"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Nismonath5]

Successful night's racing, I must say!! Tonight I ditched the Aston Martin that's been serving me so well here these past few days in favour of my Manufacturer Series GT-R.

Because we had to pick our new Manufacturers for the upcoming season, I decided to give the GT-R a go. The Aston had been doing so well I was considering making the switch for the new season, so this was the GT-R's chance at redemption, I guess you could say.

Race 1 of the night was good, I started 9th and within half a lap was up to 5th, and a solid battle saw me nab the 4th place spot, reeling in a hefty points haul.

Race 2 was almost a carbon copy of the previous race, this time starting 11th and same story, within the lap I was 5th, battling for 4th but this time I lost out, with 5th place but another strong helping of points (and a repaired SR after some argie bargie last night.)

Then while waiting for the next race I broke into the 1:29's with a 1:29.959. By now my decision was made to remain in the Nissan for the Manufacturer Series so I figured why not, one more for the road.

Also encountered @Nismonath5 in his R35 GT-R with him also walking away with a red S in the end due to an argey bargey with an Aussie.

Yeah that happened.

My extra few tenths in qualifying didn't do much, again I started 11th but then at turn 2, this Aussie dude @RZQSPEED is talking about bumped into me, making me bump into the guy ahead, and then even after that all got cleared up he bumped me again. He stayed behind for most of the race but eventually he bullied his way past. Ended up 8th in that one, with a bit of a knock to the DR but finished up my night with 1600DR I didn't have yesterday, so can't be too mad!

 

[GT5Power]

@ASH32 you were right about that start. You definitely would have won had you gotten a clean start; I was kinda unsettled by the way you reeled me in in the second stint 👍 Hell, you even came extremely close to stealing fastest lap from Fraga! I certainly lost pace after the pitstops, although I suspect that you can get dirty air from backmarkers even though they're ghosted. I felt like I had more understeer every time I lapped someone.

Speaking of Fraga, I watched the replay and he got punted savagely into turn 2 AND turn 4. Surely that amounted to a total loss of 17+ seconds, right? I think we got lucky He saved enough fuel to make 9 laps and set a 1:11.4 mid stint...

 

[ASH32]

Yes I was in a race previously with him on my GTP account so we both started at the back and we were both smashed around all over the place then too and he still made it to 3rd, he just about denied me fastest lap then as well, he had a slightly quicker fast lap in that race too. If he wasn't fuel saving he'd do 1'10 laps easily.

I think you are correct about the backmarkers too and if they go off and spin around and stuff it's even worse, the only thing worse is if someone leaves the race at just the wrong time, as the little jump that happens can really mess up your race. If you've still got the replay can you see it from my point of view and see if the laggy 1 red bar French driver was really blocking or if it was the lag, same with when he went off, did I do it due to all the lag? Then again the replay from their point of view is likely different again anyway.

One thing is for sure defensive driving + lag is not good for anyone and I swear laggy cars ruin the grip too, even if they are behind you but close by.

 

[GT5Power]

If you've still got the replay can you see it from my point of view and see if the laggy 1 red bar French driver was really blocking or if it was the lag, same with when he went off, did I do it due to all the lag? Then again the replay from their point of view is likely different again anyway.

One thing is for sure defensive driving + lag is not good for anyone and I swear laggy cars ruin the grip too, even if they are behind you but close by.

I'm copying the recording now, I'll share a GIF when I get back. Take it with a grain of salt, because I had one red bar too

And yeah, I had a hunch about backmarkers. One of them was particularly bad. It took me half a lap to pass him because he likely wasn't fuel saving. So he'd take sketchy lines through corners and blow past on the straights. Really threw me off

 

[Outspacer]

If I entered another daily after quitting an unfinished race, will they use my DR before or after quitting to calculate?. Say I'm about to lose 2k of DR in race C due to rage quit, and enter race A immediately and finish 2nd. I may gain 500DR for a net of -1.5k DR.

