"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Granadier]

Overtaking on Suzuka is hard. There aren't many spots on the course where you can pull of clean overtakes, so you spend a frustrating amount of time sitting behind other cars. Coupled with the dirty air, fuel and tyres, things can get tedious. There were many occasions where I got close the back of a car, but simply couldn't draw alongside. Maybe the Evo Group 3 just lacks straight line speed. Yet despite that, I made up 9 positions from 15th on the grid. Most of the overtakes came off the back of other people's mistakes.

Lol, yeah the Mistu is one of the slowest dogs in a straight line that Gr.3 has to offer.

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Matchmaking rant: Went for a couple of Race C’s tonight. 2:01.3 quali time. First race started p9 with a door of 9. Nice job mm. Go up 4 places mostly because of other driver errors and finish p5. Gained 500 DR. Next race it puts me at p10 with a door of 3??? Finish 9th. Lose 200 DR.

Their algos for matchmaking suck. SR is king for matching with DR acting only as a runner up, and yet quali time is really the only thing that matters. Matchmaking should be taking quali times into account to get more even fields.

 

[Johnnyboy532]

I haven't raced all week, just some hot laps in qualifying. In race B and C, I thought my Pace was so far off the top 10 leaderboard I would get run out. I checked and I'm 800ish on both atm in America. I'm really surprised I was that high, my laps feel so slow. I have a 1:46.6 in B and 2:02.1 at Suzuka. After work I'm going to run some races tomorrow. I'm just trying to step up my driving another level. I want to really give the FIA and manufactures series a run.

 

[Redneckchef]

Looking to run again tonight even knowing I am likely to get smashed. Any opinions on if Race A or B has been cleaner? Or is it still just a total lottery?

 

[The_Tullster]

Lol, yeah the Mistu is one of the slowest dogs in a straight line that Gr.3 has to offer.

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Matchmaking rant: Went for a couple of Race C’s tonight. 2:01.3 quali time. First race started p9 with a door of 9. Nice job mm. Go up 4 places mostly because of other driver errors and finish p5. Gained 500 DR. Next race it puts me at p10 with a door of 3??? Finish 9th. Lose 200 DR.

Their algos for matchmaking suck. SR is king for matching with DR acting only as a runner up, and yet quali time is really the only thing that matters. Matchmaking should be taking quali times into account to get more even fields.

Match making is working (mostly) for me. I'm finding myself in much more closely matched fields.
The cherry on top, 3rd win ever today, making two consecutive wins. Started P2 and the lead driver missed a gear change letting me get in front before the first chicane.
Held it until the final turn on L3 where he caught up and passed. I took back the place at the first chicane but lost it again coz' he got a better exit. After a series of minor unforced errors by both of us, I got the better line through the chicane of death which allowed me a clean pass at the final turn to take 1st by less than a car length.

I'm beginning to master spotting and taking advantage of passing opportunities I think. This is beginning to show in my results, because my times are not getting much quicker.

 

[05XR8]

Looking to run again tonight even knowing I am likely to get smashed. Any opinions on if Race A or B has been cleaner? Or is it still just a total lottery?

In my one race at A, that was way cleaner than races I've had at B(exception being my win with my alt account).

 

[Invisigoth]

Match making is working (mostly) for me. I'm finding myself in much more closely matched fields..

I think our luck with match fixing depends on the time of day and your DR. I noticed you were demoted to DR/C. There is a pretty decent pool of DR/C and B, so your chances are pretty good at getting reasonable match ups. DR/D, a lot depends on which race you enter. Race B is where most hang out, with quite a few giving race A a go. Race C tends to be dominated by higher driver ratings. Numbers also tend to be down with tracks like Nord, or Gr1, SF or F1. I haven't given Suzuka a go yet this week, but tonight I will, and I'm pretty confident there won't be a lot of DR/Ds on my grid.

 

[Deadpool]

Jumped on race A ‍HAHAHAHAHAHAHA WOW
Straight up destruction derby. I retaliated and messed up my SR. Worth it. Such a joke. Bring back penalties or go full damage otherwise daily’s are effectively pointless.

 

[Redneckchef]

Just had a race on A. Dirty, but nothing like race B. Did get a group try to go 4 wide through the left at the top of the hill though. Would have been funny if I hadn't been sandwiched in the middle, but did make it through.

 

[Deadpool]

Went back into A knowing what I was dealing with. This tard decides to try and brake check and then slam me into the wall on the front straight.......only I saw it coming. He hit the brakes and I flew right past and got to enjoy watching hit spin off the wall in my mirror lol.

