"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[cosme]

Looks like Race B will be my go-to this week. I know it's a pretty basic combo but I don't play that often and the last time I raced here was when I just bought the game in the end of 2018. The track is truly enjoyable, very fast paced and much easier to get a grasp of than Brands Hatch, but still hard to master. The visuals of the track are awesome, too. The mountains, the coast, the tunnel all look and feel really nice and realistic. The only gripe is these camera cranes (I suppose?) which ruin the background every time I'm trying to take a picture.

 

[Jason885]

Yes!
Study the track and lines, understand how to defend and when to attack, when to back off. Racing is great fun. I reccomend also when learning race craft to let go and get mad and go to low sr dr and battle people who are openly dirty.
You can learn a lot of racecraft this way. Also watch replays. I think it’s what makes the game special. Any race can turn out to be the best or worst of your career.

I know this track very well its one of my favourites and one of the few that I can continue to go round without leaving the track with Gr 3, I have raced and had some good battles with good drivers in the past, it's the twonks that spoil it.
I'm not the best driver, and when I do have contact and its my fault I back off and give way, my race craft does need lots of improvement but it's hard work trying to better yourself when all your gains are constantly put back by drivers that don't seem to give a toss on anyone else's experiance of the race.

 

[Groundfish]

I'm not the best driver, and when I do have contact and its my fault I back off and give way, my race craft does need lots of improvement but it's hard work trying to better yourself when all your gains are constantly put back by drivers that don't seem to give a toss on anyone else's experiance of the race

Right that’s why I said what I said. In the race, the most important thing is awareness.
Coming onto a straight I always check behind. Mid straight before the braking area also.
If you ‘lose’ the location of the other cars or traffic is heavy hold your lane, hold your line and leave space to your outside for a car until you get your bearings.
As far as getting punted or dove on etc...One huge thing is if someone is right behind you or has a run on the straight approaching the next braking zone, the standard behavior is moving over towards the inside-very very far before the braking area, leave the guy behind space on the outside to encourage them to pull alongside and pass by.
If you get to the braking area you are inside, so you brake a bit earlier than normal, and if they are still alongside you hold the turn tight-leaving them room.
You could also lift and brake early let them get the racing line and tuck right into their slipstream.
If you go defensive very early and some chump stays on your rear bumper and refuses to go around they are showing intent to harm you do brake extra extra early to prevent them from being able to punt you off-brakechecked!
Far as going side by side I try never to do that-never trust others. If they have you let them go, if you are fast enough you will catch them, if not you tip the cap.
Always pass on straights or by getting the INSIDE. Never pass outside. Passing in a turn is very dangerous.
If you are overtaking make sure you have the inside and are fully alongside BEFORE the braking zone. DONT brake late, brake normal and blend onto the racing line.
I’d say the best way to pass is by understanding braking on time or early NEVER LATE, getting a good line in through that turn will give you more speed where it’s easy to pass-on the straight!
I hope this helps ya. Stick with it, it’s like learning basic self defense lol.
If in doubt, don’t overtake...
Cheers

 

[stpatty]

Should have stayed with the GT-R all along. That thing is a weapon in Race C.

I'm going to have to see this for myself before I believe it.

 

[oneloops]

Just did seaside and was doing well until someone decided to use me as a brake and cornering guide rale, thanks to that idiot I didn't finish the race, ran out of time about 1 sec from the line, started 14, didn't finish in 14.
Its a bit disheartening when all your hard work is kicked out the park by idiots, and when it just keeps happening is it really worth bothering to even try.

When racing with strangers you never know how they will react, and in an open competition there will always be dirty drivers, so we have to deal with them and anticipate/minimise risks.

I always think that that kind of incidents is in part my fault because I didn't anticipate that possible risk or I didn't let enough margin to my profit.

You can take that also as a mechanical failure or an unintentional mistake from the other driver as it happens often in real races.

I recommend don't take it as an injustice, asume among 25 and 50% of races will have big incidents like for example in F1, try to minimise risks, and take profit of the rest and enjoy the risk too.

 

[djidane57]

I don’t get it. What’s the point of even retaliating? If you get hit, you get hit. Simple as that. Why would you even go out of your way to ram someone because they hit you? I’ve been taken out of the race and dropped to dead last multiple times, but the only time I ever ram anyone is during warmup.
Edit-replying to @Groundfish

problem is most people think if you dont retaliate that means you think its ok so they most likely would do it again , at some point you may want to show that you dont wanna be ****ed with

 

[oneloops]

problem is most people think if you dont retaliate that means you think its ok so they most likely would do it again , at some point you may want to show that you dont wanna be ****ed with

I think that the best option is to improve your qualify and improve your DR and SR so you will never see them again.

