"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[zavisic_]

I am doing race C this week, which is focused on fuel saving.
I never use fuel map, I dont like messing with those buttons while driving. But is it better to use it than saving fuel with your own driving?

 

[Tea_Leaves]

Well not much to say about my next Race C other than being punted off at Adenauer and down to last place. I get SR down and perpetrator receives nothing. Later hit the wall for another 5 seconds and left the race. People drive like they're hot lapping. No fun allowed today, maybe next time. On the bright side, I dropped my QT from 8:39 > 8:25.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Raced against @putput44 who has a 2:07.4 ???? just insanity lol.

I raced against him a few times at Bathurst and it was just unfair.

 

[Stencedaddy]

I am doing race C this week, which is focused on fuel saving.
I never use fuel map, I dont like messing with those buttons while driving. But is it better to use it than saving fuel with your own driving?

I prefer short shifting even though i dont know that much about fuel saving. Fuel map feels like it robs me of more power than just using my driving to save fuel. I would rather race c be a one stop so i dont have to fuel save at all

 

[JoeyLeonine]

How far do we think pressing options and auto-driving in spectre-form would get you around the 'Ring?

Asking for a friend...

I still can't get over the people who did that through the Ford Chicanes at Le Mans a couple of weeks ago. Made me so angry.

 

[beegentoo]

Well, even after 5 Laps I couldn't improve my Q-time for race C. I even had to struggle to stay below 9 Minutes. Everything feels different and every car I try just won't turn.

Nonetheless I decided to take my 8:44 and join a race in the Eifel Mountains. The Qualifying times took the whole span of 8:20 up to 9:05 which lead to me starting in 12th position. I chose the Porsche with consequent short shifting and avoiding other cars, even making room when I noticed somebody was reasonably faster than me. I watched the inevitable multi-car-pileups from a safe distance and did not stop. Being sent to 20th in Lap 1 and not pushing for the whole race I finished as I started: 12th. Plus I got a clean race bonus.

It would be such a great race if people would race how racing is done there: Just follow and only pass if you've got a 100% chance to do it quick or someone lets you pass. But as long as people have the stupid idea to race completely unrealistic cars you would never see racing there in real life this will not happen.

 

[KepleroGT]

The Subaru is very fast in the Nurb, but only for qualifying.
I've got a 8:19.165 as a quali lap, which is very fast. However, it has a slight understeer in most corners and is VERY, very fuel hungry. Could barely complete the race on 0 stops and had to turn the fuel to 6 at the end. And I short shifted for the entire race.

 

[O604]

Worked on my time for Race B and went to enter a race... I wasn't paying attention and my PS+ ran out.

Thought there would be a reminder or something. Think I'll wait till the 1st of the month to reactivate. Easier to remember.

 

[beegentoo]

Worked on my time for Race B and went to enter a race... I wasn't paying attention and my PS+ ran out.

Thought there would be a reminder or something. Think I'll wait till the 1st of the month to reactivate. Easier to remember.

Ugh, PS+ is needed for online racing? I didn‘t know it was needed.

Got my Nürburgring Q-lap down to 8:33. Baby steps forward...

 

[Scotchboy]

No, you're not held to a higher standard when you drop out of SR.S, the problem is the traffic gets (even) more unruly once you drop out of SR.S, thus more bumping from behind, which negates any possible SR gains, and a much higher chance of getting more unfair penalties when that bumper tapper scrapes a wall after bumping you.

You are held to higher standards when there is contact with a lower DR driver, which is more common when your SR drops. If you are DR.B and get hit by a DR.C, chances are you get SR Down even when punted off and end up with a wall penalty.

Aha that's what I'd meant. That clears that up then! Yeah it's nigh on impossible to raise SR outside of S, I've found, now I have an explanation!

Today I tried Race B, went back up to SR A. Promptly slammed back down to SR 45 by a Hungarian RC-F that kept hitting everyone in sight. I got 2 3s penalties due to them emergency-stopping in front of me causing me to lightly tap them as I tried to avoid, and another for them pushing me when alongside into another driver who spun. Spent the whole race trying to avoid this guy and a German M4 also causing trouble, but kept getting stuck behind them and thus targeted. One of the worst races I've ever had. That race cost me 20 SR. Raging.

