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Ive think I have found a way to get cleaner races in the lower SR Ranks. Not always but sometimes. I think it helped me much.. I had crazy aggressive blocking bumping drivers start racing clean allowing overtakes and they turned IMO into decent Racers.

Calculated and carefully worded auto greeting message and auto after race message


Many say stuff like race clean please stuff like that, so did mine but I started to figure this is an opportunity to manipulate the crappy drivers into driving better.. I hate to be a manipulator but in this case I think its worth it lolololol

My message has to make aggressive I want to Win like I do in Single player mode drivers WANT to instead show how bad arse they are by driving clean, I want them to feel like the win is secondary to proving they are not crap. Got to get the "As long as I win Im the best" out o their head

Only so many words to do it in too the text box limited.

I tried a few things and ended up with something simple, to the point and seemingly effective. Now keep in mind this is mind trickery that on the surface looks like nothing its playing on the Bravado of aggressive males, these being the target audience. This also comes with strategic AFTER race chatter, one can never appear to lose their cool, have to be calm at all times or it wont work. I lost my cool a few times and it dont make anybody else drive any better.

Pre Race Auto Text
"""If you Bump or Cut You SucK D! Race Clean = RESPECT"""

Post Race Auto Text
"""All those Drivers who are trying to Race Clean RESPECT"""""


If I get hit bumped etc I don't flip out. you HAVE to be CALM and collective or this wont work as well. Ill say something like good driving, nice win, but can you do that without bumping block short cuts whatever it is they doing. I try not to attack them like an opponent but approach them like a Buddy


It seems to work, Some SRB races that were pretty darn clean / had drivers trying their best and in this case if a newb bumps me and I take a penalty NO PROBLEM its okay Bud just keep in mind going in corners with people in front of you you cant take the corner like its Time Trial give yourself room to maneuver. People are much more willing to accept advice when its not coming at them like an attack, newbs do have the right to play its on us to lead by example with courtesy.
 
Improved my Gr.2 @ Suzuka time to a 1:49.480 which means I'm under 2 seconds slower than @Deafsun. I still feel like I can do better but here is a video of the lap.



Edit: Disappointed on this one. I run a 1:48 if I don't mess up Spoon. Optimal is now a 1:48.765 and I know I can hit that time. Here's the video of the new lap.

 
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I feel like I'm doing pretty well on Fuji this week but DR is going nowhere. Oh well, at least it's not going down. Loving Fuji. Super good racing.

I am gaining more than half my spots from staying penalty free. Especially on the last lap, final couple of turns. I've been lucky. But almost every race I pass a few ghosts.
 
Damn, one of those races. 2 penalties and SR Downs dropping me to 84 in one race on Suzuka. One car loses control in front of me, can't avoid him even though I'm slowing down and staying in control. Penalty. Later a track re-entry not paying attention. He unghosts next to me and drives into me, bounces off, penalty 2. SR downs from people bumping me from behind in traffic, then the let me serve my penalty right in front of you on the way to the chicane and press the gas while blocking. Oh well, that's the price to pay for gaining 13 positions. Better next race.

I missed my opportunity to check what the max SR increase could be. Got hit from behind again in traffic, SR Down, reducing SR increase to 12 points. I was set to finish 3rd, however I nicked an inch of the outside kerb towards the chicane. There's something wrong with that kerb, it's a pinball bumper. Better go over when you think you are getting too close or it's instant spin city. I finished 5th, still 9 positions up, all good, back to 96 SR.

The race after seemed to be scraping the barrel to get a room together, including D/E riff raff like @sturk0167 :confused:. I was the only DR.A in the room (well next to @sturk0167 technically) and found myself in 2nd in lap 2. First had a penalty and wasn't all that hard to catch up to. A clean pass at the chicane and I remained in the lead for the rest of the race.
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Back to SR.99, DR still lower than yesterday thanks to a disconnect in the middle of a race earlier.

@sturk0167 went from SR.E to SR.B in one race. boost in full effect. Sometimes it's better to drop to SR.E to slingshot back up in SR. Good luck regaining DR, that's a lot harder. Now I wonder what 'incident' you had. My incidents cost me 15 SR, what 'incident' drops you to E!
 
