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4 races, 2x1st 2x2nd. Last race had a A+ in the room who I was pulling in the end but he had a 14sec lead starting on pole. Some fun battles in the back. A few light taps when some guys are pulling bonehead moves like braking mid corner when it’s flat. Dunno if it was a blocking attempt but got by regardless. Def a lot of rubbin goes on in the back/mid field.



Noted! Lol yeah I’ve forgotten about that in the past and got swamped into T1.
the guy in front was me R4M Justin times ;) . Weird matchmaking this morning ? The race after a SR C driver was starting in 3rd right behind me but he fell asleep on the grid i tink loll everyone behind hitted him i pitted just 4 fun on lap 5 and finished whit 17sec lead .
 
4 races, 2x1st 2x2nd. Last race had a A+ in the room who I was pulling in the end but he had a 14sec lead starting on pole. Some fun battles in the back. A few light taps when some guys are pulling bonehead moves like braking mid corner when it’s flat. Dunno if it was a blocking attempt but got by regardless. Def a lot of rubbin goes on in the back/mid field.



Noted! Lol yeah I’ve forgotten about that in the past and got swamped into T1.
To get cars and money fast do circuit experience and if you have Lewis Hamilton Challenge that's a fast way to money
 
4 races, 2x1st 2x2nd. Last race had a A+ in the room who I was pulling in the end but he had a 14sec lead starting on pole. Some fun battles in the back. A few light taps when some guys are pulling bonehead moves like braking mid corner when it’s flat. Dunno if it was a blocking attempt but got by regardless. Def a lot of rubbin goes on in the back/mid field.



Noted! Lol yeah I’ve forgotten about that in the past and got swamped into T1.

Seal clubbing is part of the alt-account experience.
 
I am the same. Thought it was going to be too much to bother with and a pain with the 2 accounts. But it has turned out to be liberating. If there is a combo that looks fun but super risky I can break out the alt. It has also been good after I screwed up and set a QT for race C forgetting the turn 1 punt fest. Practice running from the back on my alt and it has been fantastic for practicing passing. Not that I am that fast, but to get to my usual midfield spot I still have work to so.
With the lack of penalties I think it is going to be some Tesla fun now as I have gotten to the lead several times in that race only to lose it with a BS penalty when p2 slides past on a bad turn or taps me slightly while being close.

What I like is that you can just race how you want to and have fun with ZERO worry about points gained over many months or rating.
Just race if you like the combo.
Just race clean, or dirty. However you like...
I’ll say this doing some of the lower lobby destruction derby can be real fun and great stress relief at times. Also if you go to war in one of those it definitely helps your overall skill set. Driving dirty is a skill.
But having alt opens up the possibilities of more fun.
Racing more with others becomes more fun the better you get at it and more used to it you get.
You can learn something from every race.
 
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Looks like taps from behind can still get you a SR down.
I think "tap" underplays this somewhat.

Oddly, I noticed a lot of carnage in the first few laps - along with a dude planting it in that bit of wall after the second proper corner - but I was the only red S in the lobby, and my only contact was the last corner.

I'm not hugely familiar with how SR is recorded. I assumed it was totting up and added post-race - but this rather looks like the result of not being able to gain SR through all the clean sectors while at SR99, and then stuck for -5 due to the very last corner, while everyone else lost some early on and then gained it in each following sector. Which blows.

@GOTMAXPOWER was in the race too, for some reason despite being A+.
 
