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I drove several races today at NurbF1 including consecutive ones, so my mind is getting better now I guess. Well almost - in one race I was 4.3 seconds in front and must have barely had the inside tyres leave the bitumen and I scored A 0.432 second penalty on lap 3 (of 4), so I blew my perfect SR rating, then I tried to slow down, but the game wouldn't do it for me, so I tried to on the last lap with 4.6 second lead, after corner 3 with that straight in front, but I lost not 0.4 seconds, but almost 3.4 seconds ... then with the 2nd place car now 0.7 seconds behind (should not have been a problem because I was a lot quicker) I was going around the 180 degree corner and couldn't get the car to stay tight - off I went into the sand. I came 4th. Strangely DR didn't suffer though. Now I know why guys wipe their times off just before the finish line.

Before that, I was second on the grid, and I felt an opportunity was there. But when the game started my car, it drove me off to the right into the sand there ... others were also affected, and then I wow wow wow, started in first place. Beaut I thought - but then, I was suddenly in the middle of a bunch of cars, and we all wiped out at the end of the straight. I came out 12th, and recovered to 6th I think.

My worst race though was when a really fast Japanese qualifier I had accidentally in the previous race (he drove away and I came second) - in the previous race, I had accidentally touched him at corner 1 in the back. He got penalised too, but I immediately let him through and I apologised after the race, but he quit the post race straight away. His qualy time was 1:56.3. But boy - he set me up beautifully when he started in front of me two races later: we both braked on the right of the track, (Nurb F1) at corner , and he braked way way way early. Thinking I would hit him I guess. But I didn't hit him - I just followed his early braking. BIG MISTAKE. I then got hit by a million cars. He escaped, but I was in the sand without TC and when I got out I was 15th and way way behind. So I caught a few cars and then braking into the chicane on lap 3 - bang - into that off area. I came 13th. I lost 13 SR - I was 93 SR and ended up 80 and I also lost 1,300 DR points.

Wow. A super penalty for trying to avoid a cunning defensive move. Next time - well I should have gone left and kept my speed I guess, but that race line would have driven me off the track because I braked on the right of the track. If I see him again I'll break on the opposite side of the track to him I guess. Hmm thinking about it, he must have braked way early the previous race too ... weird but fast driver?
 
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Decided to try Race B and qualified in the RSR for a 1:58.527, which puts me in 6th for the race. Lap 1 and I tried to get to the inside of an Idolmaster GT-R, before suddenly an RC F outbraked himself into me. No penalties for both of us and an Evo. Then sometime later I decided to be slightly impatient and ended up receiving a penalty, but then an Aussie in another RC F bottled his race. The race goes until I've finished 4th, though a fellow RSR driver bottled his race as I had the chance, but not really... SR only went up by 2 points.
 
Yeah, I'm pretty old school. D pad and X and Square. I just tried something different, though. I dropped down to 3rd gear, entering turn 2 and went a little faster. I noticed on your replays, you hit the brakes when you enter turn 2. I never have. Try a no-brake entry. See if it works for you. 👍

Respect, that’s how I use a DS4 too, old Skool GT1 style. :cheers:

I do hit the brakes there, I noticed on the top times that they don’t either but I always come in to hot if I try to not brake there and risk sliding off the outside. When I was following behind those two really fast guys the other night I was trying my best to pay attention to their lines while trying to keep up at the same time lol. They swung wide in T2 as without braking, but I didn’t notice their turn in point. I’m thinking maybe you need to turn in a little early and let the car understeer you back to the proper line and maybe past it so you don’t go off wide maybe, I’m gonna try it tonight after some jumps :lol: . I really want that sub 29 time! They were going wider than me in the final turn too, it’s a bit of a straighter shot out the exit if you do that but I couldn’t make it be faster last night in the few attempts I made at it, I’m gonna keep working on that tonight too to see if I can gain anything there. Every one thousandth counts. :D


Another thing I’ve been thinking about and wanting to ask everyone is, How do you guys analyze a lap? Like to watch a video of a top ten time for example and then translate that info into your own driving. What cues or other things are you looking for when you watch it?
 
