"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Stotty]

I can't come on here and complain about other drivers when I'm guilty of the same tactics from time to time, so here you go. I saw the battle, I took a slightly slower than normal approach to the apex, but I suppose I was expecting them to remain 2-wide through the entire arc of the turn, I did not expect the under-cut and by the time it played out, I looked like the schmuck ramming him off. I'll sleep fine though, because the driver that got side swiped was the one who caused me to spin out at the beginning of the race.

it was the white car that hit you in turn 1, not the black car that you punted in to oblivion on lap 3.

What on Earth were you trying to do in the final chicane?

 

[kleefton]

Why not? To me it makes more sense than having pit stops that barely take longer than the time it takes to get down there main straight, because from what I'm seeing people are just exploiting that. If there are mandatory pit stops and someone does a two stop strategy, that needs to be an actual risk in time loss compared to a one stop. I see the fastest drivers in my lobbies do it and their time loss is negligible.

There are tracks that pitting actually costs you a lot of time though. Laguna Seca springs to mind, so does Sarthe...
I wish they brought more of the F1 tracks, like Hungaro ring, Silverstone. Both of those take a long time to pit.

But the thing that pisses me off in race C is that when some people come out of the pit they are not mindful of the traffic and position their car on the outside of the track right away, and that typically results in unneccessary crashes, as the ghosting effect is not optimized for that. So please, when you come out, just stay on the inside and allow oncoming traffic to alter their line through turn one. ok thanks bye.

 

[HammyMansell]

What on Earth were you trying to do in the final chicane?

That's called "driving by Braille", isn't it?

 

[Rexracer702]

I think I'm going to need an attitude adjustmrnt if I'm going to race B this week. I'm too nice. Been at 99 since the update'and it looks like it's pretty easy to stay there now. Entered race B, gridded in 2nd with a 43.4, and figured on a good finish. Every time someone got close, they would just barge their way past, knocking me out of the way. Finished 10th. I don't like driving that dirty, and with the handling on this car, using others like a berm is a big advantage. The guy that did it to me first, on T1, ended up finishing 2nd. I saw 2 other guys get next to him before I lost sight, and he basically just ran them off the road. The leader (high 41 pole time) ran away. I suppose I'll try it once more, and if clean doesn't work, then I go into motocross mode, and block passing will move me forward.

 

[Groundfish]

There’s a definite uptick lately in people sending post race messages.
Come on people, let the driving do the talking. Whining only makes things worse.
Let your car do the talking, leave people alone. No one wants to listen to that sniveling.

 

[HammyMansell]

No one wants to listen to that sniveling.

 

[SmallSoldier]

After a few more races in Kyoto, managed to make it to A-Level!!! Now, the conundrum for me is whether to keep playing and chance going back to B or keep at it, lol... I guess no more races for today, already did a few and I’m toast (last race, was comfortably in 3rd, but 4th was catching up quickly because of a couple of small mistakes, second to last corner the pressure won and ended up messing the exit and giving 3rd position away...)

 

[golfer07840]

I agree, it should take longer. But not nearly as long time as it would in real world. No one would pit on a 8 lap race anyway.

I don't remember which track or the fuel multiplier, but I figured out that the R8 LMS was only getting 2 miles per gallon. Lol Which, is totally wrong in reality.
So you're correct, nobody is putting in an 8 lap race.

I've been running hards for 5 laps, and then mediums for 3 - seems to work OK, went from 11th to 6th, and then 11th to 3rd today. So funny seeing cars coming up behind me flashing their lights, and then starting to drop back as their tyres go off!

Even two-stoppers seem to struggle a bit on the last lap (especially the Beetle, for some reason).

The Beetle is a tire heater, so is the GTR. R8 and Porsche seem to be much better.

I wonder if Tweeting at Michelin about the **** tire life in GTSport would get them to stop doing these ridiculous 15x tire wear races?

I'm fine with pitting in race C, nice to have strategies. But with the multiplier that high, in the GTR, I was pitting every 2 Laps

I knew it.

Always blame the better half.

