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Sven Jurgens
NGP is 5 sectors x 9 laps, 45 * 0.5 = 22.5 SR which could be right. daily C is often between 20 and 25 points.
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No, because of having massive SR/DR drop before and therefore having to raise it in order to do FIA with SR 99 lobbys, I did many races yesterday with several poles and wins in Nürb and I got always only 9 SR raise.

Today I made 1 race at Interlagos (I don't know why), started from 5th, and was shot out from a low DR ranked driver who came like a torpedo from back grid in start in turn1.

I'm starting to think raising daylie race intervals to once an hour but raise the distance (but not to much) would be better for matchmaking.

Because I think it would be more players at each time slot.

The way how it is now leads only to massive frustration. If your DR is higher you have very less to gain but much to lose.

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Maybe the idea from PD that evetybody can join an online race at any time is not correct. Perhaps some kind of restricting should brought in, you have to earn the right to race against others. How this could be done? I don't know, but for sure there is a way.

Leads this to less players? Pethaps yes, perhaps no, but I rather race only 2 good races a day as 10 races with garbage
 
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Sven Jurgens
Sadly there is no such tool, however you can sort of work it out in advance.

For a weekly C race the max per race is usually about twice the nr of laps, I'm guessing about 18 for NGP.
Daily A and B are usually capped at 4 and 5, yet it seems A is 5 points this week, while I got 7 points for a contact free clean race at Interlagos.

Actually it seems based on the nr of sectors. 0.25 SR per clean sector in daily A and B, 0.5 SR per clean sector in a daily C.
Big Willow is 4 sectors x 5 laps, 20 * 0.25 = 5 SR
Interlagos is 5 sectors x 5 laps, 25 * 0.25 = 6.25 SR rounded up for a clean race?
NGP is 5 sectors x 9 laps, 45 * 0.5 = 22.5 SR which could be right. daily C is often between 20 and 25 points.
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Thanks for that, will help with future racing.

I am making progress, I recovered 31 SR points yesterday from doing two FIA races and several Race A so
if I keep this progress I should get back to my original SR tally from Wednesday by the end of today.

Hopefully Race C will be a bit better today and help improve it further.
 
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Im still not experiencing the SR difficulties that are being reported?

Expect the worst of people, boss your peice of tarmarc, avoid at all costs defending your position on the outside line unless you know 100% your competitor races clean, likewise all over taking should be done in the inside line.
 
rono_thomas
Thought I’d actually try and get it representative. Suffering at the moment with a broken accelerator spring, I have an off and on pedal which is killing my laptime in corners, awaiting a delivery of new spring.

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I feel your pain, during the beta, I had a g29 pedal that was intermittent with the gas pedal until I got it replaced
 
suprajef
You said any contact, the guy that hit someone into me never got a penalty, I guess I will never know if he got a clean race because he is just pushing everyone off the track every race
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I wasnt talking about what counts as a clean race or not i was talking about how SR works.
 
rono_thomas
Thought I’d actually try and get it representative. Suffering at the moment with a broken accelerator spring, I have an off and on pedal which is killing my laptime in corners, awaiting a delivery of new spring.

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suprajef
I feel your pain, during the beta, I had a g29 pedal that was intermittent with the gas pedal until I got it replaced
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rono_thomas
Its a great teacher of braking and lines.
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Agreed. My braking has never been smoother because I need to be able to brake as efficiently as possible to make up lost time on corner exits with my on/off pedal :D
 
suprajef
You said any contact, the guy that hit someone into me never got a penalty, I guess I will never know if he got a clean race because he is just pushing everyone off the track every race
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He may not have had a *time* penalty, but there are hidden SR penalties. I've had races where I haven't seen a single orange SR or gotten any time penalties, but still lost a couple of SR for contact. In terms of clean race bonus, SR is irrelevant. It's about *track limits*. If you come off the track for whatever reason, even if you don't get a time penalty, you won't get a clean race listed. Conversely, you could smash every car on the track off, and provided *you* stay on the track, you get the bonus. During the cart race at Brands hatch, I made contact with another cart on the final corner. They lost control because of my contact and went off the track. I still got an undeserved clean race bonus.
 
