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This week I found some time again to play gtsport. I figured out Autopolis is a fun track. I did a couple of races at tuesday and wednesday, which were quite fun. However Autopolis is killing my SR. Even a clean race earns only 5 SR (see video 2) point after some other races in which my SR dropped.

I appology me connection dropped to red in this race, however there wasn't any lag.



Yesterday, I did some more qulaifying laps which brought me a 1.53.208. In the race after this qulaifying session I was pushing hard to win the race and I was even faster in my 'race-laps'. Pressure from behind brings the best: an adrenaline rush :lol:.





It is really fun to have some nice fights again. Only I hate, as also mentioned in other post above the people who abuse the penalty system by driving of track on purpose.
 
I got the same and went from 1st to stone motherless last!!

One good thing about the Brands penalties though - I was hit in the back and did not go off (second corner) but I did not get a penalty. I reckon the penalties are different at Brands because a hit in the back is not punishing the car in front ...

So far I have lost about 5k DR at Brands and I am not overly slow ... but when I get hit off, I can't get the car back onto the track ... and I have never been re-set either. If I used TC I would be too slow and also I don't like the feel of TC. But its sure costly when I get bumped off.

The cure though is to drive faster I reckon ... I need to learn how to do that.

The worst thing though about the penalty systems - I got beaten up including re-appearing in the middle of pack - and I got -16SR for that infringement. And of course, off to my worthy last place ...

So the next race, I am on the pole and I win by 8 seconds, and got 450 DR.

Next race - On the pole and I win and get 400 DR.

Next race my SR is 95 or something, I am with the good guys - and I come last again, but very unfortunately, I gained SR (also I was very close to the 3rd car with S and A+ drivers everywhere hah hah). Gaining SR costs me DR ... and that's the way PD want it IMO. If I am in a pack of the good guys and I push and shove, I'd either push them away and get a gap behind me, or I'd get punished and lower my SR and next race, I'll be rewarded with a fun win, and push up my percentage of leading laps, and get some DR gain too.

How crazy is that?

That's the only cure but then you'll find yourself hotlaping every race until some aliens queue up. And then you'll ask yourself: - why did you put all that arduous work in improving only to not being able to properly race? :dunce:.

So you'll start sandbaging your qualifying time, maybe even not qualify to begin with. And so you'll blaze past some backmarkers holding you up -- hoping they don't get offended and ram you clean off on the upcoming turn.

Then you'll get to the Bs: a lot of them are nice but evidently lack the pace and can be quite overzealous, having odd brake points as a hallmark and the classic divebombs. The B driver will seldom yield, despite running 2-4s slower per lap. They will fight rapaciously for their position: blocking, weaving, brake checks... it's like the smorgasbord at a fine soirée - you've got it all (but the girl :D).

The As are essentially an upgraded B due to one of two things:
(1) - they are more advanced mechanically and possess higher composure/consistency.
(2) - they are essentially the rapid hyperaggressive B with the extended knowledge in gaming the penalty system.

The A+ is one of the four, either:
(1) composed, very consistent, clean, capable, strategic, lacks the cutting edge pace and ambition.
(2) the aggressive type; has higher maximum pace than (1) but is less consistent, borderline dirty, at times reckless. An expert at abusing the penalty system when needed, the master of tiny nudges and punts.
(3) the Alien. Has it all but contrary to mister #2 does not rely on dirty tricks.
(4) the superstar Alien. The pinnacle tier which consists of players you can count on one hand in this game! These are the "Alien" to the Alien :D!

I hope you took joy in reading this as much as it took me compiling this little tier list (albeit admittedly straying from the topic).

P.S: Which type are you guys? :D
 
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Only three races so far today and for a few minutes I was able to carry an S SR....until I met a Swissman in his Atenza.

In lap 1 he lost it on Cooper and went off to the left. I took my chance and went on to pass but unfortunately he came back, slammed me off to the right. I had two wheels on the grass and tried to prevent going off at Surtees and so hit him. He went off the track, hit a Porsche on his way out, I went finally out, too. Five seconds for me and down to SR A again.

