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To you guys that weawe on the straights on Spa when someone is behind you in slipstream... Don't. You got two moves, after that you are dirty. Two moves, and then you pick a line and stick to it. And pick a side in the brake zone...
If you don't do this then watch the videos again to learn how to "not make yourself look bad". This should be a higher priority than a dubvious win...

There's a link in my signature, you should read that.
I do indeed keep that in mind, I've read it throughly. The entire website is great too. But what do you guys do when someone in front is also weaving to break slipstream? I usually follow when there is no one directly behind. Also, is gently squeezing someon on a straight dirty driving?
 
I do indeed keep that in mind, I've read it throughly. The entire website is great too. But what do you guys do when someone in front is also weaving to break slipstream? I usually follow when there is no one directly behind. Also, is gently squeezing someon on a straight dirty driving?
It depends on what you mean about gently squeezing someone. If you mean edging towards the grass so you doesn't leave room then yes, it is.
Following a weawer when no one is behind you isn't dirty,but I am not sure the slipstream makes up for the added distance.

Edit: @AfraidRacer here is some GT info:
https://www.redbull.com/int-en/gt-racing-101-a-guide-for-the-perplexed
 
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It depends on what you mean about gently squeezing someone. If you mean edging towards the grass so you doesn't leave room then yes, it is.
Following a weawer when no one is behind you isn't dirty,but I am not sure the slipstream makes up for the added distance.

Edit: @AfraidRacer here is some GT info:
https://www.redbull.com/int-en/gt-racing-101-a-guide-for-the-perplexed
Not like that, but if I’m on the left on the back straight at Croix, with a car to might and 2 car lengths of space, can I reduce that to one car length so I am more towards the right and get a better exit by gently steering right?
 
Not like that, but if I’m on the left on the back straight at Croix, with a car to might and 2 car lengths of space, can I reduce that to one car length so I am more towards the right and get a better exit by gently steering right?
Sure. You can drive 5 inches away as long as you leave space. But be careful, lag can mask a cars true position.
 
Penalty system seems to be designed to keep you down in the SR B and C scrubs. Been trying for weeks to get out and get back into higher splits for FIA and it just keeps dragging me back in.

This week at Spa is qual 1st, get blasted at La Source, unghost on recovery and get pulverised from behind for a 4 sec pen. Rinse and repeat. Other than that its much slower drivers blocking aggressively, diving and causing contact. Even just love taps on the rear bumper in a train of cars and its SR downs all day. Bit demoralising tbh.
 
Penalty system seems to be designed to keep you down in the SR B and C scrubs. Been trying for weeks to get out and get back into higher splits for FIA and it just keeps dragging me back in.

This week at Spa is qual 1st, get blasted at La Source, unghost on recovery and get pulverised from behind for a 4 sec pen. Rinse and repeat. Other than that its much slower drivers blocking aggressively, diving and causing contact. Even just love taps on the rear bumper in a train of cars and its SR downs all day. Bit demoralising tbh.
You shouldn't have qualified before you made the SR back. But now your best bet is probably to run the first FIA slot for SR and the second for points
 
You shouldn't have qualified before you made the SR back. But now your best bet is probably to run the first FIA slot for SR and the second for points

I figured being at the front would give me some clean air, and even a small incident would mean clean running around the top 5 for the rest of most races.

Welp, it's put me down to D/E. It's literally from people 1 sec a lap slower than me losing control, crashing into me and giving me the pen. I've revenge punted people in the past for less repercussions.

I reckon I might retire this game until GT7. It's not worth the time an energy to get back up to around A/S.
 
Sure. You can drive 5 inches away as long as you leave space. But be careful, lag can mask a cars true position.
@AfraidRacer - An equally valid tactic if you find yourself on the outside being undertaken (using the St Croix back straight as an example) is to bring your car left as close to your opponent as possible (again, without nudging or squeezing them off the track). Your aim here is to ensure that they must take a tight line into the next corner, a left hander. If you trust them you can try to hang on around the outside. If you don't trust them, brake slightly early and take the wider entry cutting across behind them into the corner. You've got a good chance of getting a better exit as they run wide because of their narrow line. This kind of car positioning and manipulation is completely fair and all part of a good tactical battle.
 
