"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[NevilleNobody]

Only squeezing in two race C's per night but managed a 2nd and a win. Weird races both of 'em. The win came after the lead car, who was FLYING around some 2 seconds a lap faster than me, forgot to refuel and had to pit twice. he still damn well nearly caught me but i hung on.

In the first race, i will upset some people here, but one of those forehead slapping south american drivers that HAS TO GET PAST YOU the second he's on you.

I'm in the TT, which is fast over a lap but by the 4th lap on used rubber is a bugger to drive, it's lap 8 he is barrelling along some 3 seconds per lap faster than me. I know he is coming and I know the TT is a beast on the straights so i take the defensive line, concentrating on good exits. He was SO MUCh faster than me though, he could have lined me up, taken a wide entry and long straight exit and he would have passed me into any of the heavy braking zones. I don't weave but i reserve the right to race and take a defensive line with a lap to go. Instead he was all over me, nudging, bumping, pushing, trying to pass in the fiddly turn 2-4 complex ..... like buddy, race.... race ... find a clean way past, it's more satisfying.

Idiot.

DR is at 29,700 ...... never thought i'd get to DR A but with my SR at 53 right now i am being matched against weaker DRB drivers and i am finishing top 3 relentlessly in Race C.

 

[Voodoovaj]

I don't understand why anyone is using CSA, especially for this week's races and with the latest update.

(Red bull ring excepted) The cars needs to be loose to get around this week's tracks fast. They need to rotate and, I would say, the even need to hang the tail out to an extent. Like, at Lago, climbing up the hill after turn 5, I find that the fastest cars are slightly drifting. I don't want that corrected.

CSA and TCS should be off at all times with all cars. There is no excuse aside from a complete unwillingness to become accustomed to it.

 

[Invisigoth]

I don't use assists because I like the challenge, and I think it's more realistic. If I was in the market for a track car, I wouldn't buy one that had TC orASM that couldn't be turned off. I tried ASM in GTS and didn't like it. I like being loose, and steering with the throttle. I'm not a fan of FF or even 4WD. When I tried ASM and pushed, I would over correct and crash because I corrected for a slide and then the ASM would kick in and my correction was too much.

I can understand that. I have a similar problem with ABS IRL. "I got this nan, you don't need to be making with the *thump*thump*thump* under my foot" . I'm not sure about "realistic" though. TC is used in real race cars. Manufacturer teams arn't going to waste time developing systems and adding levels of complexity to a vehicle if there isn't something to be gained from it .

Some cars don't need TCS though and you can simply go full throttle at corner exit regardless, not sure if it still slows you down.

I've found the Gr4 WRX seems to be easier to get around the track with TCS off. Some of the MR/FRs seems to turn more easily with it reduced. Whilst I'm sure it's possible to get things under control with no aids using a DS4, it takes more time than I have, or my hands can handle .

 

[Voodoovaj]

I can understand that. I have a similar problem with ABS IRL. "I got this nan, you don't need to be making with the *thump*thump*thump* under my foot" . I'm not sure about "realistic" though. TC is used in real race cars. Manufacturer teams arn't going to waste time developing systems and adding levels of complexity to a vehicle if there isn't something to be gained from it .

But real life systems and the GTS system are entirely different.

On the average street car, TCS saves corporations from lawsuits. In performance cars, the systems work hand in hand with the rest of the stability management to ensure the fastest lap time. Race cars are the same in this regard. They still spin the tires, but it's the proper amount for a great corner exit. If you get this wrong, like some do, you either spin to much or not enough. There's also a degree of adjustability to suit the driver.

In GTS, it is completely a game aid. There is no aspect that gives you "just the right amount". It's just 5 increments of slip avoidance.

There is a system underneath the UI that does traction control as well. You can feel it at work. There isn't always a 1:1 connection between your input and the wheel spin. THAT is what a real life TCS system is like.

 

[Pigems]

I managed to get my A time down to 2.16.0 still need to find more time but i am finally improving. If i can run in the 15's consistently i will join races.

I only asked about asm use out of curiosity. I dont really care what people use, but i like to know if i am using the same tools to try and get the job done. I have never tried it myself...

CSA really stabilizes the Beat, I tried it for a few laps last night, it slowed me down a bit but the car was much more stable through the corners and esses. Definitely give it a shot if you get a chance, it seems a good fit for that car if you’re struggling with it.