I think it's usually (always?) the case that the race you quit ends before the end of the race you join, and your DR (and SR) are updated when the first race finishes - as in, that's when those DR points are given out to those who stayed and finished. So you join the second race with matchmaking using the old SR and DR, but then they update before the end of the second race and the new values are used for scoring.

Maybe the first finisher need to suffer DR loss as well?

Not sure what you mean. When the first race is scored anyone who quit or disconnected is counted as coming last, so all finishers of the first race gain DR from all of the leavers.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

If I entered another daily after quitting an unfinished race, will they use my DR before or after quitting to calculate?. Say I'm about to lose 2k of DR in race C due to rage quit, and enter race A immediately and finish 2nd. I may gain 500DR for a net of -1.5k DR. Maybe the first finisher need to suffer DR loss as well?

The results of the race you quit won't be tallied until that race is finished. Matchmaking uses your current stats.

I've had it happen that I got disconnected from a bad race where I lost a lot of SR, then entered the next (different) race before that disastrous race was officially done. I started as SR.S, got a blue S, yet after the race my SR had still dropped to A.

If you start a C race at the hour, get disconnected at :08, enter the :10 race then you get the situation that the results of the first race aren't updated until after you finish the second race. Race C finishes at :23 while race A might finish at :21, hence you can see the results of the second race while still getting hit with the results of the first race afterwards.

Or if you start race C at the hour, get disconnected at :16, enter the :20 race then you will start DR/SR as if the first race never happened, yet during the race your DR and SR will be updated according to the race C result, then after the race your results from the :20 race will be added. If you check then you will see the results of both races together.

Just did a couple of the Daily Race B's and it happened a couple of times that another driver drove next to me steered into me, made contact en then drove of track on purpose (without losing time) so I ended up with a penalty. I'm going to skip this weeks dailies...

Does getting a SR down sector in a shorter race impact your SR more than in longer races?
Or does it just count the orange SR sectors as a percentage of the total race sectors to calculate SR, because then it sort of makes sense and I'm going to stay away from races A and B from now on.

SR Down arrows always cost the same. Race A and B only give 4 to 7 SR for collecting all the green SR up arrows, while race C varies between 15 and 26 SR for a clean race, depending on the number laps / sectors. 2 lap N24 is usually 15, while Tsukaba with its many laps goes up to 26 in a C race. (Also depends on the car since that determines the amount of laps)

So yes, any contacts and especially penalties hurt a lot more in A and B as you don't have any cushion to regain SR in the later laps which are usually a lot more behaved. A and B is chaotic first 2 laps, immediately followed by chaotic final lap. While race C is a less chaotic first lap (except in the F1500 ), field spreads out during the race which usually leads to little action in the final lap.

I'm copying the recording now, I'll share a GIF when I get back. Take it with a grain of salt, because I had one red bar too

And yeah, I had a hunch about backmarkers. One of them was particularly bad. It took me half a lap to pass him because he likely wasn't fuel saving. So he'd take sketchy lines through corners and blow past on the straights. Really threw me off

Unfortunately the backmarker ghosts still add slipstream and dirty air. The F1500 is particularly vulnerable to both under braking. Plus they can still blind you with their ghost car.

 

[Pigems]

Maybe the first finisher need to suffer DR loss as well?

Do you mean you should be able to lose DR for winning? If so, then no. Then matchmaking could screw you over even worse and you could theoretically clear a field by a full minute and still lose points at no fault of your own. 30 point wins suck, but it’s better than losing points for winning.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

The slipstream is far too strong, because you can be 1.5 seconds behind and still be overtaken before the start/finish line. It's an absolute joke and kills any gain you make in other parts of the track.

The slipstream is strong but you can coast a bit longer behind someone in order to time the overtake so you don't go back and forth the whole time. It's safe to assume that whoever is leading onto the straight isn't going to stay in the lead without some clever driving.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Always nice to start with a victory and a 2:59 fastest lap.

