't even play into strategy. Last week at Interlagos tyre wear was only really affected by car choice, and fuel didn't matter. Same thing at Tokyo in the wet a couple weeks ago.

 

[Mistah_MCA]

Has PD forgotten about the other tire compounds? Fourth week in a row where only hard is available.

Be careful now, as they can potentially bring in Comfort Hard into the mix.

 

[CTRL Garage]

I never attempt a pass at the final turn at willow . I lift waaaaay before and give the car ahead just enough room to maneuver. Then wait to see if they drop a tire off track .

Welcome to lower DR

 

[DelboyD]

60 odd laps at Big Willow and I still can't break sub 1:17.
I've done a 1:17.163, but I've also done lots of laps with errors trying to find the last bits of time.

BB at -3. I've tried BB at +2 and it does feel easier to turn in at the final corner.

That the top EMEA time is in the 1:15s feels completely unreachable to me. Proper skills!

Need a break. Weather is rubbish today in London, so at least that means plenty of GTS time!

I'm a fan of Spa. Looking forward to that with the GR3 cars next week.

I've followed Formula 1 since the mid-1980s, so to me it is one of the classic tracks with lots of memorbale races.....and crashes:

 

[Lazybike]

I'm hoping it's the Beetle for race A, it's a fun combo.

 

[Illum_Concept]

The pace in race B rooms was phenomenal last night. Hit a1:16.9 qualifying time and was starting anywhere between 9th and 12th. Managed to improve it between races by a few thousandths and creep into the .8s, which nudged me forward a couple of spots but still couldn't catch the podium guys. Best finish was 4th, pretty good racing. Still DR down though from the odd bump which at Big Willow ends up being catastrophic!

In preparation for next week, it's possible that I once raced on Spa whilst playing Super Monaco GP on my buddy's Sega Genesis. That would be about1990. I'm certain that's enough experience to blindly dive into next weeks race C.

 

[250Cal]

60 odd laps at Big Willow and I still can't break sub 1:17.
I've done a 1:17.163, but I've also done lots of laps with errors trying to find the last bits of time.

BB at -3. I've tried BB at +2 and it does feel easier to turn in at the final corner.

That the top EMEA time is in the 1:15s feels completely unreachable to me. Proper skills!

Need a break. Weather is rubbish today in London, so at least that means plenty of GTS time!

I'm a fan of Spa. Looking forward to that with the GR3 cars next week.

I've followed Formula 1 since the mid-1980s, so to me it is one of the classic tracks with lots of memorbale races.....and crashes:

Which car are you using?

 

[DelboyD]

Which car are you using?

Toyota 86.

 

[The_Tullster]

A couple of nice races tonight, including a podium P3 in the second race courtesy of the lead car leaving or disconnecting literally as it crossed the finish line. And for the first time all week a decent DR increase, hopefully reversing what has been a steady downward trend from low B to my current mid 7K.

Unfortunately accidentally punted a driver in the first race when he got in the dirt exiting T1 at Big Willow and returned to the track just in front of me. I had anticipated that he would do the usual slide across the track but he recovered control almost as soon as he was on the sealed surface and appears to have held it to the right to make way for the fast car . The resulting rear end put him off on the outside of T2. The penalty system was merciful and gave me no penalty, can't understand why not as that would have been the usual pattern and one could argue I deserved it for not taking a smarter evasive action.

 

[Tea_Leaves]

Has PD forgotten about the other tire compounds? Fourth week in a row where only hard is available.

PD never forget Heavy Wet and Intermediate for when there's no rain. Those are an option if you wish switch it up and use a different tyre strategy.

I'm hoping it's the Beetle for race A, it's a fun combo.

It's fun although overdone. There's never been a race on the short layouts of St. Croix or Autopolis. Either would be perfect for N100.

At the least, I'd like to have seen one of the lesser used Tokyo layouts but why not Central Outer for the 17th time.

