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The line between SR up and SR down is no thicker than a razor's edge. I hold the line. Race B at Tsundere. My effort for putting in what I thought was a good time got me P14. The only reason it wasn't P15 (last place) was because the DR/B in p15 didn't qualify. Nearly half the grid was DR/B, with a sad little alien all by himself on P1. There were a few DR/Cs and 3 DR/Ds. :rolleyes:

Auto drive drops us on the final corner exit and it's on like Donkey Kong! The usual mad dash for crash at the first corner and it was messy. The DR/B behind me did what DR/Bs typically do and ploughed up the inside, then slowed to a snails pace, pushing me out in the process. The gift that keeps on giving, an orange SR and a 2s penalty :crazy:. I can't take that line without going too wide on the exit. Maybe with the RSR. I can steer with the throttle. RSR's seemed to be the weapon of choice for my race. I went with the 4C because it's well suited to short tracks.

I had the little 4C fanging round the track, but it was tight with cars everywhere. I managed to keep things mostly on the track, but getting pushed off ruined a chance for a clean race bonus. Finally crossed the line with a dunce cap flashing, but I was more than 2s ahead of the guy behind. And the finish?

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The end was full of surprises. On Race B's it's hard to gain SR once you get that orange SR, but somehow I managed to go up 2. I hadn't looked at the screen when the race was done, just exited. When I looked at my stats I was expecting DR to drop from being in the bottom half. All those Bs and Cs worked to my advantage in this case, and discovered it went UP with a 2k bonus :eek:. Welcome to DR/C, we hope you enjoy your visit :D.
 
Race C was not kind to me. It was less like a race and more like a derby. I put in some laps but they were slowish. I knew I was good for another second, but I ran out of time. P14 for me. The grid was made up of mostly DR/Bs with an alien and a few Cs.

The race starts and I get to the first corner, on the inside, and already I have people turning into me. For the whole race I had two cars that kept diving up the inside and pushing me wide. I was already turning and committed to the corner when they come bolting in, but I still got orange SRs :grumpy:. These same two had a ramfest with each other up ahead, they would end up behind me, then pull the same crap. I really need to get my SR up so I can avoid these matchups :dunce:. I crossed P12.

Didn't loose much Dr, but my SR took a hit. I decided to take a chance on Race A at the back. That was a mistake. A mistake which I repeated. The first race was dirty, and just went down hill from there with people weaving all over the place like they were on acid, crashing into people and blocking. My SR went down to A and DR is close to dropping me back to D. I should have known better than to race any form of Tokyo :scared:.

I hope tomorrow brings a better race day :boggled:.
 
The Audi is amazingly planted, so nice to drive around Kyoto :) I think I found what I'm going with for the Gr.3 Nations Cup race...
Won my 69th (noice:D) race (thanks to the 5th guy on the EMEA leaderboard bottling it) and climbed back from 14th to 6th in the top lobby the race immediately after. These One Makes with Gr.4/3 cars are always very enjoyable
 
I went to the Tokyo Crashway ( I do love that track ) and then realized I was on my primary account, the one I give some figs about DR/SR. The first lap was to be expected, but I got away from the chaos clean. End of lap 2 I pushed too hard trying to get into second place, hit the wall, got the flashing red loser sign above my car. I didn't quite run the penalties down before the finish line. Even though I came in 4th I expected bad things to happen. Lucky me though, I lost only 2 SR points but gained 220 DR points.

Other than the maelstrom that accompanies lap one, the rest of the race went pretty well and people were minding their manners. ;)
 
For today's Daily Race where it's a one make with the VW Golf @ Tokyo Expressway East, how're people getting anything under 2:35:5xx?

My best is around 2:35:8xx, and I can't seem to get much lower. Here's what I've tried:

-Shifting exactly at the speed it's recommended I change gears for best torque.
-Turning TCS off. This one seems to have had the most impact.
-Turning ABS to "weak".
-Messing around with the brake balance - I can't see much impact here, though. I would imagine that putting more brake bias towards the front would have the most impact, because braking in general would shift weight towards the front, and especially since I would imagine that there's a near-zero risk of snap oversteer since the rear wheels are not being driven in the case of the Golf.
 
For today's Daily Race where it's a one make with the VW Golf @ Tokyo Expressway East, how're people getting anything under 2:35:5xx?

My best is around 2:35:8xx, and I can't seem to get much lower. Here's what I've tried:

-Shifting exactly at the speed it's recommended I change gears for best torque.
-Turning TCS off. This one seems to have had the most impact.
-Turning ABS to "weak".
-Messing around with the brake balance - I can't see much impact here, though. I would imagine that putting more brake bias towards the front would have the most impact, because braking in general would shift weight towards the front, and especially since I would imagine that there's a near-zero risk of snap oversteer since the rear wheels are not being driven in the case of the Golf.

