"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Pennyb12000]

People too often seem to want to feel their aggression is totally justified and anyone else being aggressive is totally unacceptable.

Agreed. Be competitive by all means, but there is no place for aggression, anywhere.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I've been asking myself if the Mustang is back...

These are going out to my guys @Groundfish & @RacingGrandpa.

Glad to see the Stang being used to so good results.
It wasn't buffed, the others where nerfed so the difference is smaller.. But the Vette is stronger, as is the Dodge (only just).
Inspite of that I still think the Mustang drives the best.

 

[05XR8]

Won again, from 5th.

GT-R, Atenza, WRX Slophy. Genesis(Me). 4C, C7. We all start on RMs.
GT-R pulls over at the start. Atenza bins it into T1(It was hugging the inside line down the straight, for who knows why). The WRX wasn't even trying to get the draft.
WRX is leading and bins it after the PZ T12. I'm on the bumper of the Slophy. That's Lap 1.

I get the lead on Lap 2. SLophy wasn't blocking or anything, but so slow. Maybe the player qualified using the META 4C? Anyway, I passed it at the hairpin T11. Slophy & WRX pitted LAp 5. I pit my usual Lap 6. Come out 3 seconds ahead of a 458 that had yet to stop. Helped me build the gap a bit more due to the Slophy catching up as per the map. Finished 10 seconds ahead.

I'd say I've got lucky this week or haven't crossed paths with the same detroyers all week. Can only remember the British Bulldog earlier in the week, being in consecutive races. Other than that, I'm seeing players I've never raced before. Maybe it's a good thing with so many being cautious and trying to preserve the DR. I don't know. That made 11 CRBs. Including me being punted off and serving that player back.

 

[Barney Da Dog]

Absolutely kicking myself last night - did 7M/3S in the WRX and went from 8th to 2nd in the last 3 laps.. Right on the leader's tail up to the last hairpin - and I completely missed my braking and went straight in the gravel Still managed to slide around and finish 2nd though.

Won in the 86 after starting on pole and dropping to 4th, and then benefitted from everyone barging themselves out of contention. Victory by 12 seconds.

Might try a few other cars later

 

[05XR8]

848.7kms in the Gr.4 Genesis. 15 Clean Races, 3 Pole poitions9Gr.4 Genesis), 11 Fastest Laps(12 including the Gr.3 Genesis), 16 races(17 including the Gr.3 Genesis), 9 wins(10 including the Gr.3 Genesis). Good car. The penalty suystem definitely helped with the other stats, but this is a gooooood car. PLayers have avoided this thing all week. I mean, it's 13 years old (Edit: 2013 model) solid. 👍
Shame on you, Mazda. Should have given us a Gr.4 rotary coupe, with performance like this.

Last race, I finished 2nd by 0.010(Started 7th). Catching the Lead WRX. It stopped Lap 5, when I was right behind it. After my pit, I came out 2.8 seconds behind and set purple times to catch up on the back half of the circuit. Clean side by side battle, through the last turn and through the final chicane to the line.

Going to miss Autopolis. It's the equaliser.

 

[Barney Da Dog]

848.7kms in the Gr.4 Genesis. 15 Clean Races, 3 Pole poitions9Gr.4 Genesis), 11 Fastest Laps(12 including the Gr.3 Genesis), 16 races(17 including the Gr.3 Genesis), 9 wins(10 including the Gr.3 Genesis). Good car.


Going to miss Autopolis. It's the equaliser.

Will try the Genesis later..

Autopolis is one of my favourite tracks. I think as much of it is steered on the throttle, I find it easier to make time, compared to tracks where braking seems most important. And the lack of odd track limits and deathy chicanes is always a bonus.

 

[BalsBrother]

848.7kms in the Gr.4 Genesis. 15 Clean Races, 3 Pole poitions9Gr.4 Genesis), 11 Fastest Laps(12 including the Gr.3 Genesis), 16 races(17 including the Gr.3 Genesis), 9 wins(10 including the Gr.3 Genesis). Good car. The penalty suystem definitely helped with the other stats, but this is a gooooood car. PLayers have avoided this thing all week. I mean, it's 13 yearld old, but solid. 👍
Shame on you, Mazda. Should have given us a Gr.4 rotary coupe, with performance like this.