 

[The_Tullster]

I think that track is the worst in the game for DS4 users if tyre wear is on. I think it's because you can't get an accurate enough steering input, there's something in the game that makes an adjustment for steering input vs steering angle vs speed or similar to make the DS4 work. The same stick position gives a different steering wheel angle depending on speed. In my hands, that means I just scrub the **** out of the front tyre in those long high speed bends, constantly running a fraction more steering than I need to but I can't "feel" the grip so you're just fractionally overdriving the car. I try to back the stick off just a touch to minimise it but the risk with that is that you go around the corner in a jerky motion rather than a smooth arc, which is slower and probably does more harm to the tyre. Drive it clumsily and you'll burn off a medium front tyre in a lap. I'll do a respectable quali lap and then get destroyed in the race because I've got more tyre wear and the drop off in pace is savage. If you drop the pace to try to contain it, it's not competitive. If you're running in quicker lobbies you're screwed. There are very few DS4 users I am aware of who can make it work and what the difference in technique is, I don't know. Your pace, especially in races, is always quicker than mine, so your technique is better. That means my tyre wear issue is worse than yours and I'd be running nearer the back in similar lobbies at A+. **** that!

DS4 responds better if you can ease in the steering gradually. It means adjusting your turn in points to compensate and may also require a modification to your trail braking on some turns. It'll never be as good as a wheel user can achieve, but with the technique done right tyre wear is much better.

Edit - it also requires that you're using the mini-stick to steer, not the d-pad.

 

[Rangeraus]

Is PSN having issues?

Just got disconnected from race C and lost 2600 DR in one hit, not happy

 

[Carrera1963]

Now I seem stuck down in SR B land... 1 race, rammed 3 times and got 3 SR downs, lost 27 SR in the single race! That’s put me in SR C! FFS

 

[MrGinjaNinja]

1st track transition, I brake just after the tree shadows, 2nd bush on the left,trail brake in and keep right, it's the next left where I gain time over people, no brake feather throttle and nail it just before apex.
Next transition, my brake point is 1/2 way on the yellow paint, trail brake to last right apex, once again its the drive out through the next left that's gaining me time.
In race I try & cover inside to deter any opportunistic moves.
Hope that helps

Thanks! I'll give these a shot today.

 

[roamingbard13]

Now I seem stuck down in SR B land... 1 race, rammed 3 times and got 3 SR downs, lost 27 SR in the single race! That’s put me in SR C! FFS

If you haven't set a QT for Race C yet, run a few of those from the back and avoid people. Each race is worth something like 25 SR.

Like...I managed to take 6 seconds of penalties in a race there yesterday afternoon, and I didn't lose any SR. (the 2 second one wasn't really my fault, but I'll own sending the guy into the beginning of the pit wall when he wouldn't let me get over into the pits )

 

[RacingGrandpa]

If you haven't set a QT for Race C yet, run a few of those from the back and avoid people. Each race is worth something like 25 SR.

Like...I managed to take 6 seconds of penalties in a race there yesterday afternoon, and I didn't lose any SR. (the 2 second one wasn't really my fault, but I'll own sending the guy into the beginning of the pit wall when he wouldn't let me get over into the pits )

Or turn into the pits on first lap, do a drive through and cruise carefully at the rear.

 

[Carrera1963]

If you haven't set a QT for Race C yet, run a few of those from the back and avoid people. Each race is worth something like 25 SR.

Ahh, good to know... getting 5-6 SR from each Race A will take me ages, and I get rammed every 3rd race!

hopefully not too much DR lost from trundling along at the back?

 

[roamingbard13]

Ahh, good to know... getting 5-6 SR from each Race A will take me ages, and I get rammed every 3rd race!

hopefully not too much DR lost from trundling along at the back?

I mean, you sort of have to pick one if you want to guarantee you get back to SR 99. You'll definitely lose some. On the flip side, the SR 99 rooms are typically more competitive and easier to gain DR than when you are in the penalty box and have mixed rooms.

This was at SR 87 maybe?

Whereas my next race at 99 was all A+/A.


Although -- I finished 3rd in this room and gained maybe 500 DR, and I finished 12th in the faster room for 100 DR gain. I also had a substantial pace differential compared to most of the first room though.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

What on Earth were you trying to do in the final chicane?

Haha. Some people drive chicanes like they're the Highlander. "There can only be one."

 

[theschledy]

Has anyone noticed if DR goes up at a different rate after the last update? I've only been on my B account so I haven't really paid attention

 

[250Cal]

I can't come on here and complain about other drivers when I'm guilty of the same tactics from time to time, so here you go. I saw the battle, I took a slightly slower than normal approach to the apex, but I suppose I was expecting them to remain 2-wide through the entire arc of the turn, I did not expect the under-cut and by the time it played out, I looked like the schmuck ramming him off. I'll sleep fine though, because the driver that got side swiped was the one who caused me to spin out at the beginning of the race.

That punt into Pouhon is outrageous. You're off the brake for ages prior to contact and it's obvious what's happening. Good to see the penalty system is still broken.

