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I tried to no-stop a race in the Porsche. There is no issue with fuel with that car, and the tires were ok with a BB 0 but I simply did not have the pace in the end. So I tried one more race and decided to pit for tires. It was a tough race as I did a big mistake in the Senna S and then had to fight from the back, but given that I was pretty please with my final result. (ALSO: Let me know what you think about the camera inset that I'm experimenting with)


Nice come back! After falling down the order early on and then gaining 7 positions? Too bad, should have been even better.
I was in that race too, havent really been able to make the no stop work for me too well tho.
Tried the Lexus and can just barely squeak in the race but im map 3 or 4 thru corner sections and 2 or 1 only in 4th or 5th gear on straights. Tried the Atenza after @Winnie847 suggested and was better. But I still just ran out 40m from the finish and lost 2 positions. I cant push hard enough with the car lean'ed out like that...
 
Odd very odd. GR3 Car (Peug VGT) seems to snap for no obvious reason after the s-corner leading up to the second long straight when staying close to curb. Had another moment (exactly the same yesterday at same place) like someone is driving into you from the left side of the curb. Watching replay no-one is there but it caused a colission with another GTP member which I am very annoyed about. Sorry fellah :cheers: Strange things going on there at that course. Second time it happend to me.

Also got hugely t-boned by someone....
 
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Those on fresher tyres in the 2nd half of race C don't have the right to pass no matter what. Those in front can defend as much as they please. Its not much of a race if they just wave everyone through.

In any case in race C the car on fresher tyres should have so much more grip they should be able to overtake even the most robust defender cleanly without too much trouble but don't expect to make every overtaking attempt stick and do expect to have to pull out of a few before you eventually get past.

Its when the attacker thinks they have a right to pass and the defender the right to stay in front no matter what when things go wrong.
 
Can you clarify for what is and what's isn't acceptable defensive driving then?

We've established that we're not going to just pull over to let a faster driver through, but that we'll carry on racing.

And established that weaving in the braking zone and out braking ourselves to cause contact is a no-no.

But... Regardless of what strategy everyone is on, and how much faster the person is behind, the guy ahead sure has a prerogative to defend, right?! I.e. try and break the slip stream early on a straight. Take a defensive inside line and park in on the apex? At the end of the day you're fighting for position and whether or not you think you should be further up the road is kinda mute.

If you've got serious speed/tyre advantage then the onus is on you to get a good run through Senna/that last corner to get a good run on the straights and use it. Because no matter the strength of defence (unless it isn't kosher) you get in right, you'll make the pass. But you have to get it right. You cant get annoyed at someone for defending if you haven't driven well enough to make the pass plausible. Faster or not.

Like Suzuka earlier in the week. I was leading in clean air from L2 onwards and a guy who was clearly faster than me caught up. I defended fairly and well and he couldn't pass, despite clearly being quicker. In the end got frustrated and dived through Degner 2 and pushed me off. He got a penalty and we finished 4&5. As frustrating for him as it must have been, knowing he was quicker than me, all he had to do was wait until Spoon and nail it. No matter how good my defensive driving was if he'd nailed it and any time I'd have been a sitting duck into 130R and there would have been no complaints anywhere.
 
More at Suzuka.

Main account time down to 2:09.279. Still want that sub-2:09, but should race.

Two races with the Lexus on second account.
Qually time on this account at 2:09.500.

Race 1

Started 3rd from 16. All B/S rated.
Lexus, VW Scirocco, Alfa 4C make up top 5 cars.
Pole 2:09.2xx

Finished 3rd.
2nd went off at Degna 2 on lap 1. He didn’t ghost that quickly, so a brake earlier as I would have hit him. He ghosted as I was hitting the apex.
I went off a little after 130R on the same lap and the Scirocco got past me at the chicane.
4th, in the Audi, not far behind me at this point either.

I tapped the Scirocco slightly under braking at the hairpin on lap 2 for SR down, but gave him space to get back in front coming out of the corner.
Then me, 2nd and 3rd within 2 seconds of each other for the rest of the race.
Blue SR at the end of the race, as had most of the drivers.

Race 2

Started on pole, by 0.009. All B/S rated. Only 14 starters.
Alfa, Lexus and Audi in top 5.

Finished 2nd.
Held the lead from the Alfa in 2nd on lap 1. Very close behind, but I took a tight line at the hairpin and he got swallowed up by a Megane into Spoon.
On the second lap the Megane put in a 2:09.1xx fastest lap! I thought, “I’m going to struggle here”. Kept the Megane behind until the chicane on lap 3. He got a good run at me from Spoon. He had the inside at the chicane. I didn’t fight it. Third was over 2 seconds back. I’ll take the safe 2nd place here!