@AfraidRacer - An equally valid tactic if you find yourself on the outside being undertaken (using the St Croix back straight as an example) is to bring your car left as close to your opponent as possible (again, without nudging or squeezing them off the track). Your aim here is to ensure that they must take a tight line into the next corner, a left hander. If you trust them you can try to hang on around the outside. If you don't trust them, brake slightly early and take the wider entry cutting across behind them into the corner. You've got a good chance of getting a better exit as they run wide because of their narrow line. This kind of car positioning and manipulation is completely fair and all part of a good tactical battle.
Yes, this is very much race craft!
 
Had two good, albeit somewhat filthy races this morning in NA.
Nice to see people one recognise.
And @ILLEAGLE_34 nice to see you in race.

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Had two good, albeit somewhat filthy races this morning in NA.
Nice to see people one recognise.
And @ILLEAGLE_34 nice to see you in race.

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it was fun seeing you and a couple other guys/girls in that race. I think we had some clean close racing for a minute, that is before I went to go smell the flowers. I’m finding it hard to do 9 “good” laps in a row.
 
This week's Dailies at Willow and Suzuka are a lot of fun. I always like racing the Toyburus... very linear cars and it makes for fun racing when everyone is matched easily, yet faster drivers can maintain a gap when ahead. I think I raced more Dailies last night than I have in months, and most of them on my primary account... which I needed to 'correct' after falling under the A DR line... mission accomplished with some steady and careful runs at Suzuka, mostly.

But tough competition, for sure, in that Gr4 race at Suzuka. Set what I thought was a good QT, only to get matched repeatedly in what seemed to be the top split in the Americas region, with the pole sitter just a tenth or two off the top time- putting me 8th or so on the grid. What made it nice, though, is that if you could get into the top 5, could pull some distance from the rest and just make sure to come home with positive DR after three fun laps. And just staying clean often resulted in a couple of spots, so then it was up to me to make one racing pass for 5th or 4th in most races, grabbing a few hundred DR without risk of losing a bunch, each race.

Also, these two tracks made for great places to get used to my new brake pedal sensor, for my G29 wheel. The AXC-Sim TrueBrake is a nice improvement over the standard potentiometer, and this is especially evident in the kinds of turns at both tracks. The ability to really control the overlap between the final braking and the throttle input, prior to the apex (in that last trail braking zone) is really great. I am certain I can be faster with this setup than the stock one. And it is also much more effective in race situations, where you can make corrections while keeping the speed up, in the turns. It's funny, too, because once you realize the "high-def" resolution of the braking input, it's almost as though the throttle pedal gets more precise too, so you find yourself feeling much more in control all-around.

Any of you G29 users that want for better quality inputs, would suggest to consider it before spending $1000 on a Fanatec... it's a great bang for the buck IMO.
 
This week's Dailies at Willow and Suzuka are a lot of fun. I always like racing the Toyburus... very linear cars and it makes for fun racing when everyone is matched easily, yet faster drivers can maintain a gap when ahead. I think I raced more Dailies last night than I have in months, and most of them on my primary account... which I needed to 'correct' after falling under the A DR line... mission accomplished with some steady and careful runs at Suzuka, mostly.

But tough competition, for sure, in that Gr4 race at Suzuka. Set what I thought was a good QT, only to get matched repeatedly in what seemed to be the top split in the Americas region, with the pole sitter just a tenth or two off the top time- putting me 8th or so on the grid. What made it nice, though, is that if you could get into the top 5, could pull some distance from the rest and just make sure to come home with positive DR after three fun laps. And just staying clean often resulted in a couple of spots, so then it was up to me to make one racing pass for 5th or 4th in most races, grabbing a few hundred DR without risk of losing a bunch, each race.