In the race before that a frenchman 4 positions behind me banged into the whole group entering Dingle Dell Corner and and got a ridiculous 2 seconds.

It seems more and more people know how to abuse the penalty system. Especially Brands Hatch with its fast, sweeping turns seems to offer various possibilities. Not fun if you want to drive clean but got chosen as the next victim.
 
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Next week's races:

Race A

Suzuka Circuit East Course
7 Laps 12 Players Car(s): N100 | Specially Provided Car BoP: On Settings: Fixed Tire: Sports: Hard

Race B

Dragon Trail - Seaside
5 Laps 16 Players Car(s): GR3 | Car from Garage BoP: On Settings: Fixed Tire: Racing: Hard

Race C

Goodwood Motor Circuit
15 Laps 20 Players Car(s): GR4 | Car from Garage BoP: On Settings: Fixed Tire: Racing: Hard

Some thoughts: Maybe it's finally the Hachi-Roku's time to shine for the N100 at Race A. Back to Hard tyres for Race B when it's been Mediums since RBR is an interesting/weird change. I figured Medium tyres were to be standard going forward.

I didn't expect Gr.4 and Race C at Goodwood although it should still be fun. Oh, and Suzuka again because I know I'd miss it after this week.
 
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What do you do about these people?
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This is why I prefer narrow circuits. Unfortunately Brands Hatch has one wide corner and it gets abused by dive bombers. I have to steer left to avoid his dive bomb, slowing me so much he gets a successful pass. Yet if I don't I get punted off the road. I hope this is illegal in real racing. He left with a red S anyway (punted someone else off in lap 1) and I called him out and reported him. But he'll likely do it again as I only made it work in his favor. Clean race bonus doesn't feel good when you have to let stuff like this go.

He was there again, here is the race. I follow him and pass him at the penalty zone.

The threat of penalties does work somewhat. Driving defensive, closed door lines does stop his dive bombing. I guess one penalty per race is his 'allowance'

And this is the lovely post race chat. I haven't translated it yet, but doesn't sound very friendly.
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Next race he was there again and its contagious. He started ramming people again, got a penalty again, yet people were starting to copy his behavior. I managed to avoid one dive bomb in Sterlings, then got hit by the next one in Clark's curve. Back to last I lost sight of him but the post race chat told me enough of how the rest of the race went. I made up a few positions then had to brake for a car losing control in Sheene's and got punted off by the car coming from behind not paying attention. I stayed on the grass to let 3 cars pass and drive the rest of the race in last. 7th clean race bonus for me, but no race. One individual managed to make SR.S racing worse than SR.B.
 
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The A+ is one of the four, either:
(1) composed, very consistent, clean, capable, strategic, lacks the cutting edge pace and ambition.
(2) the aggressive type; has higher maximum pace than (1) but is less consistent, borderline dirty, at times reckless. An expert at abusing the penalty system when needed, the master of tiny nudges and punts.
(3) the Alien. Has it all but contrary to mister #2 does not rely on dirty tricks.
(4) the superstar Alien. The pinnacle tier which consists of players you can count on one hand in this game! These are the "Alien" to the Alien :D!

I hope you took joy in reading this as much as it took me compiling this little tier list (albeit admittedly straying from the topic).

P.S: Which type are you guys? :D

Thanks for your remarkable post AUTISTICBOYX, I loved it.

I'm not sure what I'll be but I am on the road trying to find out ... should I say most of the time I am on the road...

I have had 4 races with the upgrade, and guess what - 3 wins and 1 second. The second was against fairly good competition, but not great competition. After all the leader ran wide at corner one, I started fourth, and the leader hit the second car; I braked to avoid the second car who recovered and got through; I squeezed through after the big braking and came out in second. The pole setter must have lost his cool because he gained on me for a while then started dropping away. I got 700 DR for coming second, quite different from my usual loss of 1200 DR for coming last.

