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Sounds like I should just play something else, then. I don’t really know what I’m racing for, in that case. There’s just so many confusing decisions that seem to have been made with GT Sport, like the level system that not only does next to nothing, but it also seems like it’d take about a century to get from my current level (46) to level 50. And for what, a decal?

Hopefully PD can get competent trophy designs for the next game. I don’t even know where to start with how much I have issues with the trophies for GT Sport. On the other hand, maybe I’ll finally get around to playing Ace Combat 7.

Otherwise, if I’m not going to feel like I’m progressing in skill, then I’m just gonna quit, and wait for GT7. Seems like trying to get better at GT Sport is almost a sisphean task. It’d be much more tolerable if the trophies for wins/poles were instead, say, for reaching a certain DR, or beating a qualifying time set by the famous drivers mentioned in those trophies. Trophies shouldn’t depend on a moving goalpost, much less one that can be manipulated with exploits. They should be a baseline for showing the player’s literacy with the game and its mechanics.

“The trophies and in-game achievements for GT Sport are a joke, as if they were designed by naïve game designers who had no idea how to design a challenging but fair task.”

But why do you assume that the trophies are designed for “everyone” to be able to achieve them? The top trophies should be “hard” to get, if everyone/anyone could do it, then what’s the point in even having them?
 
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Daily race C. Got my q time down to a 16.8.... hopeful of a good grid slot, nope.... had me starting P15

The racing has been a tonne of fun though. Nowhere near quick enough to win in such lobbies, but really great racing for the lower places.

Hopefully the aliens will go to sleep at some point and I can start a bit higher up.

I agree, it's been a nice change of pace, and a fun race. Very rhythmic, and aside from the occasional inconsiderate idiot who thinks he's entitled to a free pass no his first appearance in your rearview, before any proper spot to even allow a safe pass without slowing down the guy in front, it's been much less frustrating. It's also really rewarding as a momentum track, to see how much faster you can be... great risk/reward ratio and the cars actually turn better with added throttle, so the faster you go, the faster you can go. Lotta fun actually. Was fastest in the TT, but have raced better in the 86. Alfa is just too twitchy and tends to swing the rear out on entry too much, for my liking on the momentum track.

I'm glad to swing aside at penalty zone if a guy is much faster, it's to my benefit to catch someone in his slipstream, but there are otherwise no real passing zones, so if people would just be patient and not ram you, would be nice. It's also annoying when a guy tries to barrel through you, and you relent (better side of valor) only to have him bounce off the walls in the next three turns, doubly penalizing you as far as time goes (once when you let him by in a less than ideal spot, another when you have to slow to avoid him as he pinballs off the barricade...) ...and then possibly do it all over again when he serves his penalty then fills your mirror again to start the process all over. Other than that, the races have settled out pretty fairly. Trying to learn whether a second stop to utilize more laps on the M would pay off, I think it would, if you didn't get caught up in other's messes in traffic. I've gotten as much as 8 laps out of the M's, though, so it's a tough call.

Managed to achieve my K' target times for all three tracks for the first time this week, will be able to keep moving it up toward the 70 that seems to be rare amongst us part timers.
 
But why do you assume that the trophies are designed for “everyone” to be able to achieve them? The top trophies should be “hard” to get, if everyone/anyone could do it, then what’s the point in even having them?
They should be hard, but not dependent on matchmaking. A solid goalpost can establish a baseline for how much players have become literate with the game. It’s why I’m fine with the “Beat Zico” and “Zone Zeus” trophies in WipEout HD Fury, while detesting the “Bling Brigade” trophy. Mind you, the “Beat Zico” trophy is hardly a cakewalk by any measure - it’s somewhat notorious among players for its difficulty, basically being a time trial where you have to use a certain craft at a certain track. But it’s still preferable in my eyes because it’s ultimately just a matter of beating a time. You only have your own skill (or lack thereof) to blame for shortcomings in reaching this goal, not the machinations of a well-oiled skilled matchmaking algorithm.

I would be content, for example, if the wins/poles trophies were replaced with a trophy where we had to get all-diamonds on the Lewis Hamilton DLC. Or even if the goal was to reach DR A. (I’m still befuddled there weren’t any DLC trophies for the LH DLC, as I recall GT6 having DLC trophies for the Senna content.)
 
