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DBDetwiler
I've only been playing for a few months now and so far I have been punted to the back in all but 3 races if I dare to get above 5th place. Only the worst drivers can place high. Thanks to the penalty system, they all finish clean. Bout to go play Wreckfest so I can enjoy some clean driving. LOL
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Share a video, I'll provide some tips on how to not get punted. As I said above, it's impossible to avoid all kamikaze dive bombs, but there are a fair number of bumps and punts you can avoid by placing your car in the right spot on the track to teach your opponents to try something else.
 
KosmoKazi
I don't know how people can drive using that roof cam with no mirror... maybe that's a big part of it. I just can't drive without the mirror, and haven't adapted to the radar myself.
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I think I found the problem. The radar is a critical tool to use with roof/chase cam (arguably no matter which view you're using) and it's wise to quickly adapt.

Chase cam is the view I'm most comfortable with for years and I didn't see a reason to change. It's merely a preference and some of the drivers at WT events use it which can prove it's not a hindrance for driver awareness or skill ceiling.
 
One very simple thing to do is understand that approaching a braking zone make sure you know how far back the next car is.
Well before the braking point.
This dictates how you drive the corner. If a car you don’t know is close you go tight. Driving a tight line the goal is having your arc tighter and rotation inside the car chasing.
If you achieve that it’s impossible for them to do anything outside flooring it and ramming.
In this game anytime a persons close enough they will go inside period, even if it means compromising both cars exit speed.
Gotta be aware of this. Inside inside inside. That’s safe just like was mentioned above.
I think too, just as in any real driving you need to be aware via mirrors of the cars around you at all times.
You don’t drive the mirror though, you simply are aware and choose your lines appropriately to the situation.
You can’t drive in reaction to mirror really, you use awareness to position yourself best you can well before that.
If you ‘drive the mirror’ you’re not focusing on yourself, you’re distracted and performance will suffer.
All this talk relates strongly to turning on the line aid, you will see how difficult it is to pass someone using that line well.
 
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Cockpit cam all the way. I don’t buy into this stuff that it makes you slower and I’m hurting myself by doing it. I’m happy to sneak into the top split every now and then. I use the radar and look back to know where cars are around me. If anyone has ever driven a real race car knows, often the mirrors aren’t worth a crap, and the helmet/brace stops you from turning your head sideways much. So track awareness is paramount.

I’m talking about knowing how fast the people are around you and knowing the track. So if I get a poor exit from a corner, I know without looking that the car behind me is going to be right my up snuff, maybe up the inside already. So I need to be aware. If a car disappears from behind me, he is beside me. Use spidey senses.....

Sometimes a car may not have cockpit so I’ll go to the hood cam. It’s ok, but feels too high for me.

RE: this weeks races. I’m finding race C a lot of fun. Had a few great scraps with guys. Which is weird as I’ve always avoided Tokyo expressways.
 
Haven’t tried a Sport Mode Race in a while. I gave Race A a shot. In the final lap, someone kept blocking me from advancing and then I got hit from behind by another player. Of course, I got a 3-second penalty while those 2 choads got away with piss poor etiquette. Oh, well. It wasn’t like I was going to win anyway.
 
chuyler1
Share a video, I'll provide some tips on how to not get punted. As I said above, it's impossible to avoid all kamikaze dive bombs, but there are a fair number of bumps and punts you can avoid by placing your car in the right spot on the track to teach your opponents to try something else.
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I don't have a set up to screen record yet, but I very much appreciate the offer. My last race (race B) started in p3. made it through the first turn clean. took p1 without even a rub. broke away from the cluster until the tight chicane at the back section. had a lot of space behind me. tucked in hard and early almost escaped but p2 broadsided me into the litter box before I could get out of the apex. he didn't touch the steering wheel or the brakes. he didn't even plan to turn. just blasted me. i got a penalty.

that said, I read your earlier post about dodging the infected drivers. lol. it has changed the way I approached a handful of turns in race B this afternoon and I'm not losing lap times to constantly being somebody else's rolling kerb. It helped me see the light at the end of SR A.
 