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So today was my last no qualifying day for the week and I am down to DR 1226:lol: Starting at the back is not good for DR but I feel like I have improved a bit in race craft which was my goal. From tomorrow on I will restart my journey to getting back to DR B by driving clean.
My goal is to get my qualifying time a second lower from where I am know. Here a video of my current time:)
 
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Nice. That’s movin.
I just beat .58 with a 57.9.
So much time in that track.
I've had a 57.9 for days in the R8 but I've slowed down!! So I checked a front guy and my lines are OK, my braking and throttle control has gone to pot. I haven't been practicing and I guess I am now paying the price. I typically make mistakes for the first races, chuck away over 1,000 DR before my brain joins the party. its a bit annoying because without the 1300 loss yesterday due to the early braker and my avoiding hitting him, I'd have got over 30,000 points. Now I am back in the 27k area so I've got more work to do. I guess some practice is due but I am finding the racing more fun than being by myself. I don't even know where the brake balance should be - mine is at one click to the clockwise ie right side of the centre, I have no idea where it should be. Corner 10 has cost me I reckon 3000 points - I start the race determined to play it safe there, but then something tactical happens I go crazy there. The chicane has cost me too but I think I will remember what to do there, hopefully. :nervous:


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I’m just finally sitting down to start racing now, I can’t wait to do some Jumps!! :D

Edit: I almost landed a barrel roll off that same jump, I got huge air but didn’t land it. I tried a few others on the way around but I got reset before hitting the couple good looking ones. Then on the next run around I managed to land a 360 after hip checking the barrel on the first jump haha. Time to do some hot laps now. :)

 
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Nice. That’s movin.
I just beat .58 with a 57.9.
So much time in that track.

Groundfish, I did another race, with 12 minutes before the race start. I did 5 laps, three under 1:58. My changes are starting to work. Phew. Best was a 01:57.712. Then I had a race and thanks to that time, I was on the pole. The B driver behind me was SunfungusDave - he's been an A+. Mixed fleet with Ds, C, Bs, A, A+ and an S. I won the race by two seconds - I think Sunfungus must have been elsewhere, he's done over 2,000 races, he's much quicker than me. He was in the R8 too.

Wow, can't believe I beat him with some ease, but I guess he got caught up with car #3. Its easy in front - when you don't run wide. :D I reckon the game makes you run wide at least once in the race - typically lap 3 with this 4 lap race at the NurbGP track. My best lap was only 1:58.8 I think so I reckon the game is slower than the qualifying, although I was playing it safe.
 
I've had a 57.9 for days in the R8 but I've slowed down!! So I checked a front guy and my lines are OK, my braking and throttle control has gone to pot. I haven't been practicing and I guess I am now paying the price. I typically make mistakes for the first races, chuck away over 1,000 DR before my brain joins the party. its a bit annoying because without the 1300 loss yesterday due to the early braker and my avoiding hitting him, I'd have got over 30,000 points. Now I am back in the 27k area so I've got more work to do. I guess some practice is due but I am finding the racing more fun than being by myself. I don't even know where the brake balance should be - mine is at one click to the clockwise ie right side of the centre, I have no idea where it should be. Corner 10 has cost me I reckon 3000 points - I start the race determined to play it safe there, but then something tactical happens I go crazy there. The chicane has cost me too but I think I will remember what to do there, hopefully. :nervous:


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Sometimes you have to get away for a bit, or at least I do. My best times always seem to come in during am here. Fresh coffee fresh mind.
I actually just tried the r8 and I’ve been gr3 vette only so long that I can’t drive any mr anymore at all. I dunno how people are fast in the 911 for example.
I’m the same, stuck on that time. I never bother with brake balance, or I did once in the Nissan at Lemans...
I’m also around that on dr I think.
It was actually a big accomplishment for me to break 58, so I am psyched on that.
Not only do I have plenty of laps in this week, but I’ve run that track a lot!
I should be faster in theory!
Seems to take soooo long to get just a bit more time...
 
Yeah, I'm pretty old school. D pad and X and Square. I just tried something different, though. I dropped down to 3rd gear, entering turn 2 and went a little faster. I noticed on your replays, you hit the brakes when you enter turn 2. I never have. Try a no-brake entry. See if it works for you. 👍

i come from the old school as well but adapted a little bit.

i use left stick to steer, r2 for throttle, square for brake, x for gear up, r1 for gear down. having throttle in r2 makes a big difference with the lack of pressure sensitive buttons on the ds4. i drive with TCS off and ABS default.

the only thing that is a bit awkward with that setup is the rare occasion where you need to shift down while accelerating. gotta roll your finger onto r1 while mashing r2.
 
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i come from the old school as well but adapted a little bit.

i use left stick to steer, r2 for throttle, square for brake, x for gear up, r1 for gear down. having throttle in r2 makes a big difference with the lack of pressure sensitive buttons on the ds4.

the only thing that is a bit awkward with that setup is the rare occasion where you need to shift down while accelerating. gotta roll your finger onto r1 while mashing r2.

Just IMO... but having Brake on a pressure sensitive button like L2 is just as important as throttle on R2. How do you trail brake with a simple on/off brake button? You can't. You're leaving time all over the track.
 
