"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[sturk0167]

I had a good night of racing last night, doing my usual traffic navigation. I didn't get to win yet had plenty fastest laps thanks to stopping for fresh tires. My DR was quite stable through the week however last night the disconnect monster struck, or rather got thrown back to the race select screen right at the end of warm-up. I always restart the game after each race so it can even happen on the first race. When is PD finally going to fix their connection issues... I also had a race I sat out in the pit due to something coming up, that's quite some DR lost with a bunch of DR.D in the room. Of course this morning my second race, disconnected in lap 1. Early enough to lose SR as well.

Oh well gives me time to post this nice pass. I love it when the 2 cars ahead fight for position. Anticipate, adjust, pass.

2 wide under the bridge, never a good idea. Sure it can work yet you always both lose a lot of time.

I also noticed that the stats have updated. Now I see I did a total of 108 races on Tokyo South inner loop. That's an average of 15 a day, staying at home with a back injury, playing GTS while standing as a distraction. Final tally, 5 wins, average start position of 15.06, average finish position 5.54.

On Monza no chicane I went from 10 races finished to 112, 102 races during that week. 7 wins with average start position of 12.38, average finish position 5.12.

My back is still not better so still racing at odd hours. I don't remember how many races I already did before this weeks Tokyo outer loop. Currently it's at 245 total, 25 wins, average start 10.61, average finish 4.67.

Racing without qualifying is fun!

Did you have a mid-race disconnect last night? I saw you on the starting grid, but you were nowhere to be found at the end. I wondered if you were still there to see me spinning like a top in the middle of the tunnel. It would've been quite a sight. Big cloud of smoke. The whole field went by.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Did you have a mid-race disconnect last night? I saw you on the starting grid, but you were nowhere to be found at the end. I wondered if you were still there to see me spinning like a top in the middle of the tunnel. It would've been quite a sight. Big cloud of smoke. The whole field went by.

That was probably the one where I got thrown out right after warm up completed. I'm 3K DR down from disconnects since yesterday. Racing from the back is very hard to gain DR yet I was back up to 36.3K before the server starting messing with me. DR is quite meaningless anyway, the last full A/S room I saw was on Sunday evening on Monza no chicane. And that was just 1 race out of all the races I have been doing. It does work to my advantage, passing slower drivers, yet they can also slow me down a lot. Unbelievable how many people still brake hard for the fast right hander after the bridge. Never ever follow close behind in lap 1. There are first laps where I'm pretty much coasting through the entire twisty bit, hardly pressing the gas. It's not a fuel saving race!

 

[stpatty]

Just finished 2nd at Race C in the Corvette, 2.6 seconds behind a no-stopping Porsche. If I was a bit more familiar with the car I could've been closer, but it doesn't have the same agility in corners the Huracan has.

 

[bone_tone]

You are just using too much brake. Set brake balance at -2 or -3 and be very light on brake pedal. It will take time but it is really fun when you master this car at this track. I found another second in lap time yesterday after 30 or so laps, down to 1:30.8 but that is still 2 seconds off of top time is US.

I agree, it's great fun! Only 2 corners where braking is needed (T1 and the final left before the start/finish drag), and even then it's just a gentle dab....

I'm at 1:30.5, but keep ending up in races with guys with low 1:29s, and they just disappear into the distance from T1 onwards!

 

[sturk0167]

Unbelievable how many people still brake hard for the fast right hander after the bridge.

It's also surprising how many people can't get the final turn right. That's where I seem to gain the most ground.
Turn 2 is my least consistent.

DR is quite meaningless anyway

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[beegentoo]

Is there anything more vulgar in a game than Christmas music?

Yeah, they could‘ve chosen „Driving home for Christmas“ but they didn‘t. Instead we get Smooth-Jazz versions of Jingle Bells and Silent Night. I always feel the urge of pouring myself a Scotch and light a cigar when navigating the menu.

 

[Rexracer702]

It's also surprising how many people can't get the final turn right. That's where I seem to gain the most ground.
Turn 2 is my least consistent.