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Gr3 Fuji is like bumper cars, what going on?

Went from SR S to B in a few races, it's just stupid, got punted off on the first corner I received a 4 second penalty? Wtf, if you car accelerates 100 mph sideways in a split second, fairly obvious something is amiss...

That me out of daily racing, :( any decent leagues/races on the go atm?
 
I real world racing there can be tyre requirements too. I don't see the problem - it's all part of working out a strategy, making you think rather than just blasting out down the track without a care in the world. Yes, it can be a bit pointless at times if one of the tyre choices is so bad that it's not worth running for more than the outlap before pitting again, but over all it's a good challenge.[/QUOTE]




Good point taken!
 
DBDetwiler
I don't have a set up to screen record yet
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All you need is a YouTube or Twitch account. Click the share button twice and the PS4 will start recording. Press it once at the end of the race and choose upload video. Follow on screen instructions to login to your account and upload. You can also just load up a replay in the game and hit share twice to record as you play the replay. This is good if you want to rewind and capture a few different angles of an altercation.
 
chuyler1
All you need is a YouTube or Twitch account. Click the share button twice and the PS4 will start recording. Press it once at the end of the race and choose upload video. Follow on screen instructions to login to your account and upload. You can also just load up a replay in the game and hit share twice to record as you play the replay. This is good if you want to rewind and capture a few different angles of an altercation.
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Did not know any of that. I'll go make an alternate Youtube account for this. Thanks man.
 
@05XR8 at the thought of the Supra 1 make
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I've got to say that after deciding to go and set a qualifying lap for Tokyo last night I have decided it definitely feels more like a wipeout style set up than anything. Fast, almost full throttle except for 2 or 3 blips and 2 braking zones. Walls zooming by and problems if you touch them, close racing and almost inevitable contact. Really fun though. For total chaos they need to run a Gr. 2 race here some time. :mischievous:
But I don't know that I would be crazy enough to try it.:D
 
Tea_Leaves
I think I found the problem. The radar is a critical tool to use with roof/chase cam (arguably no matter which view you're using) and it's wise to quickly adapt.

Chase cam is the view I'm most comfortable with for years and I didn't see a reason to change. It's merely a preference and some of the drivers at WT events use it which can prove it's not a hindrance for driver awareness or skill ceiling.
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Radar and Mirror serve different purposes.

The radar is for your blind spot, mirror for what happens behind.
The mirror is useless in a corner side by side, that's where the radar comes in to stay clear of the other car.
The radar is useless to see how close the car behind is, which side he is going and whether he brakes on time.

You need both.

In VR you can glance over or see the other car from the corner of your eye when side by side. In bumper and roof cam you can't see what's happening beside you. In roof cam and chase cam you can't see what's happening behind you. But it is easier to see what's happening in front of the car you are behind. In bumper cam you have to keep a little distance and naturally get out of the draft of the car in front before the braking zone so you can see where you are going and what's happening further up front.

I suspect those that ride right on your bumper are not using bumper cam. When I'm that close the whole view is nothing but the bumper of the car in front of me, driving totally blind :lol:
 
Lost a bit of faith in humanity tonight, 4 races at fuji, all wrecked up by someone way too aggressive.
Had the chance to start the fifth race on p2 and decided to take the defensive line for the 2 harpins every single lap. I lost sight of p1 pretty quickly but at least I kept p2 till the end.

Edit: well at least I restored faith in myself, 3 podiums in a row, time to go to bed
 
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Sven Jurgens
Radar and Mirror serve different purposes.

The radar is for your blind spot, mirror for what happens behind.
The mirror is useless in a corner side by side, that's where the radar comes in to stay clear of the other car.
The radar is useless to see how close the car behind is, which side he is going and whether he brakes on time.

You need both.

In VR you can glance over or see the other car from the corner of your eye when side by side. In bumper and roof cam you can't see what's happening beside you. In roof cam and chase cam you can't see what's happening behind you. But it is easier to see what's happening in front of the car you are behind. In bumper cam you have to keep a little distance and naturally get out of the draft of the car in front before the braking zone so you can see where you are going and what's happening further up front.

