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I really appreciate Sven Jurgens' willingness to experiment and report.

For instance, I had a theory that everybody who raced more had a higher DR and got better matching. But that's obviously not the case.

The key to raising DR is probably to be selective with cars and tracks and only racing when confident.

Makes me wish there was a "serious mode" for when you're confident. And a "casual mode" for when you just want to race but not confident in the daily race options.
 
The key to raising DR is probably to be selective with cars and tracks and only racing when confident.

Makes me wish there was a "serious mode" for when you're confident. And a "casual mode" for when you just want to race but not confident in the daily race options.

That's what I used to do, but then if you only drive on tracks you're good at, you're never gonna actually improve on that track. So even if you're not confident on racing on that day, it's a good idea to practice qualifying laps. Still, if no race grabs your attention on a particular day, there's no shame in taking a break and... you know... have other things in life.

But also, I totally raced four times on Tokyo Expressway East yesterday and took a few bumps, because I love that track. Finished in the top 5 on my last race (had to drop a position on the last lap), and improved my qualifying lap after each race.
 
Unless you are an exceptionally good driver on tire management I presume changing tires will always give a better outcome with the tire model we have in game?

My experience is that it depends entirely on the track and car combo. No tire change at yesterday's Gr. 4 at Tokyo was the way to go for me and gained me a couple of positions. It's worked in other races too.

But also, I totally raced four times on Tokyo Expressway East yesterday and took a few bumps, because I love that track.

I love that track too. Raced twice, got the clean race bonus both times, and was the only one without a penalty. It depends so much on the field and luck as to how that one's going to go.
 
Had a pleasing run at Sarthe yesterday, again in a car other than the META:

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Then I proceeded to taint this glory by re-entering the race in the META (Mustang Gr.3), and getting punted off the track at the Porsche Curve on lap 1, finishing 10th. I then re-entered it a third time, but didn't even make it to the start this time due to an untimely disconnect, causing my DR to drop to C. :mad: Trying to achieve back-to-back podiums by being one of 'them' when my SR was at B was a really stupid hill to die on.
 
I love that track too. Raced twice, got the clean race bonus both times, and was the only one without a penalty. It depends so much on the field and luck as to how that one's going to go.

I almost, ALMOST got a clean race bonus too on my last race! But I screw up the first turn on the last lap and ended up hitting the wall. Not a big crash, but I still got a 5 sec. penalty for it and had to give up 4th place.

Considering I got stuck inside a 5 car group and decided to pit early to avoid a bigger crash, I'm still proud of myself. When you accept that you may not be that great of a driver - on a DualShock 4 too - you're just happy to have a good race.
 
Please allow me to clarify my thoughts.


First off, my statement was not not an attack on @Sven Jurgens ar all. I like them very much and they are in my friends list.

I have also flopped down to lower Sr levels before. I was just stating that it is unlikely to get so far down without having control of the situation. I've flopped down there myself, but I was able to recover by becoming hyperaware of my surroundings. You need to give those guys room or sometimes let them by. As daan told me, you can't race those guys. Just have to sacrifice dr to get out of that hell.

I wasn't aware myself that E could be revisited, thinking it was only your starter rank and that it wasn't possible to be deranked that far. But now knowing it is indeed possible, it is a scary group to be in again. So i'm glad myself that slumps can be clawed back from.

You cannot race below Sr B. You simply have to pull over and give ludicrous amounts of room

Fully agreed upon this also. And that's how I endeavoured to escape. I just let them by with their penalty signs a-flashing.
 
The only thing worse than the Megane Trophy's imbalance, are the people who qualify with it and then enter the race with a (slower) car. Holding the grid up, creating splits... and the worst part is they're pushing the pace so hard they make mistakes that you're forced to slow down for. PD needs to fix this dang car already.
 
Please allow me to clarify my thoughts.

First off, my statement was not not an attack on @Sven Jurgens ar all. I like them very much and they are in my friends list.

I have also flopped down to lower Sr levels before. I was just stating that it is unlikely to get so far down without having control of the situation. I've flopped down there myself, but I was able to recover by becoming hyperaware of my surroundings. You need to give those guys room or sometimes let them by. As daan told me, you can't race those guys. Just have to sacrifice dr to get out of that hell.

You cannot race below Sr B. You simply have to pull over and give ludicrous amounts of room. Any attempt to race them as you would an S driver will result in a crash. I learned that the hard way.

I don't see it as an attack at all, I was merely trying to experience myself what happens if you keep racing fair at SR.B and lower, and I've got my answer.

My style of racing is quite straight forward:

- I prefer faster corner exits and passing on the straights.
-> problem, get alongside a dirty driver on the straight, he'll try to ram you off. Some wait until you are alongside, by the time you see him veering for you have 2 options. Either you keep going straight and correct directly after the impact, this will 80% of the time leave you without a penalty. Or you try to brake and fall back yet then they hit you with their door or rear bumper and you will get a penalty 80% of the time.