It was an easy race. I was the only DR.A, matchmaking went down to D/B to gather 10 people. There were 4 of us drafting at the start of lap 2, however two of them missed their braking point for the hairpin and harmlessly slid into a reset. Then it was just me with the leader 0.5 sec ahead. I stayed 0.5 sec behind until the tunnel came into few and made my pass.

It's raining again, got more time to race today. Next I'll see how a no stop goes with the morning crowd. 10 people in the race, down to SR.C (and DR.D of course) I'm starting 6th, likely will get murdered in lap 1 but might come out ahead when everyone pits.

Finished 2nd with a 19:20 race time and clean race bonus. Lap 1 was very well behaved, I ended up 4th after lap 1 without any problems during the race. Now to compare with a one stop under hopefully still the same conditions. I did change the brake balance from -3 to +3 for the final 3 laps as my front tires were getting down a lot. It's better to stick to 0 for a no stop.

Next up 12 entries, starting 5th, down to SR.C, 4x DR.A (including me) and a DR.E.

Best comparison yet. Another well behaved first lap where I ended up in second. First went off in lap 3 and I led the rest of the race, pitting in 8, never going off with a best lap of 1:13.3 (as opposed to 1:15.9 in my no stop). Finish time 19:08, 12 sec faster than my no stop.

That difference is big enough to call it, one stop is faster over all. Of course results may vary depending on traffic. For once, traffic was favorable two races in a row.

 

[Pigems]

It’s absolutely beautiful out here today and my golf clubs are crying to be taken out. Hmm, GT or Golf??

 

[JoeyLeonine]

Had some fun and games with the penalty system earlier. First time I've actually experienced what I would call an 'unfair' penalty.

GR3 round RBR, lap1 after auto launch and draft a few up the home straight, we're 3 abreast at one point but I end up very much ahead with right of way. You'd think.

Fair enough, after all our chopping and changing I'm not on the racing line, and I break a bit early because there is carnage uphead but I think I've judged it pretty well to give space and and still make the corner. Guy on the outside is fine. Guy on the inside is a good car length behind but is probably caught out a bit by my conservative breaking and ends up in my side as I take the apex. My first thought was he's divebombed, but the replay shows he kinda did his best to stop and didnt really have anywhere to go, that being said, if this was RL and it was his real car, I doubt he'd put his car anywhere near that kinda peril - a racing incident shall we say...

Or it would be, except that after hitting me he still tries to recover the corner as best he can, puts his foot down and spins into the wall on the inside.

+5 sec penalty to me.

 

[Stencedaddy]

It’s absolutely beautiful out here today and my golf clubs are crying to be taken out. Hmm, GT or Golf??

Golf. Its raining here right now and id love to hit the range for the first time this spring. Blasted my 5 iron across the neighbours field the other day though.

Last 2 days i havent gone near Daily Races other than a few qualy laps. Just been driving manual road cars with my friend for like 6 hours a day lol. The Shifter made road cars SO much more fun to drive. Me and my buddy started in the 97 MR2 GTS to learn (then proceeded to drive almost every manual car i have lmao) and its a blast with wheel shifter and cockpit view. Cars in cockpit sound amazing but the view sucked with controller. With controller road cars would get a bit boring. Maybe its because ive never driven with a wheel or shifter so im mind blown. Now that ive used a shifter im glad i didnt get a thrustmaster without one lol.

Last wheel post lol.

 

[TurboTacho]

Race B Grid P12 Race P8. Moved up a position on the grid thanks to some disappearances. Went through the back packers while some getting thrown out of the Ring.
Held on to some lucky overtakes and defending from faster drivers through strategic defense, with some clean action.

 

[breeminator]

I must be missing something about how to drive the R8 as I just can't make it go fast. I've tested 7 cars and it was 5th fastest for me. Got my QT down to 1:29.4 which allowed me to do quite a few races with high starting positions, DR up from 9.8k to 14.1k.

