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Great morning of racing. I kept my nose squeeky clean, couple clean race bonuses and only 2 minor shortcut penalties for evading messy drivers. The rest of the room was not so clean, red dot extravaganza with some rooms over 50% red ratings and 30% quit rate.

From the cars I tested, 919 definitely has the best brakes, yet the LM55 seems to accelerate a tiny bit faster. Worst brakes go to the XJR-9. I set my fastest lap of this morning in the 787B, don't get excited, it's horrible on fuel. R18 and LM55 were not far behind in lap times, in the 787B I had better drafting opportunities. Only my 908 HDi run was a bit tainted due to getting punted off twice.

The results so far, AT, TCS 2, ABS (default)

09:00 R92CP pit 4 6% -> 26% (2% left), R18 '16 17:43.826, 787B 3:26.216
09:30 LM55 pit 4 0% -> 29% (3% left), 919 17:36.012, 919 3:28.422
10:00 R18 '16 pit 4 5% -> 30% (6% left), 908 HDi 17:29.767, 787B 3:26.634
10:30 919 pit 4 2% -> 27% (3% left), TS050 17:31.751, 787B 3:25.349
11:00 908 HDi pit 4 9% -> 27% (4% left), 919 17:32.104, 919 3:27.801 (punted twice)
11:30 787B pit 4 -12% -> 31% (3% left), 919 17:33.308, 919 3:27.628 (16% FM6 lap 4)
12:00 Sauber C9 pit 4 -8% -> 30% (3% left), 908 HDi 17:23.890, 908 HDi 3:25.139 (19% FM4 lap 4)
12:30 XJR-9 pit 4 -5% -> 26% (0% left), 908 HDi 17:26.280, 908 HDi 3:27.115 (21% FM5 lap 4)
13:00 SRT Tomahawk pit 4 9% -> 29% (5% left), 908 HDi 17:28.240, 908 HDi 3:26.722
13:30 R18 '11 pit 4 -13% -> 30% (1% left), 908 HDi 17:29.277, R18 '18 3:26.282 (15% FM6 lap 4)
14:00 McLaren VGT pit 4 -10% -> 29% (2% left), LM55 17:35.776, R18 '18 3:26.262 (17% FM5 lap 4)
14:30 TS030 pit 4 12% -> 26% (4% left), 908 HDi 17:24.420, 908 HDi 3:26.847

Sorry for he horrible formatting, damn fonts and auto space removal. I also listed the cars that won the race and which set the best lap. A lot of cars didn't make 4 laps so I took an educated guess on how far below empty the tank would be while saving like hell on the 4th lap.

The 908 HDi seems a popular choice to win, however it was pretty much the same person farming wins all morning.

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The % left between brackets is what I had left over at the finish. It seems kinda random when the game releases you. I spam the stop fueling button while in the pit to leave asap. So far only the TS050 makes it the whole way in FM1 without a pit stop (AT)
 
sturk0167
Unless I figure out how to get a really good Q time at Fuji, I don't think I want to race there, cause fools at Fuji always be like:
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I may run from the back there. I figure if I can't gain positions and loose DR I just won't do it again. I don't like that they removed the countdown signs leading into T1. Makes finding a brake marker tough.
 
@sturk0167; I’ve lost 29 SR points at Fuji today. I am sorry to say that after 345 Sport Mode races I carried out my first revenge hit. A player hit me 4 times in 2 corners and barged up the inside off track limits and pushed in front. Next corner he brakes, I didn’t and he landed in a guard rail. Down from 99 to 70 SR points but it had to be done. Sorry!

@Rexracer702 First lap of a race I gained enough speed to be able to try a move up the inside on T1. Because I use a bit of tarmac / asphalt on the left as my brake marker and I was on the inside right I totally missed my braking. Ran off but luckily did not take the guy I was passing with me. A 150/100 countdown would have been nice.
 
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I’ve been booted from Race C twice (EDIT: Now three times!) in a row now, which is annoying since I was able to enter it just fine before that, and it’s even more annoying since there’s only a race every 30mins.

I wonder if it has to do with the incoming update?
 
