"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Pigems]

Why limit Q laps? I do more of those than I ever do racing, I’d have nothing to do lol.

 

[Rexracer702]

View attachment 806316 I have to go back in time to the games release.
The system was quite good except that you could get punted under braking then penalized. Fix that.
To me link dr to sr more directly. Make any contact from car behind the car behinds fault.
At least make it strict again.
I’ll be on alt account going forward. Oh yeah limit qual laps per player to 10 for the week.

I like the contact from behind idea, with one change. They need to reverse the penalty if the guy in front brakes earlier than normal for a corner, or brakes in the middle of the straight. If they limit Q then they would need a timed, free practice that counted on the boards or there would be no way for most of us to improve times.

 

[sturk0167]

I'm 2 seconds slower at Fuji with my wheel and pedals than with my controller. It's mostly because of the steering. It's just sloppy and all over the place. I can be way more precise with the controller. Getting close to giving up on the wheel.

From my experience, thus far, I believe that switching to a wheel absolutely will not make you faster, unless maybe you're someone who's not good with a controller. I get that it can add some realism to the game, but I couldn't care less about that. I wanna go fast!

 

[stpatty]

Does anyone remember doing Gr.4 at Suzuka the last time it came up? My qualifying time then was 2:10.8 in the Huracan. I'm at 10.6 just now after only 10 or so laps (and entering a race qualified 14th behind a sea of Audis) but I really don't feel comfortable or confident with it. I know there's been a physics/tyre update since the last time but I just can't get into a flow of any kind.

 

[weazelgt]

I'm 2 seconds slower at Fuji with my wheel and pedals than with my controller. It's mostly because of the steering. It's just sloppy and all over the place. I can be way more precise with the controller. Getting close to giving up on the wheel.

From my experience, thus far, I believe that switching to a wheel absolutely will not make you faster, unless maybe you're someone who's not good with a controller. I get that it can add some realism to the game, but I couldn't care less about that. I wanna go fast!

In my opinion the wheel won't make you faster. What the wheel will do is help with tire wear and give you a more immersive experience. I would rather have the experience than be quicker, I don't race just to win... I play because it's fun and the wheel is vastly more fun.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

I'm 2 seconds slower at Fuji with my wheel and pedals than with my controller. It's mostly because of the steering. It's just sloppy and all over the place. I can be way more precise with the controller. Getting close to giving up on the wheel.

From my experience, thus far, I believe that switching to a wheel absolutely will not make you faster, unless maybe you're someone who's not good with a controller. I get that it can add some realism to the game, but I couldn't care less about that. I wanna go fast!

Just give it more time. Your pedals and your wheel have way more range and fidelity than the centimeters of range that a controller provides. I'd imagine it will take some time to learn the proper input gradients for the proper effect as if you had to relearn the controller from scratch.

Also, Fuji seems like a horrible track to learn the wheel on, since the Supra can be so erratic during the oversteer requiring excessive ad hoc adjustments to correct the car.

 

[AK84LFC]

I guess he wasn’t a ghost for me. He was scrubbing a penalty and was also ghosting for another 2 seconds he hit me.

Should be a gif. Not sure if it’s working.

 

[Leftcurl]

I remember seeing a couple of years back on a tech show that the recommended viewing distance is '1.5 x Screen Size'. Mine is pretty much bang on that actually.

jeez, i play on a 3m wide projector screen and sit about 3m away
I find it great but if someone else comes and tries it out they say they get motion sickness

 

[sturk0167]

Just give it more time. Your pedals and your wheel have way more range and fidelity than the centimeters of range that a controller provides. I'd imagine it will take some time to learn the proper input gradients for the proper effect as if you had to relearn the controller from scratch.

Also, Fuji seems like a horrible track to learn the wheel on, since the Supra can be so erratic during the oversteer requiring excessive ad hoc adjustments to correct the car.

I haven't thrown it in the dumpster, yet. It seems like the car takes longer to react to wheel and pedal inputs than controller. It may be hundredths of a second, but it makes a huge difference.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I attempted another race at Autopolis. Still too early to start from the back as the cars around me had no clue and either braked way too early wobbling through the corners or too late bumping me off after I passed their wobbliness. Not that I'm any good. After the update I'm another second slower, 1:42 laps lol. Perhaps I should turn csa on...