Last race, I finished 2nd by 0.010(Started 7th). Catching the Lead WRX. It stopped Lap 5, when I was right behind it. After my pit, I came out 2.8 seconds behind and set purple times to catch up on the back half of the circuit. Clean side by side battle, through the last turn and through the final chicane to the line.

Going to miss Autopolis. It's the equaliser.

Best I have done in the Genesis is a 5th it would have been 3rd but I got bumped off in last corner. Wasn't happy but all they had to say was "close racing happens". Yeah it does but I don't suppose they would be so relaxed about it if they were the ones in the gravel after not even scratching anyone's paintwork the entire race. Sigh

 

[05XR8]

I find the most fun and aggressive corner for me, in the Genesis, is T2 entry. I can trailbrake deep and have a shallow line for the entry to the double left-hander. Other than that, it's just a balanced car.

Mustang has more torque, but the suspension is too stiff. Genesis suspension, is between the RC F and M4. Just more planted than the M4.

 

[NoStopN]

Glad to see the Stang being used to so good results.
It wasn't buffed, the others where nerfed so the difference is smaller.. But the Vette is stronger, as is the Dodge (only just).
Inspite of that I still think the Mustang drives the best.

I’m not sure what the reason is (RM tires, handling adjustment in the last update, etc.), but the Mustang is very close in driving feel to the way it was when I was having success with it almost 2 years ago. I tried the Viper & it seemed to slide/under steer bad going into the hairpin after the CoD & I drove it off track trying to qualify. ON RM TIRES!! There was certainly some adjustments made to the Viper, in a negative way. But I do feel like the Mustang got an adjustment for the positive. I guess we’ll be able to determine that when we have our next Gr. 3 week with RH tires as the only choice.

 

[hardvibes]

What a horrible B race. Accidents all over the track... disturbing layout...
I already hate that chicane with the wall in the normal layout. The reverse one makes me feel even more insecure and weird. Never happened before.

 

[ASH32]

Tried 3 more cars so updated the list. Someone (don't know if it was same person) glitched the start in two races though so that was annoying, as were the dirty drivers who seem to be out in force today.

The Huracan has never been my best car and although the tyres look ok it just feels like they are not. If you like this car and can drive it then it's probably usable but no more than that.

The 458 is nice, no real issue with it. One of the better cars I've tried but not quite as fast as the top car(/s). Usable though for me.

The WRX is decent and almost good, it can match the Trophy for speed but starts to hurt it's front tyres, if you are a good tyre saver and/or don't mind this then this car can be up there with the 86 and maybe even the Trophy.

Now the NSX which also very decent, I'm guessing a little as my first two fast laps were spoilt with traffic but it seems pretty decent and I've seen another person lap well in it before.

F-Type done now too, what a rocket ship, shame about the tyres so 5M/5S is needed I think but it's worth using at least once just to blow past most cars on the straight.

Used the GT by Citroen but pitted early on lap 3 to avoid a couple of bangers in front, which worked but then there was more traffic on every lap apart from the last so I've no idea where it stands yet. People sure know the Trophy has good brakes but use them everywhere, so annoying.

 

[AfraidRacer]

Well, the new penalty system doesn't seem to be working, so I decided to 'simulate' it at Autopolis today on the alt. Every time I got punted off, I 'gave' a 4s penalty to a random person in front. Worked quite well!

In my second race, I tried out the Trophy without TCS. It's really fun, might be my 2nd favourite Gr.4 now, behind the TT.
Before the race started, I went and reread a message I got from a Brazilian yesterday after I punted him off and then waited for him to go past. The race was a lot cleaner from my side, and it was honestly much more satisfying.

It's the indirect effect of no more DR resets and SR yoyo system. Most people are now at high SR, you really need to work at getting out of SR.S with the current system.

