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[GOTMAXPOWER]

Where is the dive bombing?

I thought it was a divebomb since I was half in the motorcycle pitlane, totally out of control on the astroturf with zero idea of how I was going to stop for the corner! Your analysis makes it sound a lot better.

I do have a question, hopefully answered by someone way more consistent than I am. When we pit here at Suzuka this week, the in lap and the out lap are in red. I know the in lap is longer than a regular lap, but what about the out lap? Maybe pit position also has an effect? The reason I ask it that my out lap in one of those races was very fast (for me) and I'm trying to figure out if I really did that fast of a lap, or if there was something else involved. I think I saved the replay, so I may check it out later.

I think the outlap is only timed from the exit of the pitlane (which with the timing line at the start of the straight at Suzuka is a few seconds saved), also you have fresh tyres which help.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Ran Suzuka 2 more times last night. Now that I'm back to SR-S, they put me in a room with lots of fast guys. Saw @Pigems in them both...well I saw he was in them, I only actually saw him in the second race. I guess he got punted on T1, L1 and ended up back with the riff raff. I actually hung on to him for a bit, twice. I managed to pull off my classic move, you know, hitting the outside edge when turning into Degner and looping it into the sand. Had a good lap going until that. Way too many mistakes. First race was going well from P12 or 14 start. Worked my way up to 8th before pitting, but ended up dropping back after some offroad excursions, some not my fault, but mostly sloppy driving on my part. I find this car, track combo unforgiving. Every time I feel like I'm in a rhythm and start to make some time, I get upset by a curb or catch an edge. Best lap in the race was a 53 flat. It's tough with a room like these. Seems like the top 5 or so get away and have a good race, but there's a whole group in the middle that get caught up in a clump and slow you, and each other, down. Throw in some people that block after they make an error, and you end up with lots of yellow flags. Since everyone (almost) is in the same car, it's very hard to pass if someone protects the inside and stays on the racing line. @Sven Jurgens doesn't seem to have a problem, but he's his own kind of alien.

I do have a question, hopefully answered by someone way more consistent than I am. When we pit here at Suzuka this week, the in lap and the out lap are in red. I know the in lap is longer than a regular lap, but what about the out lap? Maybe pit position also has an effect? The reason I ask it that my out lap in one of those races was very fast (for me) and I'm trying to figure out if I really did that fast of a lap, or if there was something else involved. I think I saved the replay, so I may check it out later.

Out lap is usually shorter, The timer doesn't start going until you're at speed exiting the pit. Passing blockers is always hard, best to feign a move and switch to the other side. Yet often I have to wait until they mess up, which they usually do while concentrating too much on what happens behind. Or my favorite, have another impatient car punt the blocker out of the way

 

[VolkswagenX]

That's serious

That SR drop is easy. Get rammed into a wall, get a five second penatly, get rammed again and when trying to get going again you get a penalty for blocking, ram wall again etc..

@VolkswagenX

I drive a slammed Mk2 Jetta Coupe Westie 12v VR6 swap & custom turbo set up on 20 pounds of Boost. 465whp

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Look-a-like you got a mk2 on bags Nice!

Thats awesome! And that power

The car in my in my profile picture is my old car and it was not on bags I drove it daily and it drove better than you would expect. Sadly, it's the only pic I can find of that car. I think that picture is from 2009.. Had to sell that car (sold it in parts) due to financial problems. After all these years I finally have a new project in the garage. It's a 1990 MK2 1.3. Saving up money now for a paintjob and engine swap (G60, VR6 of 1.8t.. not sure yet).

 

[Sven Jurgens]

At first I thought it was exaggerating, getting SR Down for taking a corner without contact. Well, just happened to me. However after analyzing the video, the lagging car behind me touched me once, boosting my speed by less than 2%. Enough for SR Down.

It's not easy to keep a clean streak going...

 

[Rexracer702]

... Yet often I have to wait until they mess up, which they usually do while concentrating too much on what happens behind.

unfortunately, that might be me!

Or my favorite, have another impatient car punt the blocker out of the way

That seems to be working for me at Interlagos this week!

 

[Pelikan]

Under these criteria:

Rally Tracks excluded.
N100 - N1000 can be used as a single option.
Gr.B, Gr.1 - Gr.4 can be used as a single option.
Any N Class Car or Gr. X car can be used for a One Make.

