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Daily Race B, 04:50 Room
Car Used: Porsche 911 RSR '17

Qualified on pole with my 1:57.339 time. Race starts and for the most of the race, the 2nd placed guy pretty much attempted to fight me throughout the entire race until the final corner on the final lap when he ended up steering into the wall, allowing me to take my 37th win with a fastest lap and a clean race bonus. Then, the 2nd placed guy complemented my race, and I said "That race was incredible!" As soon as I wanted to feel sorry about his crash, he left...
 
I had a chance to drive the cayman. I drove 20 laps and I'm pretty happy. My first full lap was a mid 11 and the times kept dropping. Did a string of 2:10's, caught the wall after the bridge coming out and did a 2:15, did a string of 9's, another mistake, and then it came together for a lap and I pulled a 2:08.4xx out of my hat. First race I started 3rd, finished 5th. Had a guy bump drafting me...took the SR hit. Second race I got pole, and drafted into the lead and me and p2 pulled away and battled for most of the race. I caught that wall coming out of the bridge turn twice in that race. 10 seconds. Finished 2nd to that lambo I diced with. He qualified on mediums to set his high 2:08. My best race lap was a low 10. I finished 15 seconds back after burning my penalties. I took almost 2 seconds off my Q, and about the same off my race pace at that track in this car, so I'm happy:D
 
Day 400. 1 race B today. Gained 1 position (woo, yes). First + DR day this week. And got a great Daily Workout gift, Red '63 Corvette C2. Good day.
 
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The 458 Italia is a joy to drive at Tokyo. It's not unlike the Cayman in the way it wears its tyres.
Top speed is about the same but the acceleration in the intermediate gears is on par with the faster cars so it's easier to latch on to a draft coming out of the final hairpin. It's a dream to drive through the middle sector. It has a positive front end and a stable rear.
You can really push through the sweepers and dirty air isn't a big problem.
 
Up early again. Oh well race time! First race I get reminded how much GTS is still an arcade game. 4am race, mixed grid. I pass a few in T1, one driver drafts back up and does the dumb thing of trying to overtake under the bridge on the inside with just a nose next to my bumper. Of course he misses his brake point, I try to avoid, brace for impact and touch the wall, small ding, instant 5 sec for me. Since he's DR.D the game ghosts him and lets him pass safely through me, overtake successful and I have a 5 sec penalty...

Then later I come around the hairpin before the straight which I take on the inside for safety. Some idiot has left the bins all over the place. Can't avoid, lose a lot of speed and my draft to the car in front. What RL race leaves obstacle lying around on the race line. Next lap the bins have shifted and I can't avoid them again around that blind corner, ugh.

4:30 am is up. 16 entries, A/S to E/C. The game really needs to put the DR/SR combo with the driver's names so I can know what rules I'm racing against with each driver.

Oh yeah!
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Not without controversy though. One dirty driver hits me from behind in the final lap then deliberately steers into the inside wall to give me a 2 sec penalty. He hit me as he last second blocked the car behind him to steal his momentum so he could draft bump me on the way to the bridge. Anyway I still managed to over take first place and scrub the penalty in time to win with 0.4 sec. Fresh tires for the win.

That driver did it to someone else as well, good luck in the next race with multiple reports against you. Let's see if this DQ system works! Luckily only -2 SR from that driver, 97.

Next up, 15 entries, he's there again as B/A, SR is still going down to C. 5 people didn't finish the race, the trouble maker did while dropping to SR.B. I finished 3rd, 1.5 sec behind a no stop Cayman. I still got the fastest lap yet had no one to draft for the last 2 laps. Still going from 5 sec behind to 1.5 sec in the last lap is pretty good :)

5:30 am, 11 entries down to SR.B, a bit more narrow this time. Trouble maker is still there starting 3rd. I start 9th, one didn't make it into the room. I find myself in 2nd place already in lap 2, now it's a one on one chase with the other DR.A in first. I gain some ground and we both enter the pit in lap 4, me 3 seconds behind. 2 cars pass me when I get out of the pit, they mess up first place at T1 who winds up with a wall penalty. I pass the 2 stragglers and get close behind first. He decides to scrub some of his penalty before the last lap on the way to the hairpin. He indicates for me to go around to catch me after the turn yet misjudges how fast I take the corner and can't get my draft. Another victory with fastest lap! Trouble maker finishes with a red B again.