Matchmaking goes by SR then DR. Since most people are now at high SR, DR will be closer grouped together. And since no more DR resets, no more random DR, people actually get matched on how competitive they are.

It still has little to do with clean and fair racing, and at higher DR you might actually see more people willing to race with elbows out to increase their DR. That was my observation at Sarthe last week, A+/A DR rooms were pretty nasty at times, while a bit lower on the DR scale people left more room and drove with much less desperation to gain/keep positions.

The poorer (sportmanship) driver gets ahead in this system. But indeed, they'll still crash themselves sooner or later, the better skilled driver still has the overall advantage if they don't mind dealing with continued abuse

Yeah, the races are more competetive. It's easier to bump'n'run.

 

[Barney Da Dog]

I find the most fun and aggressive corner for me, in the Genesis, is T2 entry. I can trailbrake deep and have a shallow line for the entry to the double left-hander. Other than that, it's just a balanced car.

I can't get the Genesis to turn at all - never driven it til today though, but it appears I'm pretty slow with it.

 

[Barra333]

I raced it a couple of times last night and made a couple of observations (driving with a DualSense)
- Smooth on corner entry is key, otherwise the back wheels try and overtake the front.
- Same goes for if you put the BB too far back. +1 was good, +2 was very tail happy.
- It either hooks up or understeers a lot. No real middle ground on that, but once you are in the corner it felt solid.

 

[newb1017]

I am finding the Megane Gr 4 faster than the Megane Trophy 11.. seems odd compared to what I am seeing in the races..

 

[BalsBrother]

I am finding the Megane Gr 4 faster than the Megane Trophy 11.. seems odd compared to what I am seeing in the races..

I can put in a faster lap with the Mégane Gr 4 but it eats its tyres much quicker so it ends up losing out over race distance to the Trophy or at least that is my observations when I have used it.

I can't get the Genesis to turn at all never driven it til today, but it appears I'm pretty slow with it.

Slow in fast out. You can't chuck it into a corner like a Trophy but Genises will find it's balance much quicker so you can get on the throttle earlier and will come out the other side with more acceleration if hit it correctly. I run BB +3 for my driving style. Again just my observations from how I drive the Genesis other folks might do it differently.

 

[ASH32]

I am finding the Megane Gr 4 faster than the Megane Trophy 11.. seems odd compared to what I am seeing in the races..

Yes that seems odd, I've not seen one person try the other Megane in a race, probably a good reason for that. The low tyre wear gives the Trophy it's big advantage, you can run as long as you like on the soft tyres and that opens the strategy window in ways other cars can't match. With no wear the WRX,NSX,458,86(close now anyway) and F-type (I think this would be the META because it's so fast in a straight line) and probably more (like the 4C if you can drive it) could all match against it very well but 8 laps on the softs there's not a chance any are as good as the Trophy.

 

[OJBrit]

- It either hooks up or understeers a lot. No real middle ground on that, but once you are in the corner it felt solid.

This 100%. Drove it for the first time ever tonight and it is a really good car to use here. Got my fastest time with it. But yes I suffered random bouts of understeer across the races. Was good coming out of the last corner and you can have a Trophy by turn 1 easy.

 

[sturk0167]

Two times this guy brake-checked me in the race. I guess that how some people deal with their inadequacies.


In a later race, I found myself in the same position. Gee, what do you think I was preparing for???


Ha ha. Idiot. Learn some new moves.

 

[05XR8]

I dunno, I've been on the RM versus Slophys on the RM and been beating them. Been beating them when they pit Lap 5 for RS and I pit Lap 6 for RS.

 

[GT5Power]

Your guess is as good as mine as to where that lap came from.

 

[ii_Biggles_ii]

Approached the races tonight taking into account the changes to the penalty system, mixed feelings about it still but I have adapted my driving to suit without lowering myself to the level of a lot of the idiots in the races. I have started to take back the places from people who go for overtakes where its just not on and ram past, I'm now returning the favour at the next corner that I can pass whereas in the past I wouldn't try from as far back. A few weeks ago I would have called unfair driving rather than dirty driving. I found trying to fight back in the corner you can come off worst in the encounter and its deeply satisfying when you return thr favour a few corners later and they get aggressive you getting watch them running off the track or losing time. I don't use this tactics to overtake only on idiots who ram there way through. Thankfully in both race B & C I have still had a few good clean battles which restore my will to keep racing.