My SR was 91 going into the race, if you're too low for the top race they put you against the lower DR's.
That's... interesting, because mine was 99 (emphasis on the "was"), and I thought SR99s get grouped together ahead of any other consideration. Perhaps that's still the case but there's only 12 people online :lol:
 
That's... interesting, because mine was 99 (emphasis on the "was"), and I thought SR99s get grouped together ahead of any other consideration. Perhaps that's still the case but there's only 12 people online :lol:
Not necessarily, you sometimes see races with a handful of A/A+ drivers with SR A then the rest of the grid filled with DR D with a clean SR. I don't think there are many people online because the combo's are not interesting. PD should do their bit to stop the spread of coronavirus by putting on some decent daily races, if we have Super Formula back I'm self-isolating for a week :lol:
 
the guy in front was me R4M Justin times ;) . Weird matchmaking this morning ? The race after a SR C driver was starting in 3rd right behind me but he fell asleep on the grid i tink loll everyone behind hitted him i pitted just 4 fun on lap 5 and finished whit 17sec lead .

Nice quali time!

As soon as I saw your time/A+ I knew I was racing for 2nd from the back. Kinda wish I wasn’t on my alt account that race as we were matching sector times once I got past 2nd. 2nd was just quick enough to make it interesting. My only hope was if you got tangled in first lap shenanigans. Def would have been a fun race if we’d started P1/2, orrrrrr next time we both start last and enjoy some tandem seal clubbing lol.

And yeah sometimes those late night/early AM groups suck. I’ll find maybe one other A or A+ with the rest B/C which can get boring driving by yourself. Nice to have a Alt now to switch to the back for those.


What I like is that you can just race how you want to and have fun with ZERO worry about points gained over many months or rating.
Just race if you like the combo.
Just race clean, or dirty. However you like...
I’ll say this doing some of the lower lobby destruction derby can be real fun and great stress relief at times. Also if you go to war in one of those it definitely helps your overall skill set. Driving dirty is a skill.
But having alt opens up the possibilities of more fun.
Racing more with others becomes more fun the better you get at it and more used to it you get.
You can learn something from every race.

THIS 100% THIS.

It’s a fantastic tool for working on race craft and working through traffic/chaos. I backed off for T1, watched where I everyone was going, looked for a opening and jumped 5-8 spots right away. Then it was working on different lines to get past or psyching people out and getting them to compromise their own lines.

I’m trying to keep my seal clubbing as clean as possible. But there will be bumps here and there when you have a 10-20sec quali time difference.
 
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But there will be bumps here and there when you have a 10-20sec quali time difference
Then qualify! What gives you, and any other A driver, the right to mess up lower ranks race just for your own entertainment??
I don't mind people racing from the back but if they can't pass clean then they should not pass!!
Not only do you destroy people's race you also are a part of the problem with dirty driving because you show the lower ranks that it's OK to behave like that to pass.

Shame on you guys that does this!
 
Then qualify! What gives you, and any other A driver, the right to mess up lower ranks race just for your own entertainment??
I don't mind people racing from the back but if they can't pass clean then they should not pass!!
Not only do you destroy people's race you also are a part of the problem with dirty driving because you show the lower ranks that it's OK to behave like that to pass.

Shame on you guys that does this!

I think you misunderstood and jumped to conclusions regarding “bumps”. I’m talking about light little taps from guys braking in areas that require no braking or when guys are sliding all over the track and have zero control of their car. In those scenarios light contact is almost inevitable.

Last night I had 1 small bump, didn’t knock him off track etc, he stayed ahead, but he slammed on his brake in the middle of a turn that’s flat out. That’s a bonehead move on his part and I did my best to minimize it.

There’s also the idiots bumping me into people. Hence the inevitable rubbing. And honestly......guys who are 20+ seconds off the pace of the room should not be grouped into that room. It creates chaos. There’s a reason actual racing won’t let drivers/teams that are too slow race.

Then there’s the simple matter where most of these guys are oblivious to race etiquette or spatial awareness. Side by side and they try to force you off track by closing the door......just bonehead stuff. I’ll do my best to try and minimize it and assume you’ll do something dumb, but there’s only so much I can do. If a guys going to be a moron then light contact is inevitable.

You need to chill and not jump to conclusions calling me dirty, especially when I’m sure you’ve had your own bumps/rubbing ;)
 
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I think "tap" underplays this somewhat.