ABS: default is better, and you definitely want a rearward brake balance, like +3 or something.
 
ABS: default is better, and you definitely want a rearward brake balance, like +3 or something.

I see. Is leaving ABS on default a good idea in general, or just in this case?

As for rearward brake balance, why is that? Won't the rear wheels have less pressure on the ground when the weight shifts forward under braking? And how would I generally determine an ideal brake balance?

I mean, if you're saying a FF car like the Golf is best with a rear bias, I'd imagine an FR car would work best with +3 front, and an MR car with maybe +4 or +5 towards the front since the engine is further back, in addition to the rear wheels driving that sort of car. This is all just me taking shot in the dark, of course.
 
I see. Is leaving ABS on default a good idea in general, or just in this case?

As for rearward brake balance, why is that? Won't the rear wheels have less pressure on the ground when the weight shifts forward under braking? And how would I generally determine an ideal brake balance?

I mean, if you're saying a FF car like the Golf is best with a rear bias, I'd imagine an FR car would work best with +3 front, and an MR car with maybe +4 or +5 towards the front since the engine is further back, in addition to the rear wheels driving that sort of car. This is all just me taking shot in the dark, of course.

From my understanding of ABS discussion in GTS, it doesn't completely prevent lockup. Thus, "weak" ABS will not only increase your brake distance, but also decrease your turning ability under braking. This is why if you load up any #1 qualifying replay, you can tell by their HUD icon that ABS is on Default. This is always the case, because Default suffers less locking.

Brake Balance expands on this. The more power you send to the front (negative brake bakance) the more lock you will experience. This is why more than a few aliens have said they run rearward brake balance. I believe it to have slip angle benefits too, especially in a FF application. I typically run +3 on road cars.

Again, I'm basically just regurgitating information Ive read on here and other places, and these settings seem great to me.
 
Watch the guy behind me.



He appears with a penalty, doesn't brake, wallrides round the corner, and gains 2 places, and loses his penalty. Something is not quite right there...


Although we both finished ahead of him.
 
This is why if you load up any #1 qualifying replay, you can tell by their HUD icon that ABS is on Default. This is always the case, because Default suffers less locking.

I'd examine the replays for this race if I could, but it appears that I can't - I think it's that nobody in the top 10 made their replays available. Eh, I suppose I can find solace in the fact that I'm only around 0:00:3xx off from the 10th-best guy...

Brake Balance expands on this. The more power you send to the front (negative brake bakance) the more lock you will experience. This is why more than a few aliens have said they run rearward brake balance. I believe it to have slip angle benefits too, especially in a FF application.

But one can't modify that in a Sport Mode race, can they? I mean, at least as far as I'm aware...

I typically run +3 on road cars.
Again, I'm basically just regurgitating information Ive read on here and other places, and these settings seem great to me.

But what about FR and MR cars? Or are you saying that regardless of the road car, +3 forward is usually good?

And I'm not really sure if I've personally experienced lock-up that much, since I usually slowly increase brake input. Are you saying that with +3 forward brake bias, I can be a bit faster with how much I depress the brake button?

Also, how do I avoid understeer with a FF car? Trail braking? Maybe just completing my braking before turning rather than trying to do so during? It does sometimes feel like pressing the throttle helps to decrease my turn radius, but I think that's just what FF cars do as part of their nature.

EDIT: For that last one, I think I've been figuring it out by using left-foot braking (or at least the DualShock 4 equivalent of it) without knowing that this was both a solution and what I was doing.
 
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Watch the guy behind me.



He appears with a penalty, doesn't brake, wallrides round the corner, and gains 2 places, and loses his penalty. Something is not quite right there...


Although we both finished ahead of him.

I have to admit it looks pretty funny. I'm imagining someone in real life doing that and just roaring in a maniacal laugh.
 
But one can't modify that in a Sport Mode race, can they? I mean, at least as far as I'm aware...

You can, but only with the MFD.

But what about FR and MR cars? Or are you saying that regardless of the road car, +3 forward is usually good?

And I'm not really sure if I've personally experienced lock-up that much, since I usually slowly increase brake input. Are you saying that with +3 forward brake bias, I can be a bit faster with how much I depress the brake button?

+3 is my starting point for every car. Race cars I go up to +5 most of the time. But Trail braking isn't my strongest suit, so sometimes I take it down to +3, and in some instances I leave it at 0 (off the top of my head, the 911 GT3 RS) I also reduce it if I'm trying to conserve tires on a Race C. Last weekend at Le Mans I was running +3 on the Viper and 919 because I wasn't doing tire changes.