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Damn, that's a lot of info. Thanks for sharing. 👍 I wouldn't have the patience to compile all that data.
Two thoughts: This -->
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So far only the TS050 makes it the whole way in FM1 without a pit stop
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makes it sound like the TS050 is the obvious car to use, unless there are cars that will be faster, even when using a higher fuel map setting. Is that true?

My other thought was that since all the fastest guys will probably be at race C this week, and I don't wanna get shoved out of the way, I'd be better off just using my drunk qualifying time from Sunday night. It's about 3:30. :O I'm not gonna win that race (hoping for top 10s)The idea is that instead of spending a ton of time on qualifying to get a low time, and starting in front of a bunch of people who are gonna be faster in race, keep that time and start in the bottom half, but at least in front of the people who really struggle with the track (not you, Sven. And no offense intended to anyone). Does this strategy work as well as I'm envisioning? (Can't try it until Thursday)
 
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Damn, that's a lot of info. Thanks for sharing. 👍 I wouldn't have the patience to compile all that data.
Two thoughts: This --> makes it sound like the TS050 is the obvious car to use, unless there are cars that will be faster, even when using a higher fuel map setting. Is that true?

My other thought was that since all the fastest guys will probably be at race C this week, and I don't wanna get shoved out of the way, I'd be better off just using my drunk qualifying time from Sunday night. It's about 3:30. :O I'm not gonna win that race (hoping for top 10s)The idea is that instead of spending a ton of time on qualifying to get a low time, and starting in front of a bunch of people who are gonna be faster in race, keep that time and start in the bottom half, but at least in front of the people who really struggle with the track (not you, Sven. And no offense intended to anyone). Does this strategy work as well as I'm envisioning? (Can't try it until Thursday)
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The theory sounds good to me, I don’t see why it wouldn’t work. :cheers:

I’d also like to thank @Sven Jurgens for the test results, as always the info is much appreciated Sir. :)
 
Went for some Gr.4 Ferrari action at Fuji, first race started second and after turn one I found myself facing the wrong way and last with a seven second penalty in a rage I raced to 9th at the finish but didnt recognise/ignored the flashing red flag in the middle of my screen, ended up clasified last, went from SR/S to SR/B.
Race two was a grid full of SR/B's, qulified on pole but got hit at turn one again finished fifth with a clean race bonus, SR and DR taking a big hit.
Race three, on pole again, survive turn one and lead most of the first lap, two 'fellow :lol:' Brits slipsream past me and we head into turn one with a nice cushion to the pack, at the start of lap four the guy in second misses his braking and goes wide, the leader gets away and I am alongside heading into turn two, I am slightly ahead but the other dude has the inside, I leave space but keep my car there, he tries to go around the outside but goes too wide and has to lift, we head down to the end of the second sector, I brake fror the turn, he doesnt and punts me of the track, my car gets put back on track and I finish sixth :mad:, he gets a time penalty and finishes fifth :lol:
About to call it quits, I see on the final screen that he calls me a 🤬 then leaves. The rage is 'on'.
I quit the screen and immediately hit race entry, no practice just staring at the countdown for thirteen minutes looking forward to meet my countryman again, 'joining session' is on, and there he is, he'd been using his time wisely and had infact improved his lap time, he was second quickest, behind me :D, then he left the room, race start seemed a bit of an anticlimax, I survided turn and led from lights to flag :cool:
Met this handsome fella on the way out;

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Damn, that's a lot of info. Thanks for sharing. 👍 I wouldn't have the patience to compile all that data.
Two thoughts: This --> makes it sound like the TS050 is the obvious car to use, unless there are cars that will be faster, even when using a higher fuel map setting. Is that true?

My other thought was that since all the fastest guys will probably be at race C this week, and I don't wanna get shoved out of the way, I'd be better off just using my drunk qualifying time from Sunday night. It's about 3:30. :O I'm not gonna win that race (hoping for top 10s)The idea is that instead of spending a ton of time on qualifying to get a low time, and starting in front of a bunch of people who are gonna be faster in race, keep that time and start in the bottom half, but at least in front of the people who really struggle with the track (not you, Sven. And no offense intended to anyone). Does this strategy work as well as I'm envisioning? (Can't try it until Thursday)
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TS050 is slow on the straight. You will be used as a springboard or convenient fuel save draft device while you tow the other cars along. I'm thinking the Peugeot 908 is the best all rounder with minimal fuel saving needed. However R18 '16 is winning again atm.