The interesting thing though - the Audi is now as smooth as silk. It doesn't feel quite as quick despite the change to faster paddle gear changes. Maybe I am imagining it, but if they do feel crisper. But the Audi is now stable on the edges of the track. For instance, at turn three, you leave the slow right hand corner and approach turn 3 by getting to the right. If I touch that right hand side wide curbing, my Audi looses a lot of time, it becomes very unstable. But I tested it pre-race and the car was stable there. I did not risk it in the race buy I got very close, normally I leave some real gap there. So the Audi is more stable. For sure ...

I might have a late night race and change my mind though. :nervous:
 
That's the only cure but then you'll find yourself hotlaping every race until some aliens queue up. And then you'll ask yourself: - why did you put all that arduous work in improving only to not being able to properly race? :dunce:.

So you'll start sandbaging your qualifying time, maybe even not qualify to begin with. And so you'll blaze past some backmarkers holding you up -- hoping they don't get offended and ram you clean off on the upcoming turn.

Then you'll get to the Bs: a lot of them are nice but evidently lack the pace and can be quite overzealous, having odd brake points as a hallmark and the classic divebombs. The B driver will seldom yield, despite running 2-4s slower per lap. They will fight rapaciously for their position: blocking, weaving, brake checks... it's like the smorgasbord at a fine soirée - you've got it all (but the girl :D).

The As are essentially an upgraded B due to one of two things:
(1) - they are more advanced mechanically and possess higher composure/consistency.
(2) - they are essentially the rapid hyperaggressive B with the extended knowledge in gaming the penalty system.

The A+ is one of the four, either:
(1) composed, very consistent, clean, capable, strategic, lacks the cutting edge pace and ambition.
(2) the aggressive type; has higher maximum pace than (1) but is less consistent, borderline dirty, at times reckless. An expert at abusing the penalty system when needed, the master of tiny nudges and punts.
(3) the Alien. Has it all but contrary to mister #2 does not rely on dirty tricks.
(4) the superstar Alien. The pinnacle tier which consists of players you can count on one hand in this game! These are the "Alien" to the Alien :D!

I hope you took joy in reading this as much as it took me compiling this little tier list (albeit admittedly straying from the topic).

P.S: Which type are you guys? :D

I'm number 1. But B rated.

I won't dive bomb, brake check, or defend when it's futile. I just lack outright pace, unless it's a car/circuit combo that I get in with.
 
As posted here i finally got my 11th victory, afaik the only one in 2019, here is the replay :-)

Watching the replay i can see how i become shaky and have a hard time putting down the laps as i get to the end, clearly nervous as frak. The highlights is me going of, losing first place.. and then he does the same, at the exact same spot giving me P1 back. Plus the gentlemen clearly doesn't want to win a race by playing dirty, the same goes for 3rd..

I know replays are boring, but the is as tight as it gets for the slow guys, and when i watch it my pulse starts to raise again.. this game is, as i have said before, unbeatable when things go right. The race was great, the replay shows it, and it is like watching a real race (where you are invested in some of the players). Just like when i watch my fave GT-Drivers doing the Nations and Manufactures cup.

 
The As are essentially an upgraded B due to one of two things:
(1) - they are more advanced mechanically and possess higher composure/consistency.
(2) - they are essentially the rapid hyperaggressive B with the extended knowledge in gaming the penalty system.

The A+ is one of the four, either:
(1) composed, very consistent, clean, capable, strategic, lacks the cutting edge pace and ambition.
(2) the aggressive type; has higher maximum pace than (1) but is less consistent, borderline dirty, at times reckless. An expert at abusing the penalty system when needed, the master of tiny nudges and punts.
(3) the Alien. Has it all but contrary to mister #2 does not rely on dirty tricks.
(4) the superstar Alien. The pinnacle tier which consists of players you can count on one hand in this game! These are the "Alien" to the Alien :D!

I hope you took joy in reading this as much as it took me compiling this little tier list (albeit admittedly straying from the topic).

P.S: Which type are you guys? :D

A+ #1. Though I feel if I had the free time I could get to alien speed.
 
