"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[ToddSalad]

Raced the R8 on Race C. Big mistake. Tires destroyed at about lap 4. Then I chose the rcz and at about lap 7 the front tires were so shot that the car wouldn't turn right. I really wish they would always give us the full complement of tires for race c. What's the harm in letting us choose soft medium or hard?

 

[Groundfish]

Hot diggety dog! Back to 93 after walking through the valley of darkness on the alt.
I did 2 races tonight. First was a fun battle, I lifted on the back straight when the guy behind had my inside barely. Not worth a contact on the inevitable inability of him to be able to run tight.
Took a win and second. Good alt night.
Ran the suspension stock, only change was in final drive on the gearbox to get better accel. Once I do another one or two I should get back to 99 and proper matching.
I saw a seven second pen twice on replay from the backfield!
I’m liking this. Hope these pens will calm people down.
Also, from watching replay, it’s probably a good idea not to touch a car that has just knocked another off.
Far as pens, imo the stricter the better!

 

[Invisigoth]

Corkscrew. It's famous.

Yehhh, you might wanna try using the "+Quote" button bud, or no one (well almost no one) will know that's correcting using the name of the banked corner on the Nurburgring .

Quick question... Has anyone here tried Gr. 1 cars at Laguna Seca (specificaly Vision Gran Turismo Gr. 1 cars)? I want to know if they're good there... because research.

I smell another enduro next year .

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Take it as mechanical damage.

In a real life race, your car would be seriously damaged after not avoiding that crash.
That costs time to repair, so your penalty.

Auto racing is a zero contact discipline, all contact has consequences.
So try to avoid any contact, ... as the car was yours, not as the car can be destroyed in every race.

Yet the Porsche which gets a direct hit in the diffuser/engine area gets no mechanical damage? And the VW gets 4s worth of damage for a minor tap, you see that kind of touch all the time in real GT racing with no damage at all.

Penalties on GTS are all for driving standards, mechanical damage exists but is not turned on so it's a poor excuse for flaws in the system.

 

[Lazybike]

Laguna Seca Gr3 14 laps in next weeks race C, should put the new penalty system to the test

 

[Kiki_Haoru]

Raced the R8 on Race C. Big mistake. Tires destroyed at about lap 4. Then I chose the rcz and at about lap 7 the front tires were so shot that the car wouldn't turn right. I really wish they would always give us the full complement of tires for race c. What's the harm in letting us choose soft medium or hard?

That seems crazy! I drove the r8 and the tires were not even half used when I finished the race.
I play with the pad, so I can't even be gentle with the way I play, and spun once... How did you do that?

 

[oneloops]

Yet the Porsche which gets a direct hit in the diffuser/engine area gets no mechanical damage? And the VW gets 4s worth of damage for a minor tap, you see that kind of touch all the time in real GT racing with no damage at all.

Penalties on GTS are all for driving standards, mechanical damage exists but is not turned on so it's a poor excuse for flaws in the system.

That kind of reflexion occurs in real life racing too.

"Why it happens to me !?"
"It's wasn't my fault !"
"He had a mistake and I couldn't finish the race !"
"He crash me, my tyre was punched and his wasn't !"

Racing has little to do with justice, but a lot with consequences : expect damage/time penalty in your car after a crash and don't look what others have.

This is the risk of racing, no justice only consequences. For good or bad is an ingredient of racing and adds emotion, drama, excitement and frustation.

Look the incident between Albon and Hamilton last Interlagos, Albon was P3, Hamilton crashed him and Albon finished last, Hamilton finished P4 after a 5 seconds a time penalty from the FIA... was it fair or a justice ? No. Was it a consequence ? Yes.

As in real life racing our main goal is to keep the car safe until the finish line : avoiding all contacts, because we never know the consequences of any little contact in our car.

 

[jAMPiRATE]

Wtf @GOTMAXPOWER just got ****ed by the penalty system. I don't think it's a life lesson on racing.

You have my sympathies, made me angry watching it!

 

[Tea_Leaves]

Raced the R8 on Race C. Big mistake. Tires destroyed at about lap 4.

Did you switch to Heavy Wets or Intermediates by mistake?

Destroying Hard tyres by lap 4 sounds crazy. I'm not exactly an expert but either you're overbraking or making the car slide too much. I did the full 10 laps in the R8 and the red wear bar was a little under halfway for front tyres.

