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NevilleNobody
TO Maggiore this week. This track sits firmly on top of the "Really enjoy it but just struggle with pace" list. I get eaten alive through the esses every time, losing a solid half a second to 3/4 second against guys I can easily hang with for the rest of the lap. I also get burnt in the last series of corners before the final turn, the double right then left. If I enter slow to get a good exit guys are all over my rear, if I increase entry I am slow out.

I think other than Suzuka this is the most anti-D-Pad track in the game, but it is a cracking track.
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Do you use the D-pad or the analog sticks? I used the analog sticks before getting a wheel & due to the range of motion, the sticks will allow you to better adjust your line. Also, Maggiore will let you get away with some things related to track limits. Use those to your advantage in the esses. Watch this replay:



Vegard
How to ruin Race C, PD style.

Take a low-power lightweight entry level race car.
Add 206 kg of ballast.
Reduce the power by 34 PS.
Set tyre wear multiplier at x16 so that the already terrible handling gets worse as the race progresses.

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Race A is the usual fun at turn #1. I started around 6th and had another half dozen or so behind me, tried to find a way through the mess in front while avoiding the traffic approaching from behind and got a 2 sec penalty for something involving about 8 cars in the middle of the turn. I bailed out of the race soon after.
 
Groundfish
I guess on c race they intend to make it less arcade and more sim this week.
Personally I like the high tire wear, but more weight.
Its because my conservative style does well in those conditions I guess.
To me, I’m opposite what most players want. Seems like most streamers and players want full out maximum attack over the whole race. They want ultimate breakneck speed maximum risk every lap and they feel their one lap pace is great enough and this way would give them best chance go win.
For me I like shorter races but I also enjoy the strategy involved with tire wear and fuel use. Sometimes a lap 3/4 second off max attack but done repeatedly over the course of a race is far better on tires and fuel, and more realistic imo.
I feel it takes skill to conserve tires, but seems like the majority belief is tire wear just happens at a fixed rate per car regardless, and is viewed as a nuisance...
I just disagree...
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I like it too. And I run the same lap times all race within .1
There really isn't much degradation of tires doing a race for me, I might have to move my brake points a yard earlier.
 
Groundfish
If someone tried that on me then I assure you they have a very high chance of ending up off track when they try to overtake.
That’s a cowardly cheesy arcade dirty thing that lifting you describe.
Jmo but when people start with junk like that I’ve not problem running them off or punting them into the sand or brake checking them or PIT maneuvering them or trash talking them etc etc etc. they need to be trained, like dogs...ETC ETC ETC


This is why on certain races I never enter even at 99. I simply will not tolerate cheaters.
I won’t bend over and take it just to stay 99 and let them make a mockery of racing itself.
It’s a mental health thing.
I dunno how people can just take getting cheated and not retaliate, honestly. Espescially from slower drivers, that’s the absolute worst!
One of the other things I hate is streamers starting last acting like idiots lap 1 on c races.
I just can’t take it anymore.
I built up my main by being ‘the better person’
‘Pass them fair that will show em’
In actual fact most of these people will quit mid race, exit chat immediately, unless they finish ahead.
There’s only one thing they understand, getting beat, fair or unfair.
I built main by never reacting. No more. I run alt now, if there’s even a hint of evil intent I detect I will nuke it immediately.
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It's a problem that's so unique to the Nordschleife that I understand why it may not seem like an issue on the surface to some people. There are certain tactics to gain/defend a position that we all consider to be cheap and unsportsman-like because they don't require any skill: punting, brute-forcing a pass where there's no room, repeatedly blocking a pass, etc.. to me this situation falls into that category. Because if the positions were reversed I would easily have been multiple seconds ahead and well out of slipstream range by the time I hit the final straight. It's the obvious difference in skill that makes it so annoying.

I don't mind taking revenge in those situations as long it doesn't risk a penalty that could **** me over even worse.
 
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Race C is an interesting combo this week. I'm not too bad at Suzuka and in this car it has brought another level of how smooth you need to be. Brake points are completely different, if needed at all & you can stay on the gas through the S's if you get the line right, ha.
Only done one race so far as I need to get more familiar with the combination. Started P6 ended P10 due to lack of concentration on lap 7 at the final chicane. :gtpflag:
 
Vegard
It's not the amount of wear that is the problem but the imbalance of it.
Even with BB +5 the fronts wear twice as fast as the rears which makes the chronic understeer worse.
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Jmo it’s technique.
Bb0 is fine if you can use partial inputs.
There’s nothing inherent about the car itself that causes what you describe.
I’ve heard that before so many times but it’s not the case IF a person can control their inputs in a smooth progressive way. If you understand what’s really causing that excessive wear then it can be corrected by better technique.
Nothin personal just objective game reality.

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I ran qual on b earlier in the big bad beemer. Around ten laps in settled on 56.5
Shared replay search tag fish if you wanna go fishing for a ghost.
Entered one race on alt. Emerged victorious, back to S from A.
The beemer replay I shared is a pretty good example of my style with running the race line tcs3 bb0 ABS weak...dare ya to beat it criticize it lol show me up!
 