Oddly, I noticed a lot of carnage in the first few laps - along with a dude planting it in that bit of wall after the second proper corner - but I was the only red S in the lobby, and my only contact was the last corner.

I'm not hugely familiar with how SR is recorded. I assumed it was totting up and added post-race - but this rather looks like the result of not being able to gain SR through all the clean sectors while at SR99, and then stuck for -5 due to the very last corner, while everyone else lost some early on and then gained it in each following sector. Which blows.

@GOTMAXPOWER was in the race too, for some reason despite being A+.

It's been -10 SR for any contact penalty for a long time. It was only reduced to -5 SR for one week, but right back to -10 SR the week after. SR Downs have been reduced to -2 SR (used to be -3 SR). Any other banging is sometimes -1 SR per contact. (Inconsistent at best)

Race A is only worth 5 SR, thus one 1 sec penalty drops you 5 SR after the race.

I haven't raced with the new system yet though, but it sounds like SR scoring is still the same.

I figured I would try a race but can't connect to the server :banghead: Everything else seems to work fine on psn.
 
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I think you misunderstood and jumped to conclusions regarding “bumps”. I’m talking about light little taps from guys braking in areas that require no braking or when guys are sliding all over the track and have zero control of their car. In those scenarios light contact is almost inevitable.

Last night I had 1 small bump, didn’t knock him off track etc, he stayed ahead, but he slammed on his brake in the middle of a turn that’s flat out. That’s a bonehead move on his part and I did my best to minimize it.

There’s also the idiots bumping me into people. Hence the inevitable rubbing. And honestly......guys who are 20+ seconds off the pace of the room should not be grouped into that room. It creates chaos. There’s a reason actual racing won’t let drivers/teams that are too slow race.

Then there’s the simple matter where most of these guys are oblivious to race etiquette or spatial awareness. Side by side and they try to force you off track by closing the door......just bonehead stuff. I’ll do my best to try and minimize it and assume you’ll do something dumb. But there’s only so much I can do. If a guys going to be a moron then light contact is inevitable.

You need to chill and not jump to conclusions calling me dirty, especially when I’m sure you’ve had your own bumps/rubbing ;)
Of course I have, everyone has. But I do not venture into something where I know I will bump others. If the guy ahead suddenly makes a bonehead move after have been consistent before then it's an accident but if you are following him and he is constantly making what you think is wrong then it's on you. And that's not even an opinion, it's a fact.
I say, sure,run from behind and have fun and yes, it makes you better. But then take it as a learning experience and sacrifice a few spots for a safe pass.

And I don't need to chill. When you tell me to chill inspite of me being rather relaxed you diminish my post as if it's just me being annoyed and you refuse to take responsibility for your actions.
If you instead read my post again and realize, or contemple that I might be right you get a chance to grow.

Edit: before your edit it was not the guy that was 20 seconds to slow, it was you who was too fast. If you are at the same pace as the room then there is no reason to run from the back.
 
Of course I have, everyone has. But I do not venture into something where I know I will bump others. If the guy ahead suddenly makes a bonehead move after have been consistent before then it's an accident but if you are following him and he is constantly making what you think is wrong then it's on you. And that's not even an opinion, it's a fact.
I say, sure,run from behind and have fun and yes, it makes you better. But then take it as a learning experience and sacrifice a few spots for a safe pass.

Again......you completely missed what I said and jumped to extreme conclusions. If I had replays you would see there was no contact to write home about, and nothing even remotely dirty. Quit making assumptions, especially since your comments are not based on replays but rather your imagination run wild.

I take my time with passing and tend to just apply pressure until they crack, which is easy, I don't need to push my way through.

