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[Tassie_tiger]

Meanwhile in Oceania

Just sayin'

 

[bmxmitch]

Just shows that people will always choose what they see on the Top10. I guess many would even start with the Samba Bus if they're on the leaderboards

 

[VFOURMAX1]

The Mustang is the only car to have dominated any GR3 leaderboards

How many threads have complained about the 911 dominating grids, some races of late the M6 has been the go to car, this track it is the Mustang.
GR3 is a better match classed than GR4 has been but how many GR3 eligible cars do you actually never or rarely see in a race? That will be either because of speed or stability or other issues probably makes the car uncompetitive within the class.

You would think that as popular as Mercedes and Jaguar is as a brand that you would see many more on the gr3 grids than what you do. The BoP makes other cars a better choice overall to be competitive to win. You do not see any where near the number of Vipers as you once did because BoP nerfs again has made them not the most competitive choice when compared to other offerings within the class.

I understand that in real racing you can’t just switch cars at will, but how are you ever to be able to learn to drive a car well and consistently if the BoP changes constantly per-track? It would only serve to make some already chaotic races worse as drivers aren’t used to the changes to the car.
I know I’d struggle if my car was suddenly slower, or faster...

The only way to make the one off system fair across all brands of cars across the class is to set the BoP independently for each car at each circuit so that the total lap time the cars are capable of on any given circuit will be within a variance close enough to not really influence car choice over personal likes of the car or its actual driving traits which would still differ from car to car.

If you read my original post in the quote box you would see it makes a direct reference to the handling characteristics or "driving traits" would remain the same between the different tracks. Very slight horsepower or braking changes can alter performance enough that the difference in the cars performance would be the same as adjusting to driving on a track in the early morning and late afternoon when the grip levels are different on a circuit.

The adjustments do not have to be so drastic to to affect a car greatly. Just because car A was faster does not mean all changes had to be made to only car A on that circuit. Car A could be slowed slightly and the other cars adusted to be a bit faster as needed so no drastic changes are done to any one car.

Either you make adjustments on each circuit by class or you keep seeing some races that are dominated by one or two makes of vehicles. So they nerf the Mustang, overall the Mustang is not a car that is used on a regular basis as it is. So just make another car nobody ever uses by nerfing it is the answer?

Then we have the next car that is OP on a circuit. Nerf that one as well? Then we go to the next one in line .................

 

[Turbo Racer 48]

[QUOTE="VFOURMAX1, post: 12172123, member: 290384]

Either you make adjustments on each circuit by class or you keep seeing some races that are dominated by one or two makes of vehicles. So they nerf the Mustang, overall the Mustang is not a car that is used on a regular basis as it is. So just make another car nobody ever uses by nerfing it is the answer?

Then we have the next car that is OP on a circuit. Nerf that one as well? Then we go to the next one in line .................[/QUOTE]

The risk is though by having BOP by track (which is not how real life works as we know) will mess up the average BOP that is critical for FIA race series especially Manufacturers.

We should also recognise BoP will likely continue to evolve until start of FIA Season 1 in April 2018 especially as new tracks are added (unless PD are using average BoP based on all the tracks yet to be launched (doubtful IMHO).

 

[baldgye]

How many threads have complained about the 911 dominating grids

Not that many? The 911 isn't OP it dominates grids due to the meta of the game and has nothing to do with the Mustang dominating Monza.
It isn't relevant to BoP discussions (regarding OP cars) unless you’re talking about trying to make grids more diverse, but that hasn't got anything to do with it being better at certain tracks. The 911 issue is that it dominates ALL GR3 grids, not because it's better but because of the meta of the game. Online games have 'meta-games' that change and shift.

Either you make adjustments on each circuit by class or you keep seeing some races that are dominated by one or two makes of vehicles. So they nerf the Mustang, overall the Mustang is not a car that is used on a regular basis as it is. So just make another car nobody ever uses by nerfing it is the answer?

Again, this dominating of grids doesn’t exist (for GR3 cars), at least not because a car is OP apart from Monza, which has literally only existed in the game from this morning.



I don't know if the game should be balanced per-track, personally I don't think that should be the case. While sport, as a concept is about winning. Motorsport specifically isn't. You cannot win every single event you enter and most events are part of a season or a championship. If you or a car are weak at certain tracks, you consolidate and if you are strong, you win or go for podiums.

And no, the way to balance a game is to just nerf everything that becomes good... that's how you ruin games and make them imbalanced.

 

[zzz_pt]

Usually the top10 doesn't vary a lot because those guys want to have at least the same pace as the next guy on the grid. If I end up in a race with 17 or 19 other Mustangs, it can only be a fair race for everyone.

But of course, seeing different brands is cooler. Yesterday did a Manuf. Cup race with an AMG. I started 4th finished second behind a BMW6 and in front of another pack of 4 M6s. Its was fun but if I had a BMW I would've won.