I was still gaining a bunch of positions and finishing within the time limit with my horrible strategy (pit lap 4,some times major fuel saving in lap 4 to make it). However do no try the GTR-LM Nismo, it's still the worst car by far. I just tested it, its tires are gone in lap 4, my best lap was 3:43 and I was 1 minute 52 seconds behind in lap 5 after the pit... (still gained 2 positions lol)
 
I just did a few laps with the Toyota TS050 and it seems I’m about 2-3 seconds slower in it on average. But it means not having to stop for fuel, 15 seconds slower vs a 30 seconds pit stop in the R18. The Toyota seems to brake a little better at the end of the straights but that could just be because it’s not stopping from quite as high a speed too I guess. I’m gonna try the Toyota first I think. :)

Edit: Although, if I’m stopping for fuel in the R18 I could grab some new rubber while I’m there and possibly make up some ground on the guys on old tires and slower cars though. Hmmm, I might have to try both strategies.
 
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TS050 is slow on the straight. You will be used as a springboard or convenient fuel save draft device while you tow the other cars along. I'm thinking the Peugeot 908 is the best all rounder with minimal fuel saving needed. However R18 '16 is winning again atm.

I was still gaining a bunch of positions and finishing within the time limit with my horrible strategy (pit lap 4,some times major fuel saving in lap 4 to make it). However do no try the GTR-LM Nismo, it's still the worst car by far. I just tested it, its tires are gone in lap 4, my best lap was 3:43 and I was 1 minute 52 seconds behind in lap 5 after the pit... (still gained 2 positions lol)
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I just noticed, today for the first time that on KP it says the GTR is FWD. That sounds like a terrible idea. I should give the 908 a try, but if you're saying it still works out ok to make a pit stop, I might just stick with the one I know best. LM55.
Thanks
 
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Went for some Gr.4 Ferrari action at Fuji, first race started second and after turn one I found myself facing the wrong way and last with a seven second penalty in a rage I raced to 9th at the finish but didnt recognise/ignored the flashing red flag in the middle of my screen, ended up clasified last, went from SR/S to SR/B.
Race two was a grid full of SR/B's, qulified on pole but got hit at turn one again finished fifth with a clean race bonus, SR and DR taking a big hit.
Race three, on pole again, ...
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This confirms my theory (or maybe its ridiculously obvious to everyone but me) - that if you get a major 29 point SR downgrade, you end up with "B" drivers most of whom are quite a bit slower, and then, you gain DR until you hit SR "S" again.

Strange because it actually rewards getting a 29 point downgrade - although when it happened to me, I felt a victim. :(

PS - I have had 5 practice laps at Le Mans and boy - I am super slow. Finished just two laps and the best I have is a 1:42! Phew ... maybe I need to spend some time practicing, I am going to get beaten up like Joe Frazier against Ali in the Killer in Manila. .
 
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This confirms my theory (or maybe its ridiculously obvious to everyone but me) - that if you get a major 29 point SR downgrade, you end up with "B" drivers most of whom are quite a bit slower, and then, you gain DR until you hit SR "S" again.

Strange because it actually rewards getting a 29 point downgrade - although when it happened to me, I felt a victim. :(

PS - I have had 5 practice laps at Le Mans and boy - I am super slow. Finished just two laps and the best I have is a 1:42! Phew ... maybe I need to spend some time practicing, I am going to get beaten up like Joe Frazier against Ali in the Killer in Manila. .
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1:42? I would consider that to be pretty damn good. 👍
 
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I just noticed, today for the first time that on KP it says the GTR is FWD. That sounds like a terrible idea.
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I think "terrible idea" was the general consensus when they revealed the car, Nissan wanted to be different for the sake of being different and ended up with a rubbish car that went in the bin after 1 race.
 