We are looking at 10,919 possible unique combinations. At 3 races per week, we have the opportunity to compete in 156 unique races per year. So, in a nutshell we could have 3 unique races each week for the next 70 years before having to repeat a combination.

I posted this in the Daily Race Wishlist thread earlier this week and wanted to share it here because its extraordinary. Via quick and rough math, there are almost 11,000 unique combinations for Daily Races. I'm betting we have seen less than 150 unique combinations since launch.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I posted this in the Daily Race Wishlist thread earlier this week and wanted to share it here because its extraordinary. Via quick and rough math, there are almost 11,000 unique combinations for Daily Races. I'm betting we have seen less than 150 unique combinations since launch.

There were actually 161 unique combinations in the dailies between the time @jasguer's site started tracking (Februari) and the change to weeklies (when it went down). Those group all A,B,C races and Nxxx together, no separate one makes listed. N700, N900 and N1000 have never been in daily races. N800 only once on Monza (a disaster). GR.B only 4 times.

With a new track and or variations added every month, weekly races will never catch up.

The combinations @jasguer collected the most data for (thus probably appeared the most often / most popular)
1. Monza GR.4 206K entries.
2. Dragon trail - Seaside GR.3 187k entries
3. Brand's hatch GR.4 171k entries
4. Kyoto - Yamagiwa GR.3 150k entries
5. Brand's hatch GR.3 144k entries

The race with the least recorded entries was
Tokyo central inner loop N200 324 entries.

 

[Groundfish]

Well, a nice cup or 3 of Kauai coffee coconut caramel crunch and let’s go in at Interlagos! Started sixth, fast room, received pressure lap one but 1-5 were getting away just a bit. BMW tried to hang with the vette on exit of that last uphill left and went sideways! MUHAHAHA lol. I enjoy that turn. Pulled out of draft on the straight and away and got the clean race for 2 in a row.
Sr99.
Got a bit lower qual lap in at Suzuka, but I’m still a second off @Pigems. The thing is in race at least to me the car is different. You have to deal with tire wear and the draft. I ran 53.2 3 consecutive laps in race last night and the final 2 were 54.1 and 54.2 in a 3 car pack.
Got the bonus. That was the one where I was accidentally punted in the hairpin. (Spot was immediately given back THANKS) Finished sixth.
Suzuka and Inter have been fun and kind to me this week, but I may be done now, and next week looks wonky.

 

[Tappajakoala]

I just played first ever GT Sport online event at Fuji. Still getting used on driving physics and I haven't even bother trying the game with wheel yet.
Qualified 5th and raced as fifth - Though latter after drivers front of me got penalties put in use at chequered flag.

Race event was quite clean and no arseholes around. I slightly nudged on fellow drivers and some nudged me and one even hit slightly to my rear bumber. No big deal. I didn't got penalties but some of race rates for me was red B I have zero clue what that even means.

 

[Groundfish]

So, I did a few more q laps. For me this pace ended up me facing backwards.
No way could I do in race.
Darn you Pigems! You’re fast!

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I just played first ever GT Sport online event at Fuji. Still getting used on driving physics and I haven't even bother trying the game with wheel yet.
Qualified 5th and raced as fifth - Though latter after drivers front of me got penalties put in use at chequered flag.

Race event was quite clean and no arseholes around. I slightly nudged on fellow drivers and some nudged me and one even hit slightly to my rear bumber. No big deal. I didn't got penalties but some of race rates for me was red B I have zero clue what that even means.

You got the red B yo

It's your sportmanship rating which has very little to do with sportmanship...
The rating goes from E (1-9) D (10-19) C (20-39) B (40-64) A (65-79) to S (80-99). You start at B (50).

You gain points for each 'clean' sector signified by the green SR up arrow when getting the sector time split on screen. Depending on your SR (sportmanship rating) each race can earn you a maximum number of points for collecting all the green SR up arrows. At the highest SR level (S) it's usually 5 to 7 points max for daily A and B and 12 to 20 for the daily C depending on the track and number of laps. At lower ratings this point total goes up. You earn points for staying on track.