6 am, a bigger room, 17 down to SR.B. I pit lap 4 in 2nd place, 3.8 sec behind, and fall to 6th place. 5th place messes up the bridge part and I have to brake hard losing a lot of time. That's the risk of pitting and how no stoppers get to win! Trouble maker wasn't there this time, of course there's a new one messing me up in the final lap, always that bridge section., Luckily no penalty and I finish 2nd, 2 sec behind the no stopper, another 14 positions gained with fastest lap, fun fun.

6:30 am, 15 entries down to SR.D, not a popular time slot I guess. There are a few questionable people in the room, yet I don't expect any big problems. Game on. Scratch that only 13 made it in, starting 12th.
Boy was I wrong, what a mess the first 2 laps. I got rammed into the wall 3 times, and each time the game let them get away with it. As long as I don't get penalties for getting rammed it's fine. One driver dropped to SR.E after the race while another already had over 20 sec penalties in lap 1... The rest of the race went well, I pit in 3rd place, drop to 7th, pas 3 in the twisty bit and the last one on the straight, back to 3rd. However with all the delays I am 12 sec behind the leaders with 2 laps left. I finish third.

7 am, last one for now. 19 entries, S/S and A/S at the top, E/E in the room, seriously... 2 drop out after loading, I start 17th. E/E starts in 9th.
What a mess. The E/E drivers gets DQ with 25 second racked up in lap 2, However not before he messes up the car in front of me who bounces off the wall into me and this time I get 2 sec penalty.
I pit in the 3rd lap in 7th since I have no one to draft and drop to 12th. I make it back to 7th yet then there is another idiot trying to go 2 wide under the bridge on my inside with only a bumper next to my rear wheel. He brakes too late and pushes me against the right wall. I manage to save it and leave him more than a car width room at exit yet he brushes the wall anyway and falls back. No penalties issued. I guess he got mad he couldn't pass me and punts me so hard at the hairpin I get reset all the way back before it. He gets 4 sec penalty, I lose at least 9 seconds from that punt... 2:18 lap. Your penalty system is a joke PD. He dropped to SR.E after the race, at least there's that. I finish 9th and lose 6 SR for getting punted and pushed around.

Good night of racing, yet when the kids get out of bed it gets rough!
 
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Had a hat-trick of 2nd places today. A little bit disappointed as I probably should've won 2 of them but I had penalties. Oh well.
First race, tried the Ferrari 458 on softs on a one-stop strategy. Started on pole and was building a 1-1.5 sec/lap gap over some no-stopping Caymans, Huracans and a GTR and then I made a silly mistake on lap 4 and got a 5-sec penalty for a wall collision. Passed all the non-stoppers either on lap 8 or 9, but couldn't burn enough of my penalty at the end and had to settle for 2nd.

Second race I decided to join the no-stopper train. I tried the Toyota 86 on softs as it has good tyre life, but regretted the top-speed. Started on pole, but quickly got passed by the usual Huracan's and Caymans. Fortunately I was able to stay in the slipstream of the leading pack, and starting the final lap I made my move. I was side by side with the Huracan in T1 and T2 (me on the inside), gave it room, but there was a slight touch and he brushed the wall so I got a 5 sec penalty :mad:. I had much better tyres, pushed for the remainder of the lap, but again I couldn't burn enough of the penalty, (I misjudged the finish line too) and crossed the line 1st but ended losing by 1.3 sec because of 2 sec of remaining penalties.

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Third race I caved in and tried the Cayman on softs. Started 2nd behind another Cayman, and working together, we separated ourselves from the chasing Huracan pack. By lap 6, my front softs were suffering, and could only keep in touch but not threaten the other Cayman. As it turns out, the other Cayman was running Med on the front, and softs on the rear.

