"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[nord_clane]

Looks like you were driving a few DR levels below your skill level and still using the 911 lol. Like watching someone race AI, including the divebomb on the Orange Merc at the hairpin.

Were you after a "well done" or something?

No not really, i just wanted to try something new and didn't do a qualilap. Because of this "trying" thing i used the other account. Also i always use the 911 in Gr.3, also on tracks were other cars are better.

I thought the Video would be interesting and of course if you try to pass 20 cars in 10 laps the chance of every overtake being perfectly clean is not very high. But i get it now, seems like it wasn't a good idea to post it here if it's not super clean. You better don't watch some old Touring car footage.

 

[phil_75]

Just a quick question, is i worth trying race C with my DS4? Still getting my S/R back to around my normal rating after destroying it attempting to race Monza yesterday.

Well I've been playing it most of the day on DS4.

 

[Satomiblood]

So I was wondering has anyone else fallen into the trap of vigilante racing?

I've retaliated a few times, but I've also stood up for other victims as well. There was an occasion where someone, who may have been using a lag switch, was teleporting throughout the track. This player was knocking people allover the place and really disrupting the flow of the race. The hits were deliberate as the car was aggressively fishtailing and homing in on others in its path. No one wanted to retaliate, so I took it upon myself to take this person out - and I did a few laps later. I probably finished second to last and I'm sure I took a hit on my DR/SR, but I couldn't let someone win a race in that fashion.

 

[Nuschel01]

First penalty was deserved, this is what you get for driving without radar - you squeezed him out.

What? He left a whole car width space for the M4 and was then punted off twice.
Both penalties undeserved imho

 

[TheNorfolkDad]

Again: I didn't move them and they didn't lose pace.

I wouldn’t lose sleep over it. Its a wonder how some people on here ever put in decent lap times at all, they seem to race their high horses everywhere

 

[TenderLoins]

I wouldn’t lose sleep over it. Its a wonder how some people on here ever put in decent lap times at all, they seem to race their high horses everywhere

There are plenty of people who can drive respectfully while putting up good lap times. The video posted showed the exact type of driving the 1.13 update was trying to discourage.

 

[Nuschel01]

Just don‘t upload videos with dirty driving and then say it‘s not your fault if they‘re slower or run a corner wide. I make lots of mistakes and so do others, it‘s what humans do. But if somebody in front of me runs a little wide or something I don‘t force my way through justifying it by saying the other driver made a mistake...

 

[UnkaD]

When you find that magic spark all of a sudden.

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• UnkaD
• Mar 14, 2018

I know it isn't a super fast time, but it was one of those moments where I found a huge chunk of time that I didn't know was there and then immediately repeated it. Closest consecutive fast laps I've had in a session.

 

[nord_clane]

Just don‘t upload videos with dirty driving and then say it‘s not your fault if they‘re slower or run a corner wide. I make lots of mistakes and so do others, it‘s what humans do. But if somebody in front of me runs a little wide or something I don‘t force my way through justifying it by saying the other driver made a mistake...

I nerver said they made a mistake but you were arguing that i bump-passed them and moved them out of my way/forced my way trough. But that was not the case, i didn't pushed them wide or anything.

 

[Nuschel01]

I nerver said they made a mistake but you were arguing that i bump-passed them and moved them out of my way/forced my way trough. But that was not the case, i didn't pushed them wide or anything.

My post wasn‘t aiming at you but in general to people uploading replays complaining about others but not being better by themselves.
Regarding your replay I only said what I felt about it after a quick scroll through.

 

[_ApexPredator]

The best passing opportunity is out of Surtees for me. At the top level most can take it well enough but it only takes a small error in turn in and the speed differential down the straight will get you alongside or in front by Hawthorn. Out of Stirlings can be productive but the opportunity is less frequent. Paddock can be done between courteous drivers, but for the most part is very risky and I wouldn't try it without sizing up the guy in front for a few laps first. If I see they are not turning in sharply enough I will exploit this and take as flat a line as I can, taking the inside curb to get the run up to Druids. Brands is my favourite track by far as the risks are significant at the limit, with a mistake generally ending your race. Often just pressurising with sheer pace will induce a mistake.

Most of my moves at Brands seem to happen out of Hawthornes (the first fast right-hander after Surtees & the back straight) into Westfield. There, or out of Paddock and into Druids.