However, every time you make contact with another car you earn negative points. A contact resulting in an orange SR Down arrow on screen is -5 points. A contact without the arrow is -2 or -3 points. A contact for which you get a time penalty can be -10 points. (Time penalties for short cuts, going outside track limits or hitting a wall do not cost SR, but will lose you the SR up arrow for that sector) These values are at max SR, you get more forgiveness at lower ranks of SR and DR.

At the end of the race you either get a blue letter (SR goes up), white letter (no change) or red letter (SR goes down) SR is the primary factor for matchmaking. If you want to race with clean drivers you want to get it up to SR.S where the least contacts occur.
You can track your SR here https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=search

 

[Tappajakoala]

Thanks Sven Jurgens,

I didn't know I drove dirty...
I did check that link and my score from one and only race i've done was 48 points from 99.
I did drive event with default setting BMW M4 GR4 with one of two cars I've won through license tests and challenges.
So I admid I did overshot few corners due not used on that specific car but I in my opinion drove very fairly. Left room inside overtakings, kept room to front and behind when braking, not blocking etc. Still the game thinks I was all over the place for worth of 48/99.

Edit: To add, I always race from dashboard view so depending on car, visibility migh vary and therefore contacts in blind spot very plausible.

 

[GT5Power]

Thanks Sven Jurgens,

I didn't know I drove dirty...
I did check that link and my score from one and only race i've done was 48 points from 99.
I did drive event with default setting BMW M4 GR4 with one of two cars I've won through license tests and challenges.
So I admid I did overshot few corners due not used on that specific car but I in my opinion drove very fairly. Left room inside overtakings, kept room to front and behind when braking, not blocking etc. Still the game thinks I was all over the place for worth of 48/99.

Edit: To add, I always race from dashboard view so depending on car, visibility migh vary and therefore contacts in blind spot very plausible.

I think you've misunderstood the SR system. The game didn't rate your driving in that particular race with a 48/99. Assuming that it was your first race and you started at 50, the game judged your driving in such a manner as to warrant a 2 point deduction. Your SR is carried between races and each race can increase it, reduce it or keep it constant depending on how you drove that race (contact, shortcuts etc.)

 

[Tappajakoala]

GT5Power,

I didn't expect 90/99 and as Sven and you told it's as default 50 from scratch I understood very well. However I wasn't maxverstappening in race event but got punished by two points.

 

[K3Tuning]

@Sven Jurgens Thanks for the helpful useful info

 

[kjeldsen]

GT5Power,

I didn't expect 90/99 and as Sven and you told it's as default 50 from scratch I understood very well. However I wasn't maxverstappening in race event but got punished by two points.

Read this: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...ng-behaviour-how-gts-should-be-played.375408/
follow the guidelines and you should be in the clean. You will find plenty of posters here that make all kinds of claims about how they are clean but in reality and in replay they are not. Be the racer you want to race against and help make the game a better place to be.

And when someone claims that "nudging" and "small contacts" are part racing, and complain about how a little wall contact does not hurt anyone, tell them they are wrong:

HAPPY RACING!

 

[O604]

I am getting so outclassed at Fuji today. Just got overtaken on the last turn on my last race. I'm like, that's my turn, I don't get passed on that turn, I pass people on that turn, grrrr.....

One race pole sitter was GT Academy 2013. Just before the race starts he says "I'm a beginner". Funny. Beginner has a 2 second faster time.

 

[sturk0167]

One race pole sitter was GT Academy 2013. Just before the race starts he says "I'm a beginner". Funny. Beginner has a 2 second faster time.

That reminds me of my all-time favorite post-race message. I mentioned it quite a while ago, but I'm gonna repeat it because it still makes me laugh.
Some dude's message said "The 4th time I hit you was an accident".

 

[Tappajakoala]

kjeldsen,

You can take all beans off from your nostrils now, I didn't mean to offend anyone.

By nudge in that specific race I really meant doors or sidemirros of two cars got tiny scraches at low speed corner due tight competition. It was all fair ans square. You don't need to lecture me about Bathurst crashes of bigger nudgings...

 

[Winnie847]

I’m about to jump in a few Race C’s. I hope to see some of you guys around...I’ll need the moral support, Suzuka is brutal!

 

[kjeldsen]

kjeldsen,

You can take all beans off from your nostrils now, I didn't mean to offend anyone.

By nudge in that specific race I really meant doors or sidemirros of two cars got tiny scraches at low speed corner due tight competition. It was all fair ans square. You don't need to lecture me about Bathurst crashes of bigger nudgings...

