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I knocked up the Mustang livery at the weekend. Based on the Aussie Supercar of Team Penske, but decals set for sport mode.

Ah I see. I looked it up since I don't follow Supercars... they ruined The Great Race. It must have been the small size and difference of colour presentation... looks *nothing* like my livery :lol:.
 
But I did wake up today wondering who Brand is? And why is there no apostrophe after "Brands"? And what's with the Hatch?

Turn's out "the name is thought to derive from 'de Brondehach', a Gaelic term: 'Bron' meaning wooded slope; 'hach', literally entrance to the forest)."

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I looked up Goodwood. Apparently it means some wood. That’s good. From the English ‘good’ meaning good and ‘wood’ meaning wood.

(In Gaelic it means ‘free update likely to annoy some people for some reason’.)

Well those are my GTS lessons for today :lol:.

Didn't know that tidbit of info. Thanks guys!
 
I am racing with guys who are running 1:22.4 in the race!!

My issue is that I take a lap to get into rhythm . Even with races where i have won this week by from 4 to 10 seconds (after coming last against the good guys I have been put against slower cars) the 2nd car is close to me after the first lap (like 0.5 to 0.8 seconds). Then I get my rhythm and I drive right away.

My braking style doesn't suit racing I reckon. I ease into the brakes, rather than stomp on them. That can open a gap before the corner - I will have the same gap after the corner, but it temps people.

After a few laps I suspect I am hitting the brakes harder but by then its too late. I need to change my fundamental technique if I am to be competitive with the good guys. The problem for me is that hitting them hard is very different and will take me time. It also upsets the car balance (at least the low polar moment mid engined cars I prefer) a fare bit.

Some time ago I did some laps with the ABS off, and I was faster with them off, except for slow corners where I lock the tyres and run wide or off. I gave it up but I should either try that technique or starting hitting the brakes really hard as my base technique.

The problem is I love the smooth style of driving, with throttle control and little wheel movement. Flow circuits suit me. Accurate precision punch and squirt circuits don't except where good throttle exit control is important. But at the top level people I have looked at after the race, they just don't drive like that. I need to make a big change I reckon.

We have the same style, though I might be a little harder on initial braking but that’s corner dependent. At Brands I only use full brakes in turn 2, t1 I hit full pressure for a split second and trail a little to the apex. Otherwise the rest of the track I’m very light on the brakes as the corners are about momentum.

IMO our style is actually better for endurance racing or even real life “sprint” races which are close to 2hrs. It’s easoer to be consistent and that pays off over longer races. With 5 laps? Nope. Takes me 2 to get into rhythm usually, I’m more suited to endurance racing. Need some 40min daily races with tire wear, that’s where our style shines.

I have the same issue and lap 1 I’m watching my mirrors and know when I need to take a defensive line. My earlier braking can catch a few people off guard but not too much as it’s only a little earlier. But my exit speed is usually higher. Now and then I’ll drop into the 22’s during the race but usually I’m low 23’s.

9/10 I’ve found the guys with a faster quali than me, end up making lots of mistakes because they try to hit their quali time in the race and Brands will punish you for it.
 
I am racing with guys who are running 1:22.4 in the race!!

My issue is that I take a lap to get into rhythm . Even with races where i have won this week by from 4 to 10 seconds (after coming last against the good guys I have been put against slower cars) the 2nd car is close to me after the first lap (like 0.5 to 0.8 seconds). Then I get my rhythm and I drive right away.

My braking style doesn't suit racing I reckon. I ease into the brakes, rather than stomp on them. That can open a gap before the corner - I will have the same gap after the corner, but it temps people.

After a few laps I suspect I am hitting the brakes harder but by then its too late. I need to change my fundamental technique if I am to be competitive with the good guys. The problem for me is that hitting them hard is very different and will take me time. It also upsets the car balance (at least the low polar moment mid engined cars I prefer) a fare bit.

Some time ago I did some laps with the ABS off, and I was faster with them off, except for slow corners where I lock the tyres and run wide or off. I gave it up but I should either try that technique or starting hitting the brakes really hard as my base technique.