@Tassie_tiger gonna try the Vette. It looks like it's faster than the Mustang. ^^ Try to get a 1:46.5

 

[baldgye]

Usually the top10 doesn't vary a lot because those guys want to have at least the same pace as the next guy on the grid. If I end up in a race with 17 or 19 other Mustangs, it can only be a fair race for everyone.

But of course, seeing different brands is cooler. Yesterday did a Manuf. Cup race with an AMG. I started 4th finished second behind a BMW6 and in front of another pack of 4 M6s. Its was fun but if I had a BMW I would've won.

@Tassie_tiger gonna try the Vette. It looks like it's faster than the Mustang. ^^ Try to get a 1:46.5

I think it's also important to point out, that the vast majority (me included) are not even close to getting the max out of any GR3 car in GT Sport. So what the top 10 do, is almost irrelivant. If you (someone who was 2~ seconds off the pace of the top 10) pick any of the cars that you are good with, and work on doing PERFECT laps, you will beat someone else at you're level who's just picking the best car.

 

[Tassie_tiger]

Usually the top10 doesn't vary a lot because those guys want to have at least the same pace as the next guy on the grid. If I end up in a race with 17 or 19 other Mustangs, it can only be a fair race for everyone.

But of course, seeing different brands is cooler. Yesterday did a Manuf. Cup race with an AMG. I started 4th finished second behind a BMW6 and in front of another pack of 4 M6s. Its was fun but if I had a BMW I would've won.

@Tassie_tiger gonna try the Vette. It looks like it's faster than the Mustang. ^^ Try to get a 1:46.5

I haven't even tried a qualy time yet.
But yeh, it looks just as good if not better than the Mustang according to our Leaderboards.

 

[lopescj]

I use the mustang many times and I see that practically nobody uses it. I love the car and the brand.

Please PD do not make it into the new megane !!!

 

[bmxmitch]

So, for the sake of variety, PD needs to get rid of sport mode leaderboards

 

[zzz_pt]

I haven't even tried a qualy time yet.
But yeh, it looks just as good if not better than the Mustang according to our Leaderboards.

Definitelty better at corners but not so good top speed. I'm used to the Mustang now but the C7 feelsfeels good for sure.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

The risk is though by having BOP by track (which is not how real life works as we know) will mess up the average BOP that is critical for FIA race series especially Manufacturers.

That series is the ONLY place within the game that the current (compared to real life) system will work with any semblance to how the real world BoP works.

Otherwise we are dealing with one off races where such system will not allow a driver in many cars to use the car they prefer on a circuit if they also want to competitive on that circuit in the class.

A separate BoP system for one off sport races would not be an unreasonable concept to reasonably promote balance between all cars in a class regardless of the circuit raced. A racer should be able to race any car within a class with a reasonable expectation of having the same chance to win as any other car on the circuit within the class.

This is a game after all and if you are a Mercedes fan then you should be able to drive your Mercedes on ANY track within the game and have an equal chance to win.. Not seeing many Mercedes SLS OR Volkswagon GTI's dominating the upper ranks in GR3.

 

[bmxmitch]

Not seeing many Mercedes SLS OR Volkswagon GTI's dominating the upper ranks in GR3.

The SLS and AMG-GT are pretty damn fast though. I easily kept up with the Mustangs today!
People just dont try them out, because they never appear on the leaderboards...so I guess.

 

[TeWheke]

One car dominating a particular track is a weakness of fixed settings as on a track like Monza the car whose gear ratios and downforce settings are best suited will generally dominate.

 

[Turbo Racer 48]

That series is the ONLY place within the game that the current (compared to real life) system will work with any semblance to how the real world BoP works.


A separate BoP system for one off sport races would not be an unreasonable concept to reasonably promote balance between all cars in a class regardless of the circuit raced. A racer should be able to race any car within a class with a reasonable expectation of having the same chance to win as any other car on the circuit within the class.

Glad you agree and this average BoP would be PD's No 1 priority too as its the whole reason why there is BoP not individual Sport races.

Clearly its quite an undertaking (as real life BoP controversies show) and are I believe PD employing Big Data techniques to collect thousands and thousands of data points for many different paramaters such as tracks, cars tyre and fuel wear at the very least.

So I think its unlikely they would be introducing either a seperate system or even more complexity into the existing to cater for one off track and car specific Sport races........

The game never said you would have an equal chance in any car in any track.....

It offers the chance to compete in a variety of cars in championships across multiple tracks in comparably performing cars as judged by PD's algorithm which is still evolving as new parameters introduced including yet to be launched tracks..

In particular in the Manufacturers championship each player has to balance the pros and cons of the available GR3 & 4 cars when choosing their manufacturer....something that could also play a part in Gr3 and Gr4 balancing so no one manufacterer is dominant in both classes.....
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[quikk]

Biggest problem is still the people! They will always choose whats slightly faster, even if its only .001sec
Guess those guys are also fans of Bayern or Real Madrid. Not because they like what they're doing, but they like winning.....I hate those people

I am a fan of RM for over 15 years, and trust me its not so great atm
but anyways, i thought top10 was a good idea but now I see it just encourages half of the game's population to choose the car thats in top10, hence so many porsches,bmw and now mustangs.