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Non-stopping with the Cayman was between 5-10 seconds faster overall than all my other races where I pitted. So in the right race situation, it's definitely a very good car/strategy. Better late than never I guess!
 
I don't know if I can take this any longer. Really love online racing, but ...

What a freaking joke again. Starting from pole in Tokio East...
Guys slipstream, 2 overtake and I get hit from all sides during turns 1-5. Get the "disqualification warning" after half a lap. Next corner I get bumped from behind and I am out. Quickest race ever! Just 1:20.

Down to SR=E and driver rating erased from 35.000 two days ago...
Wanted to give it one more go, but kicked at race start this time.
They are just begging me to quit!

Any recommendations for a more enjoyable online game on PS4?
I wonder why the game is on sale for €15 at the local stores here... They have ridiculously high sale prices for all games (compared to online). GT sport is the only exception.
 
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I was not believing all that SR losses complains... until now that I'm a SR. B
That's track is nice, but not for online-nothing-to-loose races.

Also that game has another very very stupid parts, like:
1- get a penalty on the lambo when using the hood/roof - the warning will completely block your view so you have to guess apexes.
2- that cone jumps... that cars are low, should just kick them away...
3- on tokyo you cannot see the finish line because all the front car info (name, flag...)
4- why it doesnt always uses softs, even for that race A anb B, makes it feel so much better. At least you feel some traction.
 
Yes. Pick your tracks carefully. Don't race on the ones like Tokyo where it is almost inevitable that you will lose massive amounts of SR.

Sound advise. I won't touch any of the Tokyo configurations, but sometimes like a lemming at the cliff the compulsion to race at certain tracks is irresistible. For me that would be Nurburgring and Mount Panorama :lol:.
 
Race Maggiore, it's fun! (And wide)
I don't know if I can take this any longer. Really love online racing, but ...

What a freaking joke again. Starting from pole in Tokio East...
Guys slipstream, 2 overtake and I get hit from all sides during turns 1-5. Get the "disqualification warning" after half a lap. Next corner I get bumped from behind and I am out. Quickest race ever! Just 1:20.

Down to SR=E and driver rating erased from 35.000 two days ago...
Wanted to give it one more go, but kicked at race start this time.
They are just begging me to quit!

Any recommendations for a more enjoyable online game on PS4?
I wonder why the game is on sale for €15 at the local stores here... They have ridiculously high sale prices for all games (compared to online). GT sport is the only exception.

Typical, I've been waiting so long for another go at Maggiore Reverse on the Dailies and it arrives when I'm away for Christmas!!

I get such a buzz coming around that opening blind right hander and into the first sector!

Enjoy lads.
The 'esses' are sublime in this reversed layout!
 
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I don't know if I can take this any longer. Really love online racing, but ...

What a freaking joke again. Starting from pole in Tokio East...
Guys slipstream, 2 overtake and I get hit from all sides during turns 1-5. Get the "disqualification warning" after half a lap. Next corner I get bumped from behind and I am out. Quickest race ever! Just 1:20.

Down to SR=E and driver rating erased from 35.000 two days ago...
Wanted to give it one more go, but kicked at race start this time.
They are just begging me to quit!

Any recommendations for a more enjoyable online game on PS4?
I wonder why the game is on sale for €15 at the local stores here... They have ridiculously high sale prices for all games (compared to online). GT sport is the only exception.
You are not alone, being frustrated. I can't understand how PD can't do a better job with SR. Bump drafting, for instance. I understand that there was a problem with brake checks before the update, but if I'm flat out, full throttle on the straight, near my top speed, a bump from behind shouldn't cost me, or the person bumping if speeds are close. If speeds are within 4mph, lets say, and the bump doesn't upset the lead car (no yaw), then no penalties. No bumping within 300 ft of the braking zone. In real racing, the lead car has the right of way, and the following car is responsible for not colliding with those in front, so the following car should be penalized if contact is made. To avoid brake checks, penalize the front car if he brakes more than 10% (or whatever is deemed effective) early, or more, than average for his car/tire/driving level. Take into account traffic in the corner and line taken. Im no game programmer, but it seems to me this is possible.
 