I'm still a bit puzzled about the strength of the different leaderboards. I haven't raced Race A, but did some laps to set a time, and am 613th/12745 in EMEA on that leaderboard, top 4.8%. For Race B, I've spent a LOT more time running qualifying laps, and I'm 2134th/36710, top 5.8%. So is Race B attracting higher standard drivers than Race A?

 

[Sikumatchbox]

Yesterday I was quite happy in race B. Nice fights, nice drivers, especially some germans with which I had some great and fair fights. Sometimes they end up in front and sometimes me. Today is another story. Exactly like this:

Just did a couple of the Daily Race B's and it happened a couple of times that another driver drove next to me steered into me, made contact en then drove of track on purpose (without losing time) so I ended up with a penalty.

And some crazy divebombers. I was really angry after numerous penalties and divebombers, however I decided to do one more.
What do you guys think of this 5 seconds penalty. I did give some space didn't I? And the 🤬 in lap 4. I know my overtake on him was on the edge.
I know I drove quite aggressive, so I stop for today and try again tomorrow. I did appology to Tsekkinen because that was a bit to much.

 

[GT5Power]

Brands Hatch Q time down to 1:09.778! Forgot to mention it in my previous post. That should hopefully keep me in the top 10 for the remainder of the week, I'm #7 right now.

Edit: Okay, make that "tied for 7th"...

I must be missing something about how to drive the R8 as I just can't make it go fast. I've tested 7 cars and it was 5th fastest for me. Got my QT down to 1:29.4 which allowed me to do quite a few races with high starting positions, DR up from 9.8k to 14.1k.

I'm still a bit puzzled about the strength of the different leaderboards. I haven't raced Race A, but did some laps to set a time, and am 613th/12745 in EMEA on that leaderboard, top 4.8%. For Race B, I've spent a LOT more time running qualifying laps, and I'm 2134th/36710, top 5.8%. So is Race B attracting higher standard drivers than Race A?

Well, Gr.3 tends to attract the best drivers. It's the signature racing class of GTS and it has a prominent position in FIA series. You're more likely to see aliens driving Gr.3 than a Copen is what I'm saying

@ASH32 Here you go. This is the start of the race from your perspective.

 

[ASH32]

I've fixed my start problem now, after another bad one, avoid using 1st gear, so simple really but I have only raced a handful of times from the front in this race and at the back you don't want a good start, that will likely just cause more issues, so it didn't matter whether I started good or not then so I never tried different strategies but now I know.

 

[Benay79]

I must be missing something about how to drive the R8 as I just can't make it go fast. I've tested 7 cars and it was 5th fastest for me.

My fastest lap is with the R8 however i'm not consistent with is so don't do too well in a race. I like to use the Lexus as pretty much every lap i do is the exact same time. Its the 911 i just can't use on any track. I don't understand how people can drive so fast in it. Slides all over the place for me.

 

[watto79]

I must be missing something about how to drive the R8 as I just can't make it go fast. I've tested 7 cars and it was 5th fastest for me. Got my QT down to 1:29.4 which allowed me to do quite a few races with high starting positions, DR up from 9.8k to 14.1k.

I'm still a bit puzzled about the strength of the different leaderboards. I haven't raced Race A, but did some laps to set a time, and am 613th/12745 in EMEA on that leaderboard, top 4.8%. For Race B, I've spent a LOT more time running qualifying laps, and I'm 2134th/36710, top 5.8%. So is Race B attracting higher standard drivers than Race A?

I think race B just attracts more drivers. I've found that regularly with Race B that very small increments in qualifying time can make a massive difference on the leader board. You're presumably on something like a 29.94x. Improve that by half a second and you move up almost 500 positions.

 

[Groundfish]

Goal achieved!!!!11.470
I am over budget though. I estimate I have destroyed approximately 3.46 billion dollars worth of f1500.

 

[El_Beardo]

I've only just noticed that Fuji is Gr.2 next week.

Balls. Why?!