I took the advice here and tried the Genesis in both races. I found that in the Gr.4 if you look after the tyres it is consistent and could 5 laps on softs easily, had a few great runs from the back with highest finish 8th, had bee using WRX up to then. In Gr.3 its quite good but I have been trying to use the Supra as I just couldn't get it out of the slow corners in the past without losing the rear-end, the B races have been messy but today I was lucky and just left them to the madness a d picked up the pieces, gained 8 places on the last lap in 1 race and finished 3rd. I know tomorrow could be different but for own I will keep racing.

Thanks guy for the advice you give here as even though I'm playing a long time I have learned much more here

 

[NoStopN]

Your guess is as good as mine as to where that lap came from.

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Hmmm.... I might have to try a new car tonight.

 

[NAXEHT]

Your guess is as good as mine as to where that lap came from.

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Mega lap. Really impressive. Sitting on a 1:36.957 myself at the moment but I know I’m capable of more which is why I’m still hotlapping instead of racing. What do you think are the hardest parts of hotlapping DTS II? For me it’s definitely the last two corners. I’m sure I had a 1:36.6 just some minutes ago that I lost there. The S-curves can be a bit tricky too when pushing for these times but again, it’s really the last two being the most difficult, at least for me.

Given that this goes in reverse the chicane of death isn’t as bad as one might make it out to be. By that point you haven’t built up the pressure knowing you’re on the way to set an immaculate lap, while you definitely are approaching the last two corners.

Edit: in numerical sequence with 1 being the most difficult:

 

[NoStopN]

Mega lap. Really mpressive. Sitting on a 1:37.037 myself at the moment but I know I’m capable of more which is why I’m still hotlapping instead of racing. What do you think are the hardest parts of hotlapping DTS II? For me it’s definitely the last two corners. I’m sure I had a 1:36.6 just some minutes ago that I lost there. The S-curves can be a bit tricky too when pushing for these times but again, it’s really the last two being the most difficult, at least for me.

Given that this goes in reverse the chicane of death isn’t as bad as one might make it out to be. By that point you haven’t built up the pressure knowing you’re on the way to set an immaculate lap, while you definitely are approaching the last two corners.

Edit: in numerical sequence with 1 being the most difficult:

Looking at my Mustang qualifying lap video, I'd say the corner you circled as 2 is the one I have the most difficulty with. That end of lap chicane is easy once you figure it out. Depending on the car (looks like Supra is META), you can run all the way to the left & turn right a little early. Make sure to hook the RF tire on the inside edge of the curb to help turn the car. Otherwise, most cars understeer off track.

I went back to the Race B well & it is working like a charm. Mustang, Seaside II layout. Like shooting fish in a barrel. Avoid the turn 1, lap 1 meme with the pole & everybody else takes care of business for you.

 

[D_Dragline]

So my nemesis is back to SR S and I just drew him in a race C for the first time in a couple of weeks. I start P8 he is P16. I start on softs and run 6 laps. By the time I pit I’m p3 and the racing has been great. I exit the pits to find this flog is going 7 laps just to catch me and is about 1 second in front of me. He then slows down and spend 2 laps deliberately brake checking me and pushing me off. In the end I just quit because there is absolutely no benefit to me continuing under those circumstances.

All this leads me to ask, what the hell are you supposed to do if someone is personally targeting you and “bullying” like this? Apart from simply quitting as soon as I see his name I don’t have any idea how else to handle this without simply ruining my races and making the whole game a farce. It is seriously making me want to walk away from the game entirely.

 

[GT5Power]

Mega lap. Really impressive. Sitting on a 1:36.957 myself at the moment but I know I’m capable of more which is why I’m still hotlapping instead of racing. What do you think are the hardest parts of hotlapping DTS II? For me it’s definitely the last two corners. I’m sure I had a 1:36.6 just some minutes ago that I lost there. The S-curves can be a bit tricky too when pushing for these times but again, it’s really the last two being the most difficult, at least for me.