 

[Hoof Arted]

He hit me very obviously, and radar is distracting me + it is fantasy

That's why I look and listen - and car behind sees me best!

Look at my behavior to others in that race....

My 2 cents worth. I don't usually comment on this sort of stuff but I'm on my coffee break atm!
I agree with Sean Renon's assessment. You don't use the radar by your own decision (and fair enough), but, in the first bit of contact in the left kink you still turn in even though your left-hand proximity sensor is glowing/flashing full red, indicating a car is (somewhere) along side on the left. The second contact the other driver giving you the squeeze. In both cases, both you and the other driver get 1 sec penalties for each bit of contact, so kind of evens out. The bit that I don't understand is the game giving both drivers penalties at the same time for each contact when one driver is "more at fault" than the other.

 

[bone_tone]

It’s a very tactical track, no place for mistakes but there are places to overtake... but a good way to get positions is to pressure and hope for the driver ahead to make a mistake...

I agree - I'm nothing like as successful as you are, but have had 2 productive races at Brands tonight. Started the first one 13th, and finished 5th, started the second 15th, and finished 5th again - didn't overtake one car, either passing whilst they were off track or during the pitstops!

Not trying to be a jerk, but you do so well there... where are the passing opportunities?

See answer above, there are more passing opportunities than overtaking opportunities if you are patient enough!

I find Brands and Bathurst to be very similar in this respect, where steady driving can produce some good results.

 

[BSDShoes]

Wow I have no luck, Alsece race was going well as I was doing clean passes and making room, then someone shoves me off the track and I hit the fence hard then I fell to 14th and get a 5 sec penalty and lost 300 DR and 9 SR for trying to drive clean.

RAGE

 

[cleanLX]

The best passing opportunity is out of Surtees for me. At the top level most can take it well enough but it only takes a small error in turn in and the speed differential down the straight will get you alongside or in front by Hawthorn. Out of Stirlings can be productive but the opportunity is less frequent. Paddock can be done between courteous drivers, but for the most part is very risky and I wouldn't try it without sizing up the guy in front for a few laps first. If I see they are not turning in sharply enough I will exploit this and take as flat a line as I can, taking the inside curb to get the run up to Druids. Brands is my favourite track by far as the risks are significant at the limit, with a mistake generally ending your race. Often just pressurising with sheer pace will induce a mistake.

Thank you for your honest feedback... so, essentially, on an entire lap you pretty much need to work Surtees... and hope for mistakes elsewhere...
Which is pretty much what I had figured...
Never figured Stirlings would provide and opportunity, guess I'll have to try some different lines through there and see what I can find.
I love the track, just not sure I want to race there...
It reminds me of another track people seem to love... Laguna Seca... pin-it/turn, pin-it/turn... I just don't have the love for tracks that don't force you to link turns and(or) provide complex turns that can be utilized with different lines/strategy... One per lap... ehn.

 

[mk1xr2]

Back up to b/s there's some dirty races in Sr c and b

 

[cleanLX]

I nerver said they made a mistake but you were arguing that i bump-passed them and moved them out of my way/forced my way trough. But that was not the case, i didn't pushed them wide or anything.

You really need to go watch your own video, and watch where the Jag takes the inside line, yet you brake/turn-in like there are no cars ahead, then go down the inside, even tho, that is exactly where the Jag is... by miracle, the Jag leaves just enough room (otherwise you'd be into the back of him, so, miracle, or luck, flip the coin), but, you avoid the curb, then, tap the Jag at 1:15, it gets shoved to the side (watch your video, go to .25 speed if you cannot see it real time, it's there) and... again, I stopped watching...
If you are a good enough "gamer" to play around on a sub account, I can only guess you are a good enough racer to get past us peons without such tactics.
It's BS stuff like this that made patch 1.13 so popular among the folks that just want clean and respectable racing.
If you had responded originally stating something to the effect of "yes, that was optimistic, I regret that little touch" pretty much everyone here would respected that mistakes happen, appreciated your humanity and I would not be wasting my time typing this.
So, why do i say I'm wasting my time typing this? Because you, and some (unfortunately, several, or even many) others seem to think this is not only acceptable, but, appropriate, and absolutely defend-able.
And, Again...
If you were as good a racer as you are hoping we would all witness, you would not be messing about on a sub account with us Dr.B peons, you'd be racing your equals at whatever Dr. you are meant to be... maybe with a stricter penalty system, that possibly may not tolerate the driving shown in your video... and if you were that good, and messing about on a sub account, you'd understand that this is a racing game, not a winning game, and you'd settle for a hard fought clean run from 20th to 17th rather than nudge your way through to wherever you finished... guessing rather well.