Regarding bonehead moves, slamming the brakes on in a flat out corner is not legal in racing. Which is why I questioned if this was a poor attempt at illegal blocking. But either way, it was a tiny tap and nobody gained or lost. So why are you creating drama over that? The rest of my races, zero contact apart from idiots hitting me, but I positioned myself to minimize the effect it would have. For example in the braking zone I was extra cautious on the first few laps with guys right behind me. I left the door slightly open and took a line that would give me flexibility in case they were the dive bombing sort. A few would dive bomb and bump me, but my anticipation of that kept it to a minor bump and not a race ending shunt.

And I don't need to chill. When you tell me to chill inspite of me being rather relaxed you diminish my post as if it's just me being annoyed and you refuse to take responsibility for your actions.
If you instead read my post again and realize, or contemple that I might be right you get a chance to grow.

Actually yes....yes you do need to chill. Youre the one jumping on me and baselessly calling me dirty. Go check my stats, ask guys who race with me, I go out of my way to avoid contact. But you misinterpreted my post and ran off on a tangent about me being dirty and trying to lecture me. Chill.

Take responsibility for my actions? What actions? Did you watch a replay? No you didn't. You let your imagination run wild and started running your mouth about things you don't know. I'm not the one who needs to go re-read posts, I even went out of my way to clarify but you still have your head in the sand pretending you are "right" when in reality you are not.

Edit: before your edit it was not the guy that was 20 seconds to slow, it was you who was too fast. If you are at the same pace as the room then there is no reason to run from the back.

I'm not at the same pace of the room. If I started on pole I would win by 20-30 seconds with ease (apart from final race which had a A+) so instead I opted for a challenge to work through the field, and still would win by 10+ seconds with ease.

But I'm going to go even further out of my way to prove you wrong. I'll upload the replay with the slight contact I was talking about, and lets see you try and call me dirty.
 
Not necessarily, you sometimes see races with a handful of A/A+ drivers with SR A then the rest of the grid filled with DR D with a clean SR. I don't think there are many people online because the combo's are not interesting. PD should do their bit to stop the spread of coronavirus by putting on some decent daily races, if we have Super Formula back I'm self-isolating for a week :lol:


You wouldn’t happen to know a Canadian who goes by GOTNOBRAKES would you?
 
Again......you completely missed what I said and jumped to extreme conclusions. If I had replays you would see there was no contact to write home about, and nothing even remotely dirty. Quit making assumptions, especially since your comments are not based on replays but rather your imagination run wild.

I take my time with passing and tend to just apply pressure until they crack, which is easy, I don't need to push my way through.

Regarding bonehead moves, slamming the brakes on in a flat out corner is not legal in racing. Which is why I questioned if this was a poor attempt at illegal blocking. But either way, it was a tiny tap and nobody gained or lost. So why are you creating drama over that? The rest of my races, zero contact apart from idiots hitting me, but I positioned myself to minimize the effect it would have. For example in the braking zone I was extra cautious on the first few laps with guys right behind me. I left the door slightly open and took a line that would give me flexibility in case they were the dive bombing sort. A few would dive bomb and bump me, but my anticipation of that kept it to a minor bump and not a race ending shunt.



Actually yes....yes you do need to chill. Youre the one jumping on me and baselessly calling me dirty. Go check my stats, ask guys who race with me, I go out of my way to avoid contact. But you misinterpreted my post and ran off on a tangent about me being dirty and trying to lecture me. Chill.

Take responsibility for my actions? What actions? Did you watch a replay? No you didn't. You let your imagination run wild and started running your mouth about things you don't know. I'm not the one who needs to go re-read posts, I even went out of my way to clarify but you still have your head in the sand pretending you are "right" when in reality you are not.



I'm not at the same pace of the room. If I started on pole I would win by 20-30 seconds with ease (apart from final race which had a A+) so instead I opted for a challenge to work through the field, and still would win by 10+ seconds with ease.

But I'm going to go even further out of my way to prove you wrong. I'll upload the replay with the slight contact I was talking about, and lets see you try and call me dirty.