I do understand the idea that some tracks are bad for SR and all that, but I feel like if people avoided all tracks which potentially bring the worst out of the penalty system, SR system, or just other players in general, there would be practically no tracks that people would race on.

Generally the following are seen as tracks to avoid:
- Any street circuit
- Any large braking zone as Turn 1 or early on
- Any circuit with a tight section where side-by-side racing is practically impossible
- Any uncommon reverse layout
- Any oval
- Any dirt track
- Any circuit with very few easy overtaking zones, meaning people may get desperate
- Any circuit with large track limit exploits, for different reasons are seen to avoid by some

What does that leave?
- Yamagiwa, plus the Combined Layout, reverse layout maybe okay too as not too uncommon
- Maybe Suzuka?
- Barcelona* (does the chicane exploit still exist?)
- Sainte Croix
- La Sarthe
- Maybe Interlagos but I always hear people complaining about it being bad for SR
- Maybe Lago Maggiore but the various track cuts mean people may disagree
 
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I do understand the idea that some tracks are bad for SR and all that, but I feel like if people avoided all tracks which potentially bring the worst out of the penalty system, SR system, or just other players in general, there would be practically no tracks that people would race on.

Generally the following are seen as tracks to avoid:
- Any street circuit
- Any large braking zone as Turn 1 or early on
- Any circuit with a tight section where side-by-side racing is practically impossible
- Any uncommon reverse layout
- Any oval
- Any dirt track
- Any circuit with very few easy overtaking zones, meaning people may get desperate
- Any circuit with large track limit exploits, for different reasons are seen to avoid by some

What does that leave?
- Yamagiwa, plus the Combined Layout, reverse layout maybe okay too as not too uncommon
- Maybe Suzuka?
- Barcelona* (does the chicane exploit still exist?)
- Sainte Croix
- La Sarthe
- Maybe Interlagos but I always hear people complaining about it being bad for SR
- Maybe Lago Maggiore but the various track cuts mean people may disagree

The problem is, people don't know their limits or don't drive within them. Wide tracks aren't necessarily better, Maggiore invites just as many dive bombs. I prefer tight technical tracks like N24, Mount Panorama, Brand's hatch and Big Willow. Tokyo fits in there as well. You have to drive within your limits or the unforgiving track limits will get you. Learn to stay on the road first no matter how you enter the corner, then start thinking about passing.

Racing accident free is not much different from driving on the road. Look 3 cars ahead or more to anticipate what's going to happen while keeping an eye on what happens behind. Don't swerve in braking zones, let the dive bomb through, slow in fast out will always give you options to adjust lines mid corner. Anticipate to leave room for cars messing up. Racing successfully online is totally different from hot lapping.

Don't avoid the tracks, avoid the wreckers. Back out when you're not 100% sure you can make a pass stick. Learn the safe places to be in in corners when there's unruly traffic behind. Practice live in races. Hours of qualifying will only put you more in danger. You'll be conditioned to race one line and likely can't stick to your qualifying pace while people behind draft into you. It's not the kind of practice that will make you successful in the race. That's just my 2 cents after 5000 races and giving up on qualifying all together :)
 
The 458 Italia is a joy to drive at Tokyo. It's not unlike the Cayman in the way it wears its tyres.
Top speed is about the same but the acceleration in the intermediate gears is on par with the faster cars so it's easier to latch on to a draft coming out of the final hairpin. It's a dream to drive through the middle sector. It has a positive front end and a stable rear.
You can really push through the sweepers and dirty air isn't a big problem.

I think after the immense fun I had with the Ferrari at Suzuka last week, it's got to be my new go-to Group 4 wheels. Especially on twisty tracks. Still a little gutted I won't be home in time to catch the Maggiore Reverse Daily :confused:
 
What does that leave?
- Yamagiwa, plus the Combined Layout, reverse layout maybe okay too as not too uncommon
- Maybe Suzuka?
- Barcelona* (does the chicane exploit still exist?)
- Sainte Croix
- La Sarthe
- Maybe Interlagos but I always hear people complaining about it being bad for SR
- Maybe Lago Maggiore but the various track cuts mean people may disagree

Suzuka and Brands Hatch GP have been the best for building SR for me. Lago Maggiore too.
 