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By final turn, I assume the hairpin? I feel like I'm inconsistant there. I watched Sven on replay from last night, and it's always a smooth arc, clip both curbs in 2nd gear with a minimum apex speed of 37-38 mph. I've started dropping to first in the lambo, basically going in deep, getting it turned, then hard on the gas towards the outside curb. I THINK it's helping me break the draft, and can also work in heavy traffic by going outside of the apex, but getting a better drive and more speed to draft by in or exiting the tunnel.
I feel the same way about T2. Either I'm too slow and don't use all the track on exit, or I carry too much or hit the apex too early, and have to back out or hit the wall.

 

[sturk0167]

then hard on the gas towards the outside curb

That's why I choose the AWD cars. No need to use a fine touch with the throttle input. 100% pedal to the metal on corner exit.

 

[fastone371]

I agree, it's great fun! Only 2 corners where braking is needed (T1 and the final left before the start/finish drag), and even then it's just a gentle dab....

I'm at 1:30.5, but keep ending up in races with guys with low 1:29s, and they just disappear into the distance from T1 onwards!

Yeah the first sector is where I lose most of my time, its mainly on T1, I just cant get thru there as clean as the guys running 29's. I use just a touch of brake to help the car turn for the left going under the bridge too. I found a great line line thru the left before the straight, I can maintain 106-107 mph thru the turn vs 103 mph and I thought it would really knock my lap time down but its only worth like 2/10ths. Its still a lot of fun trying to get this car on Sport Hards around the track fast.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

@Rexracer702 It took me a while to get T2 figured out. It's an important one to get clear of traffic behind before the bridge and make up time. The last turn is the money maker though, smooth arc, make sure the tires don't squeal while smoothly increasing throttle. I can be 1.5 sec behind before the turn and end up right behind after. And T1 of course, feels so good nailing that on the edge. I see so many people bouncing off the wall trying to follow me through T1. The little slipstream from following a car really widens your turn. Hence when I'm behind someone I always go to the inside to brake out of their slipstream and usually squeeze through on the inside.

Here's a nice example of damned if you do, damned if you don't. A recovery unghosting in front of me with nowhere to go.

Of course the driver coming from behind doesn't have eyes and drives straight into me, 4 sec for me.

I decided to do a no stop that race as I had the draft on lap 4 and lap 5, so might as well keep going.

That's my tire wear right before the finish. Last lap would have been a 2:14, however here I had to brake to scrub the 4 seconds. I had the momentum on 3rd, might have taken the position without the penalty (and definitely without the delay of that hit)

In the end, stop or no stop, same result, 4th place, similar finish time. I'll stick to stopping, more fun as I get to over take the same people twice! Plus last race I beat the fastest lap on the final lap with a 2:08.3, much more fun than a 2:14 to close the race with.

 

[8l23ub]

Hey @Sven Jurgens , I watched someone else's replay on GTS Discovery channel, they were like 'check out the blue lambo starting near the back',
Legend mate 👍

 

[sturk0167]

Do any of you guys regularly play other racing games, like PC or Forza? Do they do daily races? I like the Sport mode racing a lot, but have been wondering if some of the other titles might be really fun too.

What would be some of the perceived pros and cons for someone who has only raced the GT series (except for when I was a kid and spent a ridiculous amount of quarters on Pole Position and Ivan Stewart's Off Road)?

 

[Sven Jurgens]

@sturk0167 I've played many racing games, however GTS has taken over my life.

Dirt Rally has daily challenges, of course it's just time trial.
DriveClub has user made challenges, yet I doubt you'll find many people online nowadays.
Project cars is awful with a controller,.
I haven't played Forza since its third outing, GT has always had better people online imo.
Grid Autosport same thing, destruction derby online.
I haven't played the F1 series in a while either, I like to jump into a race, not go through the whole practice, qualifying etc before the race starts.
Forza Horizon is really fun and should still have plenty people online. No clue how the racing is there though.

GTS nailed the "jump in any time of the day" online racing. I'm not sure if you can find an equivalent.


The weekend is pretty good on Tokyo so far. Lots of fast people are on and I seem to be stuck on getting 6th and 7th place finishes, which is still 10 positions up, plenty fun. My DR is stable so I guess I'm performing as expected. There are some risks to the pit stop strategy though.

Pretty devious move of that car to swerve at the last second. The car drafting him did not pay attention. PD disabled the yellow flag here for pit exits, understandable as overtaking is common through the tunnel. Why not add a warning light or something to indicate a car is entering the track. Why is there no proper on ramp! Whiplash ouch.

