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Did a few Race Bs again last night. Pretty difficult to overtake with the Huracan, despite it's excellent stability when cornering and exit. Though my slow laptimes of mid 41s to low 42s aren't helping either. I'd need to learn more around the key turns to extract the extra tenths out of my slow lap.
 
Anything I should know about that Honda Fit's hybrid system? It does indeed seem to regenerate under braking, but is it only of any importance in races where fuel depletion is enabled?
 
MIE1992
Anything I should know about that Honda Fit's hybrid system? It does indeed seem to regenerate under braking, but is it only of any importance in races where fuel depletion is enabled?
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It does absolutely nothing in this case, I’ve set my best times with no battery left. So no need to worry about it. :)
 
MIE1992
Anything I should know about that Honda Fit's hybrid system? It does indeed seem to regenerate under braking, but is it only of any importance in races where fuel depletion is enabled?
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It seems to kick in more at lower speeds to aid acceleration from standstill, the effect noticeably decreases as you progress beyond highway speeds.

If you put the throttle at around 10%, it'll charge the battery while cruising. Tried this at around 60 km/h and it charges quite smoothly. Lightly tap the brakes for maximum charging effect, if you put more braking to it the hybrid will "shunt" the additional braking energy.
 
Pigems
I got my Interlagos time down to 1:38.7 in the Lambo, there was still a bunch of a small mistakes in there but it’s the highest I’ve ever gotten on an Interlagos board before(inside the top 200). But finding another 1.3 second is gonna be tough.

Excellent lap @MattJones_e36 , very well done man!! :cheers: :bowdown:

On another note, I saw this a few minutes ago at the gas station and thought you guys might enjoy it. :)
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Thanks mate, your time isn't bad at all, your sector 1 and 3 are actually quite good, it's on sector two that you can shave almost a second there and i won't lie it isn't easy, so many lines you can take that i still don't know which one is optimal
 
Sven Jurgens
I tried race C again, quit in lap 7 to vent here.
I'm getting really annoyed with the penalty system on this track.
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Dive bomb pass, intentional or not, race over, SR Down, 'overtake' successful.

Qualifying won't even help since it started with the 'fast' guys falling to the back from whatever bumping and shunting was going on up front, which led to impatient drivers forcing their way back through the field. I can't remember the last contact free race anymore, bump to pass.

One more try, 9pm race. Should normally be clean, but well so far this week, contact free racing does not exist anymore.


Finally! Sure I got rammed off and bumped multiple times. But for most of the race I had an awesome close clean battle with an S/S driver, swapping positions a couple times. (He got rammed off so ended up behind me again). Side by side through multiple corners, it's still possible. Fun race. Started 20th, finished 10th. Now I'm going to be stupidly optimistic and try another race.
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Damn, I feel so bad. I was one of those who hit your car today but I swear I missed the braking point mainly because I was seething as someone sent me from 3rd to almost last place. Luckily you didn't spin and thank you for not leaving the track so I would get a penalty.
Again, sorry.
 
MattJones_e36
Thanks mate, your time isn't bad at all, your sector 1 and 3 are actually quite good, it's on sector two that you can shave almost a second there and i won't lie it isn't easy, so many lines you can take that i still don't know which one is optimal
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Sweet, thanks very much for the tips man, that’s what I’ll work on tomorrow then. I’ll have to study your lap a little more and go at it hard. I’d love to get a real good time on this track for once. :)

I got a littler closer to you tonight in race A though, I finally broke through and cashed in a 42.7, I lost .2 in the final corner though. Great Lap there too man!! You’re killing it this week. :cheers:
 
CrimsonKing
Damn, I feel so bad. I was one of those who hit your car today but I swear I missed the braking point mainly because I was seething as someone sent me from 3rd to almost last place. Luckily you didn't spin and thank you for not leaving the track so I would get a penalty.
Again, sorry.
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No worries, I get more reckless as well after getting send to the back again. Hence I quit that race instead of charging at the field again in lap 7. It's surprisingly hard to pass on this track, without contact that is. I hope I didn't slate you in the penalty discussion thread :) Don't know your psn.

I'm still on the fence whether penalties are all that effective or not. It sends faster reckless people to the back where they can cause more trouble again. But if you don't do that (instead take it to the finish), then taking a 5 sec penalty for a dive bomb in T1 would be the best strategy. It's difficult, the punishment is to be put behind slower drivers that did nothing to deserve that...

Perhaps a 3 strikes and you're out approach would be better, with heavy SR loss for each strike. Yet it all comes back to a penalty system that is necessarily lenient because it's so often wrong.
 