 

[Invisigoth]

That seems crazy! I drove the r8 and the tires were not even half used when I finished the race.
I play with the pad, so I can't even be gentle with the way I play, and spun once... How did you do that?

Destroying Hard tyres by lap 4 sounds crazy. I'm not exactly an expert but either you're overbraking or making the car slide too much. I did the full 10 laps in the R8 and the red wear bar was a little under halfway for front tyres.

I think it also depends on your level of sensitivity to tyre wear. Last couple of times out with the R8 I had the same problem. The tyre wear bar was only at 1/4 worn and for me I was *really* struggling to keep it on the track. I got less than half way in both races before I had to pit just so I could get back some control . Some drivers aren't getting any better tyre wear, but are able to adjust to the tyre wear better.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

That kind of reflexion occurs in real life racing too.

"Why it happens to me !?"
"It's wasn't my fault !"
"He had a mistake and I couldn't finish the race !"
"He crash me, my tyre was punched and his wasn't !"

Racing has little to do with justice, but a lot with consequences : expect damage/time penalty in your car after a crash and don't look what others have.

This is the risk of racing, no justice only consequences. For good or bad is an ingredient of racing and adds emotion, drama, excitement and frustation.

Look the incident between Albon and Hamilton last Interlagos, Albon was P3, Hamilton crashed him and Albon finished last, Hamilton finished P4 after a 5 seconds a time penalty from the FIA... was it fair or a justice ? No. Was it a consequence ? Yes.

As in real life racing our main goal is to keep the car safe until the finish line : avoiding all contacts, because we never know the consequences of any little contact in our car.

Real life has damage turned on, sport mode does not. I had a 10 second penalty for causing a collision, not a pitstop to repair the splitter/radiator.

I think we're arguing different things, going out the race with a totalled car would be one thing, it's racing (on the original GRID it was one of the best things about those races which no other game has done as well since). Penalties are in no way related to damage, they're just unnecesary and annoying most of the time. The good lobbies police themselves.

 

[Invisigoth]

The good lobbies police themselves.

<Looks at @GOTMAXPOWER >.........<Opens mouth>.........<Closes mouth muttering "Thou shalt not take the easy ones... Thou shalt not take the easy ones.......".>

 

[oneloops]

Real life has damage turned on, sport mode does not. I had a 10 second penalty for causing a collision, not a pitstop to repair the splitter/radiator.

I think we're arguing different things, going out the race with a totalled car would be one thing, it's racing (on the original GRID it was one of the best things about those races which no other game has done as well since). Penalties are in no way related to damage, they're just unnecesary and annoying most of the time. The good lobbies police themselves.

I understand you and I agree more or less...

But after all damage = time (repairing) or "do not finish"...

And with real damage complaining people like you would complain even more because of DNF very often. So thanks to time penalty system we have a moderate sanction and we can finish all races. The best with zero contact like in real life racing.

In a compressed race like daily races (among 3 and 12 laps) if you have to repair your car your race is gone... That's the point of time penalties after crashing.

Take it as mechanical damage, is the same consequence.

Avoiding contacts and keep the car safe till the end is a skill itself, and very enjoyable by the way. We have to learn enjoying it.

 

[Leovizzz]

Looks like the red car got you by a nose in the last foot. It's hard to tell from that angle tho to be 100% sure. Should have went to the photo mode and done a walk around to tell for sure. The delay in the results I'm not sure about, lag?

I am the red car lol
But as you mentioned, it was probably a lag thing. Damn it was friggin close

Photo finish. PD went back to the replay...you lost, call overturned.

Damn marshalls!

 

[larrybr07n]

Avoiding contacts and keep the car safe till the end is a skill itself

I agree with you here in principle but in practice this is not always true. Sometimes you are in front, minding your own business when someone just plunges into you, they proceed to go off track and you get a 3/5 sec penalty. Unfortunately not all contacts are avoidable, even in real life.

 

[oneloops]

I agree with you here in principle but in practice this is not always true. Sometimes you are in front, minding your own business when someone just plunges into you, they proceed to go off track and you get a 3/5 sec penalty. Unfortunately not all contacts are avoidable, even in real life.

As Hamilton vs Albon in last Interlagos...

Crash consequences are not always fair or in justice...

That makes so great when racing with fairplay drivers ! And in GTS I've found a lot of them. All my daily C races this week are awesome in fairplay. I show respect to others and they give you back. In S99 of course.