I’m still unsure if there’s a benefit to no qualification time. When I pick my best car, practice consistently and log a great but consistent time, I reproduce in the race perfectly. The problem is I only gain 1 position and typically start around 7 th on the grid. Building DR is a struggle.

The positive is that I race among great clean drivers, very skilled and race using their heads. But, a good second faster than me so hardly a chance to cleanly overtake and maintain. So I don’t. I basically wait for one of them to make a major mistake.

That said, if I don’t qualify, I end up surrounded by very chaotic drivers who are clearly new to the sport. Many jerking around using a controller, not a wheel. They’re trying but they are so nervous and have so little skill that I can’t get around them. So DR and SR suffers.

Suggestions? Should I set a low but not too low time?
 
Just one Race C this morning before going to work. Used my European account, and had just been promoted to C/S (99 rating). Oh, cleaner, faster racing....bring it on!

Started 7th on the grid, and come turn 3 I was down to 11th with 5 seconds of penalties through being used as a battering ram for others to take 2 corners.

Man, I wanna go back to D/S where the racing is somewhat cleaner. DR C are just brutal; and I forgot how bad this group is. Dropped 10 SR points through constantly being pushed into walls, but did gain 612 DR points....whoo hoo, I think!

Did manage to finish 6th, though a German driver in 7th with 10 seconds of penalties decided to block, brake check and weave all the way towards the final hairpin. What was the point? You've got 10 seconds of penalties....you're going to lose the position anyway.

I have a feeling this weekend is going to be brutal within Race C.
 
Started 7th on the grid, and come turn 3 I was down to 11th with 5 seconds of penalties through being used as a battering ram for others to take 2 corners.
After doing a bunch of C races, this week, I learned to never be on the outside on turn 1. It's worth letting someone go by, to get to the inside.
 
@sturk0167, sadly I was on the inside at Turn 1, but I think I left a millimetre of space to the wall, and that was enough for 2 cars to think it was an open invitation to pass.
 
Started second in my one attempt at Race C yesterday,
The 458 Italia is a joy to drive at Tokyo. It's not unlike the Cayman in the way it wears its tyres.
Top speed is about the same but the acceleration in the intermediate gears is on par with the faster cars so it's easier to latch on to a draft coming out of the final hairpin. It's a dream to drive through the middle sector. It has a positive front end and a stable rear.
You can really push through the sweepers and dirty air isn't a big problem.

Plus you are obligated to rev the 🤬 out of it.

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I was hoping for a tow from the Huracans on the straight but they usually ran wide at the final hairpin and I would get the place back before the straight. Gave up racing them on the infield, the racing was robustly enthusiastic as opposed to any dirty driving.
Followed them to the end, they were both carrying penalties, (one of them had over 20 seconds worth, I picked up 10s which I scrubbed of before the finish line), finished in 4th with a non-stop on soft tyres, DR went up 600 points.

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Tyres drove better than they looked at the end, one thing though, I seemed to have a fair amount of fuel left at the end :confused:
 
do we know already what we will have next week?
I'm done for this week C race, as now I am a SR B driver. outch!
 
Had a hat-trick of 2nd places today. A little bit disappointed as I probably should've won 2 of them but I had penalties. Oh well.
First race, tried the Ferrari 458 on softs on a one-stop strategy. Started on pole and was building a 1-1.5 sec/lap gap over some no-stopping Caymans, Huracans and a GTR and then I made a silly mistake on lap 4 and got a 5-sec penalty for a wall collision. Passed all the non-stoppers either on lap 8 or 9, but couldn't burn enough of my penalty at the end and had to settle for 2nd.
I found, when doing a 1 stop, that burning penalty time from the first stint in the pits worked. You have to start from a dead stop anyway, and that way I can run hard and clean to the finish without worrying about scrubbing the time. Don't know if it would work with a busy pit, since I had it to myself when I pitted.
 
I’m still unsure if there’s a benefit to no qualification time. When I pick my best car, practice consistently and log a great but consistent time, I reproduce in the race perfectly. The problem is I only gain 1 position and typically start around 7 th on the grid. Building DR is a struggle.