Remember, +3 is *rearward* so to answer your question, yes. Although I'm sure by an immeasurable difference.

Also, how do I avoid understeer with a FF car? Trail braking? Maybe just completing my braking before turning rather than trying to do so during? It does sometimes feel like pressing the throttle helps to decrease my turn radius, but I think that's just what FF cars do as part of their nature.

Can't feign expertise on this one, but as you say, being .03 off of top10 means you're doing something right.
 
You can, but only with the MFD.

Ah, I was thinking of the slip angle when asking before, not the brake balance. Sorry I didn't clarify. Unless you can somehow change that, too. (What is the slip angle, anyway?)

+3 is my starting point for every car. Race cars I go up to +5 most of the time. But Trail braking isn't my strongest suit, so sometimes I take it down to +3, and in some instances I leave it at 0 (off the top of my head, the 911 GT3 RS) I also reduce it if I'm trying to conserve tires on a Race C. Last weekend at Le Mans I was running +3 on the Viper and 919 because I wasn't doing tire changes.

Remember, +3 is *rearward* so to answer your question, yes. Although I'm sure by an immeasurable difference.

So here's my understanding of your reply with some questions:
-I ought to use +3 rearward as a baseline for almost all cars, and increase it to +4/+5 in a race car, depending on the race car in question, and at my own discretion.
-An unchanged setting of 0 seems to be ideal for cars with engines not in the front, like the 911 GT3 RS - but what about cars that don't have their engine in front, like the Ferrari 458 or the 2nd-gen Toyota MR2? Maybe +1/+2 could be better since the 911 GT3 is RR, while those other two are MR?
-If I want to potentially save tires, I shouldn't use a setting higher than +3.

Can't feign expertise on this one, but as you say, being .03 off of top10 means you're doing something right.

IIRC, I was ~0:00:3xx off from entering the top ten, not 0:00:03x.
 
Watch the guy behind me.He appears with a penalty, doesn't brake, wallrides round the corner, and gains 2 places, and loses his penalty. Something is not quite right there...

It's an old rally technique typically used in snow. Like drifting, riding the wall scrubs speed, so the penalty reduces. He rode the wall a long time so the penalty was negated. Rubbin is racin! :crazy: For some strange reason, if I try that I get a 1min penalty :lol:. On some of the speedway tracks you can scrape the wall with no penalty if you are coasting, but will get a penalty if braking or accelerating.
 
Ah, I was thinking of the slip angle when asking before, not the brake balance. Sorry I didn't clarify. Unless you can somehow change that, too. (What is the slip angle, anyway?)



So here's my understanding of your reply with some questions:
-I ought to use +3 rearward as a baseline for almost all cars, and increase it to +4/+5 in a race car, depending on the race car in question, and at my own discretion.
-An unchanged setting of 0 seems to be ideal for cars with engines not in the front, like the 911 GT3 RS - but what about cars that don't have their engine in front, like the Ferrari 458 or the 2nd-gen Toyota MR2? Maybe +1/+2 could be better since the 911 GT3 is RR, while those other two are MR?
-If I want to potentially save tires, I shouldn't use a setting higher than +3.



IIRC, I was ~0:00:3xx off from entering the top ten, not 0:00:03x.
I think it's best to test with different cars and tracks as it can vary a lot. I was trying to get into the top 10 on Tsukuba today with the Mitsubishi and going from +3 to +5 seemed to unlock another tenth, but on other tracks I've found it to be better at +3. Depends on the types of entry to the corners on the track. A few examples of what I use from memory:
gr2 NSX 0
gr2 Lexus +3 or +4
gr3 Mitsubishi +3 to +5
gr3 Porsche +1
gr3 Renault +1
gr3 Ferrari 0 or -1
gr3 Lexus +1 or +2
gr4 Lexus 0 or +1
gr4 Mitsubushi +5
gr4 Audi +5
gr1 Peugeot 0
gr1 Porsche +2

It affects that moment you release the brakes and turn in most. Since MR cars already do this well (sometimes too well) rearward often induces oversteer while FR often need it to help them turn in. But as I say it can vary from car to car, the gr4 Lexus will oversteer a lot with rear bias especially on tracks like Bathurst while the gr4 Mitsubishi will not oversteer no matter what you do. Generally the more stable/understeery on entry the more rearward. I think the aim is to allow you to turn in the most without inducing oversteer.
 
The all R8 daily c today was really fun. Lots of excellent close racing. Mostly respectful. The lift off oversteer in the final chicane... claiming at least 3 victims a race lol.