Penalties are so inconsistent. Get rammed into a wall, 1 sec for the trouble maker.
Small contact that's nothing more than a harmless racing incident, 3 sec.

His mirror must have clipped the inside wall to trigger the penalty after contact.
It was only -1 SR after the race. Still looks bad, red S, red dot, bad boy.

I love racing through traffic!

How to out draft the bunch.

 

[the_boy]

I have 10 wins so far in the Tesla, starting to love that car more now. A bakers dozen more wins to reach 100

 

[sturk0167]

GTS nailed the "jump in any time of the day" online racing.

That's the best part of GTS. Thanks for the input. It sounds like you've dabbled in just about everything. I think I won't bother with others.
I'm just hoping PD decides to add a race that changes daily.

 

[ScottPuss20]

I finally got back to these weekly races, and went for the Group 4 race on Tokyo Expressway. I chose the GT by Citroen Group as I've won in it on the same track before. The first race I did was brilliant, even though I didn't stop for tyres. I was sitting in third after being overtaken by two Lamborghinis, but there was contact and I went through to reclaim first. But I had another problem - an Aston Martin had also slipped by and was right on my arse for the last sector. On worn tyres I had to cover the inside line at the hairpin, but that wasn't enough to give me the win. I lost by 0.058 seconds - the closest I got all day to winning. Every other race after that was rubbish.

 

[Rexracer702]

Raced the C race a few times today. Seems I'm liking 4th. Start 8th, finish 4th. Start 3rd, finish 4th. I tried out the Aston Martin for the first time. Did 6 laps in timed practice at Tokyo. First lap(ever) was a 10.8, then 3 9's then an 8.6. I like this car. I entered a race (after 6 laps)and in the pre race practice I got almost 3 laps in. The second was a 2:08.256! My best lap ever on this track was the 2:08.206 I put up for Q. (In the lambo) my second best was the 8.6 in the Aston before I entered, now another 8.2. The worse part is I was .25 seconds ahead of my ghost the lap after the 08.256, out of the hairpin with the finish line in sight, and the screen went blank and my race started. Would have been my first 2:07.

Sven, if you're up, you gotta give this one a try. My race didn't go as planned, but I did get through T1 in first (from 3rd). Unfortunately i had a fast lambo that didn't like that I passed him, and he went inside me in 2 and bounced me off the wall. I re-passed him through the tunnel, then he bumped me all the way into T1 and spun me between 1 and 2. When I got facing the right way again I was 15th. I went soft/soft and ended up in 6th at the end, but tried to burn off 9 seconds before the flag, not realizing there was a yellow, so I was over the line in 8th and got 10th. I think this is a bit better on tires than the lambo. Medium no stop wouldnt be a problem, and it might go 7 laps on softs. On L4 when i pitted the left front was maybe just over 1/4 red
This car is the easiest to go fast in (here) that I've tried. I think it's as fast, or faster than the Cayman through the esses, but it's much easier to be consistant. Top speed is about as good as the lambo, maybe down 1 mph, but I saw 170 with a double draft. The biggest thing for me, especially coming through traffic, is the acceleration. It's 2 to 3mph faster than the lambo through the tunnel at the line, and its easier to carry speed through the esses. I will get my first 2:07 in this car this weekend. You watch!

 

[Pelikan]

I have a new favorite for Race C. The 4C will barely hit 160 at the end of the straight but absolutely destroys the curvy section. You can take the bridge esses almost flat out and the next set of uphill esses at full throttle. Set a PR for total a time of 15:08.5. It’s definitley a challenge to get a victory dealing with slower cars in the curvy section buts a fun, challenging car for sure.

 

[TTM]

Wow, today was such a total dumpster fire at race b.
Lost so much points I might as well have quit.

 

[Invisigoth]

Wow, today was such a total dumpster fire at race b.
Lost so much points I might as well have quit.

The vinager strokes of every week always plays out as a comedy of errors. Tomorrow is another day with shiny happy races .

 

[Cerebral303]

I was lucky enough to have an evening full of respectful close racing at Maggiore last night, best it has been all week. Coincidentally also went from D to C DR, and suddenly cars about to make moves back off when they realise they can't complete it.

 

[speeeyskells]

I have check Kudos Prime for the races this week.

Race A = Le Mans no Chicane N200 car
Race B = Bathust GR4
Race C = Fuji GR2

 

[Cerebral303]

Yeah, there was a discussion about it on the previous page.