Sigh .. Oh well, I hope you read the link, i will let the post stay up for a bit.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

kjeldsen,

You can take all beans off from your nostrils now, I didn't mean to offend anyone.

By nudge in that specific race I really meant doors or sidemirros of two cars got tiny scraches at low speed corner due tight competition. It was all fair ans square. You don't need to lecture me about Bathurst crashes of bigger nudgings...

Don't take it personally, the contact judgements in GTS are harsh. It's a steep learning curve to stay out of trouble. You can follow fair racing guidelines all you want, however the game only cares about contact. Sport mode is a contact free sport, any contact will result in SR loss. Usually you can minimize the losses to still to come out ahead after the race (Blue rating) yet any tiny touch costs. I posted this earlier today, -5 SR for me for getting lag tapped from behind. (Still easily Blue at the end as Suzuka daily C has a lot more points to earn than 5)

Some contacts you literally can't do anything about, so don't beat yourself up over losing a few points now and then. Especially in the daily A and B, one such tap from behind and one little side to side contact in a corner is enough for a red rating at SR.S.

As you see, lag is a factor. Hence if you want to avoid SR loss, always drive with a little margin to other cars. Try no to drive through ghosted cars as they can unghost at any moment (Unless they are travelling much much slower, or are a lap behind) Use radar (that little screen in the middle, select with the d-pad) to stay clear of other cars. And the biggest challenge, anticipate what the other cars are going to do.

GT Sport is part race, part avoidance simulator. Of course if you want to race 'hard' and don't mind others pushing you around as well, you can always enjoy that at lower SR. The system is designed to sort of settle you in a certain range based on how many contacts you have per race. It's actually harder to stay in SR.E than SR.S Once in SR.S the game expects you to drive contact free and the penalties are maxed while SR budgets are smallest. There are still contacts as we're only human, plus you have people gaming the system in various ways. Most people are fair though. And if you are careful, clean first, fast second, you should have no problem staying in SR.S.

Anyway, we have a whole thread dedicated to unfair penalties
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/penalty-system-is-still-a-piece-of.378725/
You can direct any frustrations there And there will be some!

Happy racing!

 

[ScottPuss20]

I did Race A yesterday without a qualifying time and started at the back. Definitely makes the racing more interesting. The last grid place was 9th and I managed to get 4th place, even with a 4 second penalty. I was with a group of 4 cars for pretty much the entire race, consistently swapping positions. My first attempt at Race C was interesting too, after starting second. The guy who started first wasn't going as fast as I was, and I struggled to get by as a result. I had a run on him out of Spoon but made the idiotic decision to pass on the INSIDE of 130R. I got onto the astroturf and spun around, thinking it was all over. However I got saved by the wall, and kept on going as I'd only lost 2 seconds. I went on to finish second without pitting for tyres half way. I had the lead for a while but couldn't hold on with worn tyres. My second attempt was pathetic, as I ruined an opportunity to come second by going wide at the first corner, and hitting the wall on the other side. I didn't do another race after that.

 

[iMikeTheKing]

Daily Race C - First race went better than my previous experience; I started on Pole instead of 2nd and I made it through Turn 1 on Lap 1. Then I binned it in Turn 1 Lap 2. More mistakes followed and I think I finished in 6th place but I don't remember (and didn't save the replay). Still frustrated from the first race, second race went even more 🤬 than the last race. Started on pole in front of @Winnie847 and @Sven Jurgens and then binned it Turn 9 and rage quit. I hate a car that does nothing from 0% to 50% throttle because I like to control my car with the throttle. I also don't ever want to race on this track ever again. So much frustration from the Daily Race and the FIA race.

Daily Race B - Easy. I won every race because I was at least a second a lap faster than anyone in the 4 races that I did. I started challenging myself to see what's the fastest race I can do which was more fun than I thought.

At least I'm at DR B now and that rage quit didn't hurt my SR. My DR growth is a lot slower now so I wonder when I'll get back to what I was used to in terms of DR growth.

See you guys on Daily Race B next week

 

[TurboTacho]

Daily Race A - Won 2 races out of a handful of attempts. Followed by a series of botched runs and bad players that made things a little sour. Nevertheless, just kept on fighting for positions and extra experience in handling various cars in a circuit with twisty characteristics.