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Groundfish
If someone tried that on me then I assure you they have a very high chance of ending up off track when they try to overtake.
That’s a cowardly cheesy arcade dirty thing that lifting you describe.
Jmo but when people start with junk like that I’ve not problem running them off or punting them into the sand or brake checking them or PIT maneuvering them or trash talking them etc etc etc. they need to be trained, like dogs...ETC ETC ETC


This is why on certain races I never enter even at 99. I simply will not tolerate cheaters.
I won’t bend over and take it just to stay 99 and let them make a mockery of racing itself.
It’s a mental health thing.
I dunno how people can just take getting cheated and not retaliate, honestly. Espescially from slower drivers, that’s the absolute worst!
One of the other things I hate is streamers starting last acting like idiots lap 1 on c races.
I just can’t take it anymore.
I built up my main by being ‘the better person’
‘Pass them fair that will show em’
In actual fact most of these people will quit mid race, exit chat immediately, unless they finish ahead.
There’s only one thing they understand, getting beat, fair or unfair.
I built main by never reacting. No more. I run alt now, if there’s even a hint of evil intent I detect I will nuke it immediately.
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Sadly, even that doesn't work. One race I was so fed up by this one guy (sporting a Borat livery) I went out of my way to make sure he finished last. I had already raced him a couple times, he's not fast but simply barges and blocks his way to the front knowing how to avoid and deliver penalties. This time he again deliberately ran into me. while making a clean pass, to deliver me a penalty.

So I started slowing down, keeping my car right in front of him, letting the other drivers through (We were at around 5th at the time). If he managed to somehow get aside I pushed him into the wall. When he spun I stopped to wait to resume blocking his ass. I got about 12 sec in penalties in lap 1 but he was dumb enough to hold back about a minute before the straight hoping I would leave him alone. I did, I sped on to the straight, serving the penalty and only fell 5 sec behind when he passed.

It didn't take long to catch back up with him, rammed him off first, then block again letting the rest of the field through. He was not a quitter, kept trying but could not get passed me. And when he did, due to ghosting, it didn't take long to catch him again a corner or two later. I had about 16 sec penalties that round but finished ahead of him since we timed out before the straight. After the race I type, "Are you going to behave now". Lot of cursing as response of course. I went off to better races in SR.E, good riddance.

Did it work, nope. He's actually on that video I posted in the penalty thread. I pass him at the 5 minute mark, then he tries to pay me back at the end of the middle straight but fails spectacularly. That still didn't do anything, next race he gets called out again by multiple people in the room.


I've tried it on other people as well, 2 in one race, kept them both behind while serving penalties in between. I got them down to the back of the field while still finishing ahead. One thing you learn in this game is how to drive dirty, plenty examples everywhere :lol: I told them why, but just got 'grow up' among the more colorful responses.


This game has changed so much. The "Thanks for the clean race" option might as well be removed as well as "I'm sorry". Out of my ~80 races getting rammed, side swiped, dive bombed, punted, I got one "I'm Sorry" from a Brazilian and I didn't even know what he was sorry for. Whatever he did wasn't on my radar as anything dirty. It must be when he messed up and I slowed down not to hit him, thus got bumped by a car coming from further back. Not his fault, yellow flag doesn't mean speed up.
 
Sean YZF
Race C is an interesting combo this week. I'm not too bad at Suzuka and in this car it has brought another level of how smooth you need to be. Brake points are completely different, if needed at all & you can stay on the gas through the S's if you get the line right, ha.
Only done one race so far as I need to get more familiar with the combination. Started P6 ended P10 due to lack of concentration on lap 7 at the final chicane. :gtpflag:
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Yeah I did a practice run last night since I was fairly certain this would be the car and it's nice how you don't need the brakes at all for the esses, from T3 all the way to Dunlop just modulating the throttle is enough to move the grip to the front tires. T1 is right scary with little to no downforce, though.
 
astrarobotica
It's a problem that's so unique to the Nordschleife that I understand why it may not seem like an issue on the surface to some people. There are certain tactics to gain/defend a position that we all consider to be cheap and unsportsman-like because they don't require any skill: punting, brute-forcing a pass where there's no room, repeatedly blocking a pass, etc.. to me this situation falls into that category. Because if the positions were reversed I would easily have been multiple seconds ahead and well out of slipstream range by the time I hit the final straight. It's the obvious difference in skill that makes it so annoying.

I don't mind taking revenge in those situations as long it doesn't risk a penalty that could **** me over even worse.
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The penalty isn't even enough. When someone dirty blocks on the straight or runs me off while passing and no one else is around, simply run them off at the bottom, take a 1 or 2 sec penalty and finish ahead of them. It takes a while to recover from the grass pit at the end. I found out the hard way when cheated out of a couple victories that way. They never stick around in the chat after that either.

