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Little_Guppy
O604,

I also use the Gr3 Hyundai Genesis but almost no one else does. I picked it because it had the best power to weight ratio for the BoP'ed variant. The handling is very forgiving and it runs over curbs nicely. Now I am accustomed to it and normally can't do better with any other vehicle. It feels like one of the overlooked choices.

So, why do *you* like driving it as your Gr3 choice? How do you find it superior to the other cars?

Oh, did I congratulate you on your success with it this week? Congratulations!
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Hyundai's issue is controlling wheelspin coming out of hairpins in 2nd gear... back end gets really loose really quick like the Supra.
 
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Little_Guppy
So, why do *you* like driving it as your Gr3 choice? How do you find it superior to the other cars?

Oh, did I congratulate you on your success with it this week? Congratulations!
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Very happy to stick with it all week. I felt planted in 3rd gear where it counted. Which also gave me confidence to push it and find new approaches to some turns.

Success is relative. lol. Only 5 races this week. But almost clean for all 10 laps. Gained spots every race. Stayed blue. Good week by my standards. :)
 
Gotta admit, after my crappy grumble about the penalties in my first race last night I had 2 great races on N24. First race three of us broke away and I just abided my time in 2nd. Leader was sloppy and when they made a mistake I gapped it. Then mademy own mistake allowing them to catch up, but with a 0.5 penalty. When we hit the final straight I thought I was good, but third had caught us and were right behind me exiting that turn. So I let off the gas, they went right by and I was drafting up their rear. Made the pass at the Crest of the hill and won by 0.1 seconds. Awesome race!:cheers:

Had a solid next race at the back of a loaded lobby as a DR filler. Spent half the race dicing with a top split player who has dodgy internet and attitude, but raced me great and clean. Ended up p14 after pulling the same move on the back straight with the top split guy and another driver. Took the other guy but finished on the bumper of the other player. Fantastic way to finish the night. Some good races are out there.:gtpflag:👍

EDIT: Let me add I am not claiming i was as fast as said superstar, they set their race on expert mode by not qualifying and by running the Lambo.
 
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NevilleNobody
The TT, Mebane and scirrocco don't lose much to it on the straights and the jag is a legit rwd option. Everything else gets smoked in a straight line.
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I’m predominantly using the Jag, but pretty much every RWD I’ve used is about half a second faster than the RCZ from T1 to the final turn. The only problem is that if you’re behind it, it’s speed on the straight negates your only sensible passing opportunity at T1.
 
Groundfish
Well race B is just what I expected a terribly frustrating affair.
I went in at 99. I did not complete turn 1 before receiving my first sr down on the day. I was like 14 or something on the grid with a 56.6 on alt.
It pisses me off that you have all these excellent qual times ahead and these guys cannot make one turn together in a race without crashing into each other ricocheting off walls and careening back into me just taking the darn turn normal.
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I think daily race qualification needs a look at from PD. Maybe reset everyone's times daily or something, because lapping all week just to get one miracle lap is not only misguiding but not always the most fun of affairs (Also I get that people do enjoy time trials, but there is a mode for that). I'd like there to be qualification before race like FIA, but I get that you're supposed to be able to jump right in to dailies.
 
DuNord
I think daily race qualification needs a look at from PD. Maybe reset everyone's times daily or something, because lapping all week just to get one miracle lap is not only misguiding but not always the most fun of affairs (Also I get that people do enjoy time trials, but there is a mode for that). I'd like there to be qualification before race like FIA, but I get that you're supposed to be able to jump right in to dailies.
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I’ve said before each player should only get a certain amount of qualifying session time for each race. By weeks end you end up with a lot of guys high up on the grid but who can’t race well.

Good morning friends, as expected entering B race led to my demise on alt, however I am recovering quickly since I put in a q time on c race.
I hope to get back to s again soon so I can jump back in b race.
The Hyundai was working a treat for me.
It can destroy any ff through t1 from multiple lines. So although ff can pull alongside they can’t get by anyways...
The only real trouble I have there is that ridiculous final turn.
That’s a circus turn. Very very tough to carry speed there.
I hate the track pretty much but I love facing off against the RCZ.
I have a great replay from yesterday where the RCZ behind me is faster, and tries to get by multiple times in turn 1 and I cleanly thwarted him every time in Hyundai, finally he got desperate and I suckered him in to trying the outside on the awkward right. Riflmao.
He ended up enjoying a photo op with Hasselhoff. :)

Edit coffee and Megane qual yielded a 56.3 (barely). That’s it for me. Not enough left in it to bother.
Now onward to the ring where I’m sitting 8:20..

