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After last night's disaster with match fixing when I was expecting to find my peeps (Gr4 on a nice open track should be their thing), and getting stuck with DR/As and Bs, I needed to recover some lost SR. I suspect the crappy match up was due to being close to SR/A. So... I did waht I wasn't going to do this week, Race C. Like the track, and this is going to unpopular, but I HATE *anything* formula, 1 or otherwise :mad:.

I beat @The_Tullster 's qualy, which had me starting, no surprise, P15/17 as one of 4 DR/Ds. 10 x DR/Bs.

Race starts, and I get ahead of 3 people before T1 (my launch control is the handbrake, which I have mapped to L1, R1 is overtake). I was in the middle of a pack going around T1, and was knocked off. I was in the middle of a pack at T2, and was knocked off. I got to T3, and yes.. I was knocked off. By this stage I was in last place :rolleyes:.

Head down, bum up and doing laps like qualifying, except pass button worked, so it got used to try and catch up. I did a no stopper, as suggested, softs at the front, hards at the back. The fronts were not happy, but at my pace, it didn't effect my lap times and handling was fine. I made up some places and finished 1 up on my starting position :odd:.

Ya should see the damage Bronze! Metal damage... BRAIN damage....but not massive amounts of damage to my DR/SR. Stage 1 of my cunning plan was almost a complete success... I was 1 point away from getting back to 99 :dopey:. Because I knew that a) I was going to be massively unfairly matched, I also knew that I would finish low, and b) also that the points loss would be quite a lot less than if I had been fairly matched. DR down 280. I can live with that. If stage 2 of my cunning plan is successful, I should start somewhere in the top 8 in a grid of my peers at Spa tomorrow and hopefully get back those 280 points 👍.

Another day above DR 1 :indiff:.
 
juanito0585
Does anyone of you found cheaters at Spa this week? I thought this was no longer an issue but yesterday night did 4/5 laps in qualy, with the ghost of the P10 player. I followed quite close through the whole lap but when reaching the braking point for the chicane his ghost just turned right cutting all of the bus stop, reaching the painted area in the right on the exit and keeping the car there until crossing the line (or almost)

It really took me by surprise, is everyone doing this again?
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I had a tight, slightly aggressive bout with a M6 before and when my Viper slipstreamed ahead of him he got so desperate (fight for p9) that he tried to pull this on lap 2. Too bad he missed a little and got airborne over the hump, crossed the track right in front of me and ended up on the wrong side of the wall.

Edit: we had a held up start where a guy in a McLaren must have tabbed out of game because autodrive got stuck at him.
 
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Sadness in the bard house this morning as he has another snow day but his PS4 won’t send a signal to the TV. It’s the one I got on launch day in 2014 or whatever, so it’s put it’s time in.

In negotiations with the wife for a replacement. If it weren’t Christmastime, I would just go buy a new one, but we’ve done a fair amount of shopping and we have to travel for the holiday.

I did see someone selling a bundled PS4 and thrustmaster TS300 or whatever for $399 with some other goodies on Craigslist. Just nervous to buy a system used like that.
 
roamingbard13
Sadness in the bard house this morning as he has another snow day but his PS4 won’t send a signal to the TV. It’s the one I got on launch day in 2014 or whatever, so it’s put it’s time in.

In negotiations with the wife for a replacement. If it weren’t Christmastime, I would just go buy a new one, but we’ve done a fair amount of shopping and we have to travel for the holiday.

I did see someone selling a bundled PS4 and thrustmaster TS300 or whatever for $399 with some other goodies on Craigslist. Just nervous to buy a system used like that.
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Maybe try with a different cable, either a HDMI or a component cable. Two different ways of connection
 
kevlar_hybrid
So we agree we shouldn't have to race each other? Smaller fields with closer to your rank drivers only? Good, me too.
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I'm sure everyone who had to enter a race with Pastor Moldanado felt the same

But seriously, in the real life versions of gr4 and gr3, and even gr1 the field is populated by real drivers and then drivers that have the money to pay to be there. These are the "gentlemen racers". I guarantee that the pro drivers are not pleased to have them on the grid, no to mention that real pro drivers had to earn their spot.

In this game, as has been pointed out many times, there is a mix of participants from those folks who are doing this in addition to real life racing/lapping all the way down to kids who have no idea how to drive an actual car. All we have is the rating system to sort that mess out. This is why there is so much uproar around the penalties. IF the penalties don't work, then the ratings don't work.

In short, someone who is a B can be a better racer than someone at A+ who gamed the system.
 
At the airport waiting for a flight and won’t be back home to GT until Saturday.

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Voodoovaj
All we have is the rating system to sort that mess out. This is why there is so much uproar around the penalties. IF the penalties don't work, then the ratings don't work.