Battle with them is to keep playing in the same splits than them, never going out that hole.

Dirty people use to be low skill drivers.

 

[NoStopN]

It is. It never fails to surprise me tho regarding the mental effects it can produce.

True. The revenge has consumed me to the point that I did more to hurt my DR/SR than the original incident did.

I rarely retaliate but if I see a driver punt, sideswipe and ruin the race for a number of people I usually take him out for the good of us all.

I've done that too. And if I can prove someone is driving with intent to ruin another driver's race, then good night Irene.

what is the benefit of getting ahead by cheating .

Some people lead an empty life. If they get any chance to be superior about any little thing, that's all they can claim as an accomplishment.

The 86 is a sleeper. Its very good on tires so don’t diss it lol.

I was just fooling around last night for qualifying & the 86 was putting in respectable laps with other cars I tried. Damn shame that they BoP'd it as drastically as they did.

I need to learn St. Croix...looks like fun, but I'll probably need 30 laps to get it down...maybe more.

It's a solid challenge for the week. Highly recommend. 👍

I'm going to have to see this for myself before I believe it.

Can't speak on the race behavior, but it too was better than expected running test laps last night.

 

[Groundfish]

problem is most people think if you dont retaliate that means you think its ok so they most likely would do it again , at some point you may want to show that you dont wanna be ****ed with

Yep, further, I think from seeing in race in the races I do, one mistake made often by poor drivers is trying to ‘trick’ their opponents by late swerves before braking, feinting to one side, then swooping swerving around, or trying to defend by trickery.
You can always tell a racer because they place their car on track like placing a chess piece on a chessboard.
Some people might not understand that going defensive is safe for all if you show your intent by choosing a side very early before a turn.
This places you in a position of control, as opposed to maybe staying ahead and on the racing line with someone very aggressive behind you wanting to late brake dive inside and hit you etc.
or maybe you are just a little slow or new and brake a little too early when you take the racing line. With a car behind being fast and seasoned they might not expect that and if you are the car ahead you get punted.
I’m a huge advocate of properly, openly early, revealing your intentions to go defensive, if something doesn’t feel right you are in control-you could always lift early, allow the overtake and tuck in behind.
Plus often poor drivers fight tooth and nail and go side by side rubbing doors through a turn leading to a straight and then BOTH are slow on the straight...
Many many many times backing off before the braking zone, giving up that space THERE leads to easy passes on the straight.
I just love it when I’m racing from the back and two or more cars are side by side ahead because I know there’s an 80 percent chance if they can’t get sorted and onto the racing line I will be faster and easily pass....
I was picking up 10-15 positions every time on Autopolis because people don’t realize how much time they are losing by battling tooth and nail, collecting pens and sr downs while being slowed up by their own lack of understanding.

 

[Rexracer702]

Yep, further, I think from seeing in race in the races I do, one mistake made often by poor drivers is trying to ‘trick’ their opponents by late swerves before braking, feinting to one side, then swooping swerving around, or trying to defend by trickery.
You can always tell a racer because they place their car on track like placing a chess piece on a chessboard.
Some people might not understand that going defensive is safe for all if you show your intent by choosing a side very early before a turn.
This places you in a position of control, as opposed to maybe staying ahead and on the racing line with someone very aggressive behind you wanting to late brake dive inside and hit you etc.
or maybe you are just a little slow or new and brake a little too early when you take the racing line. With a car behind being fast and seasoned they might not expect that and if you are the car ahead you get punted.
I’m a huge advocate of properly, openly early, revealing your intentions to go defensive, if something doesn’t feel right you are in control-you could always lift early, allow the overtake and tuck in behind.
Plus often poor drivers fight tooth and nail and go side by side rubbing doors through a turn leading to a straight and then BOTH are slow on the straight...
Many many many times backing off before the braking zone, giving up that space THERE leads to easy passes on the straight.
I just love it when I’m racing from the back and two or more cars are side by side ahead because I know there’s an 80 percent chance if they can’t get sorted and onto the racing line I will be faster and easily pass....
I was picking up 10-15 positions every time on Autopolis because people don’t realize how much time they are losing by battling tooth and nail, collecting pens and sr downs while being slowed up by their own lack of understanding.

Good post, and I agree. I want to add that, though some don't get it, racing from the back really helps your racecraft. You learn to be patient, and you also learn how little late braking really gains you. I'm still amazed when I get behind someone who is not that much slower than me, and I brake really early to set my corner speed, go through the corner with little to no tire squeal, and drive out with 5mph on the guy I just followed through the corner. I watched @Sven Jurgens do it in replays, and couldn't believe how slow it seemed he was going, yet he moved through the pack like nothing. Now I do the same, and learn every time.