Goin in country big time...
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Some 911 driver #2 on the grid (8:23) made the mistake of saying 911 will win.

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BMW
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DONT SCREW WITH US
 
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Race C, of course

After a week of struggle and battling nutters I get a decent QF (4th)
Nicely in touch with top 3 after lap 1 (within 5s)
Battle past aggressive Beetle on lap 2
I go into carousel and bingo - P1 and P2 have taken each other out!
Will this be my long awaited win. Surely!

A plane flies overhead - maybe a red arrows celebration?

Knocks out my internet :nervous:
 
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Last night I was pole, enroute to my third cheap win in a row after getting reset to D E.
It was a B SR room. 911 (of course) second on grid. I got a poor jump and he got a decent start so I stayed inside under braking. (Of course it’s a 911 driver so he’s looking to dive)
This guy straight up sends it late no hope of making the turn, fully to track limit waaaaay inside waaaay late. I guess he thought he would be sneaky, bounce off and be right into first as I get tangled up.
Ummm change in plans nitwit-I play from cockpit and see everything. I saw you hatching out a plot to cheat. I deal with 911 drivers all the time it’s always the same with the diving...
Unfortunately for yourself, I AM the devil when people try to get sneaky.
Replay shared, I went full kamikaze hard right turn intending to crash him out, what ended up happening was priceless, I ghost sideways get vaulted into first he spins and gets a 3 second penalty and down to 14th. I go on to victory after violently mowing down a beetle just before entering the ring, taking a 3.5 penalty but emerging from the forest with a ten second lead.
I AM the devil, but only when people openly try to punk me. If you are racing, you gotta ask yourself, will the guy I’m diving on go kamikaze and pull the trigger???


I don’t always play Sport Mode, but when I do, I drive the big iron.
 
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Fennario
Hyundai's issue is controlling wheelspin coming out of hairpins in 2nd gear... back end gets really loose really quick like the Supra.
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Fennario,

Good insight. It makes me (too) cautious getting back on the pedal. I expect it is *one* of things holding me back in Gr 3. I use TCS=0 and effectively I need to get the steering back to center before applying hard acceleration which leads to some odd lines. For example, to compensate, I accelerate straight, but not necessarily in the direction of the track :eek:. I adjust as I hit higher revs/and or short shift to 3rd.
 
I love Sundays, not.

I'm in first place, 16 sec lead (Brazilian competition knocked themselves out with penalties), just before I cross the finish line suddenly I'm in second and finish second. Some guy who was never in the race appears as he finishes... Yep, very fair to let people time trial against a full race!

And the next race disconnected due to data loss while matchmaking. Next to the penalty system PD really needs to overhaul their lousy network code. 3 years after release and lobbies are still full of problems while cars glitch around in sport mode knocking other people off.

Next race loading, fingers crossed. Yesterday was ridiculous by the way. 4 or 5 DR resets, 95% real dirty drivers. I lost count of the number of side swipes, even full on brake checks. Which shows how superior the racing is in SR.E since those idiots simply get ghosted and side swipe right through you into the wall :lol:
 
N24h has been a lot of fun this week, but I've had a couple races where I'm right on someone going into the final straight and they try to slow down at the end of the right turn to let me through only so they can get the slipstream and take their place back. It's honestly just poor sportsmanship.

The only opportunity to pass before there is the narrow uphill section at Kesselchen, and it's all too easy for the car ahead to block someone from passing there. I get stuck behind slower cars there almost every race, and I just patiently sit behind them at about +0.3 seconds as they're barely in control of their car for 2-3 minutes, if they manage to stay on the track. On at least three occasions after sitting behind someone who was objectively slower, they let off the gas as soon as they get around to the start of the final straight, hoping that I'll go past them and they can take advantage of the slipstream and take the place back. I just slow down with them until they realize it's not going to work, pass them up the hill, and try to break the slipstream or block them if I have to. It's not clever or a smart strategy, it's just cheap.
 