I'm pretty slow in group 3 so I ended up dropping some Dr but man was it worth the really fun racing.
 
I think it's best to test with different cars and tracks as it can vary a lot. I was trying to get into the top 10 on Tsukuba today with the Mitsubishi and going from +3 to +5 seemed to unlock another tenth, but on other tracks I've found it to be better at +3. Depends on the types of entry to the corners on the track. A few examples of what I use from memory:
gr2 NSX 0
gr2 Lexus +3 or +4
gr3 Mitsubishi +3 to +5
gr3 Porsche +1
gr3 Renault +1
gr3 Ferrari 0 or -1
gr3 Lexus +1 or +2
gr4 Lexus 0 or +1
gr4 Mitsubushi +5
gr4 Audi +5
gr1 Peugeot 0
gr1 Porsche +2

It affects that moment you release the brakes and turn in most. Since MR cars already do this well (sometimes too well) rearward often induces oversteer while FR often need it to help them turn in. But as I say it can vary from car to car, the gr4 Lexus will oversteer a lot with rear bias especially on tracks like Bathurst while the gr4 Mitsubishi will not oversteer no matter what you do. Generally the more stable/understeery on entry the more rearward. I think the aim is to allow you to turn in the most without inducing oversteer.
Recently, I've gone to +5 on a lot of cars where I used to do only +1 or +2. While it can be more of a handful, I've been setting a few new personal bests. Ideally, I would change the bias on a corner by corner basis but I can't do that fast enough on my G29.

Now, I do feel that there are differences in settings among the fastest drivers. I recall a few in their videos have -1 or -2 front brake. Doesn't suit me, though.
 
Well, preparing as best I can, for Gr. 4 at la Sarthe today. Short Shifting the NSX at three green lights(out of six), nets me 2 laps of fuel at the finish. Albeit, holding top speed at 251kmh.

Dont know how well Custom Race simulates a Daily Race(imagine that, simulating the simulation). BoP "On". Penalties full. Tyres 8, Fuel 7. Even the front running AI Megane didn't pit.
If people can hold off from getting penalties(yeah right), should be a fuel conservation war.

Also, on that note, the Megane Trophy having high downforce, might not be a factor if most people are shortshifting, Then again, players at the back, may have to pit due to having a bit longer to travel. It'll be an interesting one.
 
Never happened before :O ... 2 races 2 victories.... without qualification time ..:dopey: @ Tokyo :).

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At the end, on six races three victories ... :):):) all starting from the back...:dopey:

the best 4
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others results were 5th (+7 position) and in the only race with qualification time i started 2nd and arrived 4th after ~10 sec of penalty losing 8 positions at the beginning ...

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The Honda Civic on race hard tyres. :lol: :rolleyes:

Could've at least been something a bit more sporty, or a Gr.X. meh!
 
Races C are great this week-end but my step parents come to visit us tomorrow until sunday evening so I can't race...
 
16th to 8th no stop. I was 6th until a Megane RS nudged me from the rear at the end of Hunandares(whatever). The Trophy's have nothing. I was holding speed at 237-251 kmh and pulling away. Even pulled away from a Cayman. Don't know what they set fuel to, but I was Full Power and shortshifting.

Lap 2, 1.8 laps remaining and floored it for the rest of the race. I see the Veyrons were pitting and using speed to get back to the front. As for penalties, I got two @0.759 and 0.9xx seconds. They bled off quickly, while lightly accelerating(thought that a bit odd).
 
Yep. Tortoise and bear.
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Plus, I think the C7 and Jag ran out of fuel.

Edit: What a race!
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Went from 4th to first by T1. Lost first and got it back by T3. Lost first again at the final hairpin. Got it back with late braking at T1. Pulled Clean and Fastest laps.

The CTR is awesome on RH. Boost just rockets the car in 3rd. Off throttle is itsc best trick. Just tucks right in and just a bit of the rear moves so little, it helps in the esses.
Love my Hondas.
 
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Quick question regarding Grp4 race today - when the first leaderboard top 10 times appeared it was all Veyron but I noticed
a sneaky Megane Trophy had appeared in the top 10.

My time with the Veyron was a 4:22, given I'm DR C do you think it's currently good enough for a top 5 start or I should work
on my time more?
 
Quick question regarding Grp4 race today - when the first leaderboard top 10 times appeared it was all Veyron but I noticed
a sneaky Megane Trophy had appeared in the top 10.

My time with the Veyron was a 4:22, given I'm DR C do you think it's currently good enough for a top 5 start or I should work
on my time more?
You're around 25th with DR C compared to other C guys. And 4.22 is a time from 211th to 285th in Europe.
You should aim for a 4.20 to have a good place on the starting grid 👍
 
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