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Of course, on the flip side I sometimes get placed into a A/A+ lobby as a backmarker and feel terrible about my life choices.
Here's something I'm not sure about related to lobby selection on daily races. What takes priority, driver rating and safety rating, or qualifying lap time? Does qualifying time have ANY bearing on selection, is there an advantage to NOT qualifying so you get put with slower drivers?

When you get dropped into a lobby with much better drivers, end up at the back of the grid, and end up finishing at the back of the grid, does that hurt your driver rating? Or do you only lose driver rating when drivers with a worse rating beat you?

I'd really like to see the math behind selection and rating changes after a race.
 
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Trying to learn whether a second stop to utilize more laps on the M would pay off, I think it would, if you didn't get caught up in other's messes in traffic. I've gotten as much as 8 laps out of the M's, though, so it's a tough call.

I reckon once you get in to a rhythm, the difference between the two tyre compounds may not be big enough to warrant a second stop. Running 7 or 8 laps on the H, switching to the M to the end. But definitely worth trying.
 
They should be hard, but not dependent on matchmaking. A solid goalpost can establish a baseline for how much players have become literate with the game. It’s why I’m fine with the “Beat Zico” and “Zone Zeus” trophies in WipEout HD Fury, while detesting the “Bling Brigade” trophy. Mind you, the “Beat Zico” trophy is hardly a cakewalk by any measure - it’s somewhat notorious among players for its difficulty, basically being a time trial where you have to use a certain craft at a certain track. But it’s still preferable in my eyes because it’s ultimately just a matter of beating a time.

I would be content, for example, if the wins/poles trophies were replaced with a trophy where we had to get all-diamonds on the Lewis Hamilton DLC. Or even if the goal was to reach DR A.

We've been here several times before and it seems you'll only be happy if you can achieve the wins/poles trophy without tanking your rank. So, try these:

1. Play very late at night or in the very early hours of the morning. You'll meet lesser talented players, which does bring its own risks but they'll be mostly a bit slower.
2. Start practicing next week's races now. Perfect your pace and strategy. The moment the races change over on Monday jump into them and beat everyone else still getting used to the combos.

Cant help with the level 50 trophy. It is what it is. Grinding a certain GT League race hundreds of times seems to be the only way.

My main account has 30 wins from 844 races, but trophies are of no interest to me. A game should be fun it's own right without arbitrary targets to reach. Just my opinion though.

Good luck :)
 
A good way to save tires on daily race C is to have a softer driving style. Making your braking zones slightly longer and smoother to save the tires. I find driving at 100% on that track is not as rewarding since being on the racing line is more important.
 
Sounds like I should just play something else, then. I don’t really know what I’m racing for, in that case. There’s just so many confusing decisions that seem to have been made with GT Sport, like the level system that not only does next to nothing, but it also seems like it’d take about a century to get from my current level (46) to level 50. And for what, a decal?

Hopefully PD can get competent trophy designs for the next game. I don’t even know where to start with how much I have issues with the trophies for GT Sport. On the other hand, maybe I’ll finally get around to playing Ace Combat 7.

Otherwise, if I’m not going to feel like I’m progressing in skill, then I’m just gonna quit, and wait for GT7. Seems like trying to get better at GT Sport is almost a sisphean task. It’d be much more tolerable if the trophies for wins/poles were instead, say, for reaching a certain DR, or beating a qualifying time set by the famous drivers mentioned in those trophies. Trophies shouldn’t depend on a moving goalpost, much less one that can be manipulated with exploits. They should be a baseline for showing the player’s literacy with the game and its mechanics.

The trophies and in-game achievements for GT Sport are a joke, as if they were designed by naïve game designers who had no idea how to design a challenging but fair task.
Since I see you post fairly often about this, I'll give it a shot.