Well. From the beginning you where making a general statement about when you races from the back and there where a 20 second difference in pace there where bound to be contact.

That's the attitude I was talking about, not a specific incident, as you try and make it look like.
The thinking that you, and a lot of other better drivers are somehow allowed to do what they want.
I am not talking about a single incident, I am not calling you dirty,you did that all by yourself.
 
Well. From the beginning you where making a general statement about when you races from the back and there where a 20 second difference in pace there where bound to be contact.

That's the attitude I was talking about, not a specific incident, as you try and make it look like.
The thinking that you, and a lot of other better drivers are somehow allowed to do what they want.
I am not talking about a single incident, I am not calling you dirty,you did that all by yourself.

See that's the problem, you assumed the worst and ran off on a lecturing tangent with incomplete data. And you ARE STILL DOING IT. I even clarified that the contact with the guys 20sec slower is when they spin and cause chaos. Lap 1 is full of this in the lower levels, were trying to thread our way through it but guys are bouncing around like pinballs. That's the part that's inevitable, and we have to try and minimize that and not just fly into T1 on lap 1. Look at how I took T1 very casually, I had no interest in jumping into chaos.

Really? I called myself dirty? You need to work on your reading comprehension skills because they are sorely lacking. Here's the replay, show me where I was "dirty". The light contact I was talking about is at 2:15 when he messed up. Or at 1:37 as the guy bumps my side on entry, not my fault. That's the kind of light rubbing I was talking about, but you ran wild with your imagination to the worst possible conclusion. In your mind I'm ramming my way through slower traffic and pushing people wide. When if you actually relaxed and listened you would see your imaginary scenario couldn't be further from reality. Now with video proof.

Or how about around 6:26 coming into T1 I let off and coast rather than go for a aggressive move. Then in T2-4 I leave him ample room knowing he is very close to my bumper and might take the inside. I don't shut the door. I compromise my own speed to keep it clean. You can see this multiple times in the video where I leave room at the cost of my own speed.

You’re even being hypocritical. Acknowledging that even you make mistakes and have slight bumps because you’re human. But if I have a tiny mistake that doesn’t have any effect on the race......I’m a dirty driver. How do you not see the hypocrisy.

Like I said before, you need to chill and stop jumping to conclusions. I'll accept that apology now.

 
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And honestly......guys who are 20+ seconds off the pace of the room should not be grouped into that room. It creates chaos.
And honestly......guys who are 20+ seconds off the pace of the room should not be grouped into that room. It creates chaos.

You need to work on your reading comprehension skills because they are sorely lacking.

I'll accept that apology now.

This is what I read. I am calm and collected, while stating my opinion.

I still stand by what I wrote, as I read that as a general statement.
If you wrote it above a specific incident it's something I can't judge without a clip.
Now, if you believe there is something wrong with my reading comprehension, that is not my problem. And I have written nothing that I need to apologize for. I still think that what I wrote is a legitimate problem. If you feel it's not concerning you, that is up to you.
I am not sure if I am to read your following post as an explanation or a clean up action.
No matter what, I do not feel I have to apologize.
But I will not write anything more about this. I made my point about a general attitude from many of the people racing from behind, not all. You choose which camp you are in.
 
See that's the problem, you assumed the worst and ran off on a lecturing tangent with incomplete data. And you ARE STILL DOING IT. I even clarified that the contact with the guys 20sec slower is when they spin and cause chaos. Lap 1 is full of this in the lower levels, were trying to thread our way through it but guys are bouncing around like pinballs. That's the part that's inevitable, and we have to try and minimize that and not just fly into T1 on lap 1. Look at how I took T1 very casually, I had no interest in jumping into chaos.

