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I never use an FF just on principle. Use some 4WD and FR cars, even the odd MR. Not going to use FF just to win, it's just so boring.
Agreed. It's like driving a dunp truck. It's just a shame that group 4 races have to be avoided because the FF cars are so OP.
 
I might make an Asian acct then. Here in commie-fornia, I might be closer to the Asian server-thingee
I live in CA, and I have an Asian account. My connection is almost always 3 bars. Never had any problems with it. 👍
 
I raced a couple of C races from the back last night. My Q on my main is a 2:00.5, but that was a one off. My race pace is significantly slower, and even my Q pace is 1/2-1 second slower typically. I don't know how people are doing 57's. Anyway, my best race was P7 (up 11 spots) in an a-b room. Definitely a lot of guys doing the bump and pass. I can deal with the dirty air, and how much I have to back off due to that. Passing because of it is tough, but if you are close to a guy in front, and have a guy on your tail, that's when it's dangerous. Staying clean, that is almost a sure loss of position, since I would have to brake early and slow more to hold a line with dirty air, and they don't, so I get bumped and they go inside as I slide wide. Maybe I'll try the Audi. I was slower and less consistent in it on the 5-6 laps I tried in Q, but it does have quite a bit more top speed, so passing may be easier. I guess I'll see. Might even give one of the group C monsters a shot. I'll be the blocker in the twisties, and blast by people on the straights. I'll see what kind of laps I can get. Might be worth it, though SR may suffer if the corner speed pisses people off...
 
I raced a couple of C races from the back last night. My Q on my main is a 2:00.5, but that was a one off. My race pace is significantly slower, and even my Q pace is 1/2-1 second slower typically. I don't know how people are doing 57's. Anyway, my best race was P7 (up 11 spots) in an a-b room. Definitely a lot of guys doing the bump and pass. I can deal with the dirty air, and how much I have to back off due to that. Passing because of it is tough, but if you are close to a guy in front, and have a guy on your tail, that's when it's dangerous. Staying clean, that is almost a sure loss of position, since I would have to brake early and slow more to hold a line with dirty air, and they don't, so I get bumped and they go inside as I slide wide. Maybe I'll try the Audi. I was slower and less consistent in it on the 5-6 laps I tried in Q, but it does have quite a bit more top speed, so passing may be easier. I guess I'll see. Might even give one of the group C monsters a shot. I'll be the blocker in the twisties, and blast by people on the straights. I'll see what kind of laps I can get. Might be worth it, though SR may suffer if the corner speed pisses people off...
The Toyota is actually the easiest to pass in. The R18 does have better top speed, but after the first lap, its battery drains so quickly and recharges so slowly that it has no answer for the Toyota coming out of corners. If a Toyota is right behind you coming out of the bus stop, it can pretty much clear you before you even get to La Source, and it'll have better acceleration out of La Source too, so you probably won't be able to use the R18's better top speed to catch it by the end of the Kemmel Straight if it gets by you before La Source. You could definitely keep people behind you in the corners in a Group C car, but between corners the hybrids will just dart around you before the next braking zone.
 
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I've had two really amazing races recently, in one I finished P2 by .150 of a second, and the other had constant action and overtakes. Both have gone into the Recording bin.
My best QT with the TS050 was a 59.5, tried the Audi and I'm only down to 59.3 as of now. I know more is possible.
 
The Toyota is actually the easiest to pass in. The R18 does have better top speed, but after the first lap, its battery drains so quickly and recharges so slowly that it has no answer for the Toyota coming out of corners. If a Toyota is right behind you coming out of the bus stop, it can pretty much clear you before you even get to La Source, and it'll have better acceleration out of La Source too, so you probably won't be able to use the R18's better top speed to catch it by the end of the Kemmel Straight if it gets by you before La Source. You could definitely keep people behind you in the corners in a Group C car, but between corners the hybrids will just dart around you before the next braking zone.