Fuji Speedway ain't a bad place to master after all!
Hopefully I could regain my hard hit ratings and have better control with higher tier cars.

Daily Race B - So far a few podium finishes and a little tricky in handling situations. I wished my car has a nitro button (lol)

 

[05XR8]

Raced all day with the 86 and twice with the Evo. No problems. Used the Viper once and two pelicans decide to play bumper cars with me for the last two laps. Ridiculous.

Anyway, first and last race in Gr.2. Assumed 2nd place, due to the leader with a penalty falling to 2nd. Then, went wide at the underpass. Close battle with 1st place. I pitted at Lap 6 as the leader did a no stop. Caught up at the hairpin and kept my patience til the final chicane.
Leader jumped a cone and caused me to get off the gas just a fraction. This made me slow, as I was about to pass it's left rear corner. Just call me Brian L. Spilner

 

[Invisigoth]

Anyway, first and last race in Gr.2. Assumed 2nd place, due to the leader with a penalty falling to 2nd. Then, went wide at the underpass. Close battle with 1st place. I pitted at Lap 6 as the leader did a no stop. Caught up at the hairpin and kept my patience til the final chicane.
Leader jumped a cone and caused me to get off the gas just a fraction. This made me slow, as I was about to pass it's left rear corner. Just call me Brian L. Spilner

It's nice to see a couple of high places that *weren't* GT-Rs 👍. In the Gr2 races I did this week I was the only one I saw running the NSX and the only one running any of the older cars.

My final race for the week, Race B with Herbie. I know the Gr3 Beetle has a certain degree of hatefulness in the hearts of some. Personally, it's one of my favourite Gr3s . I qualified P8.....out of 9 . P9 didn't qualify . Mixed DR, but mostly DR/C. All SR/S.

Race starts and T1 seemed pretty controlled for a change. There was one joker who's opening comment was "Coming through. Your choice if it's clean or not". He started P6. Finished last .

I had some tooing and froing with the guy in front, but in the end got ahead after some door to door action which he backed out of. Finished P7.

SR still 99, DR dropped a couple of hundred. Still hanging on to road of DR/C .

 

[Spongeinside]

I hate how they always become one make within (probably) minutes after going live...

Did a gr.2 race at Suzuka, all but two were GTR’s... my Honda clearly can’t keep up with the GTR.

Also it sucks the game doesn’t enforce pit lane exit line rules... As I came down the straight at full speed, someone came out of pit lane straight across to the racing line in front of me, forcing me to have the swerve to the right to avoid him, AND to add insult to injury, he slammed the door shut on me while I was on his inside in turn one forcing me on the grass... ohwell... that’s racing online I guess... people not giving a poop about anyone but themselves...

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I did a couple Suzuka races last night which went fine until it started getting dirty after about 22:30. I guess people were getting drunk. This morning they were still drunk as all three races I got run off or dirty blocked by swervers that only pay attention to being in the path of the car behind, or push them out when alongside. Perhaps PD should put these signs all along the tracks.

Suzuka is so forgiving in SR though that you hardly see any red ratings at the end. Still someone managed to get a red B. Perhaps he started as SR.B because that would be quite an achievement from SR.S. Suzuka has been putting more people in SR.S that clearly don't belong there. It will be an unruly afternoon in the backfield.

Anyway SR remains unchallenged this week, DR slightly dropping due to getting punted off up to three time per race and a nice disconnect mid race.

 

[K3Tuning]

I tried the Gr2 Race at Interlagos late last night. Did not go well. Q time junk had me in 2nd to last.... Least I wasnt the worst qualifying lol turn one I though it was going good, i brake well and come in right behind buddy in front of me then PUNT the one @#%&$ Dude behind me sends me to the moon spinning out on the other side of the track, not long after getting back on track I see him get into it with a next car and both of them get out of shape I sneak by like whistle whistle don't mind me. That was pretty much it. 2 guys behind stay there and everybody up front I don't see again..

Im about 20 laps in at Interlagos in a Gr2 car Im at the point I recognize corners so I know what's coming just need to tighten up my lines through it. Managing 35.5 Q time Im far off pace.

Im using the mustang and ut feels fast I'm just off pace still :/ maybe the GTR will help me get a tad more competitive. DS4 yah know things take a bit more practice.