 

[Vegard]

The Subaru is very fast in the Nurb, but only for qualifying.
I've got a 8:19.165 as a quali lap, which is very fast. However, it has a slight understeer in most corners and is VERY, very fuel hungry. Could barely complete the race on 0 stops and had to turn the fuel to 6 at the end. And I short shifted for the entire race.

Try the Evo instead:



I beat my Q time on lap two

 

[NevilleNobody]

Try the Evo instead:



I beat my Q time on lap two

That is SUPERB driving. Firstly, all participants raced fair and in close quarters, great skill. You were uber patient, made very few mistakes, knew a few folks would falloff the road and didn't go for a silly pass despite your pace.

Excellent all round. Bravo.

 

[Voodoovaj]

I am doing race C this week, which is focused on fuel saving.
I never use fuel map, I dont like messing with those buttons while driving. But is it better to use it than saving fuel with your own driving?

I don't think so. I find it costs me more time.

 

[Ben Hunt]

OH MY, Polyphony Digital, your sanctions system is so effing broken!!!! AAAAAGH!!!

Quick rant... I've been rebuilding my DR and SR at the Nürburgring this week, got back up to DR:B (1600) and knocking on SR:A, really enjoying taking the Zen approach and hanging back watching everyone else crash and get penalised.

Then one stupid bloody race where every bastard seems to want to ram me up the arse, I collect 12 seconds of penalties 3/4 of the way round the first lap, NONE of which was my fault, quit in disgust because the race was ruined for me, and it's now knocked me down to DR:C / SR:E!!!!!

The previous race, I was one of only three people that didn't get any penalties. I've been driving like a bloody saint, but it seems none of that is taken into account. It really seems to punish you for quitting a race. I'm furious!

How the hell are you supposed to get out of the bottom-of-the-barrel SR groups when every other **** thinks they can ram?!

 

[Stencedaddy]

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[Ben Hunt]

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I know, it's bloody ridiculous.

You know what would sort out the whole penalty situation? DAMAGE! In games like Grid Motorsport, you want to avoid contact because every time you get a bump you risk damaging your car, which often slows you down, spoiling your aerodynamics or worse.

Introduce damage and the idiots will soon learn. Plus, it'd be more lifelike.

 

[YoBuck]

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Oh mate (-᷅_-᷄๑)

 

[Vegard]

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I had a similar start yesterday; P3 to P20 with a 4 second penalty after P2 lost it out of T2.

You were uber patient, made very few mistakes, knew a few folks would falloff the road and didn't go for a silly pass despite your pace.

I see a lot of people push on lap one and then save fuel on lap two. I figure It's faster to do the opposite when you're behind a big group. Overtaking fuel savers is like stealing candy from kids.

 

[Pigems]

I know, it's bloody ridiculous.

You know what would sort out the whole penalty situation? DAMAGE! In games like Grid Motorsport, you want to avoid contact because every time you get a bump you risk damaging your car, which often slows you down, spoiling your aerodynamics or worse.

Introduce damage and the idiots will soon learn. Plus, it'd be more lifelike.

But with damage people would just brake check you a lot more, rear damage to them will hardly hurt their car while they take out your front end and leave you in the dust.

 

[Ben Hunt]

But with damage people would just brake check you a lot more, rear damage to them will hardly hurt their car while they take out your front end and leave you in the dust.

Why? Do you see that in British Touring Cars? The game is meant to be a driving simulator, so let's make it lifelike. There's nothing to stop PD from applying certain penalties in addition to damage. In fact, brake-checking should be one of the easier scenarios to code.

 

[vvise]

I know, it's bloody ridiculous.

You know what would sort out the whole penalty situation? DAMAGE! In games like Grid Motorsport, you want to avoid contact because every time you get a bump you risk damaging your car, which often slows you down, spoiling your aerodynamics or worse.

Introduce damage and the idiots will soon learn. Plus, it'd be more lifelike.

you're telling me he'd feel much better if on top of the 7 second of undeserved penalties he also took a race crippling amount of damage??? how would that fix anything?

The damage argument makes no sense. People don't crash into you because they want to, they do it because they can't control their car. A stronger deterrent doesn't give someone more car control. The video in question is perfect, that SLS lit up the rears by accident not out of malice, the rest was just unavoidable.