Clean race bonus for me.

SR back to 99 and my DR on the second account is higher than the DR on my main account!

Just seen that one of the Sport Mode time trials is the Honda S2000 in the wet. I think that might be worth a go. I’ve not tried the wet track update yet.
 
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I know it's getting touchy on race C but tonight was a good example of some clean racing with my races. Granted there was space, but I tried a no stopper in the first race and made some calculated surrenders. Had spent the first half in 4th, riding the slipstream but the leader (miles faster than anyone else in the race) came through after his stop I saw he gained almost 6 tenths on the run up the hill after the final turn. Put on my blinker and moved right as he was only 0.2 behind. He moves through cleanly and I get almost a lap of slipstream before he pulls away. 2 laps from the end I defend for most of a lap, but a bad run through senna kills me so I pull the same move heading to 4, mainly because the guy behind is coming with a full head of steam and I've got a chance to ride him to save a third place. If I fight it, he'll drive by on the front straight no matter what, so repeat and hold on until I get wobbly through the hairpin. Example of bad passing follows as the guy in fourth simply barges in on the next turn (last hard right), shoves me wide and takes third as I didn't get pushed all the way off, but it was an obvious dive bomb from 0.5 back. He thanks everyone for a clean race afterward. If I could punt that asshole I would have.

Clear idea where giving the pass when it is advantageous versus captain chrome-head blasting their way through because they think they are entitled to the spot. In my second race I did a stop, came out 5th and passed next two as I lined them up and they both lost it wide on worn tires so I just drove through on the inside, but simply had to wait 1 turn, or on the second car about 2-ish as he lost it when he jumped on the gas on exit. Last lap I got blasted wide on same turn as previous race but the driver got a penalty this time as i was hit past the curbing. Managed to save it and came home 2nd after his penalty, he fell to 5th. Yay! Justice!

On another note, getting SR is hell in that race. Outside of those couple of minor incidents I had totally clean races. Totall gain of 7 SR? Guess PD listened and made SR harder to get.
 
Can you clarify for what is and what's isn't acceptable defensive driving then?

We've established that we're not going to just pull over to let a faster driver through, but that we'll carry on racing.

And established that weaving in the braking zone and out braking ourselves to cause contact is a no-no.

But... Regardless of what strategy everyone is on, and how much faster the person is behind, the guy ahead sure has a prerogative to defend, right?! I.e. try and break the slip stream early on a straight. Take a defensive inside line and park in on the apex? At the end of the day you're fighting for position and whether or not you think you should be further up the road is kinda mute.

If you've got serious speed/tyre advantage then the onus is on you to get a good run through Senna/that last corner to get a good run on the straights and use it. Because no matter the strength of defence (unless it isn't kosher) you get in right, you'll make the pass. But you have to get it right. You cant get annoyed at someone for defending if you haven't driven well enough to make the pass plausible. Faster or not.

Like Suzuka earlier in the week. I was leading in clean air from L2 onwards and a guy who was clearly faster than me caught up. I defended fairly and well and he couldn't pass, despite clearly being quicker. In the end got frustrated and dived through Degner 2 and pushed me off. He got a penalty and we finished 4&5. As frustrating for him as it must have been, knowing he was quicker than me, all he had to do was wait until Spoon and nail it. No matter how good my defensive driving was if he'd nailed it and any time I'd have been a sitting duck into 130R and there would have been no complaints anywhere.
The problem are the physics and internet connection/lag. These cars, as we know, don't stop on a dime. If a player defends, they still need to leave room. Yes, the car attacking or just behind, has to make a judgement when to attack, hold station. There is inadvertent contact, when cars are extremely close. SOme of it, is due to the car on worn tyres vs the car on fresher tyres. By the time these cars in GT try to gain traction on worn tyres, the car on fresh tyres is already on a trajectory that doesn't easily allow a quick change of direction, like real life race cars. We see this time and again with the bump bump bump of a car that is loose, trying not to go off the outside of a corner and the car slightly behind up the inside, not dive bombing, but trying not to off the other player. It's almost as if the car behind makes things worse by actually using the brakes to shave more speed, but induces a very low speed slide.

We've all been in a situation where, "If only the player behind, waited until the next straight....". Thing is, players need to watch real racing and learn. Supercars is good to watch the effect of worn tyres, narrow track limits , yielding and knowing when to defend and who you are racing. We race to for some time of result. Those of us that don't win on a daily bases, usually want a clean race as a reward. Just don't hit me on the first lap or at all or I'll let you pass if you're patient. We don't get a lot of time, during a race, to work these scenarios out.