Really? I called myself dirty? You need to work on your reading comprehension skills because they are sorely lacking. Here's the replay, show me where I was "dirty". The light contact I was talking about is at 2:15 when he messed up. Or at 1:37 as the guy bumps my side on entry, not my fault. That's the kind of light rubbing I was talking about, but you ran wild with your imagination to the worst possible conclusion. In your mind I'm ramming my way through slower traffic and pushing people wide. When if you actually relaxed and listened you would see your imaginary scenario couldn't be further from reality. Now with video proof.

Or how about around 6:26 coming into T1 I let off and coast rather than go for a aggressive move. Then in T2-4 I leave him ample room knowing he is very close to my bumper and might take the inside. I don't shut the door. I compromise my own speed to keep it clean. You can see this multiple times in the video where I leave room at the cost of my own speed.

You’re even being hypocritical. Acknowledging that even you make mistakes and have slight bumps because you’re human. But if I have a tiny mistake that doesn’t have any effect on the race......I’m a dirty driver. How do you not see the hypocrisy.

Like I said before, you need to chill and stop jumping to conclusions. I'll accept that apology now.


Nice job! I was down to D/E, but now I'm back to C/S (just) with a handful of races from the back. Just finished P2, twice, where the pole was within a couple tenths of my best. Was only 2.5 seconds behing on the last race. Both had a top 5 within a second of my best, and I had some good battles! The 3rd place finisher put up a good fight in both, but made an error and I got by. Maybe I'll see you sometime later. That would be fun, working traffic, and if we get clear of the pack, draft passing to make time on the leader.:cheers:

Edit: I am extra carefull when I race from the back, because I agree with @RacingGrandpa that when doing this, it's not right to upset anyone elses race. From watching @Deadpool 's clip, I would say he feels the same. I think it helps my racing, but also the racing of all the guys I pass, especially if they keep me in sight for a bit. I know when someone passes me thats faster, I learn as I try to hang on. For me, that's the best way to get up to speed!
 
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This is what I read. I am calm and collected, while stating my opinion.

I still stand by what I wrote, as I read that as a general statement.
If you wrote it above a specific incident it's something I can't judge without a clip.
Now, if you believe there is something wrong with my reading comprehension, that is not my problem. And I have written nothing that I need to apologize for. I still think that what I wrote is a legitimate problem. If you feel it's not concerning you, that is up to you.
I am not sure if I am to read your following post as an explanation or a clean up action.
No matter what, I do not feel I have to apologize.
But I will not write anything more about this. I made my point about a general attitude from many of the people racing from behind, not all. You choose which camp you are in.

There isn't enough facepalm for this.

Then qualify! What gives you, and any other A driver, the right to mess up lower ranks race just for your own entertainment??
I don't mind people racing from the back but if they can't pass clean then they should not pass!!
Not only do you destroy people's race you also are a part of the problem with dirty driving because you show the lower ranks that it's OK to behave like that to pass.

Shame on you guys that does this!

This is anything but calm and collected. You jump straight to baseless accusations based on your interpretation of "bumps here and there". Your assumption was that I'm barging through people and you proceeded to get into a hissy fit scolding me for being a dirty driver.

You were wrong. Own your mistake.


If you wrote it above a specific incident it's something I can't judge without a clip.

And yet the very very first thing you did was JUDGE without a clip. Do you even read what you write? No, reading comprehension very much is your problem because you keep getting it wrong.

What you wrote may be a legitimate problem with OTHER drivers who are actually dirty. But you chose to direct it at me specifically, and thats where you were wrong. And the post with the replay was anything but clean up action lol. It was to show how wrong you were and to show how you were wrong to jump to conclusions. The video completely dismantled your labeling of me being dirty.

Still want to call me dirty with ZERO evidence to support your claim?

Ok fine..... guess you're a dirty driver. I've got nothing to support that, just like you have nothing to support your position that I'm a dirty driver.
 
There isn't enough facepalm for this.



This is anything but calm and collected. You jump straight to baseless accusations based on your interpretation of "bumps here and there". Your assumption was that I'm barging through people and you proceeded to get into a hissy fit scolding me for being a dirty driver.