I feel like I'm doing pretty well on Fuji this week but DR is going nowhere. Oh well, at least it's not going down. Loving Fuji. Super good racing.

I am gaining more than half my spots from staying penalty free. Especially on the last lap, final couple of turns. I've been lucky. But almost every race I pass a few ghosts.

On my climb back to S rank SR I was at the front off my Q time in low SR races, my DR got up to 23k

Back at SR S Im at the BACK of the pack (least was last night) and got my DR dropped back to 22k and leveled off there with how Im finishing.

Are you finishing first and still not getting SR up, if so looks like the higher DR racers might be in the other events,need the competition to build DR

Good luck regaining DR, that's a lot harder. Now I wonder what 'incident' you had. My incidents cost me 15 SR, what 'incident' drops you to E!

Me SR99 to SR18 Bro

I think it was 5 or 6 collision penalties one of them intentional zero brake hit

check last page for post on it
 
NFI how you get below a 32. I've never bettered a 33.3 but can see how guys can run a 32 ... but 31 ... ridiculous. Go back to mars.

33.3 it’s great! I haven’t been able to top 33.4 since Monday, man Interlagos throws me for loops, I just can’t figure it out lol.
 
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You gained 13 positions in 1 race? :eek:

Holy cow. One day I hope to have a race like that.

Race at lunch time on the N/A server (without qualifying), that was the 11am (EST) race. The game fills the room as much as possible, yet it's only a few DR.A going down to DR.D. The hard part is not hitting people sliding all over the place. If you race too early, rooms are down to 3 to 9 entries.

My best is a victory from 17th on Mount Panorama race C at midnight EST in the Lexus (GR.3). It's quite the rush :) I've raced that track 685 times, my most raced track, so not for lack of trying lol.
 
Had another attempt in the RSR and improved a bit but still not happy.. 1.33.273


Then switched to the Lexus RC F for a time of 1.33.119
The Lexus is a much easier car to drive

He was good to race, very good to race, so maybe i did the right thing as I am not great through that corner.

The Aston is MONSTER through S1 and S3 at interlagos, i am baffled more folks don't use it. only the Mustang hangs with it on the straights and it has far better brakes than the Ford IMHO. It struggles a bit in S2, especially changes of direction but I view porsches with glee as i gobble them up in from the last turn through to the tyricky left at the end of S1.
I also like the Aston. It may not be the car for the fastest time, but it is great in a race. I think it's because it accelerates really well. Even with a bad corner exit, I can stay with or make up time on most cars. It's easy to pass cars because of it's acceleration, and really hard for others to pass you for the same reason. I've probably made more real passes for position with that car than any other, and at Interlagos, with a good last corner, I can get around pretty much any other car in my race. The mazda is the exact opposite.
 
Now I wonder what 'incident' you had. My incidents cost me 15 SR, what 'incident' drops you to E!
Well, it was one of those one-in-a-million things. I was racing last night, and you know those helicopters that fly above the track and film the race? Well, one of them ran out of fuel, or had a mechanical problem. The damn thing crashed right onto the track, right in front of me. I had nowhere to go, and I knocked it off the track. The SR down arrow I got was not an orange one. It was bright red, with flames on it.

Do not hit any aircraft. It takes away all of your DR and SR!
 
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I managed a 1.31.6 in the SLS. Try +2 break bias. 3rd gear for T1, 3rd gear for the turn-in into 4th gear midway through Ferradura to cancel out the oversteer.



I'm not really in a position to 'coach' since i'm far from an alien but your biggest issue right now is not utilizing all of the available track and poor timing with breaking and hitting the apex.
Thanks, this is good advice!
 
Well, it was one of those one-in-a-million things. I was racing last night, and you know those helicopters that fly above the track and film the race? Well, one of them ran out of fuel, or had a mechanical problem. The damn thing crashed right onto the track, right in front of me. I had nowhere to go, and drilled it. The SR down arrow I got was not an orange one. It was bright red, with flames on it.

Do not hit any aircraft. It takes away all of your DR and SR!
What kind of crazy update did you download? :p
 
Im starting to think guys like me shouldn't YET have access to Sport mode or at least all of it and the game has stuff to do this.