Little_Guppy
Fennario,

Good insight. It makes me (too) cautious getting back on the pedal. I expect it is *one* of things holding me back in Gr 3. I use TCS=0 and effectively I need to get the steering back to center before applying hard acceleration which leads to some odd lines. For example, to compensate, I accelerate straight, but not necessarily in the direction of the track :eek:. I adjust as I hit higher revs/and or short shift to 3rd.
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This is what tcs is for, but what you need is max steering angle AT apex, unwinding after. If you are unwinding it’s easier to avoid spins.
Look at the hp and torque numbers on gr3 —- if you think irl you could hook this power up reliably without tcs on a road course at the limits more power to ya.
These cars have tcs for a reason.
Sure you can short shift and just bog but you’re losing acceleration with many, but not all cars.
If a person wanted to learn better throttle modulation in synch with better steering input they might run tcs 3, play with getting on throttle earlier but progressively.
Now IF tcs 3 is cutting power it’s telling you you have way too much steering input for the amount of throttle given.
There’s a degree of rotation in each car of the steering wheel that moving past that point will cut power if tcs is on three. But, if you use the trail braking right and in some cases throttle too you can turn the car better much better by turning the steering less.
Most people that cry about understeer have zero trailbraking plus waaaaay waaay too much steering angle. Then they blame the game lol.
Less steering angle is less rolling resistance more speed less tire wear etc etc etc.
I personally have found that after sticking with tcs3 on most cars, not the gr4 Ferrari but yes on the RSR gr3...Anyways sticking with it on 3 but trying to never have it activate has helped me develop the proper coordination between brake steering and throttle.
It’s a timing thing and coordination thing along with having the car in a good line.
With tcs 0 (how I spent the first 4-6 months in gts) I wasn’t getting it. I just got too wary of throttle on exit. Lol that’s not gonna lead to good laptimes or fun online races.
GT3 are modern, they are not like the old Alpine n100 or the Porsche speedster.
Imo you can learn to work with the electronic systems and be far far more consistent AND faster, but only if you understand them.
Just having tcs off imo you’ll never get it the right way. You’ll be sawing away at the wheel sliding counter steering meh blah

Edit a good general rule that applies to most corners is no throttle until apex or just after.
You might need to brake a touch later than you think in some cases if you are trail braking and in the racing line.

That’s JMO YMMV
 
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These are my thoughts in the Nordschleife this week. Other than a few Gr 4 runs it is mostly new for me.

Exhausting. Need another level of concentration to simply stay on the track. The track coupled with the fast Gr3 class is a challenge.

Rewarding. I felt a sense of accomplishment this week. This is a hard track/combo to learn - complicated track and fast car.

Whereas, at most tracks there is clearly a “most difficult” section (Spoon for Suzuka), at the Nordschleife, there are multiple sections that compete for “most difficult”.

The “Campaign” | “Circuit Experience” section was indispensable. I laughed at the PD narrator, you know, the one with the English accent, who kept advising me to interchangeably use/avoid the *kerbstones*. Which is it?! And yep, some are to be used and some are to be avoided. Further, it implies that some corners require an apex while closer to the center of the road rather than the *kerb*. Thank you English narrator!

I got finger cramps. I bet no F1 driver experiences that sort of trauma! ;)

The road is bumpy *and* crowned. It rewards earlier braking allowing you to utilize the inside camber and metes out punishment if you miss. It feels like there is some more *opportunity* for improvement here.

I understand why real F1 racers are not allowed to d[r]i[v]e on this track any longer. :indiff:

My SR suffered mid week. That allowed me to race with different groups. By end of the week I had consistency leading to SR restoration and a modest DR bump for the week. I mostly enjoyed the SR.A and SR.B groups as the racers willing to take more risk which is a welcome change from the more processional SR.S crowd. There were some nasties but eventually they fell off the track all by themselves or got a little help.

Need to practice going off and returning to the track. The track is mostly forgiving if you ease off throttle and ease back on. The walls can save you if you do not abuse them leading to a 1.5s penalty.

There are rest bits. I found it important to utilize the straight-ish sections to rest my brain and stretch those fingers.

Mea Culpa. I plowed into Turn 1, not once, not twice but three times. I could not resist the temptation to overtake a Beetle if it ever started in front of me. They are relatively slow in the GP section. Bad Guppy! I am beyond the rookie level where it can be excused. I hope I do not appear in a Youtube highlight reel.

I started the week with a QT with 8:41 and worked it down to 8:28. My best QT and optimal have started to converge. I have some consistency. Best race laps were about 8:33. I need a whole other level of learning to reduce by another 10 seconds. It will not come with simply doing the same thing.

So, when are we doing the Nord again?
 