Happy "gaming".

 

[UnkaD]

Fell into another slump where I try to make up for a bad race(my mistake; no-contact spin), but it just gets worse and worse(slides here and there; still no contact) until some Brazilian just decides my car isn't there and runs me off. Two last place finishes back to back.

 

[adstomko]

Race C was a bit of a nightmare for me today.
Problems I keep facing:
- At Brands Hatch, some drivers (even high ranked S/S drivers) decide to slow down from their penalty when they drive down the hill, after the chicane a lot of drivers cut too much. What are you thinking? There is no room to do that whatsoever. I got a 10 second penalty for bumping into someone doing it.
- Also, for people who like to execute risky, but fair and clean overtaking manouvres always end up penalised because the driver in front doesn't check their mirrors.
I'm tempted just to race in private lobbies and try and get into Top 24 Superstars races.
The penalty system is still causing rather big problems

 

[IAMDOODLEBUG]

Thank you for your honest feedback... so, essentially, on an entire lap you pretty much need to work Surtees... and hope for mistakes elsewhere...
Which is pretty much what I had figured...
Never figured Stirlings would provide and opportunity, guess I'll have to try some different lines through there and see what I can find.
I love the track, just not sure I want to race there...
It reminds me of another track people seem to love... Laguna Seca... pin-it/turn, pin-it/turn... I just don't have the love for tracks that don't force you to link turns and(or) provide complex turns that can be utilized with different lines/strategy... One per lap... ehn.

It's definitely a rhythmic track, perhaps similar to monza in some respects or Laguna as you mentioned. I find this puts me in the "zone" especially when I'm hunting positions. By its nature, if you aren't pushing it on Brands you will get passed at some point as the only way to maximise your pace around some of the corners is to get dangerously close to the green stuff. It ultimately boils down to the driver with the largest cahunas! Im on 1.22s and there is still time to find on a perfect lap - hats off to the number one times!

 

[Beetlecrzy]

I like driving Brands and Gr1. There really isn't anywhere to pass, but consistency still yields good results. I had a great morning on Brands today aside from the competition.

I've never been so high on the leader board.

It took me a race to settle in. Those sand trails are murder.


I took extra fuel in this one to run some faster laps in the second half.


A nice place in the leader board and 2 hat tricks. The DR reward was awful. All in all, a good morning.

 

[inri]

I wouldn’t lose sleep over it. Its a wonder how some people on here ever put in decent lap times at all, they seem to race their high horses everywhere

you were the one trying to call out other people in a video because you thought you were better than them. personally speaking i would rather eat live bees than ever waste my time doing stuff like that

 

[cleanLX]

The only overtake i'm sorry for is the orange AMG, but he really was driving like a roadblock before and was breaking way too early.

So, Mr. @nord_clane... please read...
I've given you grief, but, have just now watched the entire race... yep all 20 some odd minutes.
Later in lap 1, I don't know how you avoided contact with the Beetle. I hate Beetles, and that was a tough spot... "pat on back".
That orange AMG... I would not have pulled that move, but, being honest, I'm actually glad you did... he was being a complete jackolantern.
On lap 8, avoiding the wrecking car, and every so tenderly touching the red 991... I'm glad you were not handed a penalty... that in "my" opinion was racing incident... and, I don't know how you managed to just drive through with such a loving touch... i'd have wrecked the red 991... not on purpose, but due to lack of skill.
You certainly have "pace"... your lap 8, even with letting up to not wreck the red 991 was a full 2 seconds off my qualifying time... ouch.

So...
Outside of turn one, lap one (which, I kind-of want to forgive... but just cannot... )... extremely well done Mr. @nord_clane .. and, it was a pleasure to watch the remainder of the race.
Hat is off.

 

[BSDShoes]

Back up to b/s there's some dirty races in Sr c and b

Fell into another slump where I try to make up for a bad race(my mistake; no-contact spin), but it just gets worse and worse(slides here and there; still no contact) until some Brazilian just decides my car isn't there and runs me off. Two last place finishes back to back.

Yup, I was getting punished for trying to do my race. I'm done with GTS for now as I feel like the game has gotten worse for me. Going to focus more on iRacing, RaceRoom and AC online.