The positive is that I race among great clean drivers, very skilled and race using their heads. But, a good second faster than me so hardly a chance to cleanly overtake and maintain. So I don’t. I basically wait for one of them to make a major mistake.

That said, if I don’t qualify, I end up surrounded by very chaotic drivers who are clearly new to the sport. Many jerking around using a controller, not a wheel. They’re trying but they are so nervous and have so little skill that I can’t get around them. So DR and SR suffers.

Suggestions? Should I set a low but not too low time?

If you don't have problems with people crashing into you in T1 from where you start, then starting lower won't help to build DR. Only getting faster will do that. Not qualifying only helps when you start mid pack on for example Monza and get rear ended in T1 every time.

You can put some pressure on the cars in front. Feign moves and back out again to get them off their preferred line. Go side by side with clean drivers and at some point they will realize you are both losing time to the front and choose to let you go first to attempt to pass again later.

One dirty little secret to farming DR is to drop to SR.A. You'll start higher, much easier to win and you will still be gaining DR from all the lower DR drivers in the back. Finish position is all that counts.

@sturk0167, sadly I was on the inside at Turn 1, but I think I left a millimetre of space to the wall, and that was enough for 2 cars to think it was an open invitation to pass.

When needed I practically attach my mirror to the inside wall and stay glued to it through T1, nothing but stripy road through the corner. Very much necessary to stay clear of the cars bouncing of the outside wall and the dives coming in from behind.

To make my point, I just violated my rule and took the outside as the inside was congested with penalty drivers, instantly got used as a bumper by a Sirocco that carried so much speed he still hit the wall after bumping my inside. 5 sec penalty for me. You can not take the outside in T1 if there is any traffic. This was a full SR.S room.

Beware of a new dirty tactic. Following a penalty driver into the pit, they will burn a bit of penalty on pit entry to let you ghost through them and get out right behind you, then draft bump you to get your SR Down and time their over take. It's pretty clever really, reported. (He mistimed his over take, then hit the wall, red S for me though)
 
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I'm still lurking in Race B, cycling through cars but in between using my favourites (Z4, Nissan). The Citroen GT is quite good, turns nicely in the twisty bits. Slight slippage. The Alfa 4C is worse for it though. Tiny body less stable, as a result loses more time in the esses making it slower. Think I will have done all Gr3 cars by the end of the week, aside from the Beetle because I don't own one!! (Never won one, and why would I buy a car that wants to face in the opposite direction to all the other cars?).

Was really impressed with the Atenza though, set 2 fastest laps in it, and then after that race knocked a good second off my quali in it beating my time from the RSR the other day.

So, aside from the meta, the Atenza and Nissan are the best chances for me to set fastest laps and win races. I don't like the handling characteristics of Porsche in general so I enjoy finding out where on the circuit other cars can beat them in order to stay competitive.
 
I’m still unsure if there’s a benefit to no qualification time. When I pick my best car, practice consistently and log a great but consistent time, I reproduce in the race perfectly. The problem is I only gain 1 position and typically start around 7 th on the grid. Building DR is a struggle.

The positive is that I race among great clean drivers, very skilled and race using their heads. But, a good second faster than me so hardly a chance to cleanly overtake and maintain. So I don’t. I basically wait for one of them to make a major mistake.

That said, if I don’t qualify, I end up surrounded by very chaotic drivers who are clearly new to the sport. Many jerking around using a controller, not a wheel. They’re trying but they are so nervous and have so little skill that I can’t get around them. So DR and SR suffers.

Suggestions? Should I set a low but not too low time?
I don't think that not qualifying can work unless you're fast enough to win and podium against the other drivers, like Sven. I imagine that he is capable of getting pole, or at least top 3 times, for most of his races that he run's from the back. I think you need to be fast enough to get clear of anyone below top 5, or you get caught in the chaos. One reason I'm liking the cayman so far is that the cornering speed is high enough that I can sweep by slower cars in the S curves fast enough that they can't retaliate...assuming I get through clean.
 
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