You're spot on with this, but I've been struggling with the execution of it. In the Toyota, if I can catch the Audi between the bus stop and La Source and get a good exit, I'm gone. A sub-optimal exit or if its between La Source and Eau Rouge that I make the pass, then the Audi will take me again on the Kemmel Straight. If I'm close behind coming out of Raidillon their top speed cancels out any slip stream advantage.

I've seen one of the super fast guys running with no qualy time from the back in a Toyota setting up passes at Campus, but I'm not as brave as they are on the entry. So for me its either get them before La Source or try to stay close and force an error.
 
I raced a couple of C races <...snip...> Maybe I'll try the Audi. I was slower and less consistent in it on the 5-6 laps I tried in Q, but it does have quite a bit more top speed, so passing may be easier. <...snip...>

These are my notes for a fast QT Audi/Hybrid lap. The Hybrid requires some special attention to start a lap with a full charge *AND* have warm tires.
  1. Set the BB to +3/+4/+5 to encourage more trailbraking and hence regeneration. You need some green bar for each corner exit and the corner braking will supply that.
  2. Lap 1 is compromised because the tires are cold. That is normal for all QT sessions.
  3. All laps after lap 1 are compromised if you do not have a full charge to start the lap.
  4. You can get a full charge but you need to do *abnormal* things. On your outlap, starting from Campus/Staavalot experiment with 4th gear and/or gentle acc/lift/coast. I switched to cockpit view for the outlap so I could see the % recharge. You can reach 100% but you need to play with it.
  5. Then you have a full charge *AND* warm tires. This is your chance - go for it.
Other observations:
  1. The green bar always looks low on that Audi. It harvests upon braking for each corner. It is better to be full but does not need to be full to work. It is critical up to the top of fourth gear. It is not used after that.
  2. You will probably exhaust the charge by Blanchimont. I don't know what to do about that.
  3. @GT5Power suggested a bit of early light braking. It makes sense but I was not able to get it to work in a way that I could measure but it sounds like the right approach.
  4. The warm tires is probably worth about 0.5 seconds. If you do not have the patience for the recharge just use the first lap and then hit retry for your next retry. It is not worth starting a lap with no charge. It will cost you a minimum of 0.5s and closer to 1.0s.
I am an DR.B driver and have reached 1:91.1 and it beats my K-score for the week.
 
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I raced a couple of C races from the back last night. My Q on my main is a 2:00.5, but that was a one off. My race pace is significantly slower, and even my Q pace is 1/2-1 second slower typically. I don't know how people are doing 57's. Anyway, my best race was P7 (up 11 spots) in an a-b room. Definitely a lot of guys doing the bump and pass. I can deal with the dirty air, and how much I have to back off due to that. Passing because of it is tough, but if you are close to a guy in front, and have a guy on your tail, that's when it's dangerous. Staying clean, that is almost a sure loss of position, since I would have to brake early and slow more to hold a line with dirty air, and they don't, so I get bumped and they go inside as I slide wide. Maybe I'll try the Audi. I was slower and less consistent in it on the 5-6 laps I tried in Q, but it does have quite a bit more top speed, so passing may be easier. I guess I'll see. Might even give one of the group C monsters a shot. I'll be the blocker in the twisties, and blast by people on the straights. I'll see what kind of laps I can get. Might be worth it, though SR may suffer if the corner speed pisses people off...
C class is about 2-4 seconds slower than the hybrids per lap. If you want to try something with higher top speed I'd say the LM-55 Mazda or the Dodge Tomahawk. If you go with the Mazda rev it hard. The Dodge, short-shift by the gear indicator.
It's fun to try something different but the Toyota is the best actually.
 