I find the track still very dull to drive for 12 laps and have no desire to enter another race today. I'm back to DR.A, SR intact, hoping next week will have better races. Meanwhile I'll be driving this instead.

My other addiction that's threatening to break my addiction to GTS. Before GTS came out I had put over 1,500 hours into ED. GTS is in the lead currently with 1,700 hours. All the new things added to ED Horizons in my 3 year absence are now luring me away. PD better put some good races up for next week!

 

[Pigems]

I'm 2 seconds slower at Fuji with my wheel and pedals than with my controller. It's mostly because of the steering. It's just sloppy and all over the place. I can be way more precise with the controller. Getting close to giving up on the wheel.

From my experience, thus far, I believe that switching to a wheel absolutely will not make you faster, unless maybe you're someone who's not good with a controller. I get that it can add some realism to the game, but I couldn't care less about that. I wanna go fast!

Don’t give up yet!! You’re just getting started.

I’m typically a second to second and a half faster with a wheel than a controller on average. Which do you enjoy using more?

 

[Groundfish]

Why limit Q laps? Indo more of those than I ever do racing, I’d have nothing to do lol.

In the past I also spent a lot of time in qual.
The problem I see is when people run nowhere near their qual time in race.
That can stack up cars behind and lead to trouble. I’ve had it so many times when I slow for the car ahead to avoid contact but the guys behind me assume I am slow and wanna get by.
I am guessing their qual is one miracle lap of many.
So, for me I end up with spend hours qualifying or have problems. To me a limited time frame might be better, otherwise people will keep restarting.
So my revised version would be for a daily sprint you get 10 or fifteen minutes or something.
People can still time trial as much as they want in arcade.
I think it would be an improvement.
What happened to pen zones for dailies also?

@sturk0167 Also dealing with contact and racing tight might be much easier on wheel.
Stick with it a while!

 

[K1LLD0z3R]

I'm 2 seconds slower at Fuji with my wheel and pedals than with my controller. It's mostly because of the steering. It's just sloppy and all over the place. I can be way more precise with the controller. Getting close to giving up on the wheel.

From my experience, thus far, I believe that switching to a wheel absolutely will not make you faster, unless maybe you're someone who's not good with a controller. I get that it can add some realism to the game, but I couldn't care less about that. I wanna go fast!

If you’re not left foot braking try and practice that.

 

[sturk0167]

I’m typically a second to second and a half faster with a wheel than a controller on average

There's the big difference. I am often within a couple tenths of your wheel time, on my controller. I don't dislike the wheel, but so far it's a lot less fun for me. I don't need to feel like I'm driving a car. The driving simulator aspect doesn't add value, for me.

@K1LLD0z3R I've been doing left foot braking, but I'll keep trying other tracks. Tomorrow, when I have more time, I'll try race B qualifying in the WRX, because it's very stable. I'll do a bunch of laps with the wheel, then race against that ghost with my controller. 👍

 

[Rexracer702]

There's the big difference. I am often within a couple tenths of your wheel time, on my controller. I don't dislike the wheel, but so far it's a lot less fun for me. I don't need to feel like I'm driving a car. The driving simulator aspect doesn't add value, for me.

@K1LLD0z3R I've been doing left foot braking, but I'll keep trying other tracks. Tomorrow, when I have more time, I'll try race B qualifying in the WRX, because it's very stable. I'll do a bunch of laps with the wheel, then race against that ghost with my controller. 👍

I'm just guessing, and speaking from my experience, but I think the controller also has built in "driver assists", so the physics with the wheel are more difficult. I also sometimes struggle with my G29 because it has an on center dead zone. Prfect example is when you get a little sideways, and correct, but end up wagging the other direction, then back and forth till you finally loose it. With the gap at center, it's harder to stop this resonance building up. I hear the belt and direct drive wheels are better. @Pigems may be able to pitch in since he had a G29 and now has a belt drive wheel. Cars like the Supra in race A are especially hard to handle with the dead spot at center.
BTW, I never did the left foot braking thing. Maybe someday...