In the highlights below, the GTS etiquette videos for mainly tin top cars, is similar to what we experience in SPort MOde:



WHen you know someone has fresher tyres, it may be better to just let them go, than to slow you both up for others to catch up and make things worse.

 
Got air dropped into a low lobby on Race B (probably due to losing a few SR whilst drink driving...). I'm A/S and the entire field was D/S. Anyway, did my bit, stayed on the road (just), clean sweep, won by 17s, and gained... 15 DR! From 42814 to 42829 :lol:. A win is a win though!

Anyway, decided 🤬 the RC F! I can't get used to it, the optimal is decent but can't string corners together let alone sectors! I love the NSX so much more. Down to a 2:08.4 and have a couple of tenths left in the tank. I know the RC F is a quicker machine around Suzuka and the gearing is slightly shorter which should help but if I can't get the times consistently I may as well stick with the Honda...

I'll give it another go!:banghead:
 
Down to 1:33.093 at Brazil,
braking early and brushing up against wall before going into the S saved me a few hundredths but then i’m loosing time on exit going over the kurbs because I can’t steer it at angle to avoid them, my optimal is around 1:32.600 though.
 
Got air dropped into a low lobby on Race B (probably due to losing a few SR whilst drink driving...). I'm A/S and the entire field was D/S. Anyway, did my bit, stayed on the road (just), clean sweep, won by 17s, and gained... 15 DR! From 42814 to 42829 :lol:. A win is a win though!

I had something similar at DTS, last week. Q time was 1:45.730. Got dropped into a lobby populated entirely by DR D/C SR:A/S (I'm A/S) drivers. I was tempted to drop out, as the second fastest Q time was a 46.9xx.

As you say, a win is a win, and I did appreciate the warm up session. But, I did feel bad for the others in the race. It is seriously disheartening getting lumped in with a fast guy, when you're not at their level. I distinctly remember feeling like it wasn't even worth trying, when it happened to me.
 
One guy hit me twice in a race. Got 4 secs pen each time. He had no knowledge of taking the outside line i think. I took the inside line and he bumped me twice. If the doofus hadnt hit me, both he and me would have finished in top 5 but no. Some fools are so fool i tell you.
 
I had something similar at DTS, last week. Q time was 1:45.730. Got dropped into a lobby populated entirely by DR D/C SR:A/S (I'm A/S) drivers. I was tempted to drop out, as the second fastest Q time was a 46.9xx.

As you say, a win is a win, and I did appreciate the warm up session. But, I did feel bad for the others in the race. It is seriously disheartening getting lumped in with a fast guy, when you're not at their level. I distinctly remember feeling like it wasn't even worth trying, when it happened to me.
You shouldn't feel bad about it, it's just slight penance for all the times you think you should have a decent chance and then find yourself up against a guy with a top 10 qualy time three races running!
 
Well, the FIA races are RTC at Tsukuba and Gr.4 at Lago.

I'll guess RAce C Gr.1 Le Mans and Race B Gr.3 at Red Bull wet. Race A Gr.4 FF at Autopolis.
 
Proof that putting in a decent qualifying times doesn't always help. I came within less than 1s of @sturk0167 's time... and match fixing screwed me over again... P11/18 on a grid where there was only 2 DR/Ds, a C, the rest Bs. I knew it wasn't going to end well. The results too depressing to report. :banghead:

Edit: Just checked the replay, and for once I can address another player from the race here. Sorry @lisanorm , I knocked you wide at Descida do Largo. Replay shows almost contact, but the way the back end pivoted, there must have been contact :guilty:.
 
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Had a good run late last night......Lost track of time and suddenly noticed it was 5am .

First three races were figuring out strategy. Qualified with a 1:30.6 using the RSR which was good for P2. Race 1 I was all over P1 trying to get by but he was great on defense. I made a mistake and dropped to 5th but pulled it back to P3 on last lap. Went with a no stop strategy.

Next two races I started P2 and we ran away from the field. Race 2 we both ran a no stop and I finished 2sec behind after a back and forth fuel strategy race. 3rd race he caught me off guard and he pit. I figured “weird he’s only 4sec ahead, that pit is going to cost him the race. Anddddd he passed me with ease, no point in trying to fight it. He promptly left for the night knowing I wouldn’t be caught out again.