I suspect those that ride right on your bumper are not using bumper cam. When I'm that close the whole view is nothing but the bumper of the car in front of me, driving totally blind :lol:
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Bumper cam here. Been there. Missed a brake marker or two. In terms of judging the width of the car, I can run real close to those Tokyo walls and am comfortable at speed within 6"or less. I think I can get as close in bumper cam as any other view...maybe closer?
 
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This was in a mediocre B/S lobby, but it's the same in a mixed A/B lobby from my experience.
 
That is nothing compared to what I saw tonight at fuji (I think in exhibit b he simply took the wrong racing line and braked earlier, not brake checking you), but the problem is still you getting a penalty, that should really be fixed.
 
Tonight I have run 4 clean races at Fujii.
I took a page from the book of defensive driving and applied it
And you guys where right,it stops most of the dirty stuff. I have been focused on keeping safe and it has played out well.
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KosmoKazi
Exhibit B:
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Maybe I'm wrong but thought I'd give my view: I don't think he brake checked and neither did it look intentional. Prior to the incident, he passed cleanly without contact and gave space, I don't see a reason why he'd do it. It looked like he braked for the corner a bit sooner while cautious of the Supra ahead of him. Also, there was no penalization; no SR down or timed penalty.
 
Tea_Leaves
Maybe I'm wrong but thought I'd give my view: I don't think he brake checked and neither did it look intentional. Prior to the incident, he passed cleanly without contact and gave space, I don't see a reason why he'd do it. It looked like he braked for the corner a bit sooner while cautious of the Supra ahead of him. Also, there was no penalization; no SR down or timed penalty.
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I did get SR reduction notice on the exit of the turn, those don't appear in the replays. And perhaps it wasn't intentional, it was overly cautious (because that F1 is a POS in the turns) but if you saw his driving in the prior corners, he wasn't nearly as cautious, so I'm certain enough that he was trying to get space from me, not being careful. In any case, the point is, the combination of the slide job, where I was the victim, and this contact should not result in 24 points SR penalty, which takes 4+ races to recover from.
 
Sven Jurgens
Another slow week. GR.4 on Spa already feels very slow, that track prefers fast cars. Maybe it's the Porsche again, 3 lap sprint race hmm.
N200 on Alsace even worse, that track is as wide as a landing strip, no sense of speed at all.
Race C then, it's been a while since we had that combo, could be good depending on the penalty system.
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You're still secretly hoping for a Gr1 race C on the Nord in the rain at night :lol:.

Tea_Leaves
Chase cam is the view I'm most comfortable with for years and I didn't see a reason to change. It's merely a preference and some of the drivers at WT events use it which can prove it's not a hindrance for driver awareness or skill ceiling.
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I use chase cam too, because it's what I am used to. Does become a problem sometimes however when there is a car in front that you can't see. This was a problem during @Pigems Samba bus race at Bathurst :crazy:.
 
Sven Jurgens
Radar and Mirror serve different purposes.

The radar is for your blind spot, mirror for what happens behind.
The mirror is useless in a corner side by side, that's where the radar comes in to stay clear of the other car.
The radar is useless to see how close the car behind is, which side he is going and whether he brakes on time.

You need both.
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DPAD left and DPAD right will show you what’s beside you. Only really needed occasionally when drivers disappear down a wide straight and you need to know if you have cleared them for a crossover. Most of the time your spatial awareness should be sufficient, if they were in front you, then you went next to them, if they don’t show up in your rearview, they’re still beside you.
 
Tea_Leaves
Maybe I'm wrong but thought I'd give my view: I don't think he brake checked and neither did it look intentional. Prior to the incident, he passed cleanly without contact and gave space, I don't see a reason why he'd do it. It looked like he braked for the corner a bit sooner while cautious of the Supra ahead of him. Also, there was no penalization; no SR down or timed penalty.
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I’d like to see better footage of both cases too. Hard for me to tell much.
 