Not too bad a week at the N24. Had a horrendous midweek dip when I hit SR C. Gently eased my way back to to S & picked my battles. Couldn't replicate the 2 wins I had earlier this week, had some fun racing tho
Noticed as my DR rises my SR drops, not that I'm driving any differently just meet much more aggressive drivers who don't have the patience to plan an overtake, they seem to want to plough through even though there's nowhere for them to go after they've barged past me. Ahh, the joy of GT sport :lol:
 
Groundfish
This is what tcs is for, but what you need is max steering angle AT apex, unwinding after. If you are unwinding it’s easier to avoid spins.
Look at the hp and torque numbers on gr3 —- if you think irl you could hook this power up reliably without tcs on a road course at the limits more power to ya.
These cars have tcs for a reason.
Sure you can short shift and just bog but you’re losing acceleration with many, but not all cars.
If a person wanted to learn better throttle modulation in synch with better steering input they might run tcs 3, play with getting on throttle earlier but progressively.
Now IF tcs 3 is cutting power it’s telling you you have way too much steering input for the amount of throttle given.
There’s a degree of rotation in each car of the steering wheel that moving past that point will cut power if tcs is on three. But, if you use the trail braking right and in some cases throttle too you can turn the car better much better by turning the steering less.
Most people that cry about understeer have zero trailbraking plus waaaaay waaay too much steering angle. Then they blame the game lol.
Less steering angle is less rolling resistance more speed less tire wear etc etc etc.
I personally have found that after sticking with tcs3 on most cars, not the gr4 Ferrari but yes on the RSR gr3...Anyways sticking with it on 3 but trying to never have it activate has helped me develop the proper coordination between brake steering and throttle.
It’s a timing thing and coordination thing along with having the car in a good line.
With tcs 0 (how I spent the first 4-6 months in gts) I wasn’t getting it. I just got too wary of throttle on exit. Lol that’s not gonna lead to good laptimes or fun online races.
GT3 are modern, they are not like the old Alpine n100 or the Porsche speedster.
Imo you can learn to work with the electronic systems and be far far more consistent AND faster, but only if you understand them.
Just having tcs off imo you’ll never get it the right way. You’ll be sawing away at the wheel sliding counter steering meh blah

Edit a good general rule that applies to most corners is no throttle until apex or just after.
You might need to brake a touch later than you think in some cases if you are trail braking and in the racing line.

That’s JMO YMMV
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Groundfish,

Thanks for the considered advice. I especially welcome the explanations as I need to understand the "why" - it's just the way I am programmed.

I adopted TCS=0 based on the general understanding that all aids help but you can do better once you dispense with them. Upon dispensing TCS=3 I improved significantly - QT, race times, DR - the lot. With your explanation, I accept that I moved prematurely and that I did not properly understand the "why" and hence my development has plateaued on FR/MR drives.

With TCS=3 I was just mashing the accelerator. TCS=0 taught me to correctly ease into it. I have not properly considered steering input. You have correctly pointed out that I have simply applied full opposite lock. Similarly, I am learning when to lightly apply the brakes and more importantly ease out of full braking sooner rather than a later quick release. The game feedback helps with that. I have not figured out the steering input or the signals when I am doing it wrong. I expect that I need to turn up the volume and listen for tire squeal.

I have had decent success with trail braking and tune the BB only when I reach a level of skill whereby I can see the effect in lap times. I am not at the level for the Nord or Suzuka but am there for the Red Bull Ring and Fuji.

So, my takeaway is that
  1. I am going test with TCS=3 and drive such that I do not use any *red* on the gas pedal, and,
  2. Use less steering input,
  3. release the steering and apply gas at the apex - sooner that I do now.
In the end I plan to take what I learn and apply it to TCS=0. My general belief is that TCS=3 has a cost during the straights during gear changes and that cost is significant.

Will let you know how it goes.
 
@GOTMAXPOWER That was a bold move you just attempted on Super GT’s stream! That looked like a good race

Wanted to grind the N24 race tonight but
I can only deal with one 24H race a night, the concentration is exhausting my old brain
Started 4th with door 15 and finished 3rd in tonight’s race, no penalties and a clean race so I came out happy.

Next weeks race C looks.......interesting
 
Been running the Z4 at the ring for the week. Not the fastest but stable and predictable car for me. I have been happily surprised with drivers leaving room and not trying to make room where there isn't in race C. It's been a great fun if I don't push too hard and drive smoothly. I wish more tracks felt like the Nürburgring. Feeling all those pumps as you drive along lap after lap is great.
 
Little_Guppy
Similarly, I am learning when to lightly apply the brakes and more importantly ease out of full braking sooner rather than a later quick release. The game feedback helps with that. I have not figured out the steering input or the signals when I am doing it wrong. I expect that I need to turn up the volume and listen for tire squeal.
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Imagine the car front to back is a teeter totter. The center of the car is like the center of the teeter totter.
You brake hard the front squats weight shifts more pressure pushing down on the front. Less pressure pushing down on rear.
Conversely under acceleration it’s opposite the rear squats.
This relates strongly to your comment about how fast to release the brake for a given outcome you want.
Ross Bentley mentioned you can imagine the car balance as if the whole car was supported by s single point in its center undrrneath.
(Imagine a matchbox car balanced perfectly on a sharpened pencil point)
The rate of brake release for a given turn correlates to winding in steering input just as on exit unwinding of steering input corresponds to throttle addition.
A great car to goof around with is a BONe STOCK (NO TUNE!!!STOCK!!!)
Toyota 2000gt.
If you watch replays of yourself driving it you can see how important the balance is.
Tcs 3 for gr3 for fwd awd but not all cars.
The old Alpine n100 is a great drive too for practice...
I wish you the best as I parrot the great Ross Bentley lol. Again just relating how I like to play, just in case maybe someone might get an idea from it that helps them...
 