 

[Gersicer]

I'm just guessing, and speaking from my experience, but I think the controller also has built in "driver assists", so the physics with the wheel are more difficult. I also sometimes struggle with my G29 because it has an on center dead zone. Prfect example is when you get a little sideways, and correct, but end up wagging the other direction, then back and forth till you finally loose it. With the gap at center, it's harder to stop this resonance building up. I hear the belt and direct drive wheels are better. @Pigems may be able to pitch in since he had a G29 and now has a belt drive wheel. Cars like the Supra in race A are especially hard to handle with the dead spot at center.
BTW, I never did the left foot braking thing. Maybe someday...

I'd never race with a controller.... I like the immersion aspect too much ... And i just can't do a proper lap with a controller
That being said, that center deadzone on the g29 is really irritating !!! I didn't try other wheels except for the TM on xbox, which wasn't better in that aspect, but it is on my wishlist to eventually go for a better wheel !

 

[Pigems]

In the past I also spent a lot of time in qual.
The problem I see is when people run nowhere near their qual time in race.
That can stack up cars behind and lead to trouble. I’ve had it so many times when I slow for the car ahead to avoid contact but the guys behind me assume I am slow and wanna get by.
I am guessing their qual is one miracle lap of many.
So, for me I end up with spend hours qualifying or have problems. To me a limited time frame might be better, otherwise people will keep restarting.
So my revised version would be for a daily sprint you get 10 or fifteen minutes or something.
People can still time trial as much as they want in arcade.
I think it would be an improvement.
What happened to pen zones for dailies also?

@sturk0167 Also dealing with contact and racing tight might be much easier on wheel.
Stick with it a while!

My only issue with that would be the time trial in arcade mode, there is no world/Regional rankings with that, that’s what I like most about Q laps, climbing the board, getting into the top 100 or 10 even.

 

[O604]

Wheel or not I'm still slower than sturk0167. So no sympathy from me.

You're just frustrated. It's always tough with anything when you try to forget old muscle memory while learning new stuff. Time is all you need.

 

[sturk0167]

I'm just guessing, and speaking from my experience, but I think the controller also has built in "driver assists", so the physics with the wheel are more difficult. I also sometimes struggle with my G29 because it has an on center dead zone. Prfect example is when you get a little sideways, and correct, but end up wagging the other direction, then back and forth till you finally loose it. With the gap at center, it's harder to stop this resonance building up. I hear the belt and direct drive wheels are better. @Pigems may be able to pitch in since he had a G29 and now has a belt drive wheel. Cars like the Supra in race A are especially hard to handle with the dead spot at center.
BTW, I never did the left foot braking thing. Maybe someday...

That being said, that center deadzone on the g29 is really irritating !!!

That's been my experience, too. It's really difficult to make it go straight. I look like a drunk driver on the straightaway at Fuji.

 

[Dairyworker]

@sturk0167 do not touch the ds4 again! Kidding, sorta. I have not touched my ds4 for gts since i got the wheel. I was about 2.5 sconds slower at first and it took a few weeks of dedicated use to get up to speed and another 6 weeks or so to say i am certainly faster now.

Also i dare say your going about it backwards. Set a time in a car your comfy with on a track you like with the ds4, and hunt that bitch down with your wheel. I just so happend to be starting personal time trails before getting the wheel so thats what i did. I think it helps to find the strengths the wheel has over a ds4 that way. Braking and turning were hard to adapt to after 20 plus years on a controller. I also had the same problem at first not being able to track straight, or not come back in from the edge of the track off a turn.

 

[NosOsH]

@sturk0167
Maybe try playing with the wheel sensitivity
I think if you turn it down... it becomes a little easier to track straight at speed.
I may be wrong' someone else who knows for sure wanna chime in?

 

[beegentoo]

In the past I also spent a lot of time in qual.
The problem I see is when people run nowhere near their qual time in race.
That can stack up cars behind and lead to trouble. I’ve had it so many times when I slow for the car ahead to avoid contact but the guys behind me assume I am slow and wanna get by.
I am guessing their qual is one miracle lap of many.
So, for me I end up with spend hours qualifying or have problems. To me a limited time frame might be better, otherwise people will keep restarting.
So my revised version would be for a daily sprint you get 10 or fifteen minutes or something.
People can still time trial as much as they want in arcade.
I think it would be an improvement.
What happened to pen zones for dailies also?