- When I am still behind (not level) before the braking point I will brake early out of the slipstream to fall behind and aim for a faster corner exit

- When I am fully alongside or ahead at the braking point on the inside I will brake a little early to stick to the inside line in the corner and leave over a car width of space at corner exit (not counting the curb or grass, leaving plenty room)
-> problem an outside dirty or oblivious driver will ram me at the apex, depending on whether he started braking on time he's either slightly ahead at point of impact or slightly behind. If he started braking late and tried cutting the corner as if I was not there, I usually get the penalty.

- When I am fully alongside or ahead at the braking point on the outside I will brake at the last moment that I can make the corner. If the inside car brakes a little early and I have room I will still leave a car width at the apex yet no more. If the inside car brakes alongside I will go as wide as I need to stay out of his way. If the inside car brakes too late I will brake longer in a straight line to let him go ahead into the sand.
-> Problem a dirty inside driver that first brakes on time, realizes his 'mistake' lets go of the brake and then uses me as a guide rail pushing me out at corner exit if not earlier. 50% of the time that gives me a penalty.

Those are not the only opportunities for penalties. I already got rammed right at the start in the last two chicanes, occasionally bump passed there by a corner cutter and receiving a penalty for it. Not qualifying doesn't mean starting last, it means starting behind the slowest qualifier, in front of the next fastest non qualifier.

Then there are the opportunities to get caught into a pinball fest. On Sarthe it's easy for groups to draft back up to you after you cleanly passed them all the previous chicane. Often the car in the back tried to dive overtake the whole group including me at the front and pinballed cars into me. The only option is to not brake and skip the chicane....

Plus Sarthe is incredibly harsh on avoiding dirty drivers. Step out of the track anywhere to dodge an attack or oblivious driver and you get a time penalty.

Despite all that, it is possible to have a good race at lower SR levels, it's just not possible to maintain or regain SR in a sprint race on Sarthe on Saturday. I had plenty fun races as well, and all those attacks didn't really hurt my pace and I could nearly always avoid getting punted of the track. Yet absorbing all those blows does add up. My DR was actually climbing until the final blow.

Tonight I'll see what happens on a daily C starting at D/E. I might be stuck down there until a cleaner daily C comes up. Mount Panorama GR.3 sits at an average of -2.8 SR per player per race. Sarthe hasn't updated yet for yesterday I think, it sits at -0.5 per player per race, probably the result of GR.3 on Sarthe as the daily C a little while back. Once my race history updates I'll check if it dropped from yesterdays B race.
 
Is there somewhere to see these stats? Is it on Kudos but i've missed it?

The stats I'm referring to are here
https://www.jasonguernsey.net/gts/tracks/by-category

It's very slow to load though and it lumps all daily races together per category. There is a huge difference between daily B and daily C races when it comes to SR which gets lost in that list. I'm guessing the info from 4 pm and later hasn't been added yet as my last race history is from the 3:10 pm race.

According to the official profile my stats for Sarthe are currently

Circuit de la Sarthe: 73 total races 2 wins 27 top 5 finish, no pole positions.
Average starting position 14.17 average finish position 7.76 average change -6.41
total laps 239 total laps lead 2

That includes all these variants
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Only GR.1 had positive SR, figure that.
(numbers are: nr of recorded races, max recorded SR gain for a race, highest recorded loss for a race, average gain, net change in SR pool)

I hope jasonguernsey's site gets the data so I can see what happened yesterday on Sarthe.
 
Unless you are an exceptionally good driver on tire management I presume changing tires will always give a better outcome with the tire model we have in game?

I've done both. A lot depends on the track/car combo and how smooth you are. If you are struggling to make your turns that you had no problems with before, probably a good idea to change tyres. Another good indicator is the recommended gear. If for example on a particular corner it was suggesting 2nd gear and now it's recommending 1st, probably a good idea to change tyres when you pit.

Second race I got disconnected so that was helpful but at least the race was on loading in so does that harm DR/SR at all?

So far when I've been disconnected when warmup has finished but the race hasn't loaded, I've not lost anything.
 
Was watching F1 racing today. Someone (well,I know the name, but no chance I spell it correctly) got a 10 sec penalty for wheel contact on a corner.

He served the penalty in the pit. Got me thinking. How does everyone here feel about having to make a pit stop to run off a penalty instead of just stopping and ghosting in the middle of the track?

Also, what's up with ghost cars being able to make me spin out lately?? Happened to me the other night on Race B at Village II.
 
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Was watching F1 racing today. Someone (well,I know the name, but no chance I spell it correctly) got a 10 sec penalty for wheel contact on a corner.

He served the penalty in the pit. Got me thinking. How does everyone here feel about having to make a pit stop to run off a penalty instead of just stopping and ghosting in the middle of the track?

Also, what's up with ghost cars being able to make me spin out lately?? Happened to me the other night on Race B at Village II.

Considering Sport Mode races are like ~10 minutes, going into the pit to serve even just a 1 second penalty would effectively put you in last place more often than not. Of course it's reasonable in a ~2 hour F1 race where anything can happen. But something like this would be the death of Sport Mode.