Yesterday evening I had a terrible time in autopolis. Everything happened in 2 races.
In the first race I started 5th or 6th, and between the first and second turn I got 3 SR down because of a south african guy that had a terrible connection. His car was moving all over the track, I didnt know where to go.
On the straight toward the left hairpin I was paying too much attention to the radar to ensure he wouldnt hit me and I miss the braking point, and hit a guy in front (if whoever it was reads this, i'm sorry). I felt like an idiot, got 4s penalty. I wanted to quit (I should have) but I thought "OK, now I do my best to avoid any incident".Impossible.
A guy kept following my bumper with the VW, I was in the renault So I had to brake earlier than him no matter what. He hit me every single corner.
I droped from SR95 to 78 or something.

Next race, I didnt make any mistake, but I had slower people in front, and another idiot behind (relentlessly giving me SR- bumps). I waited patiently that the guy in front does a mistake to pass him, and when he did (completely missing the apex) I passed inside, and he gave me a little bump on my rear (another SR-) just at the end of the overtake. Then just before the end, another guy misses the apex, I start to pass, and the guy slows down to return to the apex and hit me and drives himself out. 4s penalty for me.

I tried race C to recover SR (because it's impossible to recover SR in the middle of SR A drivers on autopolis) and I discovered that this car drives like crap, and that it was terribly dirty.

I lost 2K DR (compaired to the morning) in 3 races, and 29 SR. Frustrating.


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I also noticed something weird, I don't know if i'm the only one with this problem, but in the first half lap, my car does not grip. It seems everyone else is taking their turns way faster than I can, braking way later. From the 2nd lap, it becomes normal again and I have no issues creating a gap behind and closing the gap in front.


Anyone doing this week's Race C? I need to get my SR back after Monza last night and I'm curious about the strategy.
unless you have a wheel don't do Race C. No strategy needed, no stop needed.
The car oversteers only at high speed (that makes no sense) if you turn the stick to the max. If you turn to 50%, no oversteering. With a wheel it's probably easy, with a DS4 it's a pain.
And it's really dirty.
 
What do you do about these people?
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This is why I prefer narrow circuits. Unfortunately Brands Hatch has one wide corner and it gets abused by dive bombers. I have to steer left to avoid his dive bomb, slowing me so much he gets a successful pass. Yet if I don't I get punted off the road. I hope this is illegal in real racing. He left with a red S anyway (punted someone else off in lap 1) and I called him out and reported him. But he'll likely do it again as I only made it work in his favor. Clean race bonus doesn't feel good when you have to let stuff like this go.

He was there again, here is the race. I follow him and pass him at the penalty zone.

The threat of penalties does work somewhat. Driving defensive, closed door lines does stop his dive bombing. I guess one penalty per race is his 'allowance'

And this is the lovely post race chat. I haven't translated it yet, but doesn't sound very friendly.
j8xd.jpg

Next race he was there again and its contagious. He started ramming people again, got a penalty again, yet people were starting to copy his behavior. I managed to avoid one dive bomb in Sterlings, then got hit by the next one in Clark's curve. Back to last I lost sight of him but the post race chat told me enough of how the rest of the race went. I made up a few positions then had to brake for a car losing control in Sheene's and got punted off by the car coming from behind not paying attention. I stayed on the grass to let 3 cars pass and drive the rest of the race in last. 7th clean race bonus for me, but no race. One individual managed to make SR.S racing worse than SR.B.

Target acquired. I'll be on the lookout. :mischievous:

I checked out the new track (Sweetmeat, or something like that).
No jumps, whatsoever. :(
You can't hit the planes in the infield.
The chicane seems like a killer, but you can easily go through the grass on the right to avoid it. I wonder if that will be a time penalty, or a reset on the track.
 
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Target acquired. I'll be on the lookout. :mischievous:

I checked out the new track (Sweetmeat, or something like that).
No jumps, whatsoever. :(
You can't hit the planes in the infield.
The chicane seems like a killer, but you can easily go through the grass on the right to avoid it. I wonder if that will be a time penalty, or a reset on the track.

I hope ghosting works for that chicane, looks like a bus stop situation :lol:
GR.4 hmm, was hoping for some fast classic cars to race on that track
 
Target acquired. I'll be on the lookout. :mischievous:

I checked out the new track (Sweetmeat, or something like that).
No jumps, whatsoever. :(
You can't hit the planes in the infield.
The chicane seems like a killer, but you can easily go through the grass on the right to avoid it. I wonder if that will be a time penalty, or a reset on the track.

