"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Timm Sheehan]

How does the matchup system work for Daily Races? Last week I went from a mid C to a very low D.. I was always getting matched with B to several A+ drivers, so I was started near the back and would climb a few places each race, but still the DR dropped and still matched with A drivers (I was generally 2-4 seconds slower everywhere - even got lapped a couple of times on race C )

I wasn't looking forward to this week very much, but now I'm matched with similar D and C drivers again and I'm actually enjoying the racing.

The match up system confuses me too. I have often wondered why I am not matched with racers with similar qualification times. Racing against someone who qualifies 10-20 seconds faster does not give you much hope for the race. Keep enjoying the racing and you just might surprise yourself by beating one or more of them (everybody can have a bad day, race, or track).

 

[Lateralus5813]

Daily Race Matchmaking is done by SR primarily, it takes the top A12/B16/C20 SR 99 drivers for room 1, then repeats until there are none left. Your DR is of little matter in this process, it’s just a secondary sorting number. This is how you end up in rooms that go from A+ to D, odds are it was in a race where your SR was lower than 90, or there wasn’t many people playing at that time.

Thanks for clarifying it!! It seems pretty unfair to me lol or I just need to get good

 

[Pigems]

Thanks for clarifying it!! It seems pretty unfair to me lol or I just need to get good

The idea was to keep the “cleaner” racers together by using the SR as the first criteria, which makes sense in theory. But there’s just not enough people playing to make it work for dailies, especially in NA. In FIA, the matching is great because there’s enough people playing.

 

[05XR8]

Started 2nd. Finished 5th.

Divebombed by one of the C9s in 3rd. From there, I get 2 seconds and then 4 seconds. Damage control.
I get another 2 seconds two laps later for being hit off. Drop to 9th.

Fight my way up to 6th. 787B had tyres, even being worn prematurely. From Lap 7, narrowed the gap to P5 from 10 seconds down to 3 seconds with 3 laps to go.

P4 serves a penalty. I move up to P5.l Close the gap to P4 with 1.7 seconds at the line. Still keep my A/S after all that.

Starting P2 in this next race right now. C9 behind in 3rd with about three 962s behind it. See how we go.

P1 brakes away when everyone are fighting into T1.

Edit: Somehow, I was able to gap the cars behind at the start. Stayed with P1 all race. Had a couple looks in T1, but didn't want P3 to catch up.

 

[Barney Da Dog]

Daily Race Matchmaking is done by SR primarily, it takes the top A12/B16/C20 SR 99 drivers for room 1, then repeats until there are none left. Your DR is of little matter in this process, it’s just a secondary sorting number. This is how you end up in rooms that go from A+ to D, odds are it was in a race where your SR was lower than 90, or there wasn’t many people playing at that time.

Ah, excellent information thanks. I'm usually around 99 but ended up at 80ish after foolishly trying a few Monza A-races. I had clean races in C, but was just too slow to progress anywhere

Things have started better this week though :-)

 

[kungtotte_]

I think you see these issues more in low playercount regions.

Ever since starting with sport mode I've been matched fairly well every single time in terms of DR/pace, but I race in EMEA and my SR has been 90+ all the time. It seems like the matchmaking has an easier time finding people you're equal with in those circumstances.

 

[Tea_Leaves]

The idea was to keep the “cleaner” racers together by using the SR as the first criteria

Another problem in the equation is DR resets (shouldn't exist), it creates sandbagging. Many players I've matched against under the current system had recent resets so a DR D or C might not 'truly' be one. If you check KP histories, they were probably a DR B or A before.

 

[05XR8]

Was having a look at tyre/fuel wear in Race C. Noticed some cars started with zero kilometres and some had 10-20kms. I went out on warm up, but only had. 0.2kms at the start. Weird.

 

[Pigems]

Was having a look at tyre/fuel wear in Race C. Noticed some cars started with zero kilometres and some had 10-20kms. I went out on warm up, but only had. 0.2kms at the start. Weird.

Maybe they’ve been in Q mode waiting for the race to start doing hot laps? Does it maybe carry over from the pre race laps? Like before matchmaking happens?

 

[NevilleNobody]

Gee race B is just a TT fest, I tried other cars but either get eaten on the straights or cannot turn quick enough laps. Group 4 is in DIRE need BOP adjustment, the FF cars are still too damn fast. Going through the esses at Maggiore with a FF is soul crushing.

 

[05XR8]

Maybe they’ve been in Q mode waiting for the race to start doing hot laps? Does it maybe carry over from the pre race laps? Like before matchmaking happens?

Makes sense, but I did warm up. That's more than .2kms

 

[Barney Da Dog]

Gee race B is just a TT fest, I tried other cars but either get eaten on the straights or cannot turn quick enough laps. Group 4 is in DIRE need BOP adjustment, the FF cars are still too damn fast. Going through the esses at Maggiore with a FF is soul crushing.

I managed to qualify nearly 2 seconds quicker in the TT than I did in the Lambo, but I don't enjoy racing them. Managed a win in the Lambo after a gaggle of TTs held each other up and punted each other off on the last lap

 

[Tea_Leaves]

Qualifying and warmup are isolated and don't influence the race, I thought. Qualifying doesn't have fuel or tyre wear to begin with.

I assume those cars were burning fuel from the pre-race screen all the way up until grid countdown. Although the difference is minuscule, I do this to make my car lighter since less fuel in the tank.

 

[Pigems]

Qualifying and warmup are isolated and don't influence the race, I thought. Qualifying doesn't have fuel or tyre wear to begin with.