 

[DriftMethod]

I've never been so high on the leader board.

I hate to say it, but it's about the time when the fast drivers come out to play, so we should be dropping down the board soon.

 

[Sofia Speed]

Ok, so, where are the places to overtake?
I've never raced humans there... just cannot "see" a way to use driving strategy on that track.
The way "I" see that track, there are only 2 corners that allow differing lines, to alter your entry/exit;
Druids, which is a hairpin, so, fair enough... you can go down the inside.
Surtees which can be taken a few different ways and actually requires finesse
The remainder of the track is one racing line, with no linked corners... which means, no strategy, fall in line and pin-it/turn, pin-it/turn.
I'm in agreement that, without someone making a mistake... follow the leader.

Not trying to be a jerk, but you do so well there... where are the passing opportunities?

I don’t know the name of the turns and sections of the track.
I can say that this track is wider than Suzuka and Mount Panorama (two other tracks that I like). People tend to drive on the middle of it by fear of the green (LAVA) and sand (POO)
You can pretty much use every exit to a straight in your advantage. And also a few turns you can take the inside to pass.
Like some said you have to push from start to end, push push and push... that’s what I love about it.
As suggested above you should study your opponent before.
It’s easier to do this in A/S S/S races but not all the the drivers being passed alow it so you have to wait.
Some turns you can either do fast in slow out or slow in fast out... you train both was and use it on the race in your advantage when trying to pass out of a turn.
It takes patience and pace to get it...

One tire in the poo and your out!!
This track in PC2 is more evil.

Try some arcade mode races, it’s really good!

 

[Beetlecrzy]

I hate to say it, but it's about the time when the fast drivers come out to play, so we should be dropping down the board soon.

Yeah, you're at 9th and I'm 13th already. It was fun while it lasted. Nice lap by you @DriftMethod. I had an optimal of 1:10.6**. I just couldn't put it together. I only get short sessions in when the fiancé isn't around. Sub 1:11 is impressive by those guys.

 

[cleanLX]

Love to see the replay !

I uploaded to GTSport replays...
not sure it you can find it... my GTSport username is huddybob...
Too dumb to upload/share to youtube right now... will try tomorrow... need to cook supper and hit the hay... 3am comes quick

 

[Sofia Speed]

Yeah, you're at 9th and I'm 13th already. It was fun while it lasted. Nice lap by you @DriftMethod. I had an optimal of 1:10.6**. I just couldn't put it together. I only get short sessions in when the fiancé isn't around. Sub 1:11 is impressive by those guys.

I had that high for just a bit!!

I still think it’s a good time but I’m in 36th region (I try to be under 25 by the end of the day) and 267 wold
Watching those replay (yours and DriftMethodalso) and comparing with mine is just unfair!! It seams impossible to copy but I’m getting close hehehe

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Unfortunately dirty does win on Brand's hatch GR.1. Luckily only one race had a dirty driver bump their way to first. It stands out when you're the only one in the room with a red rating and several people calling you out. He was gone quickly of course.

I don't know why people insist on following so close on Brand's hatch. You're going to run into the car in front when they have to brake a bit earlier for the car in front of them. Then it's always, you were braking too early... Bring the harsher penalties back! Also penalty for flashing your lights in every corner. Although it's satisfying to see a car with flashing lights disappear in the sand trap, it's pretty annoying and has me considering just turning the damn mirror off.

Next race up, start 11th, hope it's another clean one!

Edit: I shouldn't have said anything. The next race was dirty as can be. I was hit from behind at least 8 times, punted off twice. People taking a wide line then want to cut over into the pit braking in front of you, braking for penalties, bad track re-entries, steer into you at the apex, everything that is wrong with this game. I lost 11 SR on that race, 5 sec penalty total for hitting cars braking right in front of me for penalties I assume. Nearly the whole room still had blue ratings though. Too many SR points to use up in the daily C.

Oh well, dropping to 88 SR, now I'm starting 2nd instead of 12th.

On pole was an E/S driver. He was dirty, first squeezing when I passed then bumped me off in lap 2. He was fast but not consistent so I caught up later, passed him, then he started to nudge and rub again so I left him little room and rubbed right back when he tried to bump pass. Then he started over driving and going wide in the corners, fell 2 sec behind and that was it. Win nr 165, clean race bonus, 195k profit (might have been more, maxed me out again) and back at SR 99.