Trophies aren't an essential part of video games. They aren't a necessary or (arguably) worthwhile part of video games. To some people they are and to some game developers they are, but not all the time. Since GT5 the Gran Turismo series has been filled with weird design choices much more egregious than tasking people to reach a basically arbitrary amount of wins/poles for a secondary achievement that the vast majority of the playerbase will ever see, much less care about. Who could forget the Formula GT championship in GT5, which you unlocked at level 23 but could only buy the one car eligible for it at level 24?

As someone who plays games with trophies in mind, I worked to get the difficult ones out of the way some time ago. I first started playing the game regularly in mid-2018, the same week it changed from daily races to weekly races. Going by my screenshots which I take for every win I got 34 wins in one week driving the Honda Beat around Yamagiwa. I had a lot of poles too. If your enjoyment of Gran Turismo Sport is genuinely diminished by the thought you might not get the trophies, but you still want to play it, do that. Look at the dailies, look for a race coming up which will be both slow and close, and put time in. My qualifying time for that race was 91st in EMEA. Miles better than any other qualifying time I've ever put in. Because I spent the time, knowing I would be able to easily compete for wins and poles.

Slower races like that generally have the added benefit of fewer A and A+ level drivers entering them. Repeating the same race over and over also improves your racecraft as well as your pace, since you can more quickly and easily put into practice the things you learn when you race the same race almost immediately.

Now, if you still want a reason to play GT Sport, nobody here can give you one. Either do if you want to or don't if you don't. I honestly can't even say I play because I enjoy it, I play it because I've done it regularly for nearly two years and am just used to it. But, look at my KP stats in my sig. You'll see a much higher time played than you, and you'll see a DR that's gone through lots of ups and downs. In the early days I didn't really know how best to approach the game. I was worried about getting wins and poles, and when the opportunity came up to get them, as I detailed earlier, I did. I gamed the system for a few of them.

Outside of that, there were things I wanted to do. I wanted to be an A level driver. I thought I was doomed to be DR B forever, but I made it. I went down to B, I went back up to A, then I stayed there. Then we got that glorious week of Gr.3 at St. Croix and because I was so used to the GT-R from the Manufacturer Series, I won a bunch of races at DR A. My DR went up to 40k+. I went into FIA races, and I was competitive. After putting in a lot of time (but still comparatively little compared to the aliens, and not really what I would consider a lot personally), I improved. I'm still terrible, and since I switched to a wheel last December, I'm learning all over again. But I still know I'm better at racing games now than I was when I started playing this.

I've been in 1197 races in Sport Mode and I have 124 wins. 113 daily, 11 FIA. I've had 103 poles, 96 daily, 7 FIA. I've had wins at Suzuka, Fuji, Nordschleife (win #91, no less), Streets of Willow Springs, Interlagos, Brands Hatch Indy, Nurb GP, Tokyo Central Outer, Northern Isle, Blue Moon Bay, BB Raceway, Tokyo East Outer, Tokyo South Outer, Dragon Trail Seaside, Yamagiwa, Miyabi, Suzuka East, Tokyo Central Inner, Tokyo East Inner, Monza, Tsukuba, Seaside reverse, Monza with no chicane, Lago Maggiore Centre, St. Croix B, Sardegna C, Dragon Trail Gardens, Autopolis, Le Mans and Sardegna A. I've had wins (presumably) at DR D, C, B and A. There are lots of resources online to become better at this game. This thread and forum is spectacular, with lots of different people of different abilities discussing races. There are youtubers who are both entertaining and informative, who can teach you directly (Tidgney's Driving School) or passively (Super GT's commentary on his races) and, as hard as it can be to apply that consistently, it works. It must do, since it's made me better.

If you can't separate GT Sport from its PSN trophies after this length of time, I don't know that anything will. I don't imagine PD care especially, and it's probably right to be a bit annoyed at that. There's so much about this game that annoys us all, even now. But if you really want to do them you can, either fairly or unfairly, depending on your perspective. If you try to do them legitimately, you might surprise yourself.

It's also worth pointing out that I happened to notice by chance one of the latest achievers of the platinum for GT Sport just the other day: https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/6806-gran-turismo-sport/1-gran-turismo-platinum-trophy

That's multiple World Tour event participant Lewis Bentley, who by his own admission hasn't taken the game that seriously since he was last at a WT. The GT Sport platinum isn't something that's the sole preserve of the aliens, so if you want it, go for it. It doesn't, and shouldn't, break the game for you.