Track Experience & Licence Test these 2 things should HAVE to be completed before gaining access to Sport mode. As it is I think we just have to watch a video or more like let it play while they take a piss.

Im only 50% done license test so far nothing on overtaking.

I'm 2% Track Experience. I completed Fuji only. I have Gran Turismo Experience but not GTSport thats the key.

Track Experience is perfect because it teaches the tracks we will be driving on. Licence test should have high focus on proper overtaking maneuvers. Veterans shouldn't complain if we that good it wont be an issue. Just a few hours if that, but we will know new tracks and physics dynamics going in to Sport Mode.

Too much Learning going on in Sport mode from myself included. I will do more practice before taking on any new events.
 
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Im starting to think guys like me shouldn't YET have access to Sport mode or at least all of it and the game has stuff to do this.

Track Experience & Licence Test these 2 things should HAVE to be completed before gaining access to Sport mode. As it is I think we just have to watch a video or more like let it play while they take a piss.

Track Experience is perfect because it teaches the tracks we will be driving on. Licence test should have high focus on proper overtaking maneuvers.

Too much Learning going on in Sport mode from myself included. I will do more practice before taking on any new events.
I always try to make sure I know the track/car combo well enough to drive consistently and keep in control. I haven't raced Suzuka yet because of that. I did get a handle on it last night while testing my seat setup, and set a better Q time to boot, but I didn't race because I had a couple of beers in me and don't think it's fair to everyone else to race with a buzz. Could I have...sure. May have even won, and I doubt anyone would have known I had a buzz, but If I screwed up, and messed up someone else's race, I would know. You WILL see me at Suzuka tonight, though.
 
Well, it was one of those one-in-a-million things. I was racing last night, and you know those helicopters that fly above the track and film the race? Well, one of them ran out of fuel, or had a mechanical problem. The damn thing crashed right onto the track, right in front of me. I had nowhere to go, and I knocked it off the track. The SR down arrow I got was not an orange one. It was bright red, with flames on it.

Do not hit any aircraft. It takes away all of your DR and SR!

I suspect a little truth bending going on here. I checked the replay. He did not run out of fuel, you hit a cone.
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I always try to make sure I know the track/car combo well enough to drive consistently and keep in control. I haven't raced Suzuka yet because of that. I did get a handle on it last night while testing my seat setup, and set a better Q time to boot, but I didn't race because I had a couple of beers in me and don't think it's fair to everyone else to race with a buzz. Could I have...sure. May have even won, and I doubt anyone would have known I had a buzz, but If I screwed up, and messed up someone else's race, I would know. You WILL see me at Suzuka tonight, though.
Definitely try that race. I felt the same way about it, after a lot of lousy qualifying laps, yesterday. But, I needed to do it this morning, because of last night's incident, ya know. The C race is always best for regaining SR. I figured I would just cruise around, nice and easy, and let everybody by who came close. I thought about just pulling over at the drop of the green flag, so I wouldn't be near anyone. It turned out not to be necessary, because the majority of racers were struggling there.

I did 2 races there, where I fully expected to get embarrassed, because of my discouraging test laps. A few guys are pretty good there (@Sven Jurgens), but most are not. I finished 3rd both times, and went from SR:E to SR:A (9 to 71). :lol:
 
I suspect a little truth bending going on here. I checked the replay. He did not run out of fuel, you hit a cone.
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Oh, damn! Is that what it was? Last night's still a little foggy. The last thing I remember was drinking beers with @Rexracer702 and deciding to do some Raptor rally racing.
Clearly that helicopter was blocking, and he probably didn't even get a penalty.
 
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Suzuka is immensely difficult in this game, i've played harder games where Suzuka was more manageable.
I think in part its due to Gr.2 cars. They are very challenging to drive at peak level.

Im starting to think guys like me shouldn't YET have access to Sport mode or at least all of it and the game has stuff to do this.

Track Experience & Licence Test these 2 things should HAVE to be completed before gaining access to Sport mode. As it is I think we just have to watch a video or more like let it play while they take a piss.

Im only 50% done license test so far nothing on overtaking.

I'm 2% Track Experience. I completed Fuji only. I have Gran Turismo Experience but not GTSport thats the key.