Jumping in for a 4th I’m a glutton for revenge. Nothing better than beating them by 20sec after they try hitting you.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

. I retaliated and messed up my SR

Are you sure? Almost impossible to get SR down now.

 

[Deadpool]

Are you sure? Almost impossible to get SR down now.

Dropped from S to A for a race. I retaliated hard. What’s absurd is I get the penalty but straight up ramming me without using his brakes....no penalty. What a joke.

 

[The_Tullster]

Are you sure? Almost impossible to get SR down now.

I lost 4 SR points yesterday while attempting to highlight the importance of a clean pass....twice for the same driver
I've also seen it happen to another driver. It only seems to happen when you side swipe another car hard enough to force them off track while in a corner.

 

[Redneckchef]

I have to give up tonight. Decided to go evil, but only after someone punted me. This carries over to next races as well. Just got ugly. 2 podiums wiped out by one horrible race where I almost finished last after getting punted turn 1, turn 2, and the hard right at the bottom of the hill. All in lap 1. These people have no business even attempting to claim SR S but here they are.

I can't take any more. Back to practicing qualifying.

Edit, I meant I will only work on punting someone if they punt me or try to run me off first.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I started a race yesterday and was p6 on last lap when a guy punted me off in last turn, hard and very deliberately.
I asked him in post chat "why?" And he said "I got you back". Turns out I was pushed into him in the previous race.

This means that I am even more cautious now before I retaliate. I won't carry over anything unless the replay makes it obvious AND the behaviour continues in the next race.
That being said I did punt a guy off yesterday, he was P2 on start, I was p5 but came up. I saw him punt off every driver that came close and when I came up behind him he started to block. Then he ran off and I passed. He punted me off and then tried to ram me when he was ghosted.
So last lap, last turn when he wanted to block again I pushed him out of track, passed him and got P2. No remorse.

 

[Redneckchef]

I started a race yesterday and was p6 on last lap when a guy punted me off in last turn, hard and very deliberately.
I asked him in post chat "why?" And he said "I got you back". Turns out I was pushed into him in the previous race.

This means that I am even more cautious now before I retaliate. I won't carry over anything unless the replay makes it obvious AND the behaviour continues in the next race.
That being said I did punt a guy off yesterday, he was P2 on start, I was p5 but came up. I saw him punt off every driver that came close and when I came up behind him he started to block. Then he ran off and I passed. He punted me off and then tried to ram me when he was ghosted.
So last lap, last turn when he wanted to block again I pushed him out of track, passed him and got P2. No remorse.

Yeah, I have been cautious with it, but still struggling. I don't think dirty like that and it sucks because I cost myself a spot trying to punt someone who got me twice. Didn't hit the, right and they slid but stayed on track, I slid off. I am not built for revenge but I was having to do something after the way the races are going. The real problem is that the people I keep getting matched with all have SR charts that look like a child trying to color in the block. They still think this is normal and it doesn't seem to faze them.

It is becoming rare that I see someone I know is a clean racer and get to race them. Too often we are bashed about all over the place. I only have a couple more days racing until I am off without a ps4 for a month. Sucks that these types are going to be the last races I have for a while.

On the plus side my qualifying times are improving since I am avoiding racing for a bit. Might do some more goat simulator too.

 

[The_Tullster]

I started a race yesterday and was p6 on last lap when a guy punted me off in last turn, hard and very deliberately.
I asked him in post chat "why?" And he said "I got you back". Turns out I was pushed into him in the previous race.

This means that I am even more cautious now before I retaliate. I won't carry over anything unless the replay makes it obvious AND the behaviour continues in the next race.
That being said I did punt a guy off yesterday, he was P2 on start, I was p5 but came up. I saw him punt off every driver that came close and when I came up behind him he started to block. Then he ran off and I passed. He punted me off and then tried to ram me when he was ghosted.
So last lap, last turn when he wanted to block again I pushed him out of track, passed him and got P2. No remorse.

I also am cautious about apportioning blame on little evidence, however just ran a race where I was P2 at the end of lap 1 and got a good run out of the last turn. P1 repeatedly tried to put me into the right hand wall once I pulled alongside, no other cars within a second. He didn't make it through T2. Further on in the race I again pulled a clean pass on the same driver coming down the hill to the tight right before the CoD. I held line a full car width off the left kerb into the braking area but he dropped in behind to punt again, taking himself out in the process. I got away ahead of him and again at the last turn he punted again.
In the long run he beat me, but only scored 5th. The saddest part is that with all the argie bargie that was definitely not sporting racing, I came out blue S and with a (small) DR gain. I will however happily ruin my race to prevent someone gaining position at the expense of other drivers' enjoyment. Replay confirmed my initial suspicions and showed the culprit was guilty of several barge passes on other drivers as well.