I always prefer racing clean and start every race with a clean slate. I'll even let it all slide as long as no penalty triggers. However when I have 2 sec on the clock (thus slowed down to 2nd gear on the straight) the gloves are off. Nothing more to lose, get rid of the offender(s), then enjoy a good 2nd lap.
 
cactus0
Grrr, there is a special place in hell for people who serve penalties on the racing line.
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Yes and also the ones who then try to ram afterwards or get you to run into the back of them to get them back up to speed. :banghead:

The only time I've served a penalty on the racing line is when others are doing it because it's better to do that rather than creating a chicane of cars all just about to unghost at any moment. :ouch:


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RacingGrandpa
Here are my tires at lap 8. TCS 0, BB 3
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Your left front is three times more worn than your left rear.
Your right front is twice as worn as your right rear.

Is it a massive problem? No.
But it was enough to negatively affect the already overly pushy handling in the closing stages.
 
RacingGrandpa
Here are my tires at lap 8. TCS 0, BB 3View attachment 973687
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That is about what I am looking like most races. The biggest thing I found is to definitely be careful about how you approach the corners. Focusing on being as smooth as possible while focusing on a full speed exit. Pushing hard into the entrance of turns definitely eats the tires. Also learning how to smooth places like the hairpin and spoon. Definitely a few ways to drive this race. Running BB 2 and TCS 0 as well.
 
Vegard
Your left front is three times more worn than your left rear.
Your right front is twice as worn as your right rear.

Is it a massive problem? No.
But it was enough to negatively affect the already overly pushy handling in the closing stages.
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I know it’s hard for you to accept this but your complaints about understeer combined with your exaggerations about tire wear reveal the truth.
Look at the picture, those were his tires.
I said it, others said it, the picture confirmed it.
I mean if you are gonna go negative do so re the pen system, nearly everybody agrees on that.
C race looks to be a very fun one as many folks have posted.
You are trying to swim up Niagara Falls when you already went over in a barrel...
Of course the car won’t handle the same at the end with worn tires.
The point!
 
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Rods
Having a blast at Race C tonight. I wish there were more combos like this.

Here's a switchback into turn 1-2, my highlight of the night so far:


*props to DriverBert for the clean driving, he did well to avoid me on the "second stage" of the overtake
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That’s what racing’s all about, applying pressure, properly going defensive, pressure works, car ahead gets deep, attacker takes advantage of the opening!
No contact between vehicles, that’s doing it RIGHT! Love that cockpit view and camera action with the side look! Nice touch. Sound settings are great also!
You sir have set a fine example!
 
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Groundfish
That’s what racing’s all about, applying pressure, properly going defensive, pressure works, car ahead gets deep, attacker takes advantage of the opening!
No contact between vehicles, that’s doing it RIGHT! Love that cockpit view and camera action with the side look! Nice touch. Sound settings are great also!
You sir have set a fine example!
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Thank you @Groundfish!! Glad you liked it
 
Another huge Race C fan here. I am loving this combo AND I'm having great success as well. 2 wins and a P3 in my last 3 races and up 2k DR. I'm sure I'll regret saying this, but something about the combo seems to really encourage clean racing. I've had so many side-by-side battles through turns with nothing but mutual respect. I wonder if it's the appropriate matching of car and average driver ability?

The TC is such fun to drive and really responds to smooth, balanced approach to corners. If I could work out how to nail the hairpin and Casio every time the sky would be the limit.
 
Yeah as predicted, just no pace at the lake. Best is a 57.7 and that's about all I got. This track needs a car that rotates and I just cannot turn good laps in those cars because they slide too much under brakes or when I lift. So i am stuck with stable cars that understeer badly here.

First 2 races I won and repaired my sr. Second race I barely touch a guy, as in I didn't even know I did but nope, 2 seconds. Third race the pack has their waybwith me being pin balled and copping penalty after penalty for not doing much tbh.

Ended the night where I started.
 
NevilleNobody
Yeah as predicted, just no pace at the lake. Best is a 57.7 and that's about all I got. This track needs a car that rotates and I just cannot turn good laps in those cars because they slide too much under brakes or when I lift. So i am stuck with stable cars that understeer badly here.

First 2 races I won and repaired my sr. Second race I barely touch a guy, as in I didn't even know I did but nope, 2 seconds. Third race the pack has their waybwith me being pin balled and copping penalty after penalty for not doing much tbh.

Ended the night where I started.
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Is it just me, or does it seem like the A and C races are being run by people from Forza? I got ping ponged all over Suzuka by bombers and missiles and ended way back, with penalties, and lost nearly 25 SR places. Autopolis was nearly as bad. Racing the same Scirocco as last week and I have NO pace.....sigh.
 
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I'm enjoying TCR Japan, but screw it! Everyone on the Scirocco because of the leader board. Did one race using the Scirocket before I checked those qualy times. Moved up 8 spots to finish P3.
Set a 1:53.115 for the next race. However, jumped in the Megane. Mainly A/S room. Started P3. TT on Pole and Scirocco P2. Pole had a horrible start. Me and the P2 Scirocco take off, but I'm still faster to T1. I back off and the TT tries to muscle the Scorocco out of the way. It gets 4 seconds and the Scirocco 2 seconds. I move up to P1.
TT does a dicey move on a different Scirocco behind me and gets a total of 7 seconds. I pull away for the rest of the race. Eventually P2 Scirocco finished P2. We were the only two players with blue 'S'.
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