If all is discerned with a justice system there is no place for responsability, fairplay and free-choice-respect to others.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

As Hamilton vs Albon in last Interlagos...

Crash consequences are not always fair or in justice...

That makes so great when racing with fairplay drivers ! And in GTS I've found a lot of them. All my daily C races this week are awesome in fairplay. I show respect to others and they give you back. In S99 of course.

If all is discerned with a justice system there is no place for responsability, fairplay and free-choice-respect to others.

You must be racing in a different game than me, or a different tier. It's neig impossible to race without contact or the occasional penalty. Because everyone on the track is concerned with their DR.
The penalty system is not there to simulate the consequence of racing incidents or accidents, we have a damage system for that. The penalty system is supposed to foster the drivers to drive like gentlemen. But as long as you can earn more time and placements by aggressive driving and gets more penalties as a victim of their driving style than by doing the reckless driving it will never change.
Fostering people to sportsmanship only works in real life,here it's all about the consequence. So assigning a penalty to all parties involved in a collision is the only way forward IMHO.

 

[oneloops]

You must be racing in a different game than me, or a different tier. It's neig impossible to race without contact or the occasional penalty. Because everyone on the track is concerned with their DR.
The penalty system is not there to simulate the consequence of racing incidents or accidents, we have a damage system for that. The penalty system is supposed to foster the drivers to drive like gentlemen. But as long as you can earn more time and placements by aggressive driving and gets more penalties as a victim of their driving style than by doing the reckless driving I will never change.
Fostering people to sportsmanship only works in real life,here it's all about the consequence. So assigning a penalty to all parties involved in a collision is the only way forward IMHO.

Agressif drivers can't keep the S99 ranking ... or almost almost none of them... That's why GTS penalty system works well enough. Dirty people are out of S99.

Why we have 5 seconds penalty crashing to a wall when we are alone ? ... Because time penalty system is there to motivate the zero contact and zero damage in your car.

Damage is time repairing after all (or DNF). Damage and time has the same consequence so we can take it as the same thing in such length compressed races like they are in GTS.

 

[Tea_Leaves]

So assigning a penalty to all parties involved in a collision is the only way forward IMHO.

You mean backwards, the old system used to run under shared fault until a more vocal part of the community complained.

The tyre wear bar was only at 1/4 worn and for me I was *really* struggling to keep it on the track. I got less than half way in both races before I had to pit just so I could get back some control .

I think this is a case of "git gud." /s

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Agressif drivers can't keep the S99 ranking ... or almost almost none of them... That's why GTS penalty system works well enough. Dirty people are out of S99.

Why we have 5 seconds penalty crashing to a wall when we are alone ? ... Because time penalty system is there to motivate the zero contact and zero damage in your car.

Damage is time repairing after all (or DNF). Damage and time has the same consequence so we can take it as the same thing.

S99 or at least SR S is full of dirty drivers, they all got 10 SR points to spare. Frankly SR A is cleaner because people want to get back to SR S.
We have a damage system, and the possibility to repair in the pits. The penalty system is there to teach you to drive the proper way. And if it worked your scenario would be common, but as we all clearly see it doesn't. The reckless, the dangerous and the mean people game the penalty system and use it to gain advantage in races, while the ones who drive clean has little to set in the way and can do nothing to avoid being used in this way.

I truly wish it worked as you say,but I believe the only way forward, apart from replacing the entire penalty system, is to assign a penalty to all parties involved in the collision. That way there will at least be an incentive to avoid collisions. As it is now, it's way too easy to use the penalty system to win over your opponent.

 

[El_Beardo]

Agressif drivers can't keep the S99 ranking ... or almost almost none of them... That's why GTS penalty system works well enough. Dirty people are out of S99.

I'm an aggressive driver. I can keep my 99SR in the vast majority of races.

Dirty driving, and aggressive driving are very different things.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Actually it's easier to remain SR 99 as a dirty driver than as a clean.

 

[oneloops]

S99 or at least SR S is full of dirty drivers, they all got 10 SR points to spare. Frankly SR A is cleaner because people want to get back to SR S.
We have a damage system, and the possibility to repair in the pits. The penalty system is there to teach you to drive the proper way. And if it worked your scenario would be common, but as we all clearly see it doesn't. The reckless, the dangerous and the mean people game the penalty system and use it to gain advantage in races, while the ones who drive clean has little to set in the way and can do nothing to avoid being used in this way.

