"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Veinz]

No CSA for me.

First few races tonight in B were good, then I got disconnected from the 3rd or 4th one, then in the following two races I get crashed to last place by others. I think I'm done for the night lol. I was just shy of A+ but the last two races dropped me back to pretty much exactly where I was yesterday in terms of DR points.

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

100% of the time. I tried driving the Shelby at Willow Springs without it, and could barely stay on the track. I'm too used to it, to go without it. <-------Sounds like a drug addict.

You need to get off the crack.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Only use csa with wobbly road cars e.g the Tuscan. Otherwise it just causes massive understeer.

 

[Melbourne Park]

Any of you use csa???

I had it on my Porsche GR.3 car, when I switched off the TC. Its not on my cars now. But I serve the right to turn it on again ... I'm not sure if it slows me down or speeds me up. Well .... remember turning it off with the Audi R8 GR.3 car at Nurburgring F1 track, because the car felt stiff in a couple of corners ie difficult to get the tail to swing out when in a curve when I lifted the throttle. The car was much nicer with it off. But PD made the R8 easier to handle recently. Who knows, maybe PD put in a better form of CSA into the R8 GR.3's hidden setup, standard, and the car became more fun to drive.

I got an early in the week 01:57.398 there, which at the time was top 200 for Asia. By then end of the week it was something like 380, but the times became tight. I started that week a B and got into "A" thanks to - who knows - turning that drug off did not hurt.

 

[Alpine_chap]

No CSA for me.

First few races tonight were good, then I got disconnected from the 3rd or 4th one, then in the following two races I get crashed to last place by others. I think I'm done for the night lol. I was just shy of A+ but the last two races dropped me back to pretty much exactly where I was yesterday in terms of DR points.

I think it's always a good idea to call it a night when to start dropping back. I was having some good clean, penalty free races tonight on race B. Only starting middle of the grid but driving calmly, staying out of trouble, not picking up any penalties and making up 2 or 3 positions each race, thinking this should be doing my DR rating some good. (I've been stuck on BS forever!) Then my last race it just went all scrappy, driving poorly, letting people get alongside, trying to leave them room but inevitably tapping doors and picking up penalties. At that point I think I've lost my concentration and flow, tiredness was kicking in and it's best to call it a night before anymore damage was done.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I used CSA (on weak) for my first 5000 races. Then I turned it off and noticed no difference... That is, as long as I don't get punted. It did help get the car back in line after getting knocked into a skid or off road. I do avoid skidding like the plague though so I don't usually need to counter steer. Yet perhaps that's why I totally suck at race A, I can't keep that thing on the road.

I do use TCS on 2. I tried without but it's too sensitive for me on a DS4. Or rather not enough sensation left in my index finger. I did succeed with MT today! It's odd, I always blamed the pain in my thumb on using the face buttons, yet it comes from using my index finger in an uncomfortable way (using R1 and R2 both or trying to drive without TCS) After I turned TCS back on, shifting went fine with X and square. Better late than never.

I'm back to weaving through the field, though dropped to C/S in the learning process. Back 'up' to 9.4k after that 2nd place.

I should have tried to go back to manual sooner, it's damn nice to use a strategic shift to turn the car a bit more instead of lifting off the throttle. Not dropping too low in gears makes cornering easier as well. I do still need to get used to having to shift at race start and not approach T1 while bouncing off the limiter in first gear

 

[O604]

I hit my aim for Race A qualifying, 3 laps of 2:15. So I tried a race.

Only 10 cars. Started 3rd. Pole was around 2:12. Rest of the cars around 2:20.

Went from 3rd to last on T1/pushed from behind and spun out. Made it back to 5th. Gained around 50 DR. SR was 87 now 91. Somehow managed a clean race. Among some... aggressive drivers.

Back to hibernating. Sport mode races lately...not my crowd/not my kind of thing.

 

[Veinz]

At that point I think I've lost my concentration and flow, tiredness was kicking in and it's best to call it a night before anymore damage was done.

Oh man, for me online racing is mentally exhausting, once I start to lose focus I need to quit or else I’m just a hazard.