 

[sturk0167]

I managed to get my A time down to 2.16.0 still need to find more time but i am finally improving. If i can run in the 15's consistently i will join races.

I only asked about asm use out of curiosity. I dont really care what people use, but i like to know if i am using the same tools to try and get the job done. I have never tried it myself...

There's only been 1 car/track combo where ASM made me faster. It was at Big Willow with some kind of ill-handling BMW. I think most people were using it in that race. Otherwise, it is almost always slower. If you start to slide, it retards the engine.

 

[Groundfish]

Well, it’s been some time off for me sans some offline stuff, but I won’t miss a Nurb GP daily. Woke up before the sun to put in a few qual laps. Maggiore...I will probably run it, but it’s not my best track. I seem to always get my best times in my preferred car. I tried a few diff cars on Maggiore, and I’m always slower. That track is nice, but it’s width can invite mayhem if you make an error...
I definitely notice on gr4 at least it’s much easier to run without tcs. I dunno if it was the update or something, but the cars seem to make section 1 Nurb GP more easily now, like there more grip...Something is up...
Anyways good luck out there, hope to see ya in the heat of battle!

 

[fastone371]

Thank you Sir, this is such a Funstrating car, I love it!

Check this out, bottom of the last hill(1:51 in the Video), I can’t beleive I didn’t get a penalty for going off the road there, I got lucky.

Nice lap, I'm assuming you use a wheel? I was using my wheel until Monday afternoon then I finally had to send it back to Fanatec for repair so I'm going to be down about a month. That's the same way I drove the lap in the Beat, very controlled and no sliding yet you look at many of the top times and they slide all over the track. I guess you are not allowed to drive the same with a wheel as the DS4. I tried my DS4 there and bettered my wheel time in only 3 laps but it was all for naught as I am on vacation till I get my wheel back now.

 

[Pigems]

Nice lap, I'm assuming you use a wheel? I was using my wheel until Monday afternoon then I finally had to send it back to Fanatec for repair so I'm going to be down about a month. That's the same way I drove the lap in the Beat, very controlled and no sliding yet you look at many of the top times and they slide all over the track. I guess you are not allowed to drive the same with a wheel as the DS4. I tried my DS4 there and bettered my wheel time in only 3 laps but it was all for naught as I am on vacation till I get my wheel back now.

Thanks, I do use a wheel yes, a T300 GT, just got it not long ago, I used a DFGT before that. Nice work! I actually saw your post about that earlier and tried the DS4 last night, I’m VERY rusty with it and clocked a very twitchy 2:30 something lap haha, the next couple weren’t much better so I put it away lol, it was worth a shot though. I use X and Square for inputs and D pad to steer so I wasn’t expecting to get faster really.

What happened to your wheel?

 

[NevilleNobody]

I don't understand why anyone is using CSA, especially for this week's races and with the latest update.

(Red bull ring excepted) The cars needs to be loose to get around this week's tracks fast. They need to rotate and, I would say, the even need to hang the tail out to an extent. Like, at Lago, climbing up the hill after turn 5, I find that the fastest cars are slightly drifting. I don't want that corrected.

CSA and TCS should be off at all times with all cars. There is no excuse aside from a complete unwillingness to become accustomed to it.

It's not that simple. CSA/ASM is useful if using a controller and driving massively loose cars, the Tuscan at RBR last week had severe lift and turn in oversteer, without the ability to do super smooth inputs and little micro corrections a wheel allows, CSA helped make it livable.

With TC, some of us still use the X button. I know it ain't right but it is what it is and without TC we'd be dog slow.

I don't understand why it bothers you so much, it's pretty black and white that if you're good enough not to use these aids you will ultimately be faster, so it's not like mediocre drivers using aids are crushing the best out there, it's ultimately faster to switch everything off. heck, using TC at say NGP, coming out of the last chicane, you WILL bog down, in some cases a lot, even with TC1.

 

[sturk0167]

I use X and Square for inputs and D pad to steer so I wasn’t expecting to get faster really.

......... 2:10.9

 

[Groundfish]

It's not that simple. CSA/ASM is useful if using a controller and driving massively loose cars, the Tuscan at RBR last week had severe lift and turn in oversteer, without the ability to do super smooth inputs and little micro corrections a wheel allows, CSA helped make it livable.

With TC, some of us still use the X button. I know it ain't right but it is what it is and without TC we'd be dog slow.