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Groundfish
Imagine the car front to back is a teeter totter. The center of the car is like the center of the teeter totter.
You brake hard the front squats weight shifts more pressure pushing down on the front. Less pressure pushing down on rear.
Conversely under acceleration it’s opposite the rear squats.
This relates strongly to your comment about how fast to release the brake for a given outcome you want.
Ross Bentley mentioned you can imagine the car balance as if the whole car was supported by s single point in its center undrrneath.
(Imagine a matchbox car balanced perfectly on a sharpened pencil point)
The rate of brake release for a given turn correlates to winding in steering input just as on exit unwinding of steering input corresponds to throttle addition.
A great car to goof around with is a BONe STOCK (NO TUNE!!!STOCK!!!)
Toyota 2000gt.
If you watch replays of yourself driving it you can see how important the balance is.
Tcs 3 for gr3 for fwd awd but not all cars.
The old Alpine n100 is a great drive too for practice...
I wish you the best as I parrot the great Ross Bentley lol. Again just relating how I like to play, just in case maybe someone might get an idea from it that helps them...
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Instead of another N24 I ran some QT laps while the circuit is still fresh.

My best QT of the week (Friday) on TCS=0 Friday and was 8:27.7.

I did four laps on TCS=3 and the second lap clocked in at 8:27.1, an improvement of six-tenths (Opt 8:24.3). I have not yet properly utilized TCS=3 as my muscle memory is making me lift in a few places. Now, I need to adjust for "too much speed" out of some places - a good and easy problem to have.

I wanted you to be wrong as my world picture would have been cleaner.

Even if there was no gain it would be a win as I get the increased insurance against spin outs.

More later. Need to start a race on TCS=3.
 
astrarobotica
N24h has been a lot of fun this week, but I've had a couple races where I'm right on someone going into the final straight and they try to slow down at the end of the right turn to let me through only so they can get the slipstream and take their place back. It's honestly just poor sportsmanship.

The only opportunity to pass before there is the narrow uphill section at Kesselchen, and it's all too easy for the car ahead to block someone from passing there. I get stuck behind slower cars there almost every race, and I just patiently sit behind them at about +0.3 seconds as they're barely in control of their car for 2-3 minutes, if they manage to stay on the track. On at least three occasions after sitting behind someone who was objectively slower, they let off the gas as soon as they get around to the start of the final straight, hoping that I'll go past them and they can take advantage of the slipstream and take the place back. I just slow down with them until they realize it's not going to work, pass them up the hill, and try to break the slipstream or block them if I have to. It's not clever or a smart strategy, it's just cheap.
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See, this is where people disagree. I see this move as tactical strategy rather than poor sportsmanship. It is testing awareness and whether you can adapt to the situation. You answered with the right move. I pull that maneuver and if they ease off to be behind me then I know I lost it as I won't be attempting any sort of dirty block or anything. Howeverif they blast on by then I know I have a chance. It also allows me a tactical defense rather than just accepting defeat or trying said moves to block.

Things also depend on the car. I was getting left behind while driving the lexus even if I was in slipstream so had to gamble on what moves I could take at the end in order to make a maneuver. In one instance I slowed to pick up the lambo draft in order to help me leapfrog a driver in an aston. Had I gotten the pull on the lambo I would have tried if I could make a clean pass, but felt the tactic was valid as I had no other option than to lose 1 spot, or work to gain another one while losing out.

All different driving styles.
 
DuNord
I think daily race qualification needs a look at from PD. Maybe reset everyone's times daily or something, because lapping all week just to get one miracle lap is not only misguiding but not always the most fun of affairs (Also I get that people do enjoy time trials, but there is a mode for that). I'd like there to be qualification before race like FIA, but I get that you're supposed to be able to jump right in to dailies.
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It could still be ghosting qualy for 5 minutes. Plus, some players don't qualy. It would be a good option.

Even if it's about jumping in straightaway to play, at some point, players choose to qualify or not. Wiping qualifying times each day, still works.
 
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