In short, someone who is a B can be a better racer than someone at A+ who gamed the system.
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Yes, the system is badly devised and executed. That's what I'm saying. If you get to 6000+ DR and SR99 as I was, a much lower 40000 SRB pack of drivers can and has totally wrecked my gaming experience. This is because the penalty system and the matching system is badly conceived. Why was I racing amongst them so as they could do such damage? Because there was space in my race. That's the bit I'm complaining about really. At the very least I want a "NO THANKS" button when I see the matching list for the first time that's penalty free.
 
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kevlar_hybrid
...the matching system is badly conceived.
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To this point I will somewhat agree, although, there is only a handful of people at A+ (like a few hundred) so it's conceivable that at race time, there are not enough of the same people to match up.

But DR should be prioritized above SR. We should not see DR A+/ SR A in a room with DR D people.

The game should actively tell you that your DR rank will not increase as long as your SR is below SR S. If DR rank will either hold steady or drop when the SR rank falls below the S level, people would be far more likely to watch their SR rank (if the penalty system properly rewarded it).
 
Voodoovaj
To this point I will somewhat agree, although, there is only a handful of people at A+ (like a few hundred) so it's conceivable that at race time, there are not enough of the same people to match up.

But DR should be prioritized above SR. We should not see DR A+/ SR A in a room with DR D people.

The game should actively tell you that your DR rank will not increase as long as your SR is below SR S. If DR rank will either hold steady or drop when the SR rank falls below the S level, people would be far more likely to watch their SR rank (if the penalty system properly rewarded it).
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Agreed. In general SOME of the system almost works. On a Saturday I'm (or was) in top split daily races usually about 10th. Aliens in front, great clean fast racers around me. SO when it works, it seems to work. However, when there is limited people to choose from, it just throws everyone it together, which is a recipe for disaster. Coupled with that is that the disaster is designed to be FAR worse for the top player than the average player. The risk I take racing with lower ranked drivers is WAY higher to me than the risk they take racing me. As I have found out.

I'm now back up to SR99 after 5 races. Winning from pole by 20 secs but, because I'm racing others at 40k DR have only gained 1k DR in that same time period. At this rate it will take me 20 day to recover from the damage one group of drivers did in one race.
 
Some horrors on Spa today. I've dropped 1000 DR and 30 SR in two races by failing to predict randomness of others and misreading situations. Got to get my head out of my arse.

2:28 is race pace in the A/S lobbies.

Once your SR drops you just need to build it back up to get away from the madness.

@bone_tone apologies I thought the line you took meant you were leaving me room.
 
Summary of yesterday, Spa is going to be my track to rank up this week.
I am doing it so well that I rarely spun out with the Aston. As a matter of fact, I didn't and the only times I got off track were other player's fault.
Like take one race, I started at 11th, got up to 5th and some guy hit me from the side to gain my spot and went 10th place.
The guy apologized so that was a nice gesture.
Aside from that, I am doing 4th-7th place regularly.
My only obstacle to get 1st is my qualifier laptime (right now it's 2:35)
 
250Cal
Some horrors on Spa today. I've dropped 1000 DR and 30 SR in two races by failing to predict randomness of others and misreading situations. Got to get my head out of my arse.

2:28 is race pace in the A/S lobbies.

Once your SR drops you just need to build it back up to get away from the madness.

@bone_tone apologies I thought the line you took meant you were leaving me room.
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Dropped 20k last night cal, think yourself lucky! Ha!
 
Granadier
Haha, I do leave it on standby yes. This trip is for an interview though so I gotta focus.

That’s a great idea for when I fly home for the holidays next week though. Is a PS4 controller all that’s needed?
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You don’t even need one, the screen overlays a controller on it. You could race offline or make liveries at least. :)
 
250Cal
I learned the hard way a few weeks ago. Once you're near a DR reset, do what it takes to get that SR back (usually a bit of dawdling in Race C).

The Super Formula is more driver friendly than the Red Bull but 1:27 is all I've got for now #notracing
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I didn't know what a DR reset was until yesterday. How do you know when you're *near* one? As you can probably see from me stats a few pages back in here, I was sailing along fine at 60k+ and SR99 having a great time since new physics (I HATED the low end grip BS before) and then suddenly, one race in GRX with a bunch of lower rankers and I'm being pin balled all over the place into 40K DR and 45 SR! Was there a way to spot that before it happened?
 
kevlar_hybrid
I didn't know what a DR reset was until yesterday. How do you know when you're *near* one? As you can probably see from me stats a few pages back in here, I was sailing along fine at 60k+ and SR99 having a great time since new physics (I HATED the low end grip BS before) and then suddenly, one race in GRX with a bunch of lower rankers and I'm being pin balled all over the place into 40K DR and 45 SR! Was there a way to spot that before it happened?
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Just keep an eye on your KP stats, your SR can’t be more than 2 letter levels below your DR or you get reset. I went from 45k to 3500 DR in 2 races before.