Track Experience is perfect because it teaches the tracks we will be driving on. Licence test should have high focus on proper overtaking maneuvers. Veterans shouldn't complain if we that good it wont be an issue. Just a few hours if that, but we will know new tracks and physics dynamics going in to Sport Mode.

Too much Learning going on in Sport mode from myself included. I will do more practice before taking on any new events.

I think Sport Mode is perfect for learning. Just excersize caution and don't push the limit when you're learning. Smooth is fast!
 
I do something similar. Practicing with car at the track before I feel comfortable going in. A few things this won't teach you about a new track that going in an event has to be done in order to learn is how others drive the track in packs.

This is much easier with more seat time. I guess more online experienced mixed with more track experience one can go in new events already familiar but for me, so far I've only Raced 2 tracks online. Each one I had to familiarize myself with how others drive the track together.

Fuji I know, but not online racing at Fuji. First few races I was a hazard because I was braking early, giving room, thinking the guys bumping me are Jerks. Problem really was me. A slow car in a pack of fast cars is hazardous.

First lesson

Dont give curticy space or brake too too early. Because Im riving unpredictably, slowing down like that is great for guy in front of you but lousy for the guy behind, giving space taking bizarre lines confuses other drivers WTF is this guy doing. Drive your car properly. My strategy going forward will be race but maybe not make any blocks, passes or anything too defensive or offensive until I catch the rhythim

FIND THE RHYTHIM

Once I caught the rhythim of other drivers I can push how late Im braking to where my im slowed and turn in right after the car in front completed his turn and is out of my trajectory vs him still there getting bumped from behind.
 
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Im starting to think guys like me shouldn't YET have access to Sport mode or at least all of it and the game has stuff to do this.

Track Experience & Licence Test these 2 things should HAVE to be completed before gaining access to Sport mode. As it is I think we just have to watch a video or more like let it play while they take a piss.

Im only 50% done license test so far nothing on overtaking.

I'm 2% Track Experience. I completed Fuji only. I have Gran Turismo Experience but not GTSport thats the key.

Track Experience is perfect because it teaches the tracks we will be driving on. Licence test should have high focus on proper overtaking maneuvers. Veterans shouldn't complain if we that good it wont be an issue. Just a few hours if that, but we will know new tracks and physics dynamics going in to Sport Mode.

Too much Learning going on in Sport mode from myself included. I will do more practice before taking on any new events.

The license tests don't teach you overtaking at all. There are a few where you have to pass cars, however they are simply moving cones you have to avoid. They are always in the same place and all you have to do is go full speed and stay on the right line past them all for the gold.

The special stages let you cut corners and knock cars out of the way without any issues. Plus the AI will do the same to you, as well as set a terrible example for taking corners. Sadly, the etiquette videos are the best 'teaching tool' GTS has for overtaking.

Completing track experience before unlocking a track in sport mode is a good idea. I still see people almost stopping before corners wondering which way to go next :lol:

The dumbest thing though is that when PD adds a new track, it doesn't appear in track experience until the next update. At least the appear in GT League straight away so you can practice there.


I do something similar. Practicing with car at the track before I feel comfortable going in. A few things this won't teach you about a new track that going in an event has to be done in order to learn is how others drive the track in packs.

This is much easier with more seat time. I guess more online experienced mixed with more track experience one can go in new events already familiar but for me, so far I've only Raced 2 tracks online. Each one I had to familiarize myself with how others drive the track together.

Fuji I know, but not online racing at Fuji. First few races I was a hazard because I was braking early, giving room, thinking the guys bumping me are Jerks. Problem really was me. A slow car in a pack of fast cars is hazardous.

First lesson

Dont hive curticy space or brake too too early. Because Im riving unpredictably, slowing down like that is great for guy in front of you but lousy for the guy behind, giving space taking bizarre lines confuses other drivers WTF is this guy doing.

FIND THE RHYTHIM

Once I caught the rhythim of other drivers I can push how late Im braking to where my im slowed and turn in right after the car in front completed his turn and is out of my trajectory vs him still there getting bumped from behind.