Edit: In hindsight, I should have just pit-manouvered him when he first started trying to put me in the wall.

 

[ringkurier]

Had two more races at the Dragontail.

Don´t know what to say, if you love a decent physic with very high quality car models, this game is a awesome demo version of Wreckfest 2.

Improved my qualifying time and started two times at P6. Ended one race as 6th and the other as 12th in the B / S lobby. One thing is for sure, my car is a excellent brake for other players, no more words needed for that.

I tried the Lexus RC F yesterday.

While it´s in my eyes the big battleship of the Group 4 Cars, it´s overall fire power is excellent. Very stable, lot´s of power and thanks to the NA V8 without any torque suprises in terms of traction. (and I fell in love with my Barbie livery).

I will today buy finally the Huaracan and try how well it is usable, but I fear nothing too good compared to the Jag and the Lexus.

 

[Illum_Concept]

It is becoming rare that I see someone I know is a clean racer and get to race them.

Too late for that. I tried Sardegna again last night and it was the expected carnage. Worse though, I came across a few players I've faced in the past who were clean, but they've now gone rogue too. And who can blame them, really, when the game seems to tacitly encourage this style of dirty driving?

Edited, to shift the blame from PD to "the game". I'm sure PD don't want a destruction derby, IMHO they are simply struggling to deal with the desires of such a broad spectrum of players in one online environment.

 

[Tea_Leaves]

It can't be good for the longterm health of the game. This page alone is mostly talk of retaliation and races devolving into wreckfests. Before there was a certain level of expectation and trust at SR S and that disappears if you muddy its waters by opening doors to people who consistently raced at low SRs. It can also be a contamination to those who race clean if they see others get away with driving dirty.

I think we need penalties back.

 

[ringkurier]

It can't be good for the longterm health of the game. This page alone is mostly talk of retaliation and races devolving into wreckfests. Before there was a certain level of expectation and trust at SR S and that disappears if you muddy its waters by opening doors to people who consistently raced at low SRs. It can also be a contamination to those who race clean if they see others get away with driving dirty.

I think we need penalties back.

That is the correct summary of this thread in the last days my good sir.

 

[NoStopN]

I haven't raced all week, just some hot laps in qualifying. In race B and C, I thought my Pace was so far off the top 10 leaderboard I would get run out. I checked and I'm 800ish on both atm in America. I'm really surprised I was that high, my laps feel so slow. I have a 1:46.6 in B and 2:02.1 at Suzuka. After work I'm going to run some races tomorrow. I'm just trying to step up my driving another level. I want to really give the FIA and manufactures series a run.

Well, now I know where I stand. Those are about the same times I run.

Looking to run again tonight even knowing I am likely to get smashed. Any opinions on if Race A or B has been cleaner? Or is it still just a total lottery?

If you haven't already found out, it's getting more aggressive every day. We might have to live by the mantra "race early". Early in the week & just take the rest of the week off. The die has been cast. The word is out about race B being dirty & everybody is going on the offensive.

Dropped from S to A for a race. I retaliated hard. What’s absurd is I get the penalty but straight up ramming me without using his brakes....no penalty. What a joke.

Sounds like the game thinks you brake checked the guy. You know you can't do that in a braking zone before a corner.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Well, then I will tell a different story. I had a race where I as always run cautious up to the esses, to get the line sorted and the tires warm. In the Larini hairpin a WRX came sweeping up to p3 (I was p4) and I tagged along. We made it to P2 and 3 and swapped places several times in each lap, not by fighting but by getting different run outs and slipstream. It ended with me as P2 and him as p3 by .03
Just an awesome race where you could trust your opponent and run double wide through corners.
All shaky hands afterwards so the next race I bottled the COD. Made my way up to p9, and there where nothing dirty going on getting there.
That restore my faith some.

 

[The_Tullster]

Well, then I will tell a different story. I had a race where I as always run cautious up to the esses, to get the line sorted and the tires warm. In the Larini hairpin a WRX came sweeping up to p3 (I was p4) and I tagged along. We made it to P2 and 3 and swapped places several times in each lap, not by fighting but by getting different run outs and slipstream. It ended with me as P2 and him as p3 by .03
Just an awesome race where you could trust your opponent and run double wide through corners.
All shaky hands afterwards so the next race I bottled the COD. Made my way up to p9, and there where nothing dirty going on getting there.
That restore my faith some.