 

[Rexracer702]

I drive with no assists(except ABS), but I may turn CSA on for the A race. Still haven't gotten through the esses at speed. I've only raced 2 B races this week so far...I'm really off the pace everywhere, but closest there. Seems to be an SR killer. No matter how close I stay to the car in front, someone from behind has to force their way through, usually costing me. 2 races and I dropped 1k DR and 20 points SR. To be fair, the last race lost me 250 DR with neutral SR, even though I started and finished 8th. Number plate was 13, so I thought I would have gained. Maybe I'll jump into C and take it easy at the back. The Vette felt good there to me, though I'm slow in everything I've tried. Maybe following some people will get me up to speed.

 

[ScottPuss20]

I had a relatively easy day at the office yesterday, getting 2 wins and a second. I did the Honda Beat race and started in 7th, not thinking I had much of a chance. Then again my qualifying time wasn't indicative of my pace, and I got to second. I then did the Group 3 race at Maggiore in the Porsche and started first, which was surprising. I wasn't challenged for the entirety of the race and won. I then gave the Beat race a second crack from third on the grid. I got into the lead with a 1 second penalty to serve, but I gained soo much time that it didn't matter, and I won again. A good day then.

 

[Invisigoth]

100% of the time. I tried driving the Shelby at Willow Springs without it, and could barely stay on the track. I'm too used to it, to go without it. <-------Sounds like a drug addict.

Mate, I use whatever help I can get to stay on the track! There are some whiners with a bug up their arse who insist that using driver aids, specifically TC and CSA is cheating and shouldn't be allowed in the game. I say 🤬 you! This may be a driving simulator, but it *is* still a game, and not everyone has the time to waste. The whole point of having these in the game was to allow people to be able to get around and still have some control, particuarly those with little experience. If you want to be an elitist snob, there are plenty of lobbies you can go pound sand in.

 

[Melbourne Park]

I had a relatively easy day at the office yesterday, getting 2 wins and a second. I did the Honda Beat race and started in 7th, not thinking I had much of a chance. Then again my qualifying time wasn't indicative of my pace, and I got to second. I then did the Group 3 race at Maggiore in the Porsche and started first, which was surprising. I wasn't challenged for the entirety of the race and won. I then gave the Beat race a second crack from third on the grid. I got into the lead with a 1 second penalty to serve, but I gained soo much time that it didn't matter, and I won again. A good day then.

Just wondering what PSN did you use for those races as their are lots guys here from these races!

 

[VolkswagenX]

From what I can see your quali is now lower than the optimal in that post. Nice driving!

Thanks! Happy with hitting my target lap in the 1.57s, but was really frustrating to get there. even lost .5s compared to my previous best in the first sector on that lap.

My next mission is increasing DR and SR.

 

[05XR8]

Results

Mixed up the racing a bit as I had time.
Citroen 👍
Viper
R8 👍
M3 👍
Beat

The Citroen was an all-rounder. Sounds like a Slophy(must be a French thing), but faster. Excellent tyre wear and fuel economy. I'm done with saving both. Good car.

Viper Viper Viper. Glorious. The thing got better WITH tyre wear. Crazy. I started from last place and my finish behind the Huracan tells the story. That car pitted one lap later, while I did an early stop, to avoid a traffic build up. I've raced against that player many times. Usually he/she qualifies higher than me. So, I knew I could push my car and I'd be given room. Also, that player doesn't block, brake check or do other silly things. Awesome last few laps. Viper was so strong.

I was a little scared of the R8. The Circuit Experience at Brands Hatch, just drains me in that car. Really dislike it when I start a new game. However, it behaved itself. TCS 2 and brake bias at 2 to the rear. Not a tyre misplaced.

The virtual sound of the M3 using hood cam, is awesome. It wails towards redline. Made the racing enjoyable. I wasn't too impressed by a Beetle that didn't give me much room on the climb at the last part of the circuit. Lost my clean bonus with the orange arrow.

"Gimme a beat!" That's how the song goes. Would love to own one in real life. I was a little puzzled with its grip, then, no grip, controlled slide, then, it wants to do the electric sliiiiiiiiiide. Went from last, to grabbing 4th by 1 second.

Really want to get in the 458 and Mustang tonight.