Given that this goes in reverse the chicane of death isn’t as bad as one might make it out to be. By that point you haven’t built up the pressure knowing you’re on the way to set an immaculate lap, while you definitely are approaching the last two corners.

Edit: in numerical sequence with 1 being the most difficult:

I do agree the death chicane is significantly easier in reverse, you can afford to really send it through there without being afraid of throwing a good lap. The final corners definitely gave me the most trouble but I think that was mostly due to pressure rather than it actually being a difficult section. Other than that the esses, especially the final part, are tricky with the way you have to hit the kerbs to get the maximum pace there. At least there's more than one line so you can have a sort of backup if you screw up. Then the first left hander in S3 can catch you out with the traction on exit and going into the gravel.

So that's nearly half the track Lots of things to string together, DTS laps tend to be a bit far from the optimal so I'm quite happy to be within half a tenth of mine for once

 

[RacingGrandpa]

So my nemesis is back to SR S and I just drew him in a race C for the first time in a couple of weeks. I start P8 he is P16. I start on softs and run 6 laps. By the time I pit I’m p3 and the racing has been great. I exit the pits to find this flog is going 7 laps just to catch me and is about 1 second in front of me. He then slows down and spend 2 laps deliberately brake checking me and pushing me off. In the end I just quit because there is absolutely no benefit to me continuing under those circumstances.

All this leads me to ask, what the hell are you supposed to do if someone is personally targeting you and “bullying” like this? Apart from simply quitting as soon as I see his name I don’t have any idea how else to handle this without simply ruining my races and making the whole game a farce. It is seriously making me want to walk away from the game entirely.

Get a collection of video clips showing him doing this and post it as #mygtmoment.
Or send it to Sony, since reporting people in game does nothing at all

 

[Dave_H_87]

Next week's races:
A: N300 - Lago Maggiore West - 4 laps
B: Gr. 4 - RBR - 5 laps
C: Gr. 3 - Sardegna A - 10 laps (tyre wear x 8) - looks like soft and medium as mandatory again

Feel like we've had a lot of the Red Bull Ring recently but I haven't seen the Nurburgring GP in a daily race in AGES!

 

[ii_Biggles_ii]

Mega lap. Really impressive. Sitting on a 1:36.957 myself at the moment but I know I’m capable of more which is why I’m still hotlapping instead of racing. What do you think are the hardest parts of hotlapping DTS II? For me it’s definitely the last two corners. I’m sure I had a 1:36.6 just some minutes ago that I lost there. The S-curves can be a bit tricky too when pushing for these times but again, it’s really the last two being the most difficult, at least for me.

Given that this goes in reverse the chicane of death isn’t as bad as one might make it out to be. By that point you haven’t built up the pressure knowing you’re on the way to set an immaculate lap, while you definitely are approaching the last two corners.

Edit: in numerical sequence with 1 being the most difficult:

Somehow when you get caught up worrying about the chicane the corners you highlighted get overlooked and it is true that there is so much time to be gained at these corners when you get it right.

Looking at my Mustang qualifying lap video, I'd say the corner you circled as 2 is the one I have the most difficulty with. That end of lap chicane is easy once you figure it out. Depending on the car (looks like Supra is META), you can run all the way to the left & turn right a little early. Make sure to hook the RF tire on the inside edge of the curb to help turn the car. Otherwise, most cars understeer off track.

I went back to the Race B well & it is working like a charm. Mustang, Seaside II layout. Like shooting fish in a barrel. Avoid the turn 1, lap 1 meme with the pole & everybody else takes care of business for you.

I have pretty much nailed this corner (2) now after running wide here so many times in the past, so many run wide on the exit when they try to take it on full throttle when all you need is a slight lift if your not exactly on the right line. My biggest problem with the chicane has always been when following someone as you never know how much they will brake. Still clip it the odd time in both directions as always trying to push it.