The penalty system also give the benefit of the doubt to the lower ranked driver in race as well, the same collision will be penalized differently depending on the DR or the drivers involved, the higher ranked driver usually gets the worst of it penalty wise.
 
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Repairing SR....
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Edit: I ran one Qt, started p16, Pitted on lap 1 as p9. The race was absolute carnage while I was in it, so I got into pit asap!

Edit 2: the 12 laps spent in pit got me SR down from lap one. No collision, no excursion. I might have been in someone's way through the Chikane.... From SR A to B without racing.... But CRB and up 4 positions by others quitting.
 
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Skinny McLean
I've had the same thoughts for a long time. Take a look at the stats of the last 20 races of this Belgian idiot:
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This person has been wreaking havoc online for years - just look at how unstable his/her SR is.
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I'd also be really curious to know how you got this data @Skinny McLean.

Did you write your own function to parse the results from Kudosprime or to hit the API? I'd love to see my own detailed history as well (not just aggregate data like in KP, which is already really cool BTW). Cheers
 
peterrod
I'd also be really curious to know how you got this data @Skinny McLean.

Did you write your own function to parse the results from Kudosprime or to hit the API? I'd love to see my own detailed history as well (not just aggregate data like in KP, which is already really cool BTW). Cheers
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I think the site is run by Jason Guersy(probably spelled the last name wrong), I can’t remember the name of the site though. @sturk0167 knows what it is though.
 
All this talk about the penalty system, and I agree with most. I've found that many "faster" drivers are dirty in that they force it up the inside and use you as a berm, when the penalty system lets them get away with it. I've been doing this long enough where I recognize the names, and watch out for them.
I think the one that bothers me the most, and should be an easy fix, is where someone blows a corner, or wipes out, and you come up on them on the straight, and they weave, using mirrors to block even though you have 10 or 20mph on them. PD should be able to use speed differential and wheel movement to detect that, and punish severely. Don't get me wrong, I don't give up a position if I can help it, and I'll move inside and make you go around the long way, but I never weave or block (other than covering the inside). I don't like defensive driving on track. I'd rather just go fast enough to not get passed. If I see someone coming (by the time gap) and I'm running fast laps and they're still coming (obviously faster than me), then when they catch up, I'll give them the inside and try to latch on to them and let them pull me toward the front. It's a much better strategy than trying to keep them behind and slowing us both down. Many times I've done that and ended up passing cars I would have never caught otherwise.
 
Rexracer702
All this talk about the penalty system, and I agree with most. I've found that many "faster" drivers are dirty in that they force it up the inside and use you as a berm, when the penalty system lets them get away with it. I've been doing this long enough where I recognize the names, and watch out for them.
I think the one that bothers me the most, and should be an easy fix, is where someone blows a corner, or wipes out, and you come up on them on the straight, and they weave, using mirrors to block even though you have 10 or 20mph on them. PD should be able to use speed differential and wheel movement to detect that, and punish severely. Don't get me wrong, I don't give up a position if I can help it, and I'll move inside and make you go around the long way, but I never weave or block (other than covering the inside). I don't like defensive driving on track. I'd rather just go fast enough to not get passed. If I see someone coming (by the time gap) and I'm running fast laps and they're still coming (obviously faster than me), then when they catch up, I'll give them the inside and try to latch on to them and let them pull me toward the front. It's a much better strategy than trying to keep them behind and slowing us both down. Many times I've done that and ended up passing cars I would have never caught otherwise.
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I hate when you cover the inside, and the guy dives up the inside anyways, happened again to me last night at Catalunya. I said something to buddy after the race and his response was “there was a gap, that was a great pass”, even though he had to bounce off me to make the pass, and then blocked my exit. :lol:
 
Rexracer702
All this talk about the penalty system, and I agree with most. I've found that many "faster" drivers are dirty in that they force it up the inside and use you as a berm, when the penalty system lets them get away with it. I've been doing this long enough where I recognize the names, and watch out for them.
I think the one that bothers me the most, and should be an easy fix, is where someone blows a corner, or wipes out, and you come up on them on the straight, and they weave, using mirrors to block even though you have 10 or 20mph on them. PD should be able to use speed differential and wheel movement to detect that, and punish severely. Don't get me wrong, I don't give up a position if I can help it, and I'll move inside and make you go around the long way, but I never weave or block (other than covering the inside). I don't like defensive driving on track. I'd rather just go fast enough to not get passed. If I see someone coming (by the time gap) and I'm running fast laps and they're still coming (obviously faster than me), then when they catch up, I'll give them the inside and try to latch on to them and let them pull me toward the front. It's a much better strategy than trying to keep them behind and slowing us both down. Many times I've done that and ended up passing cars I would have never caught otherwise.
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I try to do that too. But I will absolutely drive defensive if we are reasonable matched and on the last lap.
 
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