 

[GT5Power]

Mate, I use whatever help I can get to stay on the track! There are some whiners with a bug up their arse who insist that using driver aids, specifically TC and CSA is cheating and shouldn't be allowed in the game. I say 🤬 you! This may be a driving simulator, but it *is* still a game, and not everyone has the time to waste. The whole point of having these in the game was to allow people to be able to get around and still have some control, particuarly those with little experience. If you want to be an elitist snob, there are plenty of lobbies you can go pound sand in.

Agreed 100%. The difference is that I don’t use TCS, but that’s because it objectively slows one down. Controllers just don’t have the input smoothness needed to handle a car consistently without CSA, at least as far as I’m concerned (controller aliens would beg to differ ). I started using its GT6 counterpart SRF when my wheel gave out and CSA is helping me a lot in GT Sport as well. There’s no rule that says don’t use it, so it’s not cheating

 

[Pigems]

Time to work on Race B tonight I think, a 58.7 just isn’t gonna cut the mustard. I don’t know if I’m gonna stick with the Porsche or try something else yet though, any suggestions?

 

[ShiftingGears]

DC bug again, very frustrating. Would be nice to know if PD have at least acknowledged it as a bug they haven't fixed in four months.

On a more positive note, went from 4th to 9th to 1st in race C.

 

[Lost Sheltie]

I did a 1:56.7 after 4 laps with the VW Beetle, so might be worth a look. It's quite good in the twisty stuff in the middle and at the end of the lap, and pretty stable. Admittedly I haven't really tried anything else, just wanted to do a time in case I fancied giving race B a go this week. Audi is the fastest car though, if you can handle the twitchiness.

 

[ShiftingGears]

I did a 1:56.7 after 4 laps with the VW Beetle, so might be worth a look. It's quite good in the twisty stuff in the middle and at the end of the lap, and pretty stable. Admittedly I haven't really tried anything else, just wanted to do a time in case I fancied giving race B a go this week. Audi is the fastest car though, if you can handle the twitchiness.

I am reasonably quick with the Audi but it is easy to lose tenths here and there being a drift king. At least since the physics update you can hold the slides for several seconds rather than spinning off, which makes for good entertainment.

 

[Invisigoth]

Race B tonight. What a waste of time . Couldn't beat my previous qualifying time with the NSX so I started P7/14 on a mixed grid. The mix of cars was pretty good. First 8 positions were different cars.

Race starts, and T1 is a mess. It only got worse from there. I kept getting knocked by people trying to steal the inside when I was already committed to the corner while they were behind me with no overlap. I got knocked off and ended up in P12. By which stage I was tottaly hacked off and I did little braking and mostly extreme changes in direction. My final lap resembled and old RWD rally lap. Clocked up 8s of penalties, but I didn't give a crap, I just wanted to finish the race. No Race C for me tonight, I'm far too 🤬 off to be racing rationally.

 

[05XR8]

Results:

Ferrari is fast.
Ford is faster.
Jaguar is fastest! Got fastest lap on my second set of tyres at lap 8. 2:07.152. Got pipped by a Huracan on the last lap. 2:07,133,

 

[Rexracer702]

Mate, I use whatever help I can get to stay on the track! There are some whiners with a bug up their arse who insist that using driver aids, specifically TC and CSA is cheating and shouldn't be allowed in the game. I say 🤬 you! This may be a driving simulator, but it *is* still a game, and not everyone has the time to waste. The whole point of having these in the game was to allow people to be able to get around and still have some control, particuarly those with little experience. If you want to be an elitist snob, there are plenty of lobbies you can go pound sand in.

I don't use assists because I like the challenge, and I think it's more realistic. If I was in the market for a track car, I wouldn't buy one that had TC orASM that couldn't be turned off. I tried ASM in GTS and didn't like it. I like being loose, and steering with the throttle. I'm not a fan of FF or even 4WD. When I tried ASM and pushed, I would over correct and crash because I corrected for a slide and then the ASM would kick in and my correction was too much.
I may have to try the CSA in race A at least, since I have yet to make it through a lap without loosing it in the esses. I don't count the couple of laps where I killed all my speed before entering them since that also kills your lap time, and would never work in a race.
I do wish I could tell what assists people are using, just to know when comparing times, and to see if my goals, without aids, are even reasonable.