(this post was written by someone with 130 platinums to their name and ~80 100% PSN games, including Gran Turismo 5 and WipEout HD)
 
A good way to save tires on daily race C is to have a softer driving style. Making your braking zones slightly longer and smoother to save the tires. I find driving at 100% on that track is not as rewarding since being on the racing line is more important.

Totally agree, you don't lose much time at all in a race, to ease out of the throttle and allow some space to the guy in front... you gain some of it back on the faster exit and then use the slipstream to gain more of it back. I also noticed that I'm using less fuel than others, so I assume I'm easing up on my tires as well, in taking this approach. When it's over, you may be the only one without a time penalty red dot showing, and mid-pack for fastest lap, but there you are... on the podium.

My most rewarding laps on this race are the 'quiet' ones... no engine screaming, no tires chirping, no walls being scraped, just a nice hum from the engine that seems to love working in the power band.

I could have stayed out for 9 laps on the Ms with the 86, I only ducked in because I saw the leader do it, I had overcut a guy to get into 2nd, and wanted to keep pace with the leader. But you can definitely get good mileage out of the M's, with only a small compromise on ultimate fast lap speed. (Something the guys banging on your bumper on lap 1 and 2 don't seem to understand...)
 
1. Play very late at night or in the very early hours of the morning. You'll meet lesser talented players, which does bring its own risks but they'll be mostly a bit slower.
Maybe this is my problem. I only race between 10:00pm and 12:00am EST (-5:00). The competition is fierce and I've made it up to 35k but now I'm falling back down. I actually did well avoiding carnage and running alternate tire strategies last week at Monza, but I'm staying clear of Tokyo and running Fuji instead this week. It's not working. Everyone is faster. You need to be in a tail happy volatile MR/RR car to post fast laps...and if anyone touches you when you're carving out those fast final sector corners you get spun and drop 10 places. I've had only 2 races where I was dropped into the top 5 on the grid but that wasn't enough to make up for the half a dozen times I was placed 14th-16th on the grid. Maybe I should go to bed early and race in the morning!
 
Maybe this is my problem. I only race between 10:00pm and 12:00am EST (-5:00). The competition is fierce and I've made it up to 35k but now I'm falling back down. I actually did well avoiding carnage and running alternate tire strategies last week at Monza, but I'm staying clear of Tokyo and running Fuji instead this week. It's not working. Everyone is faster. You need to be in a tail happy volatile MR/RR car to post fast laps...and if anyone touches you when you're carving out those fast final sector corners you get spun and drop 10 places. I've had only 2 races where I was dropped into the top 5 on the grid but that wasn't enough to make up for the half a dozen times I was placed 14th-16th on the grid. Maybe I should go to bed early and race in the morning!

I also recommend racing early in the week. I had a top 100 QT with a 39.6 (is it even in the top 1000 now? ) or something when I raced on Monday morning. Matching making was far kinder to me then than it would be now, lol.
 
Totally agree, you don't lose much time at all in a race, to ease out of the throttle and allow some space to the guy in front... you gain some of it back on the faster exit and then use the slipstream to gain more of it back.

People like to make fun of the AI in this game for parking it on the apex, but I believe they were setup this way on purpose to teach people about racing tactics. You have to get a run to pass cleanly on a straight and what you said is exactly how it’s done.
Imo there’s a lot of good thinking behind many aspects of this game.
If you are being chased by a gutless handling car in a Mustang, BE THE AI :). (Within reason).
 
If you drive with mediums and a player that drives with hard makes a +3 seconds difference per lap with you. what would think?

I think is a hack

If you see in your race report him

Edit: I saw him three times at Tokyo race
 
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What's with the no stoppers in Race C blocking all and sundry behind them?

Don't the realise they've lost that position already, and many many more to boot?

Pit like 90% of the lobby and you may actually finish higher.

No quali for my NA account, started last every race and finished no lower than 5th. You just see the no stoppers tumble down the board.

Numpties!!!!
 