C class is about 2-4 seconds slower than the hybrids per lap. If you want to try something with higher top speed I'd say the LM-55 Mazda or the Dodge Tomahawk. If you go with the Mazda rev it hard. The Dodge, short-shift by the gear indicator.
It's fun to try something different but the Toyota is the best actually.
I'll vouch for the Mazda too. And since it's full-time AWD (instead of part time like the hybrids), it's probably the most predictable Gr.1 car out there. It was my first Gr.1 car (gifted, not bought), and I used it to great effect in quite a few races (and grabbing a few wins) before finally caving and buying a TS050 during one of the FIA exhibition seasons. The AWD also means that while it's massively down on power for a few seconds due to not being a hybrid, it doesn't lose quite as much to the hybrids out of the corners as other Gr.1 cars do.
 
Agreed. It's like driving a dunp truck. It's just a shame that group 4 races have to be avoided because the FF cars are so OP.
Try the RC F. Beginning of the week, I started at the back and finished 6th in an A/S room. The FFs are faster entering turns, but the RC F is fast on corner exits and the straights.
 
C class is about 2-4 seconds slower than the hybrids per lap. If you want to try something with higher top speed I'd say the LM-55 Mazda or the Dodge Tomahawk. If you go with the Mazda rev it hard. The Dodge, short-shift by the gear indicator.
It's fun to try something different but the Toyota is the best actually.

I'll vouch for the Mazda too. And since it's full-time AWD (instead of part time like the hybrids), it's probably the most predictable Gr.1 car out there. It was my first Gr.1 car (gifted, not bought), and I used it to great effect in quite a few races (and grabbing a few wins) before finally caving and buying a TS050 during one of the FIA exhibition seasons. The AWD also means that while it's massively down on power for a few seconds due to not being a hybrid, it doesn't lose quite as much to the hybrids out of the corners as other Gr.1 cars do.

The Mazda LM55 has a top speed of about 330 kph and that is much faster than the hybrids (310 and 307 kph) but the overall lap is much slower. Presently, my QT time is 2.0 to 2.5 seconds slower than the Audi R18 '16. I could make it better but I am never going to get within 1.0 seconds.

Race observations:

The top speed of the Audi is slightly faster (3-5 kph) than the Toyota . This is based on watching the race replay of A and S type drivers. Overall, my view is that the Audi and not the Toyota is the META for this combo. The QTs are clearly faster (Top 10 board) and Audis are winning head-to-head races between quality drivers.
 
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The top speed of the Audi is slightly faster (3-5 kph) than the Toyota . This is based on watching the race replay of A and S type drivers. Overall, my view is that the Audi and not the Toyota is the META for this combo. The QTs are clearly faster (Top 10 board) and Audis are winning head-to-head races between quality drivers.

I don’t think the Audi has won a single race in any of the NA A/A+ lobbies I’ve been in this week (around 5-6 races at this point). This isn’t to mean it can’t be competitive of course, but you need to count on less-than-perfect exits by Toyotas to make overtakes. That isn’t something to count on.

edit: unless I’m driving the Toyota, lol
 
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@GT5Power suggested a bit of early light braking. It makes sense but I was not able to get it to work in a way that I could measure but it sounds like the right approach.
Keep in mind that light braking won't harvest anything if the battery is empty. If you drain it completely you have to do some extra braking between corners in S2, so that you recover a little and this technique can work again. Also, the exact point at which the car stops using hybrid is 250 km/h.

And on top speed, I don't know the exact km/h difference but I know for a fact that the Audi still pulls away from a Toyota when the Toyota is in the slipstream.

The Audi is the better car, but only if you make hybrid saving work. Driving it normally you can barely get sub 2 minute laps, with hybrid saving it can get down to mid 58s in race conditions.
 
The audi is unbeatable in good hands, I’ve observed most of fast lads with TS050 they can only manage 2.00 consistently in a race , you can get 59s if you get every sector right , but r18 they can do 1.58s all day , doubt if someone can do that with a yota,

I don’t think the Audi has won a single race in any of the NA A/A+ lobbies I’ve been in this week (around 5-6 races at this point). This isn’t to mean it can’t be competitive of course, but you need to count on less-than-perfect exits by Toyotas to make overtakes. That isn’t something to count on.

edit: unless I’m deciding the Toyota, lol
Bet We was fighting too hard for you to remember the audi won this one :D believe me i tried so hard in this one, they were fighting so hard and still they were doing 59s, the other race when the guy was in clean air he finished in 19.56,
 
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I forgot there were 2 version of the TS050...