Damn! I missed another race because of the livery editor. I had about 25 minutes before the next C race, and thought I dress up my car real quick and then do some warm-up laps before it starts. Once you start messing around with the paint and decals, time goes by really fast. Then when you look at the clock and see that the race starts in 2 minutes, you go to save it, and the save process takes FOREVER. I think I missed the race entry by about 3 seconds. :banghead:

So now I have a while until the next one. I think I'll go to time trials and see what this 1:38 nonsense at Interlagos is all about. Seems like 1:30 flat should be no problem. ;)

*Follow up: Didn't quite get to 1:30. :lol:
 
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Dairyworker
Wife went to bed early so i am getting some night races in for once. First run at the A race was a good one. Lets see if the next one is also not full of clowns.

And damn..... those times you guys are getting. How the balls do you get under 43 :odd:
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They keys to Race A are the final turn, T1 and the left hander that goes down into the tunnel, nail those three corners and you’ll have yourself a great lap. :)
 
FeloneousMonk
This is so tough for me because I'm relatively new to GTS (DR of D) and had a SR of A until last week's A and B races that were just full of morons now I'm a B and low D. Trying to work up from the DR of D is challenging and I don't know how the heck I'm going to advance. Prior to last week I was qualifying 7th and 5th and finishing 2nd/3rd. Last night I skipped qualifying started at the back and over took others to finish in the top 10. Decided to do a qualifying run and landed in 10th.

I've been hesitant to qualify even though I know I can place higher but I'm hesitant to do so due to the smash up derby that erased my DR from last week. Thoughts? Should I just continue to improve my qualifying time and battle for a higher position?
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Your actually in a good spot as DR D. Just do race C, start from the back and don't pass anyone or try to and stay on the track. 5 races and you are SR S with a DR of D still.
 
breeminator
If someone knows they are systematically poor at qualifying for some reason, then yes, I can see they might be accustomed to gaining places in a race. But for the most part I'd say qualifying times are an extremely good indicator of how fast someone is, such that it still seems bizarre to me to go into races with an expectation that you'll be able to pass anyone at all.

For example, I did a stint of 5 races, and had the same driver start 1 place behind me on the grid for 2 maybe 3 races in succession. Every time, I felt he was faster than me. Sure enough, I think it was the 5th race, he'd managed to improve his QT between the two races, and started ahead of me, where he belonged. Credit to that driver, he drove clean and never did a dirty pass of me, he addressed it the right way by improving his QT.

To me, the idea that if you start 14th you might expect to finish 8th just smacks of the "must overtake" mindset that too many people seem to have, where they think they have to get past the car in front, when in reality they aren't actually faster. I think people need to at least consider the possibility that the people ahead have set a faster QT because they're actually faster, and not feel like they have an entitlement to pass them.

I've only done 35 races in the game so far, but I've only seen one example of someone racing with a pace that was significantly out of keeping with their QT, such that I suspected they had actually got someone else to do their qualifying lap for them.
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You never know who might start behind you
 
I started 15th or 14th in Race B. So much weaving and fighting. Again, many players need to watch real racing. Many times, racers follow regardless of endurance or sprint race.

As mentioned is posts above, the impatience is a killer. I had D/S players out back. I'm beginning to think no one looks around. Waiting to get the proximity warning is too late. Players have to see how fast another is gaining and start making decisions to defend or let go. Pick a line and stick to it, for goodness sake!
 
Yeah but real life "sprint" races are still at least 45 mins. Global mx-5 might be a touch less but 4-10 laps brings out the bad passes. Not that I disagree with your point though.
 
Had three more good runs tonight. A fewof the drivers making overly aggressive moves on the first lap but it was as good as can be expected and i didn't have any races flat out ruined, so, thats good.

My system completely froze about 5 seconds after i crossed the line in my last race though. Scared me straight real quick lol resart and everything seems fine and i believe i got points for that race not a disconect penalty so thats also good, i guess.

Gonna hit up some hot laps to try and get a low 1.43 at least, no way i can hit a 42.9xx
 
Dairyworker
Had three more good runs tonight. A fewof the drivers making overly aggressive moves on the first lap but it was as good as can be expected and i didn't have any races flat out ruined, so, thats good.

My system completely froze about 5 seconds after i crossed the line in my last race though. Scared me straight real quick lol resart and everything seems fine and i believe i got points for that race not a disconect penalty so thats also good, i guess.