As above, once you've missed the braking point for the chicane you just broadside the guy infront and then steer into them three times, even though steering left at that point would just take you off track. WTF.

 

[Carrera1963]

Well that worked, had a nice quiet Race C (finished P8, ended up P6 due to tyre penalties), and DR went up 39pts!

I’ll do another one tomorrow, should get me back close to 99...

 

[UjiOgami15]

On the other side, race b awards just 3 Sr up for rcb

 

[Mr P]

I can't come on here and complain about other drivers when I'm guilty of the same tactics from time to time, so here you go. I saw the battle, I took a slightly slower than normal approach to the apex, but I suppose I was expecting them to remain 2-wide through the entire arc of the turn, I did not expect the under-cut and by the time it played out, I looked like the schmuck ramming him off. I'll sleep fine though, because the driver that got side swiped was the one who caused me to spin out at the beginning of the race.

Why do you even race this game online? You do know you suck at it yeah?? That's ok then! ... Just wreck it for everyone else 👍

 

[rhcpeppers]

Beginner racing technique question: What is the best way to handle the situation where you gain a lot of ground on the car in front at the end of the straightaway, but not enough to make the pass in the ensuing hairpin? If I keep my regular braking point on the outside before the turn, then I'll run into the car in front, but if I try to aggressively make the pass then I'll probably cause a wreck too, or spin out of the hairpin.

I'm trying to be very clean with my driving (have maintained SR 99 consistently), so I have found myself braking way too early to safely avoid the car in front, and then I lose all of the ground I've gained on that car after the turn.

Any advice or ways to practice this? This has come up a few times this week for me at Kyoto in the big downhill before the hairpin. For that track, there might be a tire-wear component to how best to handle this too I imagine. Thx!

 

[SmallSoldier]

Beginner racing technique question: What is the best way to handle the situation where you gain a lot of ground on the car in front at the end of the straightaway, but not enough to make the pass in the ensuing hairpin? If I keep my regular braking point on the outside before the turn, then I'll run into the car in front, but if I try to aggressively make the pass then I'll probably cause a wreck too, or spin out of the hairpin.

I'm trying to be very clean with my driving (have maintained SR 99 consistently), so I have found myself braking way too early to safely avoid the car in front, and then I lose all of the ground I've gained on that car after the turn.

Any advice or ways to practice this? This has come up a few times this week for me at Kyoto in the big downhill before the hairpin. For that track, there might be a tire-wear component to how best to handle this too I imagine. Thx!

I’m a beginner also, so my advice may not be the best... If I’m behind someone going into the hairpin and I’m not close enough to make a safe pass on the inside, I will brake a little earlier than usual (this is because the drafting will have you reaching the braking point at a higher speed than usual), therefore if I brake at my usual braking point, I will most probably ram the guy infront of me and maintain the distance to the guy infront... Usually, I will be in a good position to make the pass at the following hairpin after the long left sweeper... Also, if you maintain the pressure, the guy infront may make a mistake, most of my overtakes are taking place in the left sweeper before the second hairpin since the guy infront of me may run a bit wide there and allow me to tuck in the inside of the corner and get a better corner exit).

It will of course depend on how far you are behind the other car, the rule of thumb for me in the first hairpin is 0.3 seconds... If I’m more than that, brake a bit early and wait for the right opportunity... If I’m less than that and he is in the racing line, I will go on the inside, brake a bit early again and because of the differential in speed, by the time you are turning right, I’m usually fully side by side to the other car and taking the corner.

 

[Rexracer702]

Raced B twice this morning. First race was on pole, with a known dirty driver (same as yesterday) behind me in p3. Good start, almost through T1, then t-boned off the track...I get a 1 sec penalty and am in last place by 5 seconds. Ran hard and made it back to 5th at the end, with an extra star for FL. Every race that I've seen that guy this week, he's wrecked me at the first couple turns. Second race he wasn't there. P2 on the grid with an S driver on pole, 1 second clear of my time. Got 5 A drivers behind, all within 2 tenths of me. Should be interesting. Clean start, heading down the hill behind mr. S. Through the dip, back on the gas and I get loose. Took me a couple swings of the pendulum to gather it up, which cost me second, and 4th was on my bumper. I didn't trust him that close, so I ended up knocking down some pylons and driving some weird lines, but by the end of lap 2, I knew he wasn't going to do anything evil. The gap to 2nd was pretty steady at 2-3 seconds, and I realized by the middle of lap 2 that he was out of reach with me having to defend my spot. P4's last, and best chance to take my spot was on the last lap, on the last right (the sweeper) before the chicane. He got a better drive on the previous right, and got a nose next to my rear quarter at the 4-5 shift. I was out on the curb and saw him in my radar, so I left a cars width at the apex. I knew he had the line, and I was SOL if I had to lift at exit, so I took a chance, knowing if it didn't work, at least it would be fun. A quick lift and a toss at turn in, and mash the throttle. Got sideways and caught it with the wheel...full power drift...left rear just touched the curb. By the time I hit the WOT left I had .5 seconds on him. He touched my bumper going into the second corner in the chicane, insuring my podium finish with him .4 back in 4th. I meant to save the race but exited before I realized. Bummer... I would have liked to see that drive around the outside. Oh well, guess I'll have to try it again. At least I finally got a good race in. DR up over 28k, but SR down to 87 after yesterday and todays first race .