I personally don't even bother bleeding off a penalty that's greater than 1 second. it's Better to take your chances and carry it to the end, than bleeding it and ending up getting stuck behind slower drivers.
 
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I haven’t enter any online race for a long time now, but today I found some time speding with GTS. First I went with my daughter’s acc to accumulate 4x km for the daily car, then with mine. As I like Suzuka, it seemed to be a good idea to have some quali laps then a race in both accounts.

In B/S was quite lucky, just one idiot ruined my chicane once, having lost the chance to battle for P1 and get some penalty (oh, I remember, that’s why I gave up racing. Getting penalties for another car crashing me is still ridiculously fail, PD). Without this it could have been fun.

In A/S race it was a lot more disgusting. Unfortunatelly I had to met more “racers” there (S/S, A+/S, B/S mixed pack). Constant bumping, errors, wide-turning, pass attempts where it can end only in a crash, etc. I finished behind the one crashed me and made me spin out of track. How come?!? It was enough for another few months, thanks unbehaving idiots, thanks PD for this encouraging system.

The only funny monent was when I watched the replay to see who was the kind attacker, and from where was he coming. He was coming from an unreal exit, every icon was flashing red on his instruments, so instead of a decemt spin he gained some extra speed to come into my stream and ram me out at the next turn. Nice. Driving simulator :D
This way its more of a childplay, regardless of what it is called by Mr. Yamauchi’s team.
 
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By far my best night racing tonight happened on this track. Perfect track for the Audi TT Cup car.

As for Group 1, I know it's never been featured, but I like to do offline custom races and it's a great track for me to use the Audi '16 R18 on. As is the original Dragon Trails layout.
Pretty much. Sometimes tire changes are mandatory however, even if you're faster than the rest of the field. As a rough approximate on whether or not no tire change is a good strategy, 2-3 seconds off the pace before you pit is bad, 1-2 seconds off the pace is possible

I'm 2-3 seconds off the pace on new tires, have any strategy tips for that??:lol:
 
Yeah, I had my first S rank yesterday on Tokyo, and it was the worst experience I had online so far. Some hispanic dude (he swore on chat in spanish after every race) was blocking like crazy and ramming people into the wall on the front stretch, and also tried to overtake me on the fast, tight chicane (you know the one), ruined my race and finished in front of me too.

The next race, I finished in the top 10, he finished last place. Good. 'cause **** him.

And now I'm back to S rank... I don't know how to feel about this.
 
Yeah those rooms last night were rather unbalanced, for you at least. The podium battles were fun yet you were over half a minute ahead each time! You should still get a minimum of 1 DR per player, how much did you lose per race? It must be bugged, maybe they screwed up the minimum and you lose a few points per player that has over 40K DR less than you.

Since you sit at 63, you should still have gotten some points from me at 34, 22 DR. Yet those rooms had mostly dr.b, anyone below 23K could have resulted in negative DR for your win if PD screwed up.

Did you get in the final race? I got disconnected at waiting for other players, I wonder if it was the server of just one of those random disconnects.

I hope we don't have to wait too long for another go at N24, it was over far too quickly.





At 2:09, keep more distance I guess. The car in front wasn't sure if he should drive through the ghost or not. You got of light there as there were 4 contacts. The French guy screwed up then nobody spared any room for recovery. Ghosting is a double edged sword and I see it often leading to more incidents than it solves.
I was losing about 100 DR each race.

I think it was just a random disconnect.
 
The stats I'm referring to are here
https://www.jasonguernsey.net/gts/tracks/by-category

It's very slow to load though and it lumps all daily races together per category. There is a huge difference between daily B and daily C races when it comes to SR which gets lost in that list. I'm guessing the info from 4 pm and later hasn't been added yet as my last race history is from the 3:10 pm race.

According to the official profile my stats for Sarthe are currently

Circuit de la Sarthe: 73 total races 2 wins 27 top 5 finish, no pole positions.
Average starting position 14.17 average finish position 7.76 average change -6.41
total laps 239 total laps lead 2

That includes all these variants
GoQc.jpg

Only GR.1 had positive SR, figure that.
(numbers are: nr of recorded races, max recorded SR gain for a race, highest recorded loss for a race, average gain, net change in SR pool)

I hope jasonguernsey's site gets the data so I can see what happened yesterday on Sarthe.
Great post and information, thanks.

Yeah Le Sarthe updated will be good to see. Tomorrow i'm going to work on raising SR i'm thinking. Had seconds and thirds tonight at Suzuka but it's been a Megane lovefest as per usual on Gr.3.
 
@Sven Jurgens Scratch that just dropped to SR.D. Oh, nope wait, last race is in, down to SR.E, DR 3000.
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Sven, While I quite enjoy your posts (especially like the research on which color Dodge was best at Willow), i don't see in your profile or Kudos that you have been a DR E since you began
Sven, While I quite enjoy your posts (especially like the research on which color Dodge was best at willow), i don't see in your profile or Kudos that you have been a DR E since you began, and I wasn't aware that SR.E was a possible
 
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