Great race for me today at Interlagos circuit.
Pole with 1:32:5xx
Quick lap on race
And victory always on 1st position during the race
Not bad :)
I'm category B S
 
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3 hours and 100% complete and my ****ing highlights video FAILS :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

Guess I’ll try uploading it from my pc... :mad:

Nope can’t do that either because it just gives me endless errors (after 10mins of trying)
 
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D-Max
It's not my brake balance, it's happening even in t3 when you should be accelerating. I spend most of that turn off throttle to ensure I get round. Fastest lap of 1:36 and that is me on the limits. I'll try again later see if things improve. I normally lap high 31's at interlagos on gr3 dailies so i know i'm not just being crap lol
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It's the new tire model. It took the right car/track combo for me to really notice it, but I've always had pretty decent times (for me) at Interlagos with the Gr.3 Lancer. I remember getting 1:31.5 before in Time trial and posting a 1:32.0 qualy time with tire wear in one of my FIA races a couple updates back. I've done a ton of races at Interlagos this week, first time racing there since the tire update. Turns out, I now suck with the Lancer and the best time I was able to make was a 1:33.0 in the Corvette. Even the top 10 guys in the Americas region are only at 1:31.xx when before I think they were under 1:30.0. It was frustrating at first, but I think after a few days of racing there I got used to it again and have set a comparable pace relative to other drivers.
 
Krypton78
No, because of having massive SR/DR drop before and therefore having to raise it in order to do FIA with SR 99 lobbys, I did many races yesterday with several poles and wins in Nürb and I got always only 9 SR raise.

Today I made 1 race at Interlagos (I don't know why), started from 5th, and was shot out from a low DR ranked driver who came like a torpedo from back grid in start in turn1.

I'm starting to think raising daylie race intervals to once an hour but raise the distance (but not to much) would be better for matchmaking.

Because I think it would be more players at each time slot.

The way how it is now leads only to massive frustration. If your DR is higher you have very less to gain but much to lose.

Edit:
Maybe the idea from PD that evetybody can join an online race at any time is not correct. Perhaps some kind of restricting should brought in, you have to earn the right to race against others. How this could be done? I don't know, but for sure there is a way.

Leads this to less players? Pethaps yes, perhaps no, but I rather race only 2 good races a day as 10 races with garbage
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Perhaps PD reduced race C SR finally? Then it's only 0.2 SR per clean sector of NGP this week. So it's more efficient to raise SR with the daily B this week, 21 SR to be gained per hour vs 18 (or 15 for the daily A)

To restrict 'garbage' players from returning to SR.S all the time PD needs to look at SR gains/losses over time instead of the 1-99 scale. I can have 20 blue races in a row and drop to SR.B in one bad race getting stuck in a pinball accident. While someone whose SR yoyos all the time can get back to SR.S with a couple of poles and easy wins out front to knock people out of the way again when he loses 1st.

Only one race per hour is a bad idea. Are FIA races any cleaner? There's only 5 a day of them when they're on. I never play FIA races anymore, too much waiting involved for one race.
 
rono_thomas
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Im still not experiencing the SR difficulties that are being reported?

Expect the worst of people, boss your peice of tarmarc, avoid at all costs defending your position on the outside line unless you know 100% your competitor races clean, likewise all over taking should be done in the inside line.
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Dude you've done 76 races and I'm assuming the first 15 of those were a total walkover pole to finish. Don't know why you're acting like an authority to anything when people like Sven have done and documented literally thousands of races.
 
Alpha Cipher
I'm guessing from the name. Hopefully though that guy is a man of equality like you said- simply an asshat to everyone. My tolerance for sexist/racist asshats are so much lower than simpleton asshats :lol:
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Yes, I have my name on my PSN ID.

I was angry when I made that post. I fully expected to finish last and I'm not new to online gaming idiots, but come on, it was a scumbag move regardless. He was going faster than me and could have me passed me cleanly, there was absolutely no need to do that.

This happened in the Willow BMW race, btw.
 
ARTAsean
Dude you've done 76 races and I'm assuming the first 15 of those were a total walkover pole to finish. Don't know why you're acting like an authority to anything when people like Sven have done and documented literally thousands of races.
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And that makes any difference how? :lol:

Again your making assumptions. Thats twice now. Last time it was I’m not talking to you because I haven’t graduated from B dr.

I may have done only 76 races in sports mode...... Thats the strength of your argument?

I would also like to know where it is that Im acting like an authority? As far as I can read Im presenting an opinion?

Edit: Your argument is always attack the man huh?
 