Level 49 is only half way to level 50 afaik.
If you are in GTS for wins then it's probably the wrong game for you.

Maybe it is, but when I imagine the goal of a racing game, it's to win. If this was real motorsport, I think I'd be a laughing stock for almost never winning.
Since I see you post fairly often about this, I'll give it a shot.

Trophies aren't an essential part of video games. They aren't a necessary or (arguably) worthwhile part of video games. To some people they are and to some game developers they are, but not all the time. Since GT5 the Gran Turismo series has been filled with weird design choices much more egregious than tasking people to reach a basically arbitrary amount of wins/poles for a secondary achievement that the vast majority of the playerbase will ever see, much less care about. Who could forget the Formula GT championship in GT5, which you unlocked at level 23 but could only buy the one car eligible for it at level 24?

That just makes things more egregious. PD needs to hire competent game designers. And while trophies aren't essential, they reflect the game's design, and ideally should be a stationary goal showing the player has gained literacy with the game and its mechanics. Having a trophy based on wins, in a game that uses skilled matchmaking, is absolutely preposterous. It'd be better if those trophies were more about beating certain times with certain regulations. Heck, I'd be content if you had to get all diamonds for the Lewis Hamilton DLC rather than get wins/poles.

Now, if you still want a reason to play GT Sport, nobody here can give you one. Either do if you want to or don't if you don't. I honestly can't even say I play because I enjoy it, I play it because I've done it regularly for nearly two years and am just used to it.

Honestly, I feel sort of the same. I almost feel like I play it out of habit and to check out any updates, like new GT League events.

If you can't separate GT Sport from its PSN trophies after this length of time, I don't know that anything will. I don't imagine PD care especially, and it's probably right to be a bit annoyed at that. There's so much about this game that annoys us all, even now. But if you really want to do them you can, either fairly or unfairly, depending on your perspective. If you try to do them legitimately, you might surprise yourself.

It's also worth pointing out that I happened to notice by chance one of the latest achievers of the platinum for GT Sport just the other day: https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/6806-gran-turismo-sport/1-gran-turismo-platinum-trophy

That's multiple World Tour event participant Lewis Bentley, who by his own admission hasn't taken the game that seriously since he was last at a WT. The GT Sport platinum isn't something that's the sole preserve of the aliens, so if you want it, go for it. It doesn't, and shouldn't, break the game for you.

(this post was written by someone with 130 platinums to their name and ~80 100% PSN games, including Gran Turismo 5 and WipEout HD)

Thanks. I'm admittedly too prideful to try manipulating the matchmaking algorithm, but it honestly feels impossible to get wins/poles legitimately. I've only been able to play so much right now because I only have one class right now, and it meets once per week. I can't imagine being able to get those wins/poles when I have an actual career/job and no longer living with my folks, and when I have other games I want to play and other media I want to look into.
 
If you drive with mediums and a player that drives with hard makes a +3 seconds difference per lap with you. what would think?

I think is a hack

If you see in your race report him

Edit: I saw him three times at Tokyo race

Probably just an alien on an alt/new account.





On the other subject, @roamingbard13 was correct, 15 wins, 🤬 trophies, I race because I love to race and I love the competition.

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Basically, if you’re not fast enough to win legitimately, you have to go seal clubbing, it’s literally the only other option.


For the level 50 thing, set up a 24h, 2 car race on SSRX and put the rubber bands on, then walk away and come back to collect your points later.
 
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Maybe this is my problem. I only race between 10:00pm and 12:00am EST (-5:00). The competition is fierce and I've made it up to 35k but now I'm falling back down. I actually did well avoiding carnage and running alternate tire strategies last week at Monza, but I'm staying clear of Tokyo and running Fuji instead this week. It's not working. Everyone is faster. You need to be in a tail happy volatile MR/RR car to post fast laps...and if anyone touches you when you're carving out those fast final sector corners you get spun and drop 10 places. I've had only 2 races where I was dropped into the top 5 on the grid but that wasn't enough to make up for the half a dozen times I was placed 14th-16th on the grid. Maybe I should go to bed early and race in the morning!