The problem is I love the smooth style of driving, with throttle control and little wheel movement. Flow circuits suit me. Accurate precision punch and squirt circuits don't except where good throttle exit control is important. But at the top level people I have looked at after the race, they just don't drive like that. I need to make a big change I reckon.

I need a lap as well to get into rhythm, which is another reason why I prefer starting from last. All the room for smooth braking and cornering, and no trouble switching cars all the time. I'm not that fast anyway, TCS and ABS controller user.

Brand's is one of those tracks where I don't really have any visible brake points. I only use visible markers for Hawthorn and Westfield, the rest all goes on 'feel' It's always different depending on car and traffic, you can't simply stomp on the brakes at one spot every lap. A bit of a safety gap is always good in corners. You can't get a better exit if you're already on the bumper, nor can you avoid a car spinning out on corner exit. Plus I don't get how people can see where they are going driving bumper to bumper. Must be chase cam.

I knew it was some trivial little detail, Thanks man!! :cheers: :D

Yes you are going too slow, simple! I don't see any other cars on the track either, cheat? :dopey:
 
A bit of a safety gap is always good in corners. You can't get a better exit if you're already on the bumper, nor can you avoid a car spinning out on corner exit. Plus I don't get how people can see where they are going driving bumper to bumper. Must be chase cam

This. So many wrecks are caused by idiots following too close with no room for error while lacking the skills to adjust accordingly. I’d rather leave some space and carry a higher exit speed while hoping they make a mistake.
 
We have the same style, though I might be a little harder on initial braking but that’s corner dependent. At Brands I only use full brakes in turn 2, t1 I hit full pressure for a split second and trail a little to the apex. Otherwise the rest of the track I’m very light on the brakes as the corners are about momentum.

IMO our style is actually better for endurance racing

Yes but my typical race pace each lap is 1:23.7, sometimes lower, and that difference between us makes a big difference. Pre race I am running 1:23:0 almost all the time. So I guess the fuel difference etc adds for me 0.7 seconds.

I also brake very heavily at T2. However that is a very obvious thing to do - for one the car is straight, so its not outside of the way I or we drive.

Last night I experimented with full braking at T1 and then easing - the surprising thing was that the car was immediately placed perfectly for the power on around the T1 corner, with a gap to the curbing on the right that is better IMO than being on the curbing. It seemed to me somewhat artificial - like, as if, the game wanted me to brake that way and then placed the car perfectly to power on very quickly with a quite early gear change into 4th leading into T2.

But I am nervous doing that in the race because if its not spot on, then you go too deep and loose a heap of time. Plus I suspect that if one brakes very heavily, that needs to be accompanied with more violent wheel turning. Which is how people seem to be driving around me. Not all but by far the most of them. I did look at an Alien and he was silk smooth .... superb...

I know that if I brake later and harder into T5, I will be faster.

But T6 is my troubled corner ... I love it if I brake softly and swing the tail out backing off and then powering through, which a neutral feel wheel, its fabulous. BUT - I suspect it's faster to go deeper and hit the anchors hard and turn the wheel harder. That's ugly IMO but I think its what the game may be about.

Also the corner that leads onto the main straight - I have more time there. By very hard and late braking, I reckon there's 0.2 or more for me there. But ... if one is closest to the left, the ground there in my Audi seems slippery. And secondly, hitting them hard the weight goes right forward on the car, which likely is a good thing, but the car feels very unsettled. And I don't want to qualify with a technique that I cannot use in the race. So I have avoided that, and I do open up ground at the corner with my "soft" technique, but probably because I am good on the throttle exit and can balance the car better than point and shoot ragged sort of drivers.

It would be great if one could just practice one corner over and over you ... that would help explore my technique. A shame you have to do a lap to get to each tricky spot.

Thanks for your comments and also to Sven. This place is fantastic thanks to some of the help we assist each other with.
 