 

[Melbourne Park]

Results:

Ferrari is fast.
Ford is faster.
Jaguar is fastest! Got fastest lap on my second set of tyres at lap 8. 2:07.152. Got pipped by a Huracan on the last lap. 2:07,133,

I had two races tonight, and in the second, you came 6th in the Jag and I was in a green Megane (blitztoo). I am a bit afraid of the pits at the moment because I fear hitting the wrong buttons and not refuelling, so in the first race I wondered about the fuel and I got to the finish, came second too. I thought i saw you in that race at before the start too???

In the next race, you were there ... I may have helped you too because there was a crash sort of guy in a Hurican who hit me in the back as I defended before the final chicane (off I went but I got out of it OK) and the chap then collided with another car and you came along at the chicane before the start straight and through you went past both of them!!! When you pitted you were not far behind me. I kept going and was second for quite a while still trying to work out if 4 laps of fuel mean't I could add 4 to my lap and still not run out, or should I add another lap. An advantage of the wheel is you have a spare hand to count the laps with your fingers! But I lost my second place to a Porsche (and a Porsche won) - both those guys ran low 2.05s in the race. So third was OK!! My front tyres ran out and if I had of preserved them better, maybe I could have gotten second. But the Porsche looks a "mega" car to me, but the winner certainly knew how to preserve his tyres, I checked his tyres and their wear was even. My fonts were half gone and the rears were brand new.

And Oh I ran the ASM in the Megane as I played with the brake balance - I reckon it did not hurt.

NevilleNobody - GO FOR IT MAN!!!! I am hoping the game is nice to you and gives you an easy win with a kind group of drivers and a super bonus, you've been awesome.

 

[esoxhntr]

I do wish I could tell what assists people are using, just to know when comparing times, and to see if my goals, without aids, are even reasonable.

you will have to take my word for it but i am down to a 2:10.972 on race A. DS4, no assists other than ABS default. osprey73 is PSN

 

[Rexracer702]

you will have to take my word for it but i am down to a 2:10.972 on race A. DS4, no assists other than ABS default. osprey73 is PSN

That, my friend, is impressive.
I don't want to insult any DS4 users...definitely not my intention but I know there are some kinds of built in "assists" compared to a wheel. They also have their own set of challenges. I wish we could find out exactly what is different. I used a controller for GT1, but by GT3 I was on a wheel. I noticed then that cars were much less stable with the wheel, but fine control is much easier. I guess whet I really want to know is, ultimately, is one faster than the other. If a computer ran a perfect line with wheel physics and controller physics, what would the time difference be, if anything.

 

[watto79]

That, my friend, is impressive.
I don't want to insult any DS4 users...definitely not my intention but I know there are some kinds of built in "assists" compared to a wheel. They also have their own set of challenges. I wish we could find out exactly what is different. I used a controller for GT1, but by GT3 I was on a wheel. I noticed then that cars were much less stable with the wheel, but fine control is much easier. I guess whet I really want to know is, ultimately, is one faster than the other. If a computer ran a perfect line with wheel physics and controller physics, what would the time difference be, if anything.

While not quite what you are looking for you should watch this. Super GT is (was) a long time controller user and recently moved to the wheel. He does a very interesting comparison between the two.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Agreed 100%. The difference is that I don’t use TCS, but that’s because it objectively slows one down. Controllers just don’t have the input smoothness needed to handle a car consistently without CSA, at least as far as I’m concerned (controller aliens would beg to differ ). I started using its GT6 counterpart SRF when my wheel gave out and CSA is helping me a lot in GT Sport as well. There’s no rule that says don’t use it, so it’s not cheating

CSA helps catch your slide if you apply too much throttle without TCS. Using one or the other helps you be more stable, both is a bit over kill I think. I like TCS more as I'm smoother with steering input on the DS4 than throttle control. Plus I usually have enough to worry about at corner exit avoiding cars to concentrate on getting my index finger to comply. Some cars don't need TCS though and you can simply go full throttle at corner exit regardless, not sure if it still slows you down.