Also, these two tracks made for great places to get used to my new brake pedal sensor, for my G29 wheel. The AXC-Sim TrueBrake is a nice improvement over the standard potentiometer, and this is especially evident in the kinds of turns at both tracks. The ability to really control the overlap between the final braking and the throttle input, prior to the apex (in that last trail braking zone) is really great. I am certain I can be faster with this setup than the stock one. And it is also much more effective in race situations, where you can make corrections while keeping the speed up, in the turns. It's funny, too, because once you realize the "high-def" resolution of the braking input, it's almost as though the throttle pedal gets more precise too, so you find yourself feeling much more in control all-around.

Any of you G29 users that want for better quality inputs, would suggest to consider it before spending $1000 on a Fanatec... it's a great bang for the buck IMO.
Cost? Install difficulty?
 
Set what I thought was a good QT, only to get matched repeatedly in what seemed to be the top split in the Americas region, with the pole sitter just a tenth or two off the top time- putting me 8th or so on the grid.

Maybe the #1 way for you to be able to tell participation is in the crapper in NA. If you're at SR99 and above DR 20K, you're going to be in the top split. I think that's why it so brutal sometimes is because people are trying to grind and it's not easy sailing even if you're good necessarily.

I also think that's why the Top B and Low A splits of FIA are pretty equal in terms of speed (if not in consistency).
 
@KosmoKazi Good to see you out on the track last night in the TT cup!
Thanks for that mini review on the AXC brake too. I’ve been eyeballing one, and I’ll be out warranty next month.

@ILLEAGLE_34 looks like 50 bones per their site.
There's no way to tell if you've modded the pedal... it's completely reversible and there are no warranty seals or anything to disrupt when installing it. The install is easy, took about an hour, taking time to be careful and do it right, with really clear instructions. So no reason to wait... and the ordering queue is pretty long, btw... they make them in batches based on orders, so you should plan ahead! If you want to put the original one back in after, it's easily replaced. A really nicely designed part.
 
@KosmoKazi Good to see you out on the track last night in the TT cup!
Thanks for that mini review on the AXC brake too. I’ve been eyeballing one, and I’ll be out warranty next month.

@ILLEAGLE_34 looks like 50 bones per their site.
Thank you good sir. I know I shoulda just looked it up myself but thought I’d try to keep the conversation going... any word on installation? Btw I have no idea what I am doing in these chats? Forum? Thanks to you all for your patience with a not THAT old analog, anomaly, idiot.
 
Man I have NO race pace at spa, qualified with a low 2.06 and I am doing my first hot lap on hards at like 2.11. Not 100% sure my usual plan of "start on hards then hot lap in open air on mediums" is working here, in all three races I was punted off at T1 so as loathe as I am to waste the grip squabbling, I am just getting eaten alive early.

Speaking of punts, man I have done NOTHING wrong for three races and I seem to cop penalty after penalty. I don't understand how guys and muscle past me, touching me at least 2 times, then i get 4 seconds? Like what the heck?
 
I’m still not feeling too inclined to go racing, though I am tempted by Race A for this week. I just wish there was a way to race casually, without worrying about DR, but everything else being in place like the penalties. Hopefully we’ll get better lobby options and QoL in GT7, and/or a revival of Quick Match from GT6. Or something similar, yeah. Otherwise, I wanna get to other games on my backlog and I’m honestly too preoccupied with my DR right now.
 
I’m still not feeling too inclined to go racing, though I am tempted by Race A for this week. I just wish there was a way to race casually, without worrying about DR, but everything else being in place like the penalties. Hopefully we’ll get better lobby options and QoL in GT7, and/or a revival of Quick Match from GT6. Or something similar, yeah. Otherwise, I wanna get to other games on my backlog and I’m honestly too preoccupied with my DR right now.

The penalty system does have so many flaws, and DR/SR can be hard earned and easily lost. But truth be told. That's all up to your approach.

Two options in my opinion come to mind. Take your main account out there and just enjoy the racing, don't worry about the SR or DR.

If those are really important to you, create an alt account, and go have some fun. Gradually you'll get it up to the same level as your main account, but the sole purpose is to have fun and race.
 
Yes, I ran two races this morning, the first I didn't hit anyone or run off track. But got hit several times by a driver who just pushed through where there where no room for an overtake. SR 96-82. Second race, again clean but pushed and hit in La Source and at the end of Kemmel a couple of times. After the race I was SR 83....
 