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chuyler1
DPAD left and DPAD right will show you what’s beside you. Only really needed occasionally when drivers disappear down a wide straight and you need to know if you have cleared them for a crossover. Most of the time your spatial awareness should be sufficient, if they were in front you, then you went next to them, if they don’t show up in your rearview, they’re still beside you.
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How far beside you though, that's the question. The radar is a big help on lap one T1, T2 and later if traffic. It's almost a top down game in certain long corners, weaving your triangle in between all the other triangles, GTS as a bullet hell shooter :lol: I have had occasions where I only looked at the radar mid corner, keeping equidistant from the cars left, right, front and back. No need for front view, follow the flock.

But true, dealing with one car in a corner you normally don't have issues knowing where they are at all times.
 
Geez I know there’s look to side features but never needed them. Doubt I could use them in the moment effectively anyway.
If unsure and you are inside stay inside. Same with s car underneath, lose it’s position leave car width.
To me my whole mindset is ahead. All this stuff is dealt with before in the braking and entry phase and knowing who is where prior to being in the corner, all those decisions should have already been made. If you are in a corner side by side you leave a car’s width.
So that’s what I do...I really have no need to be able to see the 3-4 feet next to me I am simply leaving space or not. No need to look when you’re busy concentrating on driving your chosen line fast as possible.
I think having your mind ahead is where it needs to be ie anticipating and whatnot.
Radar is great though always there and that blue catches the attention, love that feature always always on. I have it on, reassuring...
 
Groundfish
One very simple thing to do is understand that approaching a braking zone make sure you know how far back the next car is.
Well before the braking point.
This dictates how you drive the corner. If a car you don’t know is close you go tight. Driving a tight line the goal is having your arc tighter and rotation inside the car chasing.
If you achieve that it’s impossible for them to do anything outside flooring it and ramming.
In this game anytime a persons close enough they will go inside period, even if it means compromising both cars exit speed.
Gotta be aware of this. Inside inside inside. That’s safe just like was mentioned above.
I think too, just as in any real driving you need to be aware via mirrors of the cars around you at all times.
You don’t drive the mirror though, you simply are aware and choose your lines appropriately to the situation.
You can’t drive in reaction to mirror really, you use awareness to position yourself best you can well before that.
If you ‘drive the mirror’ you’re not focusing on yourself, you’re distracted and performance will suffer.
All this talk relates strongly to turning on the line aid, you will see how difficult it is to pass someone using that line well.
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Nice topic about defending your line against kamikaze's. A lot of this is about protecting your inside going in a corner. That's indeed the best way! But my experience is that a lot of kamikaze's know that and go to the outside and purperously make contact, go wide, going a bit off track and giving you a penalty for that. It's like they have this strategy and are very happy to take advantage of you serving the penalty. Grtz

I've just read the update details. And...no mentioning about a penalty system change. Can't believe that! Absurd!!!
 
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Doglove
I've just read the update details. And...no mentioning about a penalty system change. Can't believe that! Absurd!!!
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Turning in on someone at Tokyo to put them into the wall gives them the penalty instead of the person turning in. Hadn't happened to me before so don't know if this is a change, but it does add to the blockers arsenal of ugly weapons.
 
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Since the update Daily Race C now shows under the race rules that there is fuel consumption and tyre wear for qualifying. However that doesn't seem to be true as 30 seconds of spinning my rear tyres shows no tyre wear, and the fuel map isn't available either.

My guess is that this feature is now in the game but won't take effect until next week to save having to wipe this weeks leaderboards.

This could be an interesting change as you can no longer run continuous hotlaps until you eventually hook up a solid lap as you'll need to stop for fresh tyres. This may see a change in who sets faster qualifying laps.

There's also the possibility that there will be a benefit in FIA style fuel burning to lower the weight before attempting a fast lap, stop for tyres and a splash of fuel, repeat.

All a bit of speculation as the feature doesn't seem live yet, but will be interesting to see how it plays out.
 
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