Bro, I found your next Avatar. ;)
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I am the Night rider! The Toe Cutter, he knows who I am! I'm a fuel injected suicide machine! Erm yeh....riiiight. Another lesson in hypnotism, this time with the "Oh what a feeling" Supra. I did some qualifying laps and managed to improve upon my previous qualifying time with the R8. That was a surprise considering it didn't feel any faster. That put me P5/15 on a mixed grid of DR/C and D. And there was a bunch of Australians.....juuust great. My experience has been that my fellow aussies tend to be very aggressive.. I feel a session playing in the sand coming up :crazy:. If you subscribe to the theory that the door number is an indication of where PD thinks you will finish, clearly the game shared my expectation... 14.

Race starts pointed in the right direction and there was no dramas in front of me getting past the first 3 corners... then someone up ahead spins out and we all move up one place. From there I'm just focusing on staying on the track and finding myself in utter astonishment that I had struck upon one of those rarest of instances... a car that *actually* behaves the same during the race as it did during qualifying :eek:. My driving style with the Supra can only be described in the words of the Purple One, "a bit too leisurely" . Taking the corners a gear or two higher than recommended gave me the flexibility to drop a gear and upshift again in plenty of time to catch any potential offs.

For the final 3 laps the car behind me was following at a constant 0.8s.... erm...turns out I misread that and it was actually *8*s :lol:. The race could have been 5 laps or 50 laps, the way I was cruising felt very relaxed :dopey:. Brake... drop down, coast, turn, accelerate, shift up.... rinse and repeat ;).

And the finish... wtf? :

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Didn't see that one coming... but I'll take it :lol:!

SR blue, DR up a tad over 1k :eek:. Another day above DR 1 :D.
 
I checked out the new track (Sweetmeat, or something like that).
No jumps, whatsoever. :(
You can't hit the planes in the infield.
The chicane seems like a killer, but you can easily go through the grass on the right to avoid it. I wonder if that will be a time penalty, or a reset on the track.

Are the sidelines filled with vintage cars and people dressed like steam punk mechanics?
 
What do you do about these people?
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I have said it before, and I will say it again, QUALIFY. When I mean qualify, I mean seriously do your best to get yourself the best possible starting position. It's not a super human endeavour. If you take the time to get your Q time up to snuff, you will start better, finish better, and race better people.

If I am faced with mid pack or worse starting positions, I go back to work and get my lap time down. It is essential and, most importantly, it is how you take control of the situation. I've raced you and there is no reason why you should be racing in the B class other than your own efforts to put yourself there.

It's not like starting from the front is any less exciting! It's HARD!! The struggle is real.

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I have said it before, and I will say it again, QUALIFY. When I mean qualify, I mean seriously do your best to get yourself the best possible starting position. It's not a super human endeavour. If you take the time to get your Q time up to snuff, you will start better, finish better, and race better people.

If I am faced with mid pack or worse starting positions, I go back to work and get my lap time down. It is essential and, most importantly, it is how you take control of the situation. I've raced you and there is no reason why you should be racing in the B class other than your own efforts to put yourself there.

It's not like starting from the front is any less exciting! It's HARD!! The struggle is real.

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That's one way to look at it. Another would be for you to enter his world, and try racing from the back. In spite of his frustrations, it's what he enjoys. To each, their own. :)
 
BT have confirmed my internet will be back on by the time I'm home, tomorrow. So, I've at least got a couple of hours after work to try and get closer to my low 1:23 optimum at Brands.

That's one way to look at it. Another would be for you to enter his world, and try racing from the back. In spite of his frustrations, it's what he enjoys. To each, their own. :)

Starting at the back can be a LOT of fun. When we get Gr.2 at Fuji, I generally spend Monday to Wednesday racing from the back. Qualify on Thursday, then start in the top five. Best of both worlds.

Granted, I usually suffer a decent DR loss the first half of the week. But, that's not something I'm overly concerned about.
 
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