 

[Redneckchef]

There are some people who cant accept being passed. I have an incident below. The driver here was responsible for the destruction of my SR that I spent last night working to repair. In this clip I pulled the same brake early, turn in correct and launch out the turn to pass. However they didn't like it. They had been all over and I thought if I got ahead I could.just leave them. However they decided to simply go full .

They also punted me end of lap 4. They apologized after the race when I promised to destroy them if I got near them again. They claim this is an accident but it looks pretty damn deliberate. They also claim I was swerving all over the place and not keeping a smooth line in the braking zone.

I do accept their apology for the second punt as they had dirty tires from getting rubbed off by a driver ahead and they were trying to revenge punt the other driver. So while I haven't posted footage of that one it counts as why revenge punts sometimes suck.

 

[Lateralus5813]

Did my first couple of races without TC. I used the 650s on Dragon Tail. First race was going ok then I spun in the first chicane, but I finished P11 after starting P13. Second race was clean, started P13, finished P10. I really liked the experience, having to pay attention to throttle brings another layer of complexity to the game. I'll keep trying but maybe I won't be able to do this with all cars or in all tracks. Good fun!

 

[Ferrari458Italia]

Get the Lewis Hamilton DLC, if you can diamond everything it’s 125m credits, or 25m for all golds. 👍

well dang. On a scale of 1-10 how hard would you say it is to diamond everything? I'm not very familiar with this DLC. Is the diamond you literally beating Lewis' time? if so thats pretty impossible atleast for me lol

 

[Groundfish]

I ran the Renault...It’s pretty wicked at Seaside. I forgot to hit save tho on the qual lap, ended up saving at just 38.7 or something but a few laps later it gave me half a sec quicker. Tcs and bb default...
That’s a fun car for Seaside, once you get used to it, but no mirrors in cockpit, gotta use look back button...

 

[Trone_Colby]

Revenge punts are satisfying. I can usually tell what’s an accident and what was deliberate.

@Redneckchef did he know the braking point? I had the same exact thing happen to me. My punter backed off though. I don’t think too many know when to brake there.

 

[roamingbard13]

Revenge punts are satisfying. I can usually tell what’s an accident and what was deliberate.

@Redneckchef did he know the braking point? I had the same exact thing happen to me. My punter backed off though. I don’t think too many know when to brake there.

When I'm unsure of my braking point, I let off the gas and give a little space. Honestly...I do that nearly all the time when I'm that close. Better to try to get a great exit than push it on corner entry.

That corner is especially funky because it's not full on braking. I brake pretty gently there to get pointed in the right direction, and I probably do that a little earlier than most to get a good exit.

 

[Petroperu]

First race in Tsukuba, get a good practice lap.
I start 3rd place in the race, get to 1st because the first two are hitting each other.
A slight contact with both get me a 2 second penalty. Notice I am trying to drive straight while they are blocking the road almost sideways.
Anyways, I take my penalty.
Second lap, this Brazilian is hitting me from the back, then proceeds to t-bone me to get my position, but he gets no penalty.
Still, I maintain my position on the road.
End up 4th place, because of this filthy driver.

I wonder how the bright minds of Polyphony Digital decided the algorithm.

 

[Rexracer702]

well dang. On a scale of 1-10 how hard would you say it is to diamond everything? I'm not very familiar with this DLC. Is the diamond you literally beating Lewis' time? if so thats pretty impossible atleast for me lol

I found golds really hard, but I'm no alien. My question is, with all the updates since that was posted, can even LH beat his own times in that car now?

 

[sturk0167]

well dang. On a scale of 1-10 how hard would you say it is to diamond everything? I'm not very familiar with this DLC. Is the diamond you literally beating Lewis' time? if so thats pretty impossible atleast for me lol

10/10
I've spent at least 30-40 hours on it, and only got gold on 7 of the 10 tracks. There's no chance I'll even get 1 diamond (Beating LH).
I'm an average driver.
I would say it takes A+ skill to master it. They made the target times too difficult, imo.

 

[oneloops]

This game is so frustrating sometimes. With how much PD is focusing on online racing, you'd think they would give higher rewards for playing online or something. I mean seriously what am i gonna do with $17,100 credits for getting 3rd online?
it's so hard being a collector in this game. This will be the first GT that I probably won't have all the cars in the game - not even close to having all the cars even though I've been playing since day 1 and have 100% completed everything offline minus ~5ish endurance races lol

You can try the Nostalgic 1979 win+clean race = 240.000 credits in 7 minutes at Le Mans (and at the others locations it's a good reward too).

