"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[GOTMAXPOWER]

All I have to say is, if you don't want the milk man in your home, you need to shut the door. Fast forward to the end, if you must.


Ended with FL and CRB.

I'm not sure why people are disagreeing with this overtake, the gap closes after you are committed to the move. Not the way anybody would want to win but not a fat lot you can do about it. The comment that all out-braking maneuvers are dirty is just silly.

 

[peppermint430]

lol this is the sort of move you definitely dont share

 

[Pigems]

@05XR8 He tried to block you under braking more than you tried to pass him, he moved back to the inside waaay to early for that corner from the outside line. He got what happens when you try to block.

 

[Veinz]

That is why you don’t move under braking.

 

[Petroperu]

Got my Spa time down to a 27.8 from 28.3 tonight. I went with a varying BB throughout the lap, it seemed to do the trick. I’ve never really tried that before, but it actually works pretty well when it doesn’t 🤬 you up.




Edit: Gonna try a couple race C’s before the WRS race tonight.

I am looking at your Spa video and I can't see where I am losing about 5 seconds.
The only thing I do is go on second instead of third a couple turns and do a bit of lift off on the throttle mid eau rouge.
The car might be the difference.
I've used the Aston Martin DB8 and the AMG SLS. The DB8 sits at 398 while the SLS stays at 410 I believe after BPH.

 

[Robb Clarke]

All I have to say is, if you don't want the milk man in your home, you need to shut the door. Fast forward to the end, if you must.


Ended with FL and CRB.

Watched it a few times and there is no gap to out brake him or pass him(7:44), you started braking when you where still behind him, than u came to the inside where there was no space to overtake and pushed him off, but thats my opinion. I would like to see a real life example off this kinda overtake in a chicane or this chicane! i doubt you'll find one without crashing



Thats how its done

 

[250Cal]

I'm not sure why people are disagreeing with this overtake, the gap closes after you are committed to the move. Not the way anybody would want to win but not a fat lot you can do about it. The comment that all out-braking maneuvers are dirty is just silly.

It's the kind of move you try not to make but sometimes it's just how it is. If it happens to you it's annoying.

I find it very interesting the amount of indignation expressed by some people. Some people must have incredibly high driving standard. It's a video game played across a network with a degree of latency with almost zero feel and few sensory inputs. Even in that context, many claim to have never pulled a marginal move or made contact during an overtake etc.

The most strident critics never post footage, though some write stories about their Mad Max vigilante-isms.

Reminds me I do need to sort a NA account.

I think there's a sweet spot for cleanest racing which is around Gr.4/Gr.3. Lower than that and the speed differential, or lack of, means push to pass. Faster and the issues above lead to clumsier movements, especially on the DS4.

 

[Pigems]

Watched it a few times and there is no gap to out brake him or pass him(7:44), you started braking when you where still behind him, than u came to the inside where there was no space to overtake and pushed him off, but thats my opinion. I would like to see a real life example off this kinda overtake in a chicane or this chicane! i doubt you'll find one without crashing



Thats how its done

Where was he supposed to go? The guy in front started on the inside, moved to the outside to brake and then cut right to the middle in the braking zone. That’s not how that corner is taken, the outside line is held all the way along the curb and you turn much later. That guy moved right into the middle
Of the road for near the entire braking zone, it was a clear attempt to block a pass.

 

[jAMPiRATE]

In my opinion if you're only able to make a move because you know there's no damage and then subsequently hit them to complete the pass then it's definitely not a move worth bragging about.

 

[BenRod]

Where was he supposed to go? The guy in front started on the inside, moved to the outside to brake and then cut right to the middle in the braking zone. That’s not how that corner is taken, the outside line is held all the way along the curb and you turn much later. That guy moved right into the middle
Of the road for near the entire braking zone, it was a clear attempt to block a pass.

Exactly.

Viewing the whole video shows there are some other "questionable" occurences. The driver of the GT-R might have known something was up since he pulled over and gave a pass out of Le Source, but look at what happened to him eventually. I would bet that there is a good chance this driver doesn't hesitate to smash into the back of anybody ahead... Penalty and SR be damned.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Not sure I agree. The car in front moves across the front of spacedust basically spinning himself out. All they needed to do was hold their line and they'd have the inside line to the last corner and taken the win. It's also poor race raft to move in the braking zone like that. Just my opinion of course

I watched this in my phone in the car. And I have to make amends. You are right. I saw it again on my pc and it's clear,he goes left, then right. And there where no place else to go.