The penalty system does have so many flaws, and DR/SR can be hard earned and easily lost. But truth be told. That's all up to your approach.

Two options in my opinion come to mind. Take your main account out there and just enjoy the racing, don't worry about the SR or DR.

If those are really important to you, create an alt account, and go have some fun. Gradually you'll get it up to the same level as your main account, but the sole purpose is to have fun and race.

I spent a good few months only doing race A until I got the confidence that my race craft was good enough to do race B's, to start with I was consumed by SR and DR so set up an alt to just run the tracks, still have loads to learn but having fun, of which is the main reason for playing games.
 
@AfraidRacer - An equally valid tactic if you find yourself on the outside being undertaken (using the St Croix back straight as an example) is to bring your car left as close to your opponent as possible (again, without nudging or squeezing them off the track). Your aim here is to ensure that they must take a tight line into the next corner, a left hander. If you trust them you can try to hang on around the outside. If you don't trust them, brake slightly early and take the wider entry cutting across behind them into the corner. You've got a good chance of getting a better exit as they run wide because of their narrow line. This kind of car positioning and manipulation is completely fair and all part of a good tactical battle.
You can bait people into falling for this too.

Pick a line that moves you away from the proper line and closer to an inside line, but not far enough that there's room on the outside for them to go for that space. They'll naturally want to pass you on the inside then, especially if they're slipstreaming. So now you've made sure that the car behind is definitely going for the inside line, if they're making a move at all that is, which means that you're already prepared for the situation described in the quote above so you don't have to adapt that strategy on the fly. A lot of the time they'll bin it anyway by not being prepared for the inside line :D

That's another good tip for developing racecraft: practice taking slow and medium corners on the inside line so you know where you need to brake and how much if you end up on the inside. It also tells you what to expect from another car that is taking the inside line on you. If you know where and how much *you* need to brake on the inside, you know roughly where *they* need to do it as well, which makes it easier to prepare your countermove.
 
Following a weawer when no one is behind you isn't dirty,but I am not sure the slipstream makes up for the added distance

Once you get beyond a certain dr people don’t do that weaving anymore. Low dr was like a circus on St Croix, I just ignored it and straight lined in most cases. If I’m ahead I will fade a bit slightly at a funny angle or come out onto the straight the opposite side from normal.
Squeezing is a definite grey area, I won’t do it if the guy behind has been driving right, but if it’s a jerk I will squeeze them, as long as there’s no one close behind me.
The thing that sets me off is at low dr sr I can go defensive on the straight. Sometimes you get that guy who will stay behind on your butt even if there’s a half car width to the inside wall or track limit.
There’s “those guys” that even go off track on open corners to force their way inside. I always take them out because it’s a race not a circus, and it’s insulting me as a racer to pull trashy moves like that.
In that case I brake check them because I have to assume they are going to punt me.
Good drivers don’t do this.
High dr on the back straight at St Croix approaching the tight left, I had inside made overtake, went through clean side by side and even got overtaken around outside a couple times with no issues.
Lower dr imo you kinda need to go elbows out more and they can’t run alternate lines based on situation. That’s what I found.
If someone weaves all over and wants a circus race, if it’s not a high down force car if you can develop the skill it’s easy to go for their rear quarter panel in a pit and put an end to their shenanigans. It works especially well if your car is more stable and heavy. Hint: when they are weaving rightward, you want to be hitting the rear quarter panel coming from rightward using your cars momentum and their steering angle to induce them to spin.
Don’t try it on gr2 tho, too much downforce...If people are making it a circus in those cars you take care of them with a standard punt technique in a hard braking zone...
At higher dr people know better, rather they know their opponents will be able to end their race if they want a circus.