I think that the offline mode is very enjoyable with clean races and some selected combos

well dang. On a scale of 1-10 how hard would you say it is to diamond everything? I'm not very familiar with this DLC. Is the diamond you literally beating Lewis' time? if so thats pretty impossible atleast for me lol

I'd say it's 10 to diamong everything.
I've achieved only 3 diamonds and 10 golds.

Hamilton drives with some different lines compared to aliens and compared to IA, it's interesting and a huge challenge to beat him.
The only "easy" track to beat him is Dragon Trail, his lap has some important mistakes there.

 

[Rexracer702]

10/10
I've spent at least 30-40 hours on it, and only got gold on 7 of the 10 tracks. There's no chance I'll even get 1 diamond (Beating LH).
I'm an average driver.
I would say it takes A+ skill to master it. They made the target times too difficult, imo.

I can't agree with you here. Anyone who gets top 100 times in the region...ever, is not an average driver.

Edit; Another thing that makes it difficult, at least for me, it that they limit you to one lap, so you can never get in a groove for the fast lap. I may try a time trial until I get fast, then move over to try to beat his time...next time I have that much time to kill.

 

[Petroperu]

So this is what I am talking about.
Pretty much nothing new but still frustrating.
Bad day for me in Sport Mode I guess.

 

[oneloops]

I can't agree with you here. Anyone who gets top 100 times in the region...ever, is not an average driver.

Edit; Another thing that makes it difficult, at least for me, it that they limit you to one lap, so you can never get in a groove for the fast lap. I may try a time trial until I get fast, then move over to try to beat his time...next time I have that much time to kill.

But the retry begins very near to the finish line, so it's almost continous if you just retry before the line. It's not like retrying in other hotlaps.

So this is what I am talking about.
Pretty much nothing new but still frustrating.
Bad day for me in Sport Mode I guess.

Not enough margin = collisions = possible penaltys.
If it was your car you'd let more margin.

 

[Petroperu]

But the retry begins very near to the finish line, so it's almost continous if you just retry before the line. It's not like retrying in other hotlaps.



Not enough margin = collisions = possible penaltys.
If it was your car you'd let more margin.

But the other cars in front of me didn't get a penalty.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I can't agree with you here. Anyone who gets top 100 times in the region...ever, is not an average driver.

Edit; Another thing that makes it difficult, at least for me, it that they limit you to one lap, so you can never get in a groove for the fast lap. I may try a time trial until I get fast, then move over to try to beat his time...next time I have that much time to kill.

That's almost impossible. The LH Challenge is run on the old physics model from when it was released so if you practice in TT the car will be completely different.

 

[oneloops]

But the other cars in front of me didn't get a penalty.

In real life races not always consequences are the same for everyone, you can't risk thinking that all the drivers involved in a collision will have the same damage or the same penalties...

 

[MaxAttack]

Always pass on straights or by getting the INSIDE. Never pass outside. Passing in a turn is very dangerous.

I'm just going to go ahead and ignore this advice. I love a good outside attempt. Make 'em brave on the brakes, undercut when they overshoot. Sometimes the presence of a car close by can make a driver bottle. Good enough for me with my ass qualifying pace. I'm with you all the rest of the way, though.

 

[Lateralus5813]

So this is what I am talking about.
Pretty much nothing new but still frustrating.
Bad day for me in Sport Mode I guess.

Infuriating.

 

[Groundfish]

I'm just going to go ahead and ignore this advice. I love a good outside attempt. Make 'em brave on the brakes, undercut when they overshoot. Sometimes the presence of a car close by can make a driver bottle. Good enough for me with my ass qualifying pace. I'm with you all the rest of the way, though.

The crossover is always a good one. I’m talking goin the long way round. Nine times from ten at average levels that’s suicide. Get into good rooms tho and things are different.
That’s the thing too, things open up as you move up the ranks of dr sr, and it gets more realistic. At lower and average levels imo you have to protect people from themselves. You have to learn to protect yourself from their uncontrollable urge to go for nonexistent gaps lol.

 

[Pigems]

well dang. On a scale of 1-10 how hard would you say it is to diamond everything? I'm not very familiar with this DLC. Is the diamond you literally beating Lewis' time? if so thats pretty impossible atleast for me lol

All diamonds is pretty tough(Yes, Diamond means beating LH’s time), I only have 4 so far myself, I’m within .5 on about 3/4 of the others though. The Golds aren’t too too bad, but still a good challenge. But, if you have a fast friend, you can always get them to set the times for you. I’ve gotten the gold times for a few of my buddies now, only takes about an hour and a half to get the golds at this point.