Race 4-8 I opted for a pit stop after realizing it only costs you 10-11 seconds which in hind sight is a no brainer.

Had 2 good races against no stoppers, one who managed to hold me off till the final lap. He made a questionable move in the braking zone for the final turn but not that bad. I ended up getting him through T2 when I took the outside line which gave me the inside for T3 and game over.

Exit of T3 going into T4 is a great spot to pass no stoppers as they struggle for grip. Let them run wide at exit(reg race line) and on the entry to T3 stay further to the left and use a really late apex to then have an easy pass.

Final results of the night were P3,2,2,1,1,1,1,1.
 
Had a good run late last night......Lost track of time and suddenly noticed it was 5am .

First three races were figuring out strategy. Qualified with a 1:30.6 using the RSR which was good for P2. Race 1 I was all over P1 trying to get by but he was great on defense. I made a mistake and dropped to 5th but pulled it back to P3 on last lap. Went with a no stop strategy.

Next two races I started P2 and we ran away from the field. Race 2 we both ran a no stop and I finished 2sec behind after a back and forth fuel strategy race. 3rd race he caught me off guard and he pit. I figured “weird he’s only 4sec ahead, that pit is going to cost him the race. Anddddd he passed me with ease, no point in trying to fight it. He promptly left for the night knowing I wouldn’t be caught out again.

Race 4-8 I opted for a pit stop after realizing it only costs you 10-11 seconds which in hind sight is a no brainer.

Had 2 good races against no stoppers, one who managed to hold me off till the final lap. He made a questionable move in the braking zone for the final turn but not that bad. I ended up getting him through T2 when I took the outside line which gave me the inside for T3 and game over.

Exit of T3 going into T4 is a great spot to pass no stoppers as they struggle for grip. Let them run wide at exit(reg race line) and on the entry to T3 stay further to the left and use a really late apex to then have an easy pass.

Final results of the night were P3,2,2,1,1,1,1,1.

Nice to meet you last night man, you had some amazing pace. I finished behind you in two of those races. We had a good little fight on the first stint of my 2nd race, and when I came out of the pits on your bumper I thought I might have a chance, but you didn’t make any mistakes and I was left in the dust. Well done!
 
Was all psyched to try a Suzuka race this morning.

But first 4 laps in practice this morning I couldn't get passed Casio Triangle and couldn't even get to the start line. Confidence killer. More coffee. :lol:

+ Had more coffee. Got a race in. QT. 2:10.706. Start 2. Finished 3. Decent race for a Sat. morning.
 
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Nice to meet you last night man, you had some amazing pace. I finished behind you in two of those races. We had a good little fight on the first stint of my 2nd race, and when I came out of the pits on your bumper I thought I might have a chance, but you didn’t make any mistakes and I was left in the dust. Well done!

Likewise! Yeah I added a bit too much fuel and you were right there at the exit of the pits. I knew I needed to push to break the draft, not sure if you noticed but I nearly lost in in T2 I think the lap after our pit. Caught a lil too much curb and luckily didn’t lose much time. I was constantly checking the gap/mirror. We left everyone in the dust that race!
 
re: defending

If someone is right up behind me on way fresher tires I'll move off the line to let them pass so I can slide in right behind them to get the slipstream. Let them tow me along on their fresh rubber. There's really no point in defending hard when you are at such a significant tire disadvantage IMO. Instead you should've managed tires better or pitted as well to get new tires. Unless it's the last lap/stint, but in that case this should only happen if you're no-stopping

This strategy fails when the person behind is overly eager though and goes for an off-line pass at the same time as I'm trying to let them through.
 
Had some time to sit down and try Interlagos and properly do some practice... I'm not a fan of it with a DS4, these Senna esse's and the last turn are my weak areas but down to a 1:31.583 in the AMG, TC 1 BB+2

Not much racing for me, heading to the WEC race at Silverstone tomorrow
 
Is there a way to test daily race settings (fuel + tires) in a solo lobby? Would like to practice pit strategies
You can set a Custom offline Race or go to Lobbies. You'll just have to memorize the settings that's in place for the Daily Race (i.e. tire wear, fuel rate). The only thing is that for Lobbies, you'll need another player to start the race.
 
You can set a Custom offline Race or go to Lobbies. You'll just have to memorize the settings that's in place for the Daily Race (i.e. tire wear, fuel rate). The only thing is that for Lobbies, you'll need another player to start the race.
Thanks. I went through and set up a lobby with all the settings to practice but then it wouldn't let me start the race solo and the practice laps didn't have tire or fuel use. I'll try custom races.
 
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