I don't understand why it bothers you so much, it's pretty black and white that if you're good enough not to use these aids you will ultimately be faster, so it's not like mediocre drivers using aids are crushing the best out there, it's ultimately faster to switch everything off. heck, using TC at say NGP, coming out of the last chicane, you WILL bog down, in some cases a lot, even with TC1.

@NevilleNobody

I think you gotta run what you’re comfortable with also.
Hot lap is also different from race where there’s a chance of contact. ASM and tc make handling tough situations during race much easier.
If a driver is comfortable running alfresco ok but no one should tell others how to race.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I would understand it if it was inherently faster, but it clearly isn't. i am fastest in the Group 4 lambo because i can switch off TC with it, there's just no lag. If i do that with the Merc for example, spin city.

 

[Pigems]

......... 2:10.9

Son of a..... Nice Lap Man!!

 

[esoxhntr]

......... 2:10.9

congrats!! you bumped me down to 44 LOL!

 

[sturk0167]

congrats!! you bumped me down to 44 LOL!

I'm sure you'll be bumping me down, at some point. 👍
@Oshawa-Joe is almost down to the :09s!
I'm a little disappointed that @suprajef hasn't shown up, to post an :08 or something crazy like that.

 

[Dairyworker]

I now have a sore back, a six foot tall snow bank and the day off work. Lets see what i can do with that honda this afrernoon, after lunch with the wife (who is giving me dirty looks as i type this lol) I did a couple races this morning and it wasn't as bad as i expected it to be, I was mid pack each race. I really want to get down to a low 15 or 14. The guys on my list i am usually competitive with are running 13's and 12's

 

[esoxhntr]

I'm sure you'll be bumping me down, at some point. 👍
@Oshawa-Joe is almost down to the :09s!
I'm disappointed that @suprajef hasn't shown up, to post an :08 or something crazy like that.

i see places where i could gain but i think i am nearing the limits of my ability. with some good mojo i can see a 2:10.5xx or so.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

CSA and TCS should be off at all times with all cars. There is no excuse aside from a complete unwillingness to become accustomed to it.

Sorry buddy, I got about an hour a day to play games and I'd rather play games with the CSA set to weak than juggle the car's weight back and forth while careening towards an apex. I did enough of that on GT6 to accept that my thumbs are too twitchy to keep the balance straight all of the time.

I'm not doing it for myself, I'm doing it out of consideration for the other drivers that probably wouldn't prefer me ping ponging off of them allover the track. I don't understand why you're so concerned about it though, ultimately it makes me slower.

 

[Vegard]

Almost no one on the Americas server are doing the no stop in race C. I think I've seen 2 or 3 others doing it so far.
I'm not complaining though, my Slophy is racking up wins left, right and center.

 

[Voodoovaj]

It's not that simple. CSA/ASM is useful if using a controller and driving massively loose cars, the Tuscan at RBR last week had severe lift and turn in oversteer, without the ability to do super smooth inputs and little micro corrections a wheel allows, CSA helped make it livable.

With TC, some of us still use the X button. I know it ain't right but it is what it is and without TC we'd be dog slow.

I don't understand why it bothers you so much, it's pretty black and white that if you're good enough not to use these aids you will ultimately be faster, so it's not like mediocre drivers using aids are crushing the best out there, it's ultimately faster to switch everything off. heck, using TC at say NGP, coming out of the last chicane, you WILL bog down, in some cases a lot, even with TC1.

Oh it doesn't bothers me at all. In fact, I am a proponent of allowing aids all the time. To each his own, but at the same time, people are wondering why they aren't faster, but they are using wonky setups that will inevitably lead to slower times, regardless of how quick you may be.

d-pad for steering and buttons for acceleration and braking are by far the worst set ups, and I guarantee that, given the time to acclimate, everyone would gain time by moving away from that set up, which as you point out, almost demands the addition of CSA, TCS, and maybe SRS as well.

I use a controller. I've mentioned my set up many, many times. Triggers for acceleration and braking. This is a necessity IMHO. The buttons are simply not sensitive enough to properly modulate the inputs. Left analog for steering, because again, you need to have that finer control. And I put shifting on the right stick so I don't have to lift from the brake or throttle to shift. I find it's the absolute best (controller) set up with the least compromise. I find it's the next best thing to having a wheel in terms of isolating the inputs.