 

[Rexracer702]

I have a new favorite for Race C. The 4C will barely hit 160 at the end of the straight but absolutely destroys the curvy section. You can take the bridge esses almost flat out and the next set of uphill esses at full throttle. Set a PR for total a time of 15:08.5. It’s definitley a challenge to get a victory dealing with slower cars in the curvy section buts a fun, challenging car for sure.

I almost tried that one but heard how slow it was. How does it do in the draft, and how are your lap times compared to other cars?

 

[Pelikan]

I almost tried that one but heard how slow it was. How does it do in the draft, and how are your lap times compared to other cars?

It will maintain proximity in the draft if you barely catch it before the straight. If you are close to the leading car it will slowly close the gap but it usually needs most of the straight. However, another perk is the braking. You are able to brake much later than just about any of the other vehicles I tested which allowed me to overtake during the heavy braking zones.

My quali time was a 2:05.9 with the Cayman, and I can pull off a 2:06.5 with the 4C. During race conditions I could consistently run 2:08s or better for laps 2-5 and usually finish in the high 2:09s. It has a great race base granted you don’t have to deal with a lot of traffic on the curvy portion of the track. Many times I have to let up and coast into the bridge esses to plan a pass on the exit. This was my favorite place to overtake because no one expects to be passed on the inside just after exit. This line always set me up for the inside of the next right hander forcing my opponent to adjust their line.

It takes some getting used to but it has led to some extremely close races with plenty of back and forth overtaking.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Raced the C race a few times today. Seems I'm liking 4th. Start 8th, finish 4th. Start 3rd, finish 4th. I tried out the Aston Martin for the first time. Did 6 laps in timed practice at Tokyo. First lap(ever) was a 10.8, then 3 9's then an 8.6. I like this car. I entered a race (after 6 laps)and in the pre race practice I got almost 3 laps in. The second was a 2:08.256! My best lap ever on this track was the 2:08.206 I put up for Q. (In the lambo) my second best was the 8.6 in the Aston before I entered, now another 8.2. The worse part is I was .25 seconds ahead of my ghost the lap after the 08.256, out of the hairpin with the finish line in sight, and the screen went blank and my race started. Would have been my first 2:07.

Sven, if you're up, you gotta give this one a try. My race didn't go as planned, but I did get through T1 in first (from 3rd). Unfortunately i had a fast lambo that didn't like that I passed him, and he went inside me in 2 and bounced me off the wall. I re-passed him through the tunnel, then he bumped me all the way into T1 and spun me between 1 and 2. When I got facing the right way again I was 15th. I went soft/soft and ended up in 6th at the end, but tried to burn off 9 seconds before the flag, not realizing there was a yellow, so I was over the line in 8th and got 10th. I think this is a bit better on tires than the lambo. Medium no stop wouldnt be a problem, and it might go 7 laps on softs. On L4 when i pitted the left front was maybe just over 1/4 red
This car is the easiest to go fast in (here) that I've tried. I think it's as fast, or faster than the Cayman through the esses, but it's much easier to be consistant. Top speed is about as good as the lambo, maybe down 1 mph, but I saw 170 with a double draft. The biggest thing for me, especially coming through traffic, is the acceleration. It's 2 to 3mph faster than the lambo through the tunnel at the line, and its easier to carry speed through the esses. I will get my first 2:07 in this car this weekend. You watch!

How are the brakes? That's where I have the most success while coming from the back. First lap and after the pit I can wait with braking until I hit 80 (past the 100 marker) or brake at 90 and stick to the inside. Same for the final turn, on fresh tires I can brake halfway between 150 and 100 and clip both apexes on the inside. Extra speed through the esses won't matter as I'm usually stuck behind traffic before the last hairpin. A little bit extra acceleration would help to catch another position before the finish. The lambo doesn't catch up until after the line.

I'll give it a try later. Might be SR suicide on Sunday afternoon though lol. I did a few races this morning, with SR.B in the room it was a mess. I got rammed 4 times and 3 times got a penalty for it, 14 sec total. A faster car would not have helped as I was stuck in traffic. Down to 84 SR in that race, bak to 90 after 3 more. It's so slow to gain SR when people keep bumping you from behind in traffic.