I am certain I can be faster with this setup than the stock one. And it is also much more effective in race situations, where you can make corrections while keeping the speed up, in the turns

After now having an input device which offers finer resolution don’t you find it a tremendous advantage?
In this game imo the better finer resolution you can use with your inputs, whether ds4 or pedal the better you’re gonna be imo.
I think without ability to finely modulate inputs, it’s easy miss little details and much harder to race cleanly. My guess is after a couple weeks your driving will get much much more consistent and faster.
You will be able to balance the cars better and carry more speed, then you will be racing against better and better racers...
Cheers

Edit: people might read this and think omg this guys so dirty. Try racing the Assetto Corsa original games ai and try to pull crummy dive block passes good luck!
If people in gts all get together and develop a no tolerance policy and take out the trash the culture will be more true to real.
Pacifism only reinforces/encourages more circus driving.
Also I’ve noticed if someone hits you first oftentimes you don’t even get penalized for taking them out. Fact.
Anyways you can call me dirty but anyone whose raced me fair knows my car will not touch them. If it does there will be an apology at minimum or IF ITS SAFE and will not disrupt others race I will give back the position.
It’s fine to slow to give back position but NEVER do it in a way that holds up those coming behind that have nothing to do with your transgressions, please.
Sometimes people park on apex at low dr, trying to give position back to the guy they just punted. NEVER EVER DO THAT, wait for the pen zone or straight, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY.
 
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For sure it's much better to have more precise controls than the stock G29... the benefit I've noticed is that if I overcook the entry, I can better modulate the correction so that the penalty is not as bad as before- I can maintain a higher min speed in a corner even when I made a mistake, and I can get back on the throttle more effectively to avoid the speed penalty on exit. This means better racing as well, as 1) I have more confidence braking later into turns (really key to leverage the Porsche 911 RSR and Audi TT's braking advantage in races) and 2) when in close quarters, it's easier to control the car to avoid contact.

It's not perfect, and I don't suppose it's better than what you'd get in an expensive Fanatec pedal (though I don't know the technical setup there) and takes a lot of adaptation to get used to the change in the force... it's a LOT higher than stock spring/potentiometer setup. But once you 'recalibrate' your brain (and get used to the effort... it's substantially higher) it's much more effective.

I used to work at an OEM in Dearborn and my job was actually to measure brake pedal input and relate it to both performance and subjective evaluations. So it's bringing back some old muscle memories I suppose! (PS: the '93 Mazda RX7 was best in class, btw... '96 Mustang Cobra with the Hydraboost was very good too, but compromised by a crap suspension setup)

I was really lucky I think, that the FIA race was at Goodwood last week (very light braking for the most part, and really ideal for first time racing with the change in the pedal) and the nature of Big Willow and Suzuka also allows for a great arena to get used to the change. It's really easy to modulate a FF car in-turn with some trail brake / throttle-on during the Esses (I'm pulling people through that sector routinely, even at the front of the field), and I'm able to get nearly all the way to the 100m sign before braking into Casio... critical for racing there. Overlapping the throttle-on before the apex at T1 at Big Willow is critical to speed there, and a great place to get used to a new feel as well. Spoon 1 is also a great place to try new things... tossing it in with braking after the access road, but throwing on some throttle way before the apex, the car will pull right through there... just let it ride out to the end of the exit curb, then dab the brakes and get the nose on the inside curb at Spoon 2, hold part throttle til you hit the end of that curb, then ramp quickly to WOT on exit, and I'm much more consistent than before. Spoon requires a careful balance of throttle/brake, and any better input is a boost there.

@KosmoKazi Good to see you out on the track last night in the TT cup!
Thanks for that mini review on the AXC brake too. I’ve been eyeballing one, and I’ll be out warranty next month.

@ILLEAGLE_34 looks like 50 bones per their site.

Thank you good sir. I know I shoulda just looked it up myself but thought I’d try to keep the conversation going... any word on installation? Btw I have no idea what I am doing in these chats? Forum? Thanks to you all for your patience with a not THAT old analog, anomaly, idiot.
 
Opposite to usual this week - I'm having to run race A to repair the damage to my SR by being constantly rammed in race C!!

Had one guy trying to pit manoeuvre me all the way up the Kemmel Straight, he failed so completely that he speared off at 90 degrees into the barrier - 4 second penalty for me, and SR S to A.....
 
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