It's not about faster drivers. I portrayed good race craft the whole race. I was taking the outside, as he chose to defend the inside. He faints left and takes my braking point on the outside line that I have chosen. In that split second, I've nowhere to go on the outside. Okay, I'll go inside if he's going to squeeze me to the outside. I go inside but he decides on closing the door and I'm already braking.

The previous race, I chose my line and was giving room to drivers behind me, going for the late braking. Last two laps, I got banged up the inside in the chicane and lost both places( I was 4th and then 5th).

Edit: Exactly like watto posted. In my race with the Scirocco vs the SLS, see how the SLS held its line as I stayed outside trying to late brake. The SLS held its line no matter what. Didin't move off line or block across the the braking zone. Trying to pass on the outside is near impossible. So, I had to follow.

Had the RC F just stayed inside, I would have had to just follow behind, after it turned in.

Yes, I apologize, I was wrong. He should have held his line or stayed to the left once he moved. Now it was a double fault. You really had no choice. I watched on my phone, should know better than to trust my old eyes to make a proper judgement on that. I rewatch ed I now.

 

[Voodoovaj]

That is why you don’t move under braking.

Boom, exactly.

I somewhat disagree with @QC YALUM that the pass was out of place, I don't think it was that far back at all. But, we will never know, because the other guy should not have moved over. He lost out because he tried to cover both passing lanes instead of committing to one.

He should have taken the inside and forced an outside pass.


Here is another instance of what I am pounding the drum about. Penalize for contact so that people avoid contact. There was more than enough contact there for both cars to get a penalty. Not a huge penalty, but a penalty none the less.

 

[Petroperu]

Watched it a few times and there is no gap to out brake him or pass him(7:44), you started braking when you where still behind him, than u came to the inside where there was no space to overtake and pushed him off, but thats my opinion. I would like to see a real life example off this kinda overtake in a chicane or this chicane! i doubt you'll find one without crashing



Thats how its done

Some dude tried to overtake me at the chicane the same way. He had the inside and we were almost neck to neck so I couldn't overtake him.
I just went wide and indeed he tried to take the inside of the chicane but he overshot it and went past me.

 

[Robb Clarke]

Where was he supposed to go? The guy in front started on the inside, moved to the outside to brake and then cut right to the middle in the braking zone. That’s not how that corner is taken, the outside line is held all the way along the curb and you turn much later. That guy moved right into the middle
Of the road for near the entire braking zone, it was a clear attempt to block a pass.

there simply was no place to overtake (so u brake or backoff)! The guy in front went from inside to the outside yes.. in real life u can leave the race line 1 time to defend, but at some point he have to turn in, even if he turns a little later he would still have been pushed off the track because of the bold move from the second guy.. it was his last chance to win (and knowing its just a game) thats why he went for an impossible move!
In real life second guy would backoff else u crash.

 

[Petroperu]

You're actually proud of that overtake? That was some very unsportsmanlike driving.

Have to agree here.
You did the overtake maneuver in an area too small. He tried to close in and as a result, you nudged him off track.
When I have someone behind me on the last lap before the chicane, I know they are going to hit me so I go wide and cut inside.
In my opinion doing the chicane from the inside will make you lose speed mid turn.
I just go outside, brake before apex, hit the gas and have enough speed to exit out faster.

 

[Deadpool]

05XR8 did nothing wrong, the other driver moved in the braking zone which is illegal in racing.

The other driver did make it obvious he was going to the outside IMO and nothing wrong with his initial moves. But then he tried to switch back to the inside under braking to block 05XR8 which was a dirty/desperate move and he deserved to lose for that. Anyone defending a double move in the braking zone are ignorant and defending idiocy.