 

[sdi_03]

PeNalty time, SR wreck Tokyo. Had 3 races, first made mistake, and kissed the wall 5sec pen. Started P2 and end P6.

Decided to take race 2 so I could get dr back. Again P2 start, P1 took start penalty and got P1 from start.
P2 punts me wide on T4, nice 5sec penalty, next guy hits me on the straight after T4, so now carriyng 10sec penalty...
Pinball machine has started, before lap 1 was finished, had 17 sec worth of penaltys, Nice just quit. DR down 1k and SR drops to 85.
Everyone has SR S in that lobby.

Race 3 I knew that I could get my SR and DR back at lower SR lobby.
Got pole finished 6 sec before P2. The difference in speed is huge it seems, when you drop from 99SR to 85.
Also the penalty calculator was different, at lap 1 the guy in P2 hit my rearbumber 3 times, and wall tapping after. He tryed to get me 5sec penalty.
Nice and polite gentleman.

PD, bring the damage to the dailys.

 

[Ben Hunt]

you're telling me he'd feel much better if on top of the 7 second of undeserved penalties he also took a race crippling amount of damage??? how would that fix anything?

The damage argument makes no sense. People don't crash into you because they want to, they do it because they can't control their car. A stronger deterrent doesn't give someone more car control. The video in question is perfect, that SLS lit up the rears by accident not out of malice, the rest was just unavoidable.

Damage makes perfect sense. In the real world, racing is a percentage game. Someone who can't control their car will get trashed all the time and dive in the DR. If GTS is a sim, rather than an arcade game, then simulate real life. I think it's a no-brainer.

 

[sdi_03]

you're telling me he'd feel much better if on top of the 7 second of undeserved penalties he also took a race crippling amount of damage??? how would that fix anything?

The damage argument makes no sense. People don't crash into you because they want to, they do it because they can't control their car. A stronger deterrent doesn't give someone more car control. The video in question is perfect, that SLS lit up the rears by accident not out of malice, the rest was just unavoidable.

That is just opposite what I have encountered. 99.999% of punts I have recieved, are intentional and planned.
Damage would be bad for all at the start, but I'll bet that the racing would be cleaner in no time.

 

[sturk0167]

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I sure hope you caught back up to that dude.

 

[Pigems]

Why? Do you see that in British Touring Cars? The game is meant to be a driving simulator, so let's make it lifelike. There's nothing to stop PD from applying certain penalties in addition to damage. In fact, brake-checking should be one of the easier scenarios to code.

Yes, in real life somebody actually owns the cars and has to pay real money to fix the damages, in GT they don’t. You can also actually get Injured in real racing, or even die, or kill someone else, and again, in GT you can’t. That’s only 2 reasons why people would End up exploiting it if damage was added.

And for the penalties, how would you differentiate between a guy using an earlier brake point then the guy behind him that ends up in a “brake check/punt” and an actual brake check or punt?

 

[CrimsonKing]

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Some people can't bear being passed.

 

[GumballCGT]

I typically stay out of dailies, but the Nurburgring race is a good one. Ran the BMW, Aston, and Toyota Supra Gr.3 cars which all seem to make the same lap times. World record is some insane 8:04.7 I saw but no idea what car it’s in. Happy with my time though after running a handful of laps with this one.

 

[Mistah_MCA]

I typically stay out of dailies, but the Nurburgring race is a good one. Ran the BMW, Aston, and Toyota Supra Gr.3 cars which all seem to make the same lap times. World record is some insane 8:04.7 I saw but no idea what car it’s in. Happy with my time though after running a handful of laps with this one.

I have some work to do. If I can bring it under 8:10 before the races change, I'll owe you one.

 

[sturk0167]

I typically stay out of dailies, but the Nurburgring race is a good one. Ran the BMW, Aston, and Toyota Supra Gr.3 cars which all seem to make the same lap times. World record is some insane 8:04.7 I saw but no idea what car it’s in. Happy with my time though after running a handful of laps with this one.

Pretty damn good. 👍 I'm 100% sure I'll never be able to do that, and that if I see you on that track, I also won't be finishing within the time limit.