I am doing fairly well at Fujii now. Not as fast as many in my races but driving in a different way now. I go all the way to the right on start, brake a little early and hug the curb all through T1.
Thus avoiding the shenanigans.
Then I brake early for the next corner, that gives me better turn-in so I can safely go on curb with my left wheels.
Brake early in the slow left, but go for a late apex that lets you undercut.
Brake early for Chikane, hug the curb in both corners then stay inside for the Lexus corner.
For the last turn stay closer to the right, don't follow the qualifying line. Then power up the straight (I'm in the DBr9, fast on the straight) and hug T1 again. Repeat for all laps.

If you drive with mediums and a player that drives with hard makes a +3 seconds difference per lap with you. what would think?

I think is a hack

If you see in your race report him

Edit: I saw him three times at Tokyo race

I haven't heard of such a hack. If I came across a guy like that I would assume he was faster than me.
But I don't know.
 
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Try playing for clean races, that you can enjoy watching in a replay. Bad races, I'll just exit straight after the race(sometimes I'll post one of someone being dirty). That's what I do. I play for the replays. Been doing that since GT1.
 
That just makes things more egregious. PD needs to hire competent game designers. And while trophies aren't essential, they reflect the game's design, and ideally should be a stationary goal showing the player has gained literacy with the game and its mechanics. Having a trophy based on wins, in a game that uses skilled matchmaking, is absolutely preposterous. It'd be better if those trophies were more about beating certain times with certain regulations. Heck, I'd be content if you had to get all diamonds for the Lewis Hamilton DLC rather than get wins/poles

Yeah man getting a trophy for achieving a real victory reflecting hard work commitment and dedication is a preposterous idea, definitely.
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@Pigems Alien? I don't think so
This guy was hitting everyone on the track
An alien I know brunogavila... Only makes +1 second per lap with equal tires. but the other one with hards and I with mediums...?

@RacingGrandpa I think the hack disables the BoP or something like that

And when the race is finished this guy leaves the room immediately
 
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I'm done for tonight. I started off a Race C with a chuckle as some Swiss guy in a chrome red 86 caused a pile-up at the start, but then I got sucked into a life-sucking into a gang mugging and ended up 5 seconds adrift in 18th. To cap it off, the red rammer got to avoid The Dirge. I got sucked into similar BS in the next race C and decided to just quit and switch to race B, where 10th became 15th thanks to another run-in with a thug and a spin exiting Panasonic to make my evening more miserable than an Irish folk charity album for homelessness.
 
The only thing that ever came close to what he’s describing was the Old ABS Glitch, the one that made your car faster by shimming your brake pedal on slightly.
 
Interesting conversation. Personally, I don't care about trophies or any of the other in game perks. I'm here to race. I get my boost from podiums and wins, from driving well, from good battles and from a good position on the qualifying boards. Not in that order. A clean, fast side by side battle...you know, real racing, is by far the best perk. I've had some battles for 10th that were way better than half of my wins. Next might be finishing high on the boards. Definitely good for the ego. My best week ever had all of these. Tsukuba with the tuned Mazda. I was way up on the boards, was driving well all week, had a bunch of wins and podiums, and some of the best, closest and most fun races ever, including some epic battles with a guy who was #10 qualifier in the region. That is why I bought a PS4, why I race online, and what matters to me in this game. After all, if it's not about the racing, why bother?
 
Yeah, I’m eating on the video evidence myself :)

I’ve got videos of the old glitch on my YouTube somewhere, it was at Maggiore Centre with a Scirocco, I was 1.X seconds faster around LMC with the glitch in the same car.
 
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Since I see you post fairly often about this, I'll give it a shot.

Trophies aren't an essential part of video games. They aren't a necessary or (arguably) worthwhile part of video games. To some people they are and to some game developers they are, but not all the time. Since GT5 the Gran Turismo series has been filled with weird design choices much more egregious than tasking people to reach a basically arbitrary amount of wins/poles for a secondary achievement that the vast majority of the playerbase will ever see, much less care about. Who could forget the Formula GT championship in GT5, which you unlocked at level 23 but could only buy the one car eligible for it at level 24?