 

[Blacki2k2]

Lol... trying the next race... room full of S/S, only 4 A/S there, starting from 10... terrible, really. This is war. Leaving the game before finished round 1. Makes no sense to play with that "elite" drivers. The worst race i ever saw.

 

[quikk]

Just had my 1st races at Monza and was fairly clean, got a massive bump on the first chicane, cut the corner massively, even managed to gain a position or 2, but thankfully the game didnt punish me for that.

 

[Baspos96]

I don't think people were quite ready for a Monza gr.3 race...

Just to clarify, everyone started with sr S.

Absolute madness...

 

[zzz_pt]

I predicted this. That's why I didn't enter any race today, despite liking Monza. But I prefer to race with people I know, in a decent environment. At least until everyone figures out that it's impossible (and stupid) to try and overtake in that first chicane. :/

 

[PirovacBoy]

It just seems that Monza will become one of those tracks where clean and respectful racing will just be an unfulfilled dream,sadly. At least in Sport Mode. Only Winning Winning Winning I must overtake right now and here let me pass I don’t care if I screw your or anyone else race i‘m faster i‘m better I must win...ridiculous :/

 

[Blacki2k2]

Yh, im Back to A/A, lost in last race 23 SR Points for get bumped in the first round and leaving then. Had driven now a rece in a room with completely A-D/A, get pushed agein in first chicane from 3. to 12... und came back to 3. Every round on every chicane yellow flag. So, peaple make some good qualifiying times, but dont care other in races

 

[kevlar_hybrid]

It just seems that Monza will become one of those tracks where clean and respectful racing will just be an unfulfilled dream,sadly. At least in Sport Mode. Only Winning Winning Winning I must overtake right now and here let me pass I don’t care if I screw your or anyone else race i‘m faster i‘m better I must win...ridiculous :/

Yup, add it to the other tracks on the demolition derby list.
Look at the SR ranking at the end of each race. It's a Red S festival. Shame, nice track, ruined by the rubbish penalty and SR system.
Basically if the track has a slow corner, everyone pays the price. If diving up the inside late punishes both drivers but knocks the lead off while slowing the chase down the incentive is always going to be on the chase car to barge through. I've seen this enough now, will avoid Monza.

I don't think people were quite ready for a Monza gr.3 race...

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Just to clarify, everyone started with sr S.

Absolute madness...

Exactly, seen it 4 times tonight and will now not race there.
Any track with a fast entry into a slow 1st or second gear corner will accumulate RED SR until the person behind is punished for diving up the inside.

 

[Arcflyer]

Had a bit of fun tonight at Monza running with the Viper. Unfortunately on my first race, I got to the second chicane and got through cleanly and then someone manage to hit the barriers which then flew back onto the track and actually caused my car to crash. I have the video so will did out a clip later.
Viper was fun as long as you could get a tow from the Mustangs. It is then quite easy to outbrake the Mustangs into the first chicane.
Its a bit of a crashfest and I lost a few hundred points as racing in DRA, SRS by dropping a few places, but on the whole not too bad.

 

[Lebowski]

Monza was always going to be a crash fest' at turn one, just like Nurburgring GP and Magiore. Any circuit with a tight, slow first corner will always result in that. This is why Kyoto works so well online as you have a good few fast corners well before the first real slow down which by then has spread the field out a bit. I avoid all those sort of circuits without fail.

 

[racer_xis]

Impossible to play it on sport mode... Got rammed in every corner until I disconnected, two laps after start

 

[250Cal]

I predicted this. That's why I didn't enter any race today, despite liking Monza. But I prefer to race with people I know, in a decent environment. At least until everyone figures out that it's impossible (and stupid) to try and overtake in that first chicane. :/

Yep, I didn't do a single online race today. The FIA tracks were toxic and the dailies didn't look much better. Willow Spring might have been OK but I wasn't keen on the combo at all.

 

[ScottPuss20]

The top 10 qualifiers in the Monza daily consist mainly of AMG GT's, M6's and Corvettes. Sometimes the odd Viper turns up. If you're not in any of these cars, you don't stand a chance. I also find that Monza is a lot like an oval or speedway - if you're not in someone's slipstream, you're on your own. It is really hard to gain time if you're not behind someone, and it's rather annoying. Yes, the first corner is insane, but that's expected of course. Everybody wants to overtake everybody else and there's a whole lot of trouble.

 

[IAMDOODLEBUG]

I cannot "get" the Mustang at all... Probably did 25 laps and only got down to a 1:47.7, optimal 1:47.5, but ridiculously inconsistent in the process and still a second from a top 10 time. In the Porsche or even the Corvette I can lap consistently, chipping away but I'm sitting in the 1:48 in those! Hats off to the guy at number one in the Corvette, what a blinder of a lap. Despite knowing it, Monza has bamboozled me!

 

[DesertPenguin]

Check the driving aids settings to see what they're using.