I assume those cars were burning fuel from the pre-race screen all the way up until grid countdown. Although the difference is minuscule, I do this to make my car lighter since less fuel in the tank.

Yup, you can burn fuel as soon as the music starts, it works better in FIA with the super long intro though. Can barely burn 1% off in a daily race.

 

[Raptor013]

Gee race B is just a TT fest, I tried other cars but either get eaten on the straights or cannot turn quick enough laps. Group 4 is in DIRE need BOP adjustment, the FF cars are still too damn fast. Going through the esses at Maggiore with a FF is soul crushing.

I've not been a fan of the Gr.4 BoP for a while. I don't mind the cars having their strengths and weaknesses, but some cars get killed with the BoP.

Take the Lancer for example. It's got a terrible top end speed and only true strength is under brakes into tight corners where it can then launch out of them. So aside from Tsukuba and possibly Tokyo South Outer where you can take advantage of the hairpin and chicane and then draft the rest of the lap you get blown away by everything else unless you either overdrive the car and make risky moves at the expense of your SR or you can manage to stay in touch with the draft you end up nowhere.

 

[KosmoKazi]

Yup, you can burn fuel as soon as the music starts, it works better in FIA with the super long intro though. Can barely burn 1% off in a daily race.

I don't usually bother, as the little advantage I'd gain, net of my own driving skill, but I know it makes sense to do that in FIA events... question: what % of fuel can you burn down during the FIA introduction? I never thought to look and see how much is used, when I have tried.

 

[csmirnoff]

I don't usually bother, as the little advantage I'd gain, net of my own driving skill, but I know it makes sense to do that in FIA events... question: what % of fuel can you burn down during the FIA introduction? I never thought to look and see how much is used, when I have tried.

It depends on the car and the fuel consumption multiplier, of course, but I would say usually between 3 and 4%.

 

[Stencedaddy]

Yup, you can burn fuel as soon as the music starts, it works better in FIA with the super long intro though. Can barely burn 1% off in a daily race.

Even with fuel off in dailies everybody seems to just sit there revving the absolute piss out of their car for some reason.

 

[Stencedaddy]

Another problem in the equation is DR resets (shouldn't exist), it creates sandbagging. Many players I've matched against under the current system had recent resets so a DR D or C might not 'truly' be one. If you check KP histories, they were probably a DR B or A before.

Thats me. When i get reset i often start top 3 and drive away and my highest DR is only 26k. Lately most of my wins came this way. Its kind of boring and i wouldn't miss it. I race in the middle of the night alot too where NA matchmaking is already the wild west.

 

[Binney]

My fastest lap (so far) at Daily Race C Tokyo. I think the walls have magnets in sometimes

 

[DarkSideNet]

Even with fuel off in dailies everybody seems to just sit there revving the absolute piss out of their car for some reason.

Speed boost to auto-drive, gets you a few more feet closer to the guy in front before the green flag.

 

[Sean YZF]

I need to drop some DR before manufacturers as I'm still quite high from the Ring. Had a few races last night on the alt to gauge where would be safest & enjoyable & Laguna seems to be the place. Set what I thought was a slowish QT entered race, started P2 finished P2, fastest lap, clean race + 1k DR. Oh well

 

[CurbHog]

Race A - Having a great time at Laguna Seca.
Driving the GT3.

 

[GTWolverine]

Speed boost to auto-drive, gets you a few more feet closer to the guy in front before the green flag.

That actually works? Lol I usually mess around waiting for auto drive to take over. Sometimes I'll even put it in reverse.

I need to drop some DR before manufacturers as I'm still quite high from the Ring. Had a few races last night on the alt to gauge where would be safest & enjoyable & Laguna seems to be the place. Set what I thought was a slowish QT entered race, started P2 finished P2, fastest lap, clean race + 1k DR. Oh well

Yeah I'm familiar with this "dilemma" myself lately...just a few thousand DR difference between upper A and lower A+ is the difference between a fun, competitive FIA race and fighting near the back and picking scraps as faster people make mistakes.

 

[O604]

I race in the middle of the night alot too where NA matchmaking is already the wild west.

Sadly, there's no "good" time anymore.

 

[sturk0167]

That actually works?

Yeah, if you're on the throttle when autodrive first starts to move your car. Then you can release it until the start.

 

[05XR8]

Continuing with the fuel burning, maybe I should have done that. Could be a reason the C9 maintained its lead. I had more fuel than it by the end of the race.
Yes, I was in its tow probably half of the race. Had to brake earlier of course, to avoid outbraking myself. I was also close enough to be hindered by aero wash entering T2.

Plenty of days left to race. I'll try that.👍

 

[Lateralus5813]

I....won! My second ever lol. I was not expecting that. Felt slow there but there were only C and D drivers, finally a good matchup hahhahaha

 

[sturk0167]

When the game just seems intent on giving you SR downs, no matter well-behaved you are, it creates monsters.
Well, here I am. Not gonna bother to race clean anymore. It seems to do me no good. Going for wins at all costs. Sorry if any of you end up racing me.

*Update: SR 4, now.

 

[Groundfish]

Another problem in the equation is DR resets (shouldn't exist), it creates sandbagging. Many players I've matched against under the current system had recent resets so a DR D or C might not 'truly' be one. If you check KP histories, they were probably a DR B or A before.

Last week I raced at all levels of dr sr. Highest the account has ever been was A plus.
One thing I notice on NA is say you are in a c dr low sr room. You can tell very quickly which players are dirty. It’s quite a surprise for them when they take you out and you come back after six laps to pay THEM a visit.
You kind of get to see the good, the bad, the clean, bit of everything.