You were wrong. Own your mistake.




And yet the very very first thing you did was JUDGE without a clip. Do you even read what you write? No, reading comprehension very much is your problem because you keep getting it wrong.

What you wrote may be a legitimate problem with OTHER drivers who are actually dirty. But you chose to direct it at me specifically, and thats where you were wrong. And the post with the replay was anything but clean up action lol. It was to show how wrong you were and to show how you were wrong to jump to conclusions. The video completely dismantled your labeling of me being dirty.

Still want to call me dirty with ZERO evidence to support your claim?

Ok fine..... guess you're a dirty driver. I've got nothing to support that, just like you have nothing to support your position that I'm a dirty driver.
Redacting your posts so it looks as if you talked about a specific incident does make me look bad, yes.

If you like to call me dirty,then do so. It doesn't matter.
I was, and still is talking about an attitude,not a single incident.

Hissy fit? Well, I wasn't having one when I wrote it. But apparently I was when you read it.
Are we done?
 
So, next dailies are:
Maggiore East N300
Suzuka GR3
Interlagos GR4
I cannot begin to count how many times Suzuka GR3 has appeared in the daily races. Have they forgot about tracks like Spa, or Red Bull Ring, or even the original ones like Kyoto?

EDIT: Ok, actually Spa did appear a few months ago. But there still hasn't been like a GR3 race at Le Mans, or GR2 at the Ring.
 
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So, next dailies are:
Maggiore East N300
Suzuka GR3
Interlagos GR4
I cannot begin to count how many times Suzuka GR3 has appeared in the daily races. Have they forgot about tracks like Spa, or Red Bull Ring, or even the original ones like Kyoto?
Not only those, but there are a number of track that I don't think I've EVER raced at.
 
Redacting your posts so it looks as if you talked about a specific incident does make me look bad, yes.

If you like to call me dirty,then do so. It doesn't matter.
I was, and still is talking about an attitude,not a single incident.

Hissy fit? Well, I wasn't having one when I wrote it. But apparently I was when you read it.
Are we done?

Oh boy here we go again with more assumptions.

Redacting? I never redacted anything. I added to some posts within minutes of posting, or longer for a few where nobody else has posted and I add to it to avoid double posting. Nothing was redacted, you made yourself look bad on your own.

This is the problem, you are quick to jump to assumptions. "AHA!! his post was edited, he must be redacting things to make me look bad!!" seriously?

"I am not calling you dirty,you did that all by yourself." You do realize this is just a cheeky way of calling someone dirty right? Judging with no evidence..... something you said would be wrong to do. You state youre talking about a attitude not a single incident, yet you chose to direct your attacks at me lumping me into the dirty drivers who barge through with what we both agree is a terrible attitude in racing. And your comment that it was just a general statement regarding “attitude” is disingenuous and disproven by your direct attack and continued attack on me personally.

The video simply proved your entire post baseless. If you wish to keep lumping me into that "attitude" category of dirty drivers without watching the video, then you are making yourself look like a fool who judges before viewing the evidence.

Bottomline is you misinterpreted what I meant and proceeded to scold me and call me dirty with zero evidence or context. I provided all the context including a video which proved you were wrong.

Racing in the middle/back, even if you qualified is always going to have light rubbing as drivers are jostling for position. I don't do it, but others are and it inevitably ties the rest of us in with it when they bump us. Thats the rubbing I was discussing and have clarified for you multiple times already. Yet you still miss the point.

With the comment regarding drivers being 20sec off, that’s in a room full of guys within 2sec pace and then you have a few at the back 20+ seconds off. These are the guys that tend to create chaos IMO. Not because they are necessarily dirty, but they tend to be all over the track and out of control. Combine that with a standing start and T1/Lap1 can get interesting. Optimally they would have there own room keeping overall quali time within a few seconds. But not enough people online, so it is what it is.

BTW this was amended not redacted.
 
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