Racing online without penalty system? Chaos would there be.
Did c a bunch. Used fr car. Sr got nailed hard on my 2nd try in an a plus a b s sr room. Prime time and best drivers I’ve been in a lobby with. Race 1 I was surprised by the aggression in the first sector and ensuing sectors. ******* flatbill wearing maniacs frantically trying to get by in horrible places in awd cars. So race 2 I was like ok it’s on.
1st sector in race 2 was clean for me but there was a mishap right in front of me t1 so I get from 11 to 8. I am in the train of trophy’s and evos and I am like holy ****. I can’t go slow it’s wheel to wheel time. I overtake 8 on main straight and get 7th going into sector 1 lap 2. Clean sector there then I run a little wide on the first left hander in sector 2 because I’m way over my head against these guys in this lead train and get ‘the nudge’ from behind and get spun out off track. If anyone here was involved and knows about it hey what can I say I was in over my head sorry I ran onto the right side of the track instead of being in the middle. If a breached etiquette by that please explain. I got penalized and sr down for getting wide and ushered off and then was behind so a bunch of clean sectors and then get nudged in the slow shicane by 16th place and take a track cut penalty coming out because he pushed just enough to get me all wheels on inside on exit. These guys at that level know what they are doing. So whole race clean sectors except 2 2 sr down penalties and didn’t cross finish line by end boom sr from s to b.
I continued racing c and now back to sr 99. Bled a ton of dr though around 1200-best finish was 5-got good experience though with pit strategy and whatnot-really don’t know anything bout it so took 4-5 tries to learn a bit .Lower than s sr the first sector sucks. S it’s fine.
I’m almost 50 and find that sr s is good racing. All else is crapshoot sometimes good sometimes you get one bar lag guy who thinks he’s the second coming of Senna. I think the system is very good. Most complaints I see online with examples are people trusting others and going wheel to wheel with unknown competitors and doing things that they would never do in a real car like battling in very bad places. My take is treat is like a real car and you should be s in no time. Don’t put your rating in the hands of others. Stop battling for 12 and slowing everyone behind you down with 2and 3 wide and bumping. Love the game so much fun to race real people vs predictable ai.
Have a good day and race but use your head.
 
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Not to argue, but I disagree with some of you folk about the SR. It’s completely whack lol.

Some races, I was getting the “clean race” star at the end of the race, but would have a red SR rating, and checking kudos, I was losing points.

I’d have other races where I definitely got a penalty, either contact or off track, and my SR would increase at the end of the race.

And then there’s the races where I was jumping 20+ points up or down. I literally had one race where I went from 55 down to 21 from one contact, then the next race I went 5th to last to 5th, and went back up to 51 SR. Then the next race, get completely clean race, and only gain 5 points.

My kudos doesn’t show the full detail, but over the last week, I’ve gone from 99 to 41 to 71, then it shows back to 52, 57....but in between that 52 and 57, I was down to 33 and 21 SR after single races, and then would jump back up to the 50s after another single race.

The main thing I can’t figure out is why sometimes I gain/lose 20+ points in a single race, while other times I only gain/lose 1 or 2 points.

http://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=6732576#dr
 
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How's that possible? :eek:

I just lost in 2 races in Interlagos 29 SR while only seeing a 3- sec penalty in the first race? Got- 19 SR for this, and in the second race I had no penalty displayed but I lost -9 ???

I don't understand anything anymore :confused:
 
Krypton78
How's that possible? :eek:

I just lost in 2 races in Interlagos 29 SR while only seeing a 3- sec penalty in the first race? Got- 19 SR for this, and in the second race I had no penalty displayed but I lost -9 ???

I don't understand anything anymore :confused:
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If you’re not Brazillian, you automatically lose SR by racing at Interlagos :P
 
twitcher
If you’re not Brazillian, you automatically lose SR by racing at Interlagos :p
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I would even believe this, if I hadn't had same situation yesterday in Nürburgring, and I'm German.

The penalty system is unpredictable thats the problem. Sometimes for minor things you get totally destroyed, and sometimes somebody divebombs and nothing happens.
 
Krypton78
How's that possible? :eek:

I just lost in 2 races in Interlagos 29 SR while only seeing a 3- sec penalty in the first race? Got- 19 SR for this, and in the second race I had no penalty displayed but I lost -9 ???

I don't understand anything anymore :confused:
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the worst part is that since the most recent update, you don't always see the red/orange SR flag when your SR gets deducted. One of my races at Interlagos a few days ago had a glitched start. I didn't qualify, so was starting in 15th. The entire back half of the pack got held up by one guy whose connection was crappy I guess.....so we all rammed each other and crashed before the start line, it was unavoidable. I didn't see any red SR flags at all, and raced the entire race (5 laps) clean with no contact. After that race I only gained 1 SR point for 5 clean laps of racing just because of the glitch before the race started. Sven Jurgens was in that same race. Since then I've raced a lot there and at NurbGP. I almost always lose some SR at T1-T3 and spend the entire rest of the race trying to make up for it, sometimes only breaking even. Most of the time, I haven't seen a red SR flag at NurbGP T1 either, despite LOTS of contact. It seems like you only see the red SR indicator when the contact is very hard and/or blatant these days.
 
Krypton78
A Thrustmaster T150 right?

Had the same issue. Changed with warranty
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Yup T150, I expect it will happen again sometime in the future, toyed with the idea of upgrading pedals but decided to wait till the end of the year.
 
Four races from last night!!! Holy **** this has been an emotional day trying to get this online!
I think I played about 7 races last night back to back at Inter and only remembered to save about 4 replays!

Not perfect from me, but last nights events... I must say the two dive bombs into t3 where accidental

 
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