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Been having fun at Brands today with the 911 RSR. Started the morning with a 1:22.7xx which had me starting 2-4th every race. My strength is in consistency and on a track where passing is extremely tricky, I knew I needed to improve my quali time. Each time I’d get past the leaders when they messed up I could build a couple second lead and just manage the gap to the end.

That’s the other key here, if you can manage a gap do it, don’t try to bust out quali laps, you’ll usually regret it. Unless you’re an alien.

Got myself down to 1:22.4xx and 32nd in region, and I know I’ve got a few more tenths in the tank. Possible 21 if I link it all together based on my optimal. But this was good enough to secure pole the rest of my morning and 5 wins against some great/clean guys.

Also loving the new wheel. The difference between my old GT3 Fanatec and the CSL F1 is laughable. Consistency is amazing with this wheel.



Same, my usual passing points are turn 2 (if they botched t1), t3.......and that’s pretty much it. Everything else is too high risk IMO and better to just sit on their butt till they mess up.
Hey, great races yesterday. That dead heat moment we had in our first race was insane!

...Finished with the exact same total time. Judging from my replay it looks like there might've been some lag on my end, but it was still a great finish. 👍 :gtpflag:
 
I've been doing some Race Cs... There are few people attending last night maybe due to the FIAGTC... But still some fun races came in.
The real challenge comes from the car itself.
This F3-class maverick needs inch perfection to run fast, and you have to be careful about your rear wheel especially when the tires are cold...

so far the best finish time for me is 20:08.8, average race pace at 2:00.6, best lap 1:59.9.
I think it's all I can do for now. Have done some 20:10s and 20:11s but you have to push to the absolute limit to get under 20:10s.

I rarely feel a 10-lap race too long for me. getting old maybe. :boggled:

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Had a very fun and clean run in the Nation's Cup, and scored some points for 'Ol Glory- just not many. This was my first NC race and I was surprised the only option was RH- is that common? Regardless with running it all last week my fastest lap was 1 sec under my qualies last week with RM. Good times indeed...
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The Mustang was good on Brands Hatch, then the RNG came up with the Audi straight after. That thing is not good for the backfield. Way to sensitive to evasive manoevers. 4th attempt coming up. It's fast but as soon as you have to evade a car messing up, good chance the thing will slide or spin. It's not helping that my DR has dropped low enough to keep getting in the 'slow' room. Race B is too short to gain DR from the back.

15.6K DR left, not helped by quitting the last race out of frustration lol. I'm also trying to 'clean up' the ps4 to have 90GB free for whatever patch PD is planning.
 
RNG let met drive two of the front runners today. They are both good.
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Stable, doesn't mind sudden jerks to avoid trouble, but a tad slower then the real winner.

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With a best lap of 1:24.078, head and shoulders above the competition (for me). However you have to be smooth, it does not like sudden evasive manoevers. It's still a lot more stable than the Ferrari. GT has definitely killed my childhood love affair with Ferrari :lol:

My current top 10 for Brands Hatch (best laps in race)

1:24.078 Audi R8
1:24.460 Lexus RC F 17
1:24.695 Nissan GT-R
1:24.711 Lexus RC F 16
1:24.766 BMW M3 11
1:24.826 Dodge Viper SRT
1:24.834 Ford Mustang
1:24.858 Mercedes AMG
1:24.883 Volkswagen VGT
1:24.891 Honda NSX
1:24.905 Hyundai Genesis
1:24.965 Porsche 911

With Audi I did have the benefit of a gap and catching up to cars I could draft through the last bit. With Porsche I was stuck in traffic for both attempts. The gap is not as big as it seems here. However Audi still sits comfortably at the top without drafting.

Edit: top 12 now, 2 new fast entries. A 6th place in the Lexus and a 4th place in the Nissan GT-R. Boring Nissan but stable, doesn't mind a wheel on the grass.
 
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Hey, great races yesterday. That dead heat moment we had in our first race was insane!