When I remembered and purchased the 2016 model it was 3 seconds quicker than the 2012...down to to 2.02 now. I think 2.00 is possible for me once I get used to it. The battery on the old version is terrible, the 919 is better in that respect.
 
The audi is unbeatable in good hands, I’ve observed most of fast lads with TS050 they can only manage 2.00 consistently in a race , you can get 59s if you get every sector right , but r18 they can do 1.58s all day , doubt if someone can do that with a yota,

Bet We was fighting too hard for you to remember the audi won this one :D believe me i tried so hard in this one, they were fighting so hard and still they were doing 59s, the other race when the guy was in clean air he finished in 19.56,

Ah, you're right, I wasn't paying attention. Clean air is probably part of their success, too. GTFox started P1 and spun to end up behind us, and Dusty had lots and lots of clean air since I messed up La Source on the first lap. GTFox managed to get by both of us in one corner essentially while we were fighting, and had clean air for the rest of the race too.
 
Race B - now managed 4 wins in the Jag, one in the Viper and a 2nd place in the 458. With the Viper win, I was the only non TT car! Seems such a shame to have such a large selection of cars to choose from, yet only have one or two types in use. I'm hopelessly inconsistent in the TT and hate driving the thing. Might try everything else in the garage the rest of the week and see what happens..
 
Tried Race C last night. And one this afternoon. Gained DR in both. Good races but I'm nowhere near the front. Almost ran out of time in the 2nd race. :lol:

Still, can't believe I can drive these cars somewhat relaxed now. Way beyond what I thought when I started.

This livery sums up how I felt about these cars not so long ago. ;)

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Race B - now managed 4 wins in the Jag, one in the Viper and a 2nd place in the 458. With the Viper win, I was the only non TT car! Seems such a shame to have such a large selection of cars to choose from, yet only have one or two types in use. I'm hopelessly inconsistent in the TT and hate driving the thing. Might try everything else in the garage the rest of the week and see what happens..

the jag seems to be the best FR car to at least keep the FFs honest. I still have nothing for them in an all out drag race though. The TTs and RCZs are too much
 
I don’t think the Audi has won a single race in any of the NA A/A+ lobbies I’ve been in this week (around 5-6 races at this point). This isn’t to mean it can’t be competitive of course, but you need to count on less-than-perfect exits by Toyotas to make overtakes. That isn’t something to count on.

edit: unless I’m driving the Toyota, lol

My count is 3-0 Audi over the Toyota. I do not doubt your numbers. Is there a way to gather this sort of data? The sites are rich with all kinds of info but I have not run across this one.

Data miners out there? Any tips?
 
Not in the mood for yet another tt fest so tried spa. Once again, only group1 car I can drive is the fake Mazda.

Raced quite well with it but it is a weird feeling as I get absolutely annihilated on corner exit, just annihilated. But, I claw back half a second through blanchimont and nearly a second through eau rough into malmedy. So it is no slouch, really isn't.

Got my qualy time down to a 2.00.6, maybe can find another half second.

So a question, the tyres feel weird, lapn1 is low grip, then I gain grip then it plateaus, then I find grip around lap 6 then it plateaus again before tailing off lap 10. I definately seem to gain ground laps 5 through 10, tyre wear is minimal.
 
Tried Race C last night. And one this afternoon. Gained DR in both. Good races but I'm nowhere near the front. Almost ran out of time in the 2nd race. :lol:

Still, can't believe I can drive these cars somewhat relaxed now. Way beyond what I thought when I started.

This livery sums up how I felt about these cars not so long ago. ;)

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:lol::cheers:
 
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