The Cayman on mediums no stop got me close to SR.B. People kept drafting back up on the straight and try to out brake me not knowing their limits. Perhaps the Aston Martin is fast enough not to have that problem. The Huracan certainly is, once passed, stayed passed.

 

[Rexracer702]

How are the brakes? That's where I have the most success while coming from the back. First lap and after the pit I can wait with braking until I hit 80 (past the 100 marker) or brake at 90 and stick to the inside. Same for the final turn, on fresh tires I can brake halfway between 150 and 100 and clip both apexes on the inside. Extra speed through the esses won't matter as I'm usually stuck behind traffic before the last hairpin. A little bit extra acceleration would help to catch another position before the finish. The lambo doesn't catch up until after the line.

I'll give it a try later. Might be SR suicide on Sunday afternoon though lol. I did a few races this morning, with SR.B in the room it was a mess. I got rammed 4 times and 3 times got a penalty for it, 14 sec total. A faster car would not have helped as I was stuck in traffic. Down to 84 SR in that race, bak to 90 after 3 more. It's so slow to gain SR when people keep bumping you from behind in traffic.

The Cayman on mediums no stop got me close to SR.B. People kept drafting back up on the straight and try to out brake me not knowing their limits. Perhaps the Aston Martin is fast enough not to have that problem. The Huracan certainly is, once passed, stayed passed.

Seems good on the brakes to me. As good or better than anything I've tried except the cayman. I made a few passes after the bridge, on the inside coming out of the right. Has the grunt to beat people to the next fast right. Since I'm still working out the hairpin, it also helps me catch the draft. And what you said earlier about the downhill turn 2...another place i was passing...get the drive and get inside (or outside)the fast left. In a later race, on mediums, the front lambo was slowing me through the esses but I couln't risk a pass on worn tires there. (finished second, should have won but a Vette was smashing me and the lambo I was battling. The lambo ended with 19 seconds, vette was 29 last i saw. Guy who won passed me at the line while burning remaining 9 seconds. His fastest lap was a 2:11.6, mine was a 2:09.7 on lap 3 or 4)

 

[Rexracer702]

Sven, Thinking about what you said, you may see the biggest advantage coming in to the hairpin if you trust the brakes. I've always been fast(comparitively) through that last left and runing toward the hairpin. Pretty much always making time there on who is in front of me, even guys that are pulling away at 1 sec+ per lap.

 

[sturk0167]

Did one C race, this morning and realized by about lap 2 that this car/track combo is getting old.

Went to GT League and to the Gr.1 races. Same Tokyo track, but with the Mazda LM55.
Fun stuff! The car will do laps in the 1:30s and hit 240 mph on the straight. The first few laps you realize you have to throw away everything you learned at race C this week. Braking points and turn-ins are so different. If your downforce is set right, in some places you don't need brakes, at all.

It's a fun diversion for those of you that need a break. And, if you care, it pays 220k for 8 laps.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Sven, Thinking about what you said, you may see the biggest advantage coming in to the hairpin if you trust the brakes. I've always been fast(comparitively) through that last left and runing toward the hairpin. Pretty much always making time there on who is in front of me, even guys that are pulling away at 1 sec+ per lap.

Same here with the Huracan. If I'm close enough I can out brake, go through the corner and be close to a second ahead after the hairpin not to get caught on the straight. If I'm a bit further behind I'll brake a little earlier to catch their draft instead of passing. No point passing if the gap is only half a second after the turn. Faster acceleration would help there.

The last couple races the 86 has been winning, no stop, best lap 2:11 while mine was 2:07.8. Problem is, I get delayed a lot in the early stages with the mixed DR. I could pass them in the twisty bit yet with so many people to pass there is bound to be someone that bounces off me or brakes too late. After T2 it works when I take the outside so I'm on the inside to the bridge. After the bridge it's risky, people like to block in the slight right, better wait till after the pit when I'm on fresh tires and theirs are worn. Then I can drive around on the outside.

Once I hit 99 again I'll experiment with the Aston Martin. Better get a margin before trying something new It's kinda rough today.

Update:: Might not happen today. I was back to 93, +2 SR at a time, and just now got bumped into the wall twice again and a car bounces of me from behind at the apex for a penalty for me. Back to 91. The Sunday drivers are out, not a good time to switch cars. I signed up for this starting last, yet I need to know precisely how far I can push the car each lap to stay in SR.S.