Gonna hit up some hot laps to try and get a low 1.43 at least, no way i can hit a 42.9xx
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If you keep telling yourself no, then you will not
 
Well I decided to try another Lagos especial. I was surprised to find now that everyone has turn d in at least a 38.5.
My 39.4 started 14th, no matter, I just felt like a race, and goin in I said just keep her on track and stay clean.
I remind myself the same thing before any sport mode race. Hey, just don’t hit cars and see what happens. If a door opens, go through it...
So I raced. I gained a couple spots when guys in front were battling, but there was a contact wi5 the Huracan in front of me so I slowed up to let him back by.
My bad, I didn’t hit him at my fault. I was slightly shoved into him...
So I go 14-12 15 after letting up settling in behind a red white and blue stang. Good driver this fella, very clean.
I was a bit faster in the twisty stuff and got by and fell in behind a pack of 4, none of which will give an inch to each other or fall into line to keep me from pressuring.
Stayed patient, got to eleventh then tenth at the line due to the Huracan in tenth (same guy I let by earlier). Had a .5 track cut.
So I picked up 4 spots and felt good about it slipping in a top ten in an all as room. It was fun losing that 200dr.
I don’t care though. Fun race, good result.
Interlagos is a brilliant design, you have to plan a challenge not just jump at a gap.

Anyways re qual vs no qual. I always qualify. I only run the one account, so I need to get midpack or better on the grid to do some damage.
Plus, what’s the sense of having to pass someone whose slower than me if I can out qual him. My issue is that I turn in my best qualifying time, but I don’t spend hours I don’t have hitting retry. Plus, I have to face that I am simply not that quick in qual overall relative to my rating, and I’m really only decent with a few cars.
The thing is I almost never crashout or make big mistakes in sport mode.
I have noticed qual time is a really reliable indicator of a persons skill.
Last night I raced no mistakes from top seven. Finished as qualified. That’s whats supposed to happen really.
Plus a race like that is great as the pressure builds up. Who will make the mistake first...I love that.
For my personal opinion you can have battling. I gain by people battling running two wide when I run the race line.
I just pick em off like a vulture. Of course my gains and losses are typically minimal, but my stats show on dr a trend that has been rising almost all the time.
The trouble I have is I already put a bit too much time in and it seems my speed is leveling out around 35k.
I find the longer the race the better, the more tire wear the better for myself.
I am also doing fia now when it’s a good combo for me, so we will see what happens. I kinda have a feeling I have hit a ceiling though.
You must put in time, or you won’t beat those who do.
On expectations.
The way my attitude is, I never expect to pass folks. I never look at a person whose qual is faster and say I can beat him. I just say ok what’s the racepace?
I usually run in race closer to qual than most, and I choose stable cars that are fast on straights. That’s basically my entire sport mode strategy.
There’s many b players who out and out speed are way faster than me, but over a race I will eat most up, because that super fast lap is followed by one with a big mistake or even crash...
Each lap that goes by is more chance for them to screw up. That’s how I look at it.
Kinda feel that guy above did have a bit of a point. What annoys me is people who have this awesome qual, but they can’t do it in race in sport mode, the problem I have is you see much less of that at A.
Essentially I profit because of people unwilling to fall back in line and who must only give up a spot when they push the,selves off track going 2 and 3 wide...
I get having a second account.
Practice if you will, or wanting to race but not risk many months of achievements.
But if it’s just to have fun passing people you know you are way faster than who are trying their hardest you better do it clean. They are trying their best, and the qual times are supposed to represent best effort at some level.
I think the fact people need to run these alt accounts affects the game quality for average Joe. JMO. Maybe the guy you bump past trying to get a spot you should have had based on your ability was going for a personal best pace and you wrecked it.
Maybe it’s a person going for their first truly clean overtake, and here comes Joe the a plus second account flying in, bounces by and is like “oh look another pylon”. That just ain’t right.
 
sturk0167
I don't race at night very often, but I just did 2 C races, because I got off work earlier than usual. It certainly seems to be faster competition, than it is in the mornings. I got beat, badly.
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It most certainly is faster at night. As a 2nd shift worker i am usually on in the morning before work and rarely do i race at night do to how tired i am after work, but when i do i have always noticed a significant increase in the average speed and skill
 
Dairyworker
It most certainly is faster at night. As a 2nd shift worker i am usually on in the morning before work and rarely do i race at night do to how tired i am after work, but when i do i have always noticed a significant increase in the average speed and skill
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When I get log in the morning, on my Murph account (which only has 5 friends) and I see the icon showing 1 friend online, It's almost always you. 👍
 
kjeldsen
How do you file a report after you quit the race? I could not do it on his PSN profile nor in the game..



He did this to multiple players , he did it once more to me, i of course just pulled into a wall and put it back on him..
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Not that retaliation is ok, but did you do something to him before ?

His name reminds me something, i have to check if he is in my "kill list"

[Edit] Yep, one of the "regular" dirty guy I avoid like plague.