While I have told a horror story, I also have had as many delightful races as I've had terrible. This week I've had my second and third ever wins in sport mode, both at DTS in DR-C lobbies with CRB and in one of them two laps of hard fought but clean place swapping. The horror stories have happened in the same lobbies, so there's still good out there.
Even the horror races it wasn't whole race, it was just the driver I happened to be racing against in that part of the field. On running the replays it was obvious that most of the field were racing good, honest races and any incidents were mostly down to the driver skill level rather than the driver rage level.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

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While I have told a horror story, I also have had as many delightful races as I've had terrible. This week I've had my second and third ever wins in sport mode, both at DTS in DR-C lobbies with CRB and in one of them two laps of hard fought but clean place swapping. The horror stories have happened in the same lobbies, so there's still good out there.
Even the horror races it wasn't whole race, it was just the driver I happened to be racing against in that part of the field. On running the replays it was obvious that most of the field were racing good, honest races and any incidents were mostly down to the driver skill level rather than the driver rage level.

Is is very important! I do believe that even though there now are more dirty drivers in SR 99 than ever before there is also more clean drivers. People who now dare to fight harder, drive closer and race more. I have had more great races than ever before after this latest penalty system. I am guilty of telling the horror story,and not so much the other part. I have increased my DR All week, while maintaining my SR.

 

[The_Tullster]

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Is is very important! I do believe that even though there now are more dirty drivers in SR 99 than ever before there is also more clean drivers. People who now dare to fight harder, drive closer and race more. I have had more great races than ever before after this latest penalty system. I am guilty of telling the horror story,and not so much the other part. I have increased my DR All week, while maintaining my SR.

And to confirm that, just did one from P6 > P3, CRB battling with what is traditionally the arch-nemesis of the Australian GTS driver with no incidents and a three wide approach to the CoD with the right drivers conceding right to line. Haven't watched the replay yet but it was a very good race. (plus 900 and change DR )

Edit: Watched the replay. The backfield.... take some of the most interesting (not talented) gungho drivers from the Top Gear "star in a reasonably priced car" segment, put them in X-Bows with comfort soft or sports hard tyres and set them loose....
And the number of drivers using D-Pad steering amazes me. No wonder their cornering is a bit erratic.

 

[Illum_Concept]

I have increased my DR All week, while maintaining my SR.

Glad your DR hasn't suffered. Mine is pretty flat. Every race for me is like a lottery now, so I'm scoring well when rival A/A+ drivers get punted to the back, but losing big when it's my turn!

In terms of SR, I think you'd maintain a steady 99 even if you car-jacked the pole sitter on the grid

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Glad your DR hasn't suffered. Mine is pretty flat. Every race for me is like a lottery now, so I'm scoring well when rival A/A+ drivers get punted to the back, but losing big when it's my turn!

In terms of SR, I think you'd maintain a steady 99 even if you car-jacked the pole sitter on the grid

I'm DR C, that's why I gain

And I am glad you can't car-jack the pole, then it would really be GTA.

 

[The_Tullster]

It is still possible to get penalties and I've seen it myself a few times. It always seems to be forcing another car off track at or very close to the apex of a corner. Of the several times I've seen it, the penalty was awarded to the wrong driver only once and that time only because a wall was unusually close to the apex of a turn. Had the wall not been there either there'd have been no penalty or it would have been bestowed upon the other driver.

 

[Ubifabbri]

The new penalty system is awful. In the previous version I got a penalty for hitting a guy who de-ghosted just in front of me after a spin at the exit of a slow corner. Now with the new system people are just ramming others all over the place and nothing happens.
You bump someone while braking and send him in the gravel? Ok, no penalties. You bump on the side someone going by? Ok, no penalties.
In Race A all the guys in the back do not brake at all in the first corner so you get a nice Alfa carnage. Ok, no penalties.

I have always been a clean driver and now I'm at the receiving hand of every kind of dirt driving. And it will get worst since a lot of dirty drivers will see their SR raise (or stay high) so the nice "all SR/S drivers" heaven will be exacly as racing in hell with SR/D maniacs.

Five races yesterday and I got smacked and taken out of contention for a decent finish in every single one.
Just awful.

Nickname: ubifabbri

 

[Voodoovaj]

I want to say that with all the focus on the penalty system (and rightfully so) tire wear has been ignored and, at least in my case, I find it atrociously inconsistent.

Yes, in real life this can happen. I've been at the track, chewed up tires, and then had to sort out why, which means talking to some tire and suspension guru before he gets too many beers in him . But, once sorted, it's pretty much ok a long as you don't make any significant changes.

I tried the GR3 Huracan at Suzuka last night and it is TERRIBLE on tires. The level of wear that the RCZ or Porsche have at the end of the race, is what the Huracan has at lap 7/8, making is a lame duck for the end of the race.

I understand slight variations in wear for things like slides or other sorts of abuse, but wtf???