 

[O604]

Beginner racing technique question: What is the best way to handle the situation where you gain a lot of ground on the car in front at the end of the straightaway, but not enough to make the pass in the ensuing hairpin? If I keep my regular braking point on the outside before the turn, then I'll run into the car in front, but if I try to aggressively make the pass then I'll probably cause a wreck too, or spin out of the hairpin.

I'm trying to be very clean with my driving (have maintained SR 99 consistently), so I have found myself braking way too early to safely avoid the car in front, and then I lose all of the ground I've gained on that car after the turn.

Any advice or ways to practice this? This has come up a few times this week for me at Kyoto in the big downhill before the hairpin. For that track, there might be a tire-wear component to how best to handle this too I imagine. Thx!

I'm no expert. But remember a race line will not be the same as a solo lap. 2 cars cannot occupy the same space. So it will feel like braking early. But it's actually just situational driving.

Try letting off the gas earlier and coasting a bit (or a lot if it's downhill). I think a lot of drivers often forget this is an option.

 

[Groundfish]

Beginner racing technique question: What is the best way to handle the situation where you gain a lot of ground on the car in front at the end of the straightaway, but not enough to make the pass in the ensuing hairpin? If I keep my regular braking point on the outside before the turn, then I'll run into the car in front, but if I try to aggressively make the pass then I'll probably cause a wreck too, or spin out of the hairpin.

I'm trying to be very clean with my driving (have maintained SR 99 consistently), so I have found myself braking way too early to safely avoid the car in front, and then I lose all of the ground I've gained on that car after the turn.

Any advice or ways to practice this? This has come up a few times this week for me at Kyoto in the big downhill before the hairpin. For that track, there might be a tire-wear component to how best to handle this too I imagine. Thx!

If you can’t make the pass then you fall in behind and wait.
Only overtake when you know the spots yours.
Over time things become clear.

 

[GTP_TO Blue]

DS4 responds better if you can ease in the steering gradually. It means adjusting your turn in points to compensate and may also require a modification to your trail braking on some turns. It'll never be as good as a wheel user can achieve, but with the technique done right tyre wear is much better.

Edit - it also requires that you're using the mini-stick to steer, not the d-pad.

Wouldn't motion control give even better steering input than both the mini-stick and/or D-Pad?

 

[Rexracer702]

Beginner racing technique question: What is the best way to handle the situation where you gain a lot of ground on the car in front at the end of the straightaway, but not enough to make the pass in the ensuing hairpin? If I keep my regular braking point on the outside before the turn, then I'll run into the car in front, but if I try to aggressively make the pass then I'll probably cause a wreck too, or spin out of the hairpin.

I'm trying to be very clean with my driving (have maintained SR 99 consistently), so I have found myself braking way too early to safely avoid the car in front, and then I lose all of the ground I've gained on that car after the turn.

Any advice or ways to practice this? This has come up a few times this week for me at Kyoto in the big downhill before the hairpin. For that track, there might be a tire-wear component to how best to handle this too I imagine. Thx!

A couple things to remember. If you were in the draft, you will need more distance to stop because you will have a higher speed. Also, especially if in a car with high downforce (gr3 and above) being in the draft when approaching the corner robs you of downforce, also increasing braking distance. Even if I'm not close enough to make the pass, I often pull to the side to get clean air, so I can stop in time with a closer to normal braking point. The combo of higher top speed, and lower downforce because of the draft can get you in too deep in a hurry. Always good to be aware of the effects of the draft.

 

[Famine]

it was the white car that hit you in turn 1

Indeed it was - the same white car he'd tried to force into the pit wall right off the line too.

That pass on lap one of the blue/white spotted car... that was an assassination, not an overtake. What an absolutely obscene "race" - and to come out of it with a blue S!