 

[djidane57]

its getting really annoying those negative SR for the slightest of contacts
i'm holding my line on T3 cataluyna , just for everybody to ram me for behind left and right and everytime that orange SR pops up

After only lap i just knew i would get the red rating , i was right

 

[Deadpool]

there simply was no place to overtake (so u brake or backoff)! The guy in front went from inside to the outside yes.. in real life u can leave the race line 1 time to defend, but at some point he have to turn in, even if he turns a little later he would still have been pushed off the track because of the bold move from the second guy.. it was his last chance to win (and knowing its just a game) thats why he went for an impossible move!
In real life second guy would backoff else u crash.

No, you’re wrong.

You’re allowed to make a move and return to the racing line ON THE STRAIGHT. Once you are within the braking zone you are not allowed to move under braking. F1 has had to slap a few drivers hands over double moves under braking.

You misunderstood the rules

 

[05XR8]

In my opinion if you're only able to make a move because you know there's no damage and then subsequently hit them to complete the pass then it's definitely not a move worth bragging about.

There is no bragging whatsoever. I race hard, but fair. I take loses all the time. When i'm beaten, I'm beaten. In this race, like many I have done, even myself, his rhythm is disrupted from the start of the last lap. He's making mistakes and I'm gaining. He knows I'm coming. I didn't even think I'd catch him with the fast RC F, but I didn't give up. I was content to stay in 2nd, but he lost so much speed and I had good pace.

there simply was no place to overtake (so u brake or backoff)! The guy in front went from inside to the outside yes.. in real life u can leave the race line 1 time to defend, but at some point he have to turn in, even if he turns a little later he would still have been pushed off the track because of the bold move from the second guy.. it was his last chance to win (and knowing its just a game) thats why he went for an impossible move!
In real life second guy would backoff else u crash.

In real life, tell a real racer to back off on the last lap. Good luck with that one.

Have to agree here.
You did the overtake maneuver in an area too small. He tried to close in and as a result, you nudged him off track.
When I have someone behind me on the last lap before the chicane, I know they are going to hit me so I go wide and cut inside.
In my opinion doing the chicane from the inside will make you lose speed mid turn.
I just go outside, brake before apex, hit the gas and have enough speed to exit out faster.

The "overtake" maneuver was actually an avoidance reaction to being squeezed to the outside.
In my opinion, taking the inside into the chicane, guarantees you're not getting passed. It sends a signal to the car behind that he's got no option. That's why you take away the inside move.
Someone mentioned I shouldn't have posted the incident. No, incidents like this do happen and it's constructive. Thank you for your opinions.

 

[Petroperu]

No, you’re wrong.

You’re allowed to make a move and return to the racing line ON THE STRAIGHT. Once you are within the braking zone you are not allowed to move under braking. F1 has had to slap a few drivers hands over double moves under braking.

You misunderstood the rules

You might be right but in this game, dude should have been penalized for that overtake.
Mainly because he made contact knowing he had no space to maneuver.
I wonder if there was a physical barrier, he would've done the same maneuver.

 

[05XR8]

You might be right but in this game, dude should have been penalized for that overtake.
Mainly because he made contact knowing he had no space to maneuver.
I wonder if there was a physical barrier, he would've done the same maneuver.

 

[Petroperu]

There is no bragging whatsoever. I race hard, but fair. I take loses all the time. When i'm beaten, I'm beaten. In this race, like many I have done, even myself, his rhythm is disrupted from the start of the last lap. He's making mistakes and I'm gaining. He knows I'm coming. I didn't even think I'd catch him with the fast RC F, but I didn't give up. I was content to stay in 2nd, but he lost so much speed and I had good pace.

In real life, tell a real racer to back off on the last lap. Good luck with that one.

The "overtake" maneuver was actually an avoidance reaction to being squeezed to the outside.
In my opinion, taking the inside into the chicane, guarantees you're not getting passed. It sends a signal to the car behind that he's got no option. That's why you take away the inside move.
Someone mentioned I shouldn't have posted the incident. No, incidents like this do happen and it's constructive. Thank you for your opinions.

The problem with your idea is that not everyone will stop at the chicane from the inside when they have someone ahead of them.
I can guarantee you they will try to go out and re-enter just to hit you.
EDIT: Or worse, rear end you and send you flying.
That's why I make that maneuver of going out in and out.
Anyways, it should be illegal to pass at the chicane.
There is a reason why it is a chicane. You put a set of tires at the outside of that and you will think twice about overtaking.
It's like the chicane at Monaco.