Milestone win #100! Using the Pug 908, short-shifting no-stopper.

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It's a public holiday here in New Zealand so this is the first time I've raced in the morning during a weekday. As it turned out, there was only 12 cars in the field. ANyway, started second behind another kiwi who was using the LM55 and was always ~ 2 secs behind him (and I had a 1.9 sec penalty to burn too), so I was really surprised to see him stop for fuel at the end of lap 4 (must have been his first race).

Also tried the Tomahawk (short-shifting of course) and pretty much managed a similar overall race-time.
 
I know I'm not even close to being the fastest driver. But, I did manage to finish 4th in the plucky little Toyota 86 at Fuji, behind 3 Hurucans, and in front of a fairly even split of more Hurucans, and TT's. You get eaten alive on the straights. But it is funny catching up around every corner, and at all the hard braking zones. Given that GT does seem to (mostly) match you with people of a similar skill level, I'm pretty happy with that.

It's about time I put in some laps at Le Mans, though. I have a grand total of zero laps in the game so far.
 
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I just noticed, today for the first time that on KP it says the GTR is FWD. That sounds like a terrible idea. I should give the 908 a try, but if you're saying it still works out ok to make a pit stop, I might just stick with the one I know best. LM55.
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You won't win, but can finish with a pit stop and pass half the field. LM55 is fast on full power.

GTR is indeed FWD. Steering pretty much locks when you go full throttle and the front tires are toast after 4 laps. Rear tires, no wear at all. I have no clue what the point is of this car, why is it in the game. I haven't gotten to the Alpine VGT yet though nor the Bugatti. This was my previous worst list:

18:56.DNF Bugatti VGT
18:56.DNF Nissan GT-R LM Nismo
18:46.995 Alpine VGT
18:42.DNF Audi VGT
18:38.DNF McLaren VGT

The McLaren is actually a bit more competitive now, still not very good but better than it was. The L750R was in the top 5 winners before, not anymore. It's slower now and prone to oversteer going into Dunlop. First lap I went in sideways :) Kept it on the track anyway!

So far it remains a battle between R18 '16, LM55, 908 HDi, with 919 and TS050 occasionally stealing a win. The Peugeot is in the lead with R18 '16 2 seconds behind for fastest (observed) race time.
 
Seriously. race C should be mandatory pit for any tyre. Pit window between lap 1 and the penultimate lap. If it's only 3 laps, everyone still has to pit on lap 2.

This still requires strategy. Penalties still affect outcome.
Fuel usage, tyre wear, starting grid position.
Won't happen, but it'd help.
 
Did my first race A of the week, it was ok. I hate this car but i managed to get put in a slow room so started third and stayed there till the end. 4 was about 1.5 sec back most of the race. Everyone seemed to be keeping to the track ish
 
Here's some sloppy Turn 1, DR C, back of the pack racing on Fuji featuring my bizarre form of vengeance. All of the footage below is the same, it's just time stamp started at different spots.

On the first lap "Ghost" is ahead of me is instantly dive bombing and weave blocking trying to bully his way to the front.



On lap two I get a good run on the straight and draft behind "Ghost" passing cleanly on the inside. At this point I'm surprised at the clean pass and I'm still expecting to get rammed. Despite trying to hog the apex, I still manage to get dive bombed and shoved to the outside by "Ghost".



Similar situation again on lap 3. I pull a draft on "Ghost" and feint an inside pass to make him think I'm going to dive bomb. He pulls a late weave block, forcing me to evade him and give him a bump. At this point I'm certain he's committed to the inside gamer line so I take the outside line planning to late apex and pass him once he overshoots.

As planned, he overshoots the apex and I cut inside to pass slipping up on the rumble strip. He flies wide and comes back onto the track. Frustrated with his behavior I only planned to leave him half a car width on the outer edge of the exit line, I hit the angle wrong and he tries to cut off of the kerbing and he gets pitted into last place. Not my best moment but I blame karma and move on.