And to answer the question, you cant report post race, and reporting is anyways proved as useless
 
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Signed up with VW and tried on the Beetle. Really wanted to use the Golf, but it's got no dang roof! Good fuel economy. I had 2.5 laps at the stop. Might run one extral lap. The leader did that and was able to gap me from the 1.5 seconds on the penultimate lap to the 7 seconds at finish.
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Pigems
I got my Interlagos time down to 1:38.7 in the Lambo, there was still a bunch of a small mistakes in there but it’s the highest I’ve ever gotten on an Interlagos board before(inside the top 200). But finding another 1.3 second is gonna be tough.
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I cannot drive the Lambo, i don't know why. Is it AWD? Does it understeer? It feels dead to me. But it feels powerful.

I have a 1:39.1 in the lancer, and there is heaps more speed in it. But I went into a race (I am B level at the moment), and was 2nd on the grid. The leader lost during the first end of straight chicane - coming out of the right hand part, I was close behind him and he was wide - then he was sideways in front of me. He was Japanese with 5 green bars, I am Australian with 3 yellow - the next split second, I seemed to be pushing him sideways up the straight. I presumed a software glitch. I got 5 seconds penalty. I dived for the sand but it made no difference - I guess he went off the track. For my bad driving - and really his - I lost my SR A and went to borderline B. On the way to C I reckon ... unless I can drive quickly.

Anyhow after I snow plowed the poor Japanese guy up the first straight, after the penalty, I was in 10th place, I finished 6th, in a poor field. But the Lancer car felt S L O W. I did multiple 1:40.3s in the Lancer before the race, but its race pace seemed terrible. I won the next race but the car was still slow, I just did not make any significant mistakes, while the other mostly slow drivers seem to be making a few mistakes.

I might drive the Benz, it feels OK. I got used to the Lancer at the full Nordschleife track, where it was quick, even on the straight. Maybe they have slowed it down for the race? My brakes on the Lancer - I've tried -2 and +2 - doesn't seem to make much difference. At the Nord, -2 was faster. IMO it should not have been. The Lancer feels light and easy to drive though, as soon as one realises that the front wheels will soon remove the understeer when you put your foot down, the car then understeers then it tightens its line when the front wheels start to work it seems.

I wish I knew how to drive the Lambo ...
 
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gtpierre
I don't really see this. I'm DR.B, I rarely have DR.A players behind me, and the few times it happened they did not drive better or worse than other DR.B (fair play wise). As for slowing down too late in the slipstream, it seems even the top players are doing this mistake.

The big problem (at least in DR.B, in all SR category) is impatient and overconfident/arrogant people thinking "i qualified 14th, but I'm expecting to pass at least 5 players per lap". In other words far too many people expect to pull a "last to 1st" when they obviously don't have the skills for that.

I think if you quali time puts you 14th you should not expect better than a result like 7th or 8th in a clean race with no major incident.

When racing against people of "similar" skills, one overtake per lap (average track lenght) is a good job. Obviously, it often happens that you gain more position in the first lap due to the typical first lap incident.


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Also, what if SR category rating was directly linked to something like a clean race rate based on the last two weeks or so ? I think it could really separate easily the clean players and those who are not
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Absolutely right. I think many players have a completely wrong idea of their abilities and normal gameplay. One reason for that I see in the singleplayer of all GT parts. It was already in GT1 that you start at the end of the field and should come to P1 within a few laps. That's basically the same with the singleplayer of GTS. Many players now expect that it works in multiplayer as well. 'Oh, P14, no problem, then I just overtake everyone in front of me in the next 4 rounds.' Of course, that does not work. Especially if you drive with players of equal speed or faster together. Then comes frustration and the temptation to do it with violence or dirty tricks. That was the same in the singleplayer earlier. Many of my friends have made wallriding or rammed the computer drivers off the track. Back then that did not bother anyone in the singleplayer. AI drivers do not complain. The problem with GT Sport is that there is no feedback for such players. At the end the victims complain but many do not care. The game must punish reckless driving. This should not have a positive effect, because then there are more and more players. But right now the game allows everything as long as the cars somehow stay on track.
 
Did few more laps last night, just had to.. Got the Race C q-time to the 2:16.8xx
Optimum is 2:16.0xx so still room for improvement. Watched the fraga guide, and noticed some mistakes that I made, so maybe 2:15 today??
Yeah, right... Will try that nsx thou, seems to have fierce acceleration.
No tcs this time...

 
gtpierre
Not that retaliation is ok, but did you do something to him before ?

His name reminds me something, i have to check if he is in my "kill list"

[Edit] Yep, one of the "regular" dirty guy I avoid like plague.

And to answer the question, you cant report post race, and reporting is anyways proved as useless
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I passed him when he did the same to another driver, from the replay it looked like he was only in the race to put penalties on other drives.
Like basically every time he passed someone or was near, a small bump, of the track or into a wall..

So no i did nothing to him to warrant him being a total and utter bastard and i would think that anyone posting about other drives bad behavior here would be a special idiot if he was a dirty bastard himself :)
 
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