Respect, that’s how I use a DS4 too, old Skool GT1 style. :cheers:

I do hit the brakes there, I noticed on the top times that they don’t either but I always come in to hot if I try to not brake there and risk sliding off the outside. When I was following behind those two really fast guys the other night I was trying my best to pay attention to their lines while trying to keep up at the same time lol. They swung wide in T2 as without braking, but I didn’t notice their turn in point. I’m thinking maybe you need to turn in a little early and let the car understeer you back to the proper line and maybe past it so you don’t go off wide maybe, I’m gonna try it tonight after some jumps :lol: . I really want that sub 29 time! They were going wider than me in the final turn too, it’s a bit of a straighter shot out the exit if you do that but I couldn’t make it be faster last night in the few attempts I made at it, I’m gonna keep working on that tonight too to see if I can gain anything there. Every one thousandth counts. :D


Another thing I’ve been thinking about and wanting to ask everyone is, How do you guys analyze a lap? Like to watch a video of a top ten time for example and then translate that info into your own driving. What cues or other things are you looking for when you watch it?

Same here, D-pad, cross & square!
 
You guys are brilliant genius's being able to drive fast with a controller. Sheesh ...

But the other side, and please excuse my ignorance and bias - but .... these games IMO hurt realism due to controllers. The trailing - totally backed off throttle - is a key example. In a real car, you throttle on and then you brake hard. Mid corner you balance the throttle sure, but its mostly on and off and lots of steering, and OK with lots of throttle control. But being quick by backing off and sort of coasting in a corner - that is something that these games have done IMO to enable the controllers to be competitive.

Please correct me if I am wrong, because the only time I've been coordinated with a controller was with Ratchet and Clank, Version 1, due to my son. Many years ago ...

I'd rather the physics engine was more realistic and that the game lowered ones time because it knew you were using a hand controller, so it corrected the slower times a hand controller must produce.

But games doing that would be a bit like PD working out whose at fault in a racing bump - its not likely after 18 years of trying.
 
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@Melbourne Park, that’s cool man. You sound faster than me for sure!

Another thing I’ve been thinking about and wanting to ask everyone is, How do you guys analyze a lap? Like to watch a video of a top ten time for example and then translate that info into your own driving. What cues or other things are you looking for when you watch it?

I tend to do it on the fly being close to my ghost and tying a bit different things and watching the time number.
I don’t copy top ten laps, those tend to be a bit beyond me, like at Bathurst one guy was so fast but he hit the dipper without tcs on throttle and countersteering like a cobra strike!
I try to focus on key turns before straights and get them right first. I always do the same, first focus on exit. Next I work entry. I don’t analyze my hotlaps too much, maybe I should!

I ran one just a bit ago started 6 got to 4 then back to 6 by a car length at the line. It seems to me the quality of driving is very high sr wise at 99. Everybody playing nice. The Porsche is my nemesis in the vette. If they catch my slip down the straight into the chicane, I’m cooked. I dunno why I always try harder to beat 911s.
I’ve been sticking it to em at mid b but nearing a the dang guys know how to use em! I gotta up my game haha.
This game is so fun and rewarding. I find the immersion great. Hey! How do you like the new deal? Especially pedals? I might upgrade...
 
I think you've got that wrong, coasting slows you down I this game, a lot, its one of my annoyances. One has to try and keep on the throttle to rotate the car.
 
I managed to shave another tenth tonight, but not sub 29 yet. I’ve got it, I just can’t put it all together yet. It’s that middle section mostly that I gotta get perfect to make it work. I’ve only got two more days, I’ll get it. :)

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Oh and I almost forgot, @sturk0167 ;)

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@Groundfish

“Hey! How do you like the new deal? Especially pedals? I might upgrade...”

Thanks very much for the info, it’s much appreciated. I’m absolutely loving the new wheel and pedals, I can feel things in the wheel that I couldn’t with my old one and the pedals are night and day better than my old ones. I didn’t use the brake mod though because my left foot is too trained for a pedal without one. I would definitely recommend it if your looking for that type of wheel/pedal set for sure. :)
 
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So these daily races are just a joke? Right??? :confused:
I've only run 8 races now I think.....(who's counting? Oh yeah, PD is...)
I'm in Australia and run through the day and maybe one at night local time. EVERY race so far is full of clowns. :banghead:
Admittedly, I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed with driving, averaging low 2 minute passes at the Nurb GP track, race B. :(
A race for me may consist of anyone from a 1:57 lap to a 2:07 lap time. I'm usually mid pack, 5-7 on the grid.
My DR and SR are are all over the place, up, down.....down up.....because I get idiots who keep shunting me off course. :ouch:

Are these races a waste of time? Please, what is the best time to get online. :( I'm ready to give up and just concentrate on liveries.....
 
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