Last one for fun. Turn 1 again. "Dogs" drafts me and take a solid inside line. I plan again to late apex and pass him on the inside hoping he overshoots. As planned, he overshoots the apex and after some foggy coasting through the apex I get inside. He freaks out and tries to block me from the outside, but his angle is too sharp and he throws himself off of the track.

 
I completed my fuel testing at Sarthe. For easy reading, this is the number of laps you can expect to make at FM1 (AT)

Toyota TS050 5.0 laps
Toyota TS030 4.5 laps
GTR-LM Nismo 4.4 laps
Peugeot 908 HDi 4.4 laps
SRT Tomahawk 4.4 laps
Nissan R92CP 4.3 laps
Audi R18 '16 4.2 laps
Porsche 919 4.1 laps
Audi VGT 4.0 laps
Alpine VGT 4.0 laps
Mazda LM55 4.0 laps
Bugatti VGT 3.9 laps
Jaguar XJR-9 3.8 laps
Sauber C9 3.7 laps
Peugeot L750R 3.7 laps
Hyundai N 2025 3.6 laps
McLaren VGT 3.6 laps
Mazda 787B 3.5 laps
Audi R18 '11 3.5 laps

As far as tire wear goes, most cars have little issues to go 5 laps on the same tires except the GTR-LM Nismo which won't make it. A tire change is recommended for Audi and Alpine VGT. (Or just ignore those, crap)
 
Not a lot of time tonight, but started by running some laps for race A, and figured a few things out. Managed to get my time down to a 56.02. I know I have a high 55 in me, minimum.

I ran 2 races. First one I started 3rd with a Q time of 56.3. 1st and 2nd were in the mid 55's. Got away well, but on lap 2 I bumped 2nd in T2 and he got really sideways. I dropped to 6th giving back his spot. Got a bit crowded, and made some mistakes with all the traffic. Ended up finishing 6th with a white S.

2nd race, I started 2nd, having dropped my time a couple tenths. Got away clean and took the lead on lap 2 for a bit, but lost it again. Had a bad lap 3 but finished strong and kept 2nd easily. Did some mid 56's but the leader finished with a couple of 55.8's to win by 2 seconds. Saw @Dairyworker in that one. He had a solid top 5 finish. Watched the replay after and he seemed to have some pace over P4, but couldn't get by. Some people are really wide when they race.:irked:

Edit: @Dairyworker , I wasn't ignoring you in the lobby, I'm just slow in chat. Had a nice greeting for you and didn't hit send quick enough. I usually do the warm up. BTW, Does anyone know if the warm up has any effect on tires at the start??
 
sturk0167
Damn, that's a lot of info. Thanks for sharing. 👍 I wouldn't have the patience to compile all that data.
Two thoughts: This --> makes it sound like the TS050 is the obvious car to use, unless there are cars that will be faster, even when using a higher fuel map setting. Is that true?

My other thought was that since all the fastest guys will probably be at race C this week, and I don't wanna get shoved out of the way, I'd be better off just using my drunk qualifying time from Sunday night. It's about 3:30. :O I'm not gonna win that race (hoping for top 10s)The idea is that instead of spending a ton of time on qualifying to get a low time, and starting in front of a bunch of people who are gonna be faster in race, keep that time and start in the bottom half, but at least in front of the people who really struggle with the track (not you, Sven. And no offense intended to anyone). Does this strategy work as well as I'm envisioning? (Can't try it until Thursday)
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I’m at 3:30 now and starting anywhere from 7th to 11th usually. Usually finish up 2-5 spots with no stop using the ‘11 Peugeot on FM3 for three laps and FM2 the rest of the way. Just trying to get out of the way of faster cars and drive smart. Somehow after my DR went from 8000 down to low 4000’s, I’m over 12,000 and sR is up. Only to a blue B at the end of races. But I had fallen from an S two weeks ago to a low low C last week. So I’ll take what I can get.
 
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I am well and truly in the doghouse (SR:C) courtesy of Fuji and questionable penalties at Le Mans. Will tidy up at FIA races tonight.
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Can someone explain the FIA races? I’ve not tried any and have no clue what they are and how they are run.
 
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