...Finished with the exact same total time. Judging from my replay it looks like there might've been some lag on my end, but it was still a great finish. 👍 :gtpflag:


YES!!! That finish was incredible. Just had another one like it a min ago lol. I was prolly a foot off this 911’s bumper for the last lap and tried coming into the front straight. Love clean battles like these regardless of finishing position.
 
Looks like I might only get one race in before maintenance. Managed to bring my qualification time for Race A down to a 1:52.905 while I wait. Probably had another tenth or two in it but the last few corners were sloppy. I'm sure if we're in the middle of this race when maintenance hits we'll be booted?

Edit: Nah, should be alright.
 
I use cockpit view, only a few cars where visibility is an issue for me. But otherwise I find I can stay much closer to other cars while keeping good visibility of my surroundings as I’m using mostly mirrors and rarely the radar.

Race B tonight was amazing. Couple wins against S drivers bumping me into A+, and the rest 2nd place but each within tenths. Really wish we had more laps because I just start getting into a groove by lap 4 and then I ramp it up so I’m always right on them at the end. Ahhhhhh need more laps lol.

So..what y'all doing for a couple hours?

Smoke a lil more flower and a few VR laps before bed.
 
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This one was close. Got the jump but the pole sitter was on my inside still at turn 1. We went side by side through the next corner and then while he was on my outside we may have made contact? He swerved and went off course but I didn't hear or feel any contact. The guy that moved into 2nd was never more than 6 tenths back but I managed to hold him off. He ended up with the fast lap.

12 race clean streak, still undefeated...

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I had two races this morning at Brands, which have personified my week at Brans do far.

First race, running second, 9 A+s and an S in the field, two Aussies up the front (me being 2nd) then all Japanese until something like 10th.

Second lap I am 0.4 seconds ahead exiting corner three going along the green concrete; a Japanese gentleman or perhaps 15 year old is behind me, in a 911, no way he'll get me now. But instead of braking, he punts at corner 4, so hard I go clean off the track and end up on the grass behind some barriers; there are no people back there having a picnic and sitting on a rug with sandwiches, scones with strawberry jam with clotted cream and a thermos of tea or coffee back there ... sorry tea, its England isn't it. The trees are lovely back here though, even with my old ps4 and old Plasma Pioneer 728x1024 screen probably don't do it justice.

So being so far off the track, the game re-sets me. That's a new one to me - I am normally left digging the car out of the sand and doing do-nuts. The Japanese guy comes second.

So what do I do now? Well, I am intially 7th but three cars go by me as I unghost and I get a 5 second panelty for that. So ... the best thing for me is to hit a few cars and try to get some DR points. That way my SR will go down and I'll have an easy next race. So I take 11th place back and 10th then and I get a penalty, you beaut. I serve it and come 13th. Of course my time is second best despite the traffic, a 1:23.1. Great, only a 1200 DR penalty but the good news is my SR goes down to 85. Fantastic. I'm now in a fun field and I win by 10 seconds. Best time is a 1:23:2. Race time is good too, a 7:010 for that out in front race.

I am not all that slow but with people behind who choose to punt the person in front off, and they are good at it too, sort of like the Samuri who swiftly cuts pulls his sort and cars it around quickly and cleanly removes the head of the unsuspecting baddy, and he just drives on smirking at his skill, then why not? After all they did not get a penalty I reckon, and if they did it means they'll end up with a race where they can win. I think that is what the game must be about. Get in front and stay there, or live inside the penalty dodgem car hit the car in front game.
 
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I use cockpit view, only a few cars where visibility is an issue for me. But otherwise I find I can stay much closer to other cars while keeping good visibility of my surroundings as I’m using mostly mirrors and rarely the radar.

Race B tonight was amazing. Couple wins against S drivers bumping me into A+, and the rest 2nd place but each within tenths. Really wish we had more laps because I just start getting into a groove by lap 4 and then I ramp it up so I’m always right on them at the end. Ahhhhhh need more laps lol.



Smoke a lil more flower and a few VR laps before bed.

Nice. Hash, some Dirt4...off work for a bit so making most of er
 
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