Don't worry too much about the guy behind. It's his responsibility to look further ahead than just your car. It's better to be a little early on the brakes, then get caught by early braking from the car you are following, tap him, get tapped by the car behind you and get a penalty. If you brake a little early you can still absorb a tap from the car behind and get away with only SR Down, or if the car behind isn't paying attention and punts you into the car in front of you, the car behind gets the penalty.

What is good to do is slow down a little early, don't wait until the last moment to brake full force. Either let go of the gas early or tap the brakes first to let the car behind know you are going to slow down.

What else works is to go slightly to the inside of the car ahead. That way your braking is not compromised by his slipstream while giving the car behind an out on your outside. Then you can brake full force. If the car ahead brakes early, you establish overlap in the braking zone and have track position for the corner. If not, just fall in behind at the turn in point. At worst the car behind establishes overlap on your outside, while you still have track position on the inside. Just make sure to brake in time to hug the inside.

This tactic works wonders when you are behind two cars. If the car ahead stays right behind the first car, he has to brake early. You can move to the inside and easily out brake him and take his position, slotting in between the two.
 
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Well, it was one of those one-in-a-million things. I was racing last night, and you know those helicopters that fly above the track and film the race? Well, one of them ran out of fuel, or had a mechanical problem. The damn thing crashed right onto the track, right in front of me. I had nowhere to go, and I knocked it off the track. The SR down arrow I got was not an orange one. It was bright red, with flames on it.

Do not hit any aircraft. It takes away all of your DR and SR!


Ok it’s official, I’ve smoked one to many Lefties. I’m pretty sure I just read that you hit a Helicopter lol.
 
What is good to do is slow down a little early, don't wait until the last moment to brake full force. Either let go of the gas early or tap the brakes first to let the car behind know you are going to slow down.

Yeah give a little lift before going all in on the brake pedal. Im also watching to try and not be in the path of potential dive bombings.

What else works is to go slightly to the inside of the car ahead. That way your braking is not compromised by his slipstream while giving the car behind an out on your outside. Then you can brake full force. If the car ahead brakes early, you establish overlap in the braking zone and have track position for the corner. If not, just fall in behind at the turn in point. At worst the car behind establishes overlap on your outside, while you still have track position on the inside. Just make sure to brake in time to hug the inside.

This tactic works wonders when you are behind two cars. If the car ahead stays right behind the first car, he has to brake early. You can move to the inside and easily out brake him and take his position, slotting in between the two.

I always try to pull out draft to brake so I have full down force otherwise you need to get on the brakes hard early just to stop in time..

This I think screws up newbs who TT well but have issues racing. Practice they know exactly where to start braking to make the corner but Racing trailing a car in his draft they not only enter at higher speed they have less down force grip if they stay in the draft braking. Their new braking point is way earlier than they think.

Technical position defence I use this to control track position going into the corner.

Fuji T1
If Im being followed hard I go center of the track and only give him the outside lane & if he tries to go inside I make it tight. Most take the outside option.

Watching them I coast into braking zone waiting for them to brake, with them on the outside. I get my tight line through the corner.

If they play they line right they can scrub less speed and have a run either by exit or the straight.

If they go inside its touchy. I have to make sure I brake at the right moment. If I wait too long I overshoot & they sneak through on the inside if I brake too early they get in and take the inside line forcing me wide.

Nobody seems to care about track position :/

Fuji T2 left kink OFTEN cars illegaly pass on the inside often forcing the car they pass wide mid corner or pinch him on exit. Its Cheap but people think its cool. Making the cut after turn in and corrupting car in fronts line mid corner.

This is either a Dive Bomb style or Brilliantly executed maneuver some dont understand the difference. A late brake overtake is technically awesome some think the dive bombing they do is proper....

Track Position is key people need to realize if they didn't get the nose in while in the braking zone they can't cut into the guys line after he turned in and if they are making the inside pass they need to leave him room on the outside he should not have to hit his brakes to avoid you as you cut from inside to outside corupting his line going wide into the outside lane on exit.
 
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It takes 3 races to go from E to S. What a system. :odd:

Should have waited until next week. Tsukaba holds the record at +124 SR in a single race!
SR is so reliable! Congrats on being one of the fastest C/S drivers :cheers: (I'm sure there are more, there are some fast ones out there)
 
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