Case in point, my favourite, the GR3 Huracan. At Lago, driving the Huracan is an exercise in feathering the throttle and brake simultaneously. I don't think there is more than one place in the lap where I am off the throttle completely for more than a moment, even under full braking. I use the throttle to balance the car while braking, and that's just not possible when using the same thumb for both inputs. I also find I am holding a slight bit of steering input during slides, which again, simply isn't possible if I weren't using the analog.

But to reiterate, it doesn't bother me that it's used. It bothers me when it's used and then people wonder why they aren't faster.

 

[Flash_Sweden]

I love Lago Maggiore GP. It’s awesome. I spent last night struggling to get near my best time of 1:58,8xx, that I got on Monday. Very low 59’s, but never better.
Today, I started work at 4 pm, so I spent the morning doing races, with practice between races.
The first race had the 7th fastest guy in EMEA on pole. After that short panning over the top 3, I never saw him again Didn’t get a win, but got higher within DR B 👍
And then, straight out of nowhere, I noticed my BB had been changed. Set it back to -3 (I think), and I was flying...sort of New best time is 1:58,377, and I should be able to get a high 57 before the week is over. Maybe even low 57. I’m also starting to do qualify without TCS, but can’t be bothered racing without it. Not with “everyone” else using CSA 🤬

 

[Voodoovaj]

I love Lago Maggiore GP. It’s awesome. I spent last night struggling to get near my best time of 1:58,8xx, that I got on Monday. Very low 59’s, but never better.
Today, I started work at 4 pm, so I spent the morning doing races, with practice between races.
The first race had the 7th fastest guy in EMEA on pole. After that short panning over the top 3, I never saw him again Didn’t get a win, but got higher within DR B 👍
And then, straight out of nowhere, I noticed my BB had been changed. Set it back to -3 (I think), and I was flying...sort of New best time is 1:58,377, and I should be able to get a high 57 before the week is over. Maybe even low 57. I’m also starting to do qualify without TCS, but can’t be bothered racing without it. Not with “everyone” else using CSA 🤬

If the BB is changed in race, it doesn't always save it to the set up. It has to be changed in the set up sheet to be guaranteed that it sticks.

 

[Flash_Sweden]

If the BB is changed in race, it doesn't always save it to the set up. It has to be changed in the set up sheet to be guaranteed that it sticks.

I know that, I had just completely forgotten that I’d changed back to -2 for comparison. It’s stuck at -3 now

 

[NevilleNobody]

Almost no one on the Americas server are doing the no stop in race C. I think I've seen 2 or 3 others doing it so far.
I'm not complaining though, my Slophy is racking up wins left, right and center.

I did it twice, won once and fell from 1st to 6th the other time.

With AT, i am not convinced it is the faster option as only the megane Trophy really pulls it off without excruciating tyre wear or FM6 which gets you eaten alive. On fresh rubber, i am 3 to 6 seconds a lap faster than 7 lap old tyres and FM4 for example.

What does a stop cost you? 20 seconds?

Will try again tonight and see but i suspect a one stop with the lambo is faster than a no stop Megane trophy.

 

[Pigems]

If the BB is changed in race, it doesn't always save it to the set up. It has to be changed in the set up sheet to be guaranteed that it sticks.

I’ve noticed some cars don’t let you change BB on the set up sheet(in Sport Mode), it’s locked until you get on the track. I wonder why you can change it on track but not before hand?

 

[Litchi]

I’ve noticed some cars don’t let you change BB on the set up sheet(in Sport Mode), it’s locked until you get on the track. I wonder why you can change it on track but not before hand?

I think that it's for Race A where the cars are provided by the game. Since it's not your car, you can't change anything in the setup sheet I think.

 

[nuu1212]

Disconnect problems, anyone ???

Out of more than 16, nobody wanted to take the challenge...
Still trying to think of the most ridiculous caption for this...

- Mommiiiiee, why nobody want to play with me ???
- Still managed to get SR- on this race !!!
- Don't mess with the GT Planet mods, otherwise strange thing will happen...

 

[Sven Jurgens]

- Still managed to get SR- on this race !!!

Did you manage to hit the pit wall? That's the only way you can get SR Down by yourself on the track.

I guess the game gave you a time out

 

[Voodoovaj]

I’ve noticed some cars don’t let you change BB on the set up sheet(in Sport Mode), it’s locked until you get on the track. I wonder why you can change it on track but not before hand?

I think that it's for Race A where the cars are provided by the game. Since it's not your car, you can't change anything in the setup sheet I think.

BINGO. Since the car in race A is given by the game, you cannot save the setup, ergo you can't change the set up.