 

[250Cal]

Toyota 86.

I'm no expert, there are much quicker people posting in here but I found that the GT86 was slower than last time this combo came up (1:16.8 vs 1:16.4), not sure if that's BoP or physics or maybe just me, I don't keep track. I definitely find a rearward brake bias is the best way to get the the car in to the corners and carry the speed. I found a tenth in T1 but trying to extract every bit of speed with trail braking and getting back on the power early. Same with T3. It's probably not genius level insight to say that T3-6 are where there's big chunks of time - getting out of T6 as smooth and fast as possible is obviously crucial.

For what it's worth, it took me about a dozen laps to beat my GT86 time using the Trophy (1:16.6 but I haven't ground it out as I've been battling the 'ring), again with rearward bias. I often find the top 10 ghosts are too quick to be of use and studying replays is a better learning tool.

 

[EinsTheOne]

Alright, I was strapped for time, but I was able to run 2 scrapy laps for 9 cars (RC-F, Corvette, FT-1, NSX, RC-Z, GT (Ford), 458, AMG-GT, F-Type) at SPA with next week's Race C settings.

I can't talk about their strong suits and handling characteristics because, as I said, I only drove 2 laps with each car, but I can layout the fuel situation for each one of them..

NOTE:
-I short shifted all cars at exactly 50% of the bar.
-These numbers were registered at the end of lap 2/beginning of lap 3


Format: car name - Laps Remaining (percentage of remaining fuel)

RC-F - 5.3 (70%)
Corvette - 4.1 (64%)
FT-1 - 5.1 (69%)
NSX - 5.9 (72%)
RC-Z - 5.6 (71%)
GT (Ford) - 5.1 (70%)
458 - 5.6 (71%)
AMG GT - 5.1 (69%)
F-Type - 5.0 (69%)

Looking at these numbers and considering I was already short shifting at 50%, I'm seriously considering pitting next week... I just don't know how much time I'd lose..

Also, the laps weren't always consistent..
I did catch myself revving slightly higher than 50% of the bar on the first and last corners as I took those in 1st gear...
I also did go off a couple of times at Eau Rouge, nothing that would affect fuel usage...

So take these numbers as you will...
I'd appreciate if anyone could share their thoughts on whatever car they're using next week...

 

[DelboyD]

I'm no expert, there are much quicker people posting in here but I found that the GT86 was slower than last time this combo came up (1:16.8 vs 1:16.4), not sure if that's BoP or physics or maybe just me, I don't keep track. I definitely find a rearward brake bias is the best way to get the the car in to the corners and carry the speed. I found a tenth in T1 but trying to extract every bit of speed with trail braking and getting back on the power early. Same with T3. It's probably not genius level insight to say that T3-6 are where there's big chunks of time - getting out of T6 as smooth and fast as possible is obviously crucial.

For what it's worth, it took me about a dozen laps to beat my GT86 time using the Trophy (1:16.6 but I haven't ground it out as I've been battling the 'ring), again with rearward bias. I often find the top 10 ghosts are too quick to be of use and studying replays is a better learning tool.

Thanks for advice.

I’m about .400 faster in the Toyota this time, but that’s because I’ve improved.

I haven’t tried any other cars.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Alright, I was strapped for time, but I was able to run 2 scrapy laps for 9 cars (RC-F, Corvette, FT-1, NSX, RC-Z, GT (Ford), 458, AMG-GT, F-Type) at SPA with next week's Race C settings.

I can't talk about their strong suits and handling characteristics because, as I said, I only drove 2 laps with each car, but I can layout the fuel situation for each one of them..