Not that it's a bad combo for me. I'm decently strong there (at least, I was on the DS4, we'll see how it goes on the wheel) but man, why not Gr.3? If we're going to get the same tracks on repeat, can't we at least use different cars?

Either way, it'll help my SR recover after RBR killed it.

 

[ShiftingGears]

Cracked 18:40 after starting third on the grid. I think there's still more improvements to be made without increasing the risk of crashing, but it is challenging.

 

[Pedinhuh]

I turned to the dark side...

I'm racing with countersteering assist now in pretty much everything.

Oh well, not sure what else I should do to tame that ****ing F1500 besides not using my 1st and 2nd gears(I refuse to use TCS with it since the car it's based on didn't had that)...I also noticed that my lap times in this game have become considerably slower than they use to be, I suppose it's because I haven't been focusing on this game much lately.

Also I love using the McLaren F1 GTR in race B...Amazing POV in first person!

Shame the track is crap

 

[O604]

Friday already?

This week went by fast for me. Ran RBR once. Haven't even logged a QT for the Copen or F1500 yet. My daily miles have mostly been Supra GT Cup practice or GT League. Ironically I was excited for the races this week but managed to spent most of my time on Fuji anyways.

 

[tariklehaine]

I must be missing something about how to drive the R8 as I just can't make it go fast. I've tested 7 cars and it was 5th fastest for me. Got my QT down to 1:29.4 which allowed me to do quite a few races with high starting positions, DR up from 9.8k to 14.1k.

What BB do you use on the R8? -4 worked the best for me. My Qtime is 1.28.9 atm.

 

[ASH32]

Oh well, not sure what else I should do to tame that ****ing F1500 besides not using my 1st and 2nd gears(I refuse to use TCS with it since the car it's based on didn't had that)...I also noticed that my lap times in this game have become considerably slower than they use to be, I suppose it's because I haven't been focusing on this game much lately.


Shame the track is crap

Yes never use 1st and use 2nd only on starts and for turn in at druids, then switch to 3rd before exit.

 

[GernKnudly]

Hey everyone!

The daily B is a dream now! Dirty drivers can't use the run-off areas anymore, and we got gr.3 category for this week!
Here are two wheel-to-wheel races I had! Enjoy!

 

[Tea_Leaves]

I turned to the dark side...

I'm racing with countersteering assist now in pretty much everything.

No shame in using CSA or any assist so long as it enables you to enjoy the game. There's no point disabling an assist if it impedes your enjoyment. I use CSA depending on the car since there's several I don't feel comfortable driving without.

I wish there was an option to have CSA (or AT, for that matter) set to specific cars. It would save needing to change it each time and sometimes I forget.

 

[Velhadas]

My fastest lap is with the R8 however i'm not consistent with is so don't do too well in a race. I like to use the Lexus as pretty much every lap i do is the exact same time. Its the 911 i just can't use on any track. I don't understand how people can drive so fast in it. Slides all over the place for me.

I love the 911. I love cars that oversteer. It's the understeery boats that I can't get into. With the 911, I usually break early and start accelerating into the apex. It needs very smooth inputs on the steering, and some people need to put the brake bias to the front. Breaking early is causing me a lot of problems this week because I'm just rammed everytime on lap 1.

 

[sturk0167]

No shame in using CSA or any assist so long as it enables you to enjoy the game. There's no point disabling an assist if it impedes your enjoyment. I use CSA depending on the car since there's several I don't feel comfortable driving without.

I wish there was an option to have CSA (or AT, for that matter) set to specific cars. It would save needing to change it each time and sometimes I forget.

Speaking of driving aids:

For those who normally rely on CSA for stability, like I do, make sure to leave it off if you're gonna drive the Copen. It causes front-wheel drive cars to lose forward bite. Go and try qualifying again without it. You should be able to lower your time.

Like I said, I normally use the aids, but anything other than ABS will make that Daihatsu slower. My BB is 0. I don't know if that is best, but it's working ok for me.