As someone who plays games with trophies in mind, I worked to get the difficult ones out of the way some time ago. I first started playing the game regularly in mid-2018, the same week it changed from daily races to weekly races. Going by my screenshots which I take for every win I got 34 wins in one week driving the Honda Beat around Yamagiwa. I had a lot of poles too. If your enjoyment of Gran Turismo Sport is genuinely diminished by the thought you might not get the trophies, but you still want to play it, do that. Look at the dailies, look for a race coming up which will be both slow and close, and put time in. My qualifying time for that race was 91st in EMEA. Miles better than any other qualifying time I've ever put in. Because I spent the time, knowing I would be able to easily compete for wins and poles.

Slower races like that generally have the added benefit of fewer A and A+ level drivers entering them. Repeating the same race over and over also improves your racecraft as well as your pace, since you can more quickly and easily put into practice the things you learn when you race the same race almost immediately.

Now, if you still want a reason to play GT Sport, nobody here can give you one. Either do if you want to or don't if you don't. I honestly can't even say I play because I enjoy it, I play it because I've done it regularly for nearly two years and am just used to it. But, look at my KP stats in my sig. You'll see a much higher time played than you, and you'll see a DR that's gone through lots of ups and downs. In the early days I didn't really know how best to approach the game. I was worried about getting wins and poles, and when the opportunity came up to get them, as I detailed earlier, I did. I gamed the system for a few of them.

Outside of that, there were things I wanted to do. I wanted to be an A level driver. I thought I was doomed to be DR B forever, but I made it. I went down to B, I went back up to A, then I stayed there. Then we got that glorious week of Gr.3 at St. Croix and because I was so used to the GT-R from the Manufacturer Series, I won a bunch of races at DR A. My DR went up to 40k+. I went into FIA races, and I was competitive. After putting in a lot of time (but still comparatively little compared to the aliens, and not really what I would consider a lot personally), I improved. I'm still terrible, and since I switched to a wheel last December, I'm learning all over again. But I still know I'm better at racing games now than I was when I started playing this.

I've been in 1197 races in Sport Mode and I have 124 wins. 113 daily, 11 FIA. I've had 103 poles, 96 daily, 7 FIA. I've had wins at Suzuka, Fuji, Nordschleife (win #91, no less), Streets of Willow Springs, Interlagos, Brands Hatch Indy, Nurb GP, Tokyo Central Outer, Northern Isle, Blue Moon Bay, BB Raceway, Tokyo East Outer, Tokyo South Outer, Dragon Trail Seaside, Yamagiwa, Miyabi, Suzuka East, Tokyo Central Inner, Tokyo East Inner, Monza, Tsukuba, Seaside reverse, Monza with no chicane, Lago Maggiore Centre, St. Croix B, Sardegna C, Dragon Trail Gardens, Autopolis, Le Mans and Sardegna A. I've had wins (presumably) at DR D, C, B and A. There are lots of resources online to become better at this game. This thread and forum is spectacular, with lots of different people of different abilities discussing races. There are youtubers who are both entertaining and informative, who can teach you directly (Tidgney's Driving School) or passively (Super GT's commentary on his races) and, as hard as it can be to apply that consistently, it works. It must do, since it's made me better.

If you can't separate GT Sport from its PSN trophies after this length of time, I don't know that anything will. I don't imagine PD care especially, and it's probably right to be a bit annoyed at that. There's so much about this game that annoys us all, even now. But if you really want to do them you can, either fairly or unfairly, depending on your perspective. If you try to do them legitimately, you might surprise yourself.

It's also worth pointing out that I happened to notice by chance one of the latest achievers of the platinum for GT Sport just the other day: https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/6806-gran-turismo-sport/1-gran-turismo-platinum-trophy

That's multiple World Tour event participant Lewis Bentley, who by his own admission hasn't taken the game that seriously since he was last at a WT. The GT Sport platinum isn't something that's the sole preserve of the aliens, so if you want it, go for it. It doesn't, and shouldn't, break the game for you.

(this post was written by someone with 130 platinums to their name and ~80 100% PSN games, including Gran Turismo 5 and WipEout HD)

Wow, that was a wall of text and I read every word of it! Good job! Cheers, mate! :cheers:
 
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