NOTE:
-I short shifted all cars at exactly 50% of the bar.
-These numbers were registered at the end of lap 2/beginning of lap 3


Format: car name - Laps Remaining (percentage of remaining fuel)

RC-F - 5.3 (70%)
Corvette - 4.1 (64%)
FT-1 - 5.1 (69%)
NSX - 5.9 (72%)
RC-Z - 5.6 (71%)
GT (Ford) - 5.1 (70%)
458 - 5.6 (71%)
AMG GT - 5.1 (69%)
F-Type - 5.0 (69%)

Looking at these numbers and considering I was already short shifting at 50%, I'm seriously considering pitting next week... I just don't know how much time I'd lose..

Also, the laps weren't always consistent..
I did catch myself revving slightly higher than 50% of the bar on the first and last corners as I took those in 1st gear...
I also did go off a couple of times at Eau Rouge, nothing that would affect fuel usage...

So take these numbers as you will...
I'd appreciate if anyone could share their thoughts on whatever car they're using next week...

All of them naturally

That's pretty much in line with how they perform fuel wise on the N24. You might want to try the Porsche which seems most fuel efficient and the BMW M6 / McLaren 650S / which are least fuel efficient. That should give the range difference.

 

[EinsTheOne]

All of them naturally

That's pretty much in line with how they perform fuel wise on the N24. You might want to try the Porsche which seems most fuel efficient and the BMW M6 / McLaren 650S / which are least fuel efficient. That should give the range difference.

Omg how on earth did I miss the Porsche?

Anyway, I'd completely forgetten you had a crazy amount of miles with various cars in this week's race C which has the same settings as next week's...

What would you say is the best car overall?
I remember seeing a comment of you praising the RC-F and RC-Z for their fuel efficiency, but is there any other stand out?

 

[6BK]

The pace in race B rooms was phenomenal last night. Hit a1:16.9 qualifying time and was starting anywhere between 9th and 12th. Managed to improve it between races by a few thousandths and creep into the .8s, which nudged me forward a couple of spots but still couldn't catch the podium guys. Best finish was 4th, pretty good racing. Still DR down though from the odd bump which at Big Willow ends up being catastrophic!

In preparation for next week, it's possible that I once raced on Spa whilst playing Super Monaco GP on my buddy's Sega Genesis. That would be about1990. I'm certain that's enough experience to blindly dive into next weeks race C.

B rooms last night were fun (Daily B in DR B). I stayed off races for a few days both because I was busy and because I was seriously p***ed off after last weeks punt fests. When I did my first Daily B last night I did feel a little peeved. Then I realised that because work has been really stressful lately I was wound up and the pushing and bumping in the race was annoying me more because I was already stressed. Perhaps this is not a good game to play if you just want to unwind after a tough week. Still I finished 5th in the Trophy up 4 places. Next 3 races I used the Scirocco (got my Q time just into the 17's with it) and while no more top 5's I went up between 3 and 5 places every race in what were very competitive and very clean races. Disappointingly the game gave no SR up points in races where I'd had only one orange SR down sector for a bump from behind so my SR was not climbing even though the races were good. On the other hand, the races were good, close, fun and left me feeling a little better about the game.

 

[Granadier]

As is tradition, the Vette is a thirsty dog. Although shifting at 50% is nearly where you'd normally shift (~75%) so that might be closer to full-out fuel use.

Last night I ran the RSR around Spa to test fuel usage. With short shifting I think you could make it the 8 laps. Unsure of how much time is lost from pitting though.

I did find out that if you skip the bus stop in its entirety by going through the grass you'll get a 7s penalty, so that's nice.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Beware it's Saturday. Same race, same Brazilian

A lot of red ratings after the races. Down to 93 SR from that. I made it back to 5th, still lost DR.

 

[Granadier]

Beware it's Saturday. Same race, same Brazilian

A lot of red ratings after the races. Down to 93 SR from that. I made it back to 5th, still lost DR.

This is bullcrap, but also I have to applaud you for steering away from the group in that first gif.

 

[williams_v_r]

Beware it's Saturday. Same race, same Brazilian

A lot of red ratings after the races. Down to 93 SR from that. I made it back to 5th, still lost DR.

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