I truly wish it worked as you say,but I believe the only way forward, apart from replacing the entire penalty system, is to assign a penalty to all parties involved in the collision. That way there will at least be an incentive to avoid collisions. As it is now, it's way too easy to use the penalty system to win over your opponent.

I agree with your last solution. That give less frustation to victims as well.

I have only clean races in Europe S99... Very very rare that someone hits me.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Glad I don't live in the Horse Shoe.

The Golden Horseshoe is nice. It was a bit either/or for my tastes. You either live on the North side of Lake Ontario in the sprawling GTA(which is essentially Hamilton to Oshawa) or you live on the South side which is mostly the Niagara region where everything you need seems to be in the next town over, regardless of which town you live in

Help me sell my house in Dayton?

This article says Dayton has a sellers market.

https://www.daytondailynews.com/new...dayton-housing-market/zUjGQGK3KVK92w1TQGymYO/

Nothing tends to happen around Christmas regardless of the market. Come the new year things should pick up. Price your house a little lower than you should and try to get multiple offers.

We have a sellers market in London and houses tend to be gone in a week or less. If your house isn't selling, it's likely priced too high. Real estate is funny. Even $5000 too much can stifle your sale.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

You mean backwards, the old system used to run under shared fault until a more vocal part of the community complained.

In this case I believe a step back would be a great step forward.

 

[theschledy]

The Golden Horseshoe is nice. It was a bit either/or for my tastes. You either live on the North side of Lake Ontario in the sprawling GTA(which is essentially Hamilton to Oshawa) or you live on the South side which is mostly the Niagara region where everything you need seems to be in the next town over, regardless of which town you live in

Shhhhhhhhh! Stop saying good things about the horseshoe, we need housing prices to go down

 

[jAMPiRATE]

Penalty system is just balls. I **** up t1 lap1 and take somebody out - I should have been black flagged. 2s penalty.

Later I legit go up the inside, they tap me, we both stay on track all good. I get a 4s penalty!?

It's just bizarre.

I get punted from behind at the hairpin and smack into the guy in front. I then try and escape, another car gets spun and goes ghost in front... I get a 4s penalty!?

Guy slows for revenge (I think he got the wrong guy!?) hits me on purpose and then goes off... I get 4s penalty.

I mean, I won't do anything different for the last three incidents - you just drive and spin the penalty roulette wheel.

But the penalty system really doesn't work.

 

[Granadier]

Take it as mechanical damage.

In a real life race, your car would be seriously damaged after not avoiding that crash.
That costs time to repair, so your penalty.

Auto racing is a zero contact discipline, all contact has consequences.
So try to avoid any contact, ... as the car was yours, not as the car can be destroyed in every race.

Lol, dude get off your high horse. You’re being pedantic for the sake of claiming you have some guru knowledge of how real racing plays out.

Even if @GOTMAXPOWER had laid the anchors contact would still have happened. If he swerved right he’d have created contact as well and likely bringing another car into the mix. Or he would’ve spun himself and caused more accidents.

Unless you’re secretly an FIA steward moonlighting as a mediocre Gran Turismo driver, gtfo here with your baseless defense of the penalty system in this case.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Lol, dude get off your high horse. You’re being pedantic for the sake of claiming you have some guru knowledge of how real racing plays out.

Even if @GOTMAXPOWER had laid the anchors contact would still have happened. If he swerved right he’d have created contact as well and likely bringing another car into the mix. Or he would’ve spun himself and caused more accidents.

Unless you’re secretly an FIA steward moonlighting as a mediocre Gran Turismo driver, gtfo here with your baseless defense of the penalty system in this case.

But it's such a pretty horse!

 

[oneloops]

Lol, dude get off your high horse. You’re being pedantic for the sake of claiming you have some guru knowledge of how real racing plays out.

Even if @GOTMAXPOWER had laid the anchors contact would still have happened. If he swerved right he’d have created contact as well and likely bringing another car into the mix. Or he would’ve spun himself and caused more accidents.

Unless you’re secretly an FIA steward moonlighting as a mediocre Gran Turismo driver, gtfo here with your baseless defense of the penalty system in this case.

Yes, multiple accidents with collateral victims happens in real racing.

You couldn't avoid it... then you get the consequences of crashing another car even if it was not your fault.

The less realistic scene is you going on through them with zero consequences... happy life accross accidents...

You complain about others consequences but think only about yourself and accept that if you crash you get consequences. Take care about yourself and your car, like in real life racing.