Mate, I use whatever help I can get to stay on the track! There are some whiners with a bug up their arse who insist that using driver aids, specifically TC and CSA is cheating and shouldn't be allowed in the game. I say 🤬 you! This may be a driving simulator, but it *is* still a game, and not everyone has the time to waste. The whole point of having these in the game was to allow people to be able to get around and still have some control, particuarly those with little experience. If you want to be an elitist snob, there are plenty of lobbies you can go pound sand in.

Which is very much appreciated by others on the track! One of the most received penalty (by me) is from people spinning out on corner exit and tapping my car on their way into the grass. Another no aids hero, thanks for the 3 sec and SR hit. Hence I use TCS to always be stable on corner exit to avoid cars spinning out!

I don't use assists because I like the challenge, and I think it's more realistic. If I was in the market for a track car, I wouldn't buy one that had TC orASM that couldn't be turned off. I tried ASM in GTS and didn't like it. I like being loose, and steering with the throttle. I'm not a fan of FF or even 4WD. When I tried ASM and pushed, I would over correct and crash because I corrected for a slide and then the ASM would kick in and my correction was too much.
I may have to try the CSA in race A at least, since I have yet to make it through a lap without loosing it in the esses. I don't count the couple of laps where I killed all my speed before entering them since that also kills your lap time, and would never work in a race.
I do wish I could tell what assists people are using, just to know when comparing times, and to see if my goals, without aids, are even reasonable.

don't be this guy

I might have to try race A with CSA, or just leave it. It's so slow my brain can't wrap around the fact I have to slow down for what looks like a nearly straight road

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

I was having fun with Race A last night until my last race where I was dive bombed on the downhill esses at Turn 7. Clearing that complex is so crucial for the entire last sector and that Beat takes forever to get up to speed. By the time I hit the full speed esses I was frazzled and pulled way too much whip back on the exit slamming into the wall and totally tanking my last lap. I went from 2nd to 4th place. It would have been worse if the cars behind me didn't get over excited and blow wide on that last sweeping turn, as the 5th place car reached all the way up to my door panel as we passed the finish line.

The driver who rammed me into the wall had been bumping me the entire race as he was a bit faster in the middle of some esses even though he'd blow the exit. I declared him REPORTED in the text and just as I was about to report him he apologized. So I messaged back "Ok. I won't report." just barely after he typed, "I reported you too." Which was a bit confusing because I had a blue S rating from the race. Fine, I reported him anyways.

Race B was much better. People were still excessively aggressive trying to hog up the early apex line at almost every sweeping turn but at those speeds they can't hold onto the line forever so it was easy just aim a bit later on the turn and pass them. I did exploit the inside rumble strips at times, hugging the inside on the low speed turns as nobody appears to respect car overlap heading into those.

 

[Dairyworker]

I managed to get my A time down to 2.16.0 still need to find more time but i am finally improving. If i can run in the 15's consistently i will join races.

I only asked about asm use out of curiosity. I dont really care what people use, but i like to know if i am using the same tools to try and get the job done. I have never tried it myself...

 

[Alpine_chap]

I used CSA (on weak) for my first 5000 races. Then I turned it off and noticed no difference... That is, as long as I don't get punted. It did help get the car back in line after getting knocked into a skid or off road. I do avoid skidding like the plague though so I don't usually need to counter steer. Yet perhaps that's why I totally suck at race A, I can't keep that thing on the road.

I do use TCS on 2. I tried without but it's too sensitive for me on a DS4. Or rather not enough sensation left in my index finger. I did succeed with MT today! It's odd, I always blamed the pain in my thumb on using the face buttons, yet it comes from using my index finger in an uncomfortable way (using R1 and R2 both or trying to drive without TCS) After I turned TCS back on, shifting went fine with X and square. Better late than never.

I'm back to weaving through the field, though dropped to C/S in the learning process. Back 'up' to 9.4k after that 2nd place.

I should have tried to go back to manual sooner, it's damn nice to use a strategic shift to turn the car a bit more instead of lifting off the throttle. Not dropping too low in gears makes cornering easier as well. I do still need to get used to having to shift at race start and not approach T1 while bouncing off the limiter in first gear

You would have finished 3rd of course, had I still been in the lobby! Just kidding, I probably would have spun off and finished way down the order, it was getting to that stage of the night so I called it quits.