 

[Deadpool]

You might be right but in this game, dude should have been penalized for that overtake.
Mainly because he made contact knowing he had no space to maneuver.
I wonder if there was a physical barrier, he would've done the same maneuver.

See that’s not what happened at all. The lead driver went for the outside line in the braking zone. He is now required to hold that line through the entirety of the braking zone.

When he went to the outside, this left PLENTY of room on the inside. There was space.....had he stayed on his braking line of choice. But he saw him go for the inside line and he decided to ILLEGALLY close the door by switching lines. This is moving under braking and illegal.

There is absolutely no reason for a penalty on the passing driver. The only one deserving of a penalty is the guy who moved under braking. But he lost the win which is penalty enough.

The problem with your idea is that not everyone will stop at the chicane from the inside when they have someone ahead of them.
I can guarantee you they will try to go out and re-enter just to hit you.
That's why I make that maneuver of going out in and out.
Anyways, it should be illegal to pass at the chicane.
There is a reason why it is a chicane. You put a set of tires at the outside of that and you will think twice about overtaking.
It's like the chicane at Monaco.

Sorry but that’s just ridiculously silly to think. “Illegal to pass at the chicane” .......lol no.

 

[05XR8]

The problem with your idea is that not everyone will stop at the chicane from the inside when they have someone ahead of them.
I can guarantee you they will try to go out and re-enter just to hit you.
That's why I make that maneuver of going out in and out.
Anyways, it should be illegal to pass at the chicane.
There is a reason why it is a chicane. You put a set of tires at the outside of that and you will think twice about overtaking.
It's like the chicane at Monaco.

That's mainly for cars not cutting the corner and sighting corners. Not to stop passing. You're going on a different subject now.




Anyway, you can see here how two GT4 cars go through the final chicane, in real racing. After that, at 16:00, watch the move into T1. The leader moves and closes the door. Can't do that.

 

[roamingbard13]

In other racing news, haha, I switched over the to the GT-R and have my time down a bit more. I actually ran a 2:29.7xx in a race (on my own in first). I knew I had a 5+ second gap and was just taking it “easy” haha. Wish I could do that during qualifying.

I’m also up over 20000 dr for the first time.

 

[Petroperu]

That's mainly for cars not cutting the corner and sighting corners. Not to stop passing. You're going on a different subject now.




Anyway, you can see here how two GT4 cars go through the final chicane, in real racing. After that, at 16:00, watch the move into T1. The leader moves and closes the door. Can't do that.

That inside move from the first video, the driver ahead opens himself and by the time he realizes, the car behind is already at his side.
There was zero contact.
What you did was basically take him out of his line just to get yourself in and committing an overtake violation.

 

[Granadier]

Where was he supposed to go? The guy in front started on the inside, moved to the outside to brake and then cut right to the middle in the braking zone. That’s not how that corner is taken, the outside line is held all the way along the curb and you turn much later. That guy moved right into the middle
Of the road for near the entire braking zone, it was a clear attempt to block a pass.

Yep, the first move was the defense but once braking started he had no right to the corner anymore.

 

[Deadpool]

That inside move from the first video, the driver ahead opens himself and by the time he realizes, the car behind is already at his side.
There was zero contact.
What you did was basically take him out of his line just to get yourself in and committing an overtake violation.

Sorry. But no. You are blind.

He did nothing of the sort. The other driver did a childish blocking attempt in the braking zone. He took himself out of his own line. He chose the outside line leaving the inside open, then he tried to push him off track and taking up all lines to block. THIS IS ILLEGAL.

He chose to cause contact in a failed blocking attempt, just like the other video posted.

 

[Petroperu]

Sorry. But no. You are blind.

I saw the first overtake not the second one.
The second one resembles what you did but on the first turn.
Still a dirty move.
This would work if the one who does the dirty overtake accepts the SR penalty but most of the time, it is the one who gets hit that gets the SR down.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I feel a little dirty after this race. Was I wrong, did I close too much on the final turn or was it an ok move?