@sturk0167 Also dealing with contact and racing tight might be much easier on wheel.
Stick with it a while!

They should provide (i.e. add a button in the menu) the possibility to run a practice lap with exactly the same environment settings as in the race. And this is really just a test lap.

Qualification should somehow be restricted: you HAVE to race with the car you set your fastest Q-Lap with while your Q-time (and your position in the grid) is the average time of all Q-laps you set with this car.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Qualification should somehow be restricted: you HAVE to race with the car you set your fastest Q-Lap with while your Q-time (and your position in the grid) is the average time of all Q-laps you set with this car.

Not that I disagree with the sentiment, because I actually agree to an extent, but I fear something like this will turn the racing into META-fests. The time it takes to get a good time with a fast car will negate the desire to switch cars.

Right now, your start position is one of the most important aspects of a good performance.

 

[beegentoo]

Not that I disagree with the sentiment, because I actually agree to an extent, but I fear something like this will turn the racing into META-fests. The time it takes to get a good time with a fast car will negate the desire to switch cars.

Right now, your start position is one of the most important aspects of a good performance.

They already are! Ppl look at the Top-10 and see „Ah, Huracan!“ and you end up being the black sheep when daring to use a porsche.

 

[sdi_03]

Got my race C qualy under 1:36... 1:35.939... I really strugle with the front grip, some tricks still to be learnt.

Did one race also, started 3rd finished 3rd. Was on 2nd before the pit stop, but vlx pitted one lap sooner and gained the 2nd position.
vlx_pinkarey had massive slide on the 1st hairpin on lap 11, going left and right over the course.
Didn't want to risk it and decided to lift. Oh, some guy named kie was there also, he was really fast.

DR 27k SR 99 2nd clean race star in a row

 

[O604]

Haven't raced much but Suzuka has been really clean. However there's always 1 car in 10 not with the etiquette program playing a different game. In my last few races because all the other cars were so clean that 1 car in 10 really stands out.

 

[Pigems]

I'm just guessing, and speaking from my experience, but I think the controller also has built in "driver assists", so the physics with the wheel are more difficult. I also sometimes struggle with my G29 because it has an on center dead zone. Prfect example is when you get a little sideways, and correct, but end up wagging the other direction, then back and forth till you finally loose it. With the gap at center, it's harder to stop this resonance building up. I hear the belt and direct drive wheels are better. @Pigems may be able to pitch in since he had a G29 and now has a belt drive wheel. Cars like the Supra in race A are especially hard to handle with the dead spot at center.
BTW, I never did the left foot braking thing. Maybe someday...

You’re right about the Logitech, I didn’t have a G29 but I did have a DFGT which is very similar with a geared drive, it did have a dead spot for sure. I didn’t find it too much of an issue but the feel of the FFB is Night and Day between the DFGT and T300, the T300 is so smooth while on the DFGT you felt every tooth engage as you turned the wheel.

 

[Groundfish]

My only issue with that would be the time trial in arcade mode, there is no world/Regional rankings with that, that’s what I like most about Q laps, climbing the board, getting into the top 100 or 10 even.

I guess that’s true. That is a cool aspect of gt.

 

[Pigems]

I guess that’s true. That is a cool aspect of gt.

I agree, I love knowing where I stand in the grand scheme of things. I totally get what you mean though, it’s happened to me lots of times, not often is my best race lap as good as my best Q lap.

Plus, Q laps are one of the few times in GT that you can’t get punted or run off the track, you get to find new ways fly off the track all by yourself.

 

[sturk0167]

I agree, I love knowing where I stand in the grand scheme of things. I totally get what you mean though, it’s happened to me lots of times, not often is my best race lap as good as my best Q lap.

Plus, Q laps are one of the few times in GT that you can’t get punted or run off the